TELECOM Digest Tue, 11 Jan 94 23:33:00 CST Volume 14 : Issue 25
Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson
Re: Possible Internet Service Scam (John R. Levine)
Re: Possible Internet Service Scam (Les Reeves)
Re: Possible Internet Service Scam (Bill Mayhew)
Re: Possible Internet Service Scam (Duncan Glendinning)
Re: Phone Phreakers Down South (Gary W. Sanders)
Re: Phone Phreakers Down South (Kriston Rehberg)
Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK? (John Temples)
Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK? (David Jones)
Re: Hayes' New Modem (Fred R. Goldstein)
Re: Hayes' New Modem (Charles Randall Yates)
Re: Radio Religion in Canada (Rich Wales)
Re: Radio Religion in Canada (Wm. Randolph U. Franklin)
Re: V.35 to RS-232 Conversions (
[email protected])
Re: FTP Site For EIA Standards (
[email protected])
Re: SprintNet Access From the Internet (Steven H. Lichter)
Re: Announcing networkMCI (Paul R. Coen)
Re: Post Cool Phone Numbers - Strange Recorded Info Services (Gib Henry)
Re: A Tale of Two Dialtones (Gordon Hlavenka)
Cold Temperatures (Thomas Lapp)
How To Download Files From Local Internet Access? (
[email protected])
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 15:21 EST
From:
[email protected] (John R Levine)
Subject: Re: Possible Internet Service Scam
Organization: I.E.C.C., Cambridge, Mass.
> In other words, IIA.ORG does NOT, at this time, exist.
The Internic thinks they do:
International Internet Association (IIA2-DOM)
30 South First Avenue
Highland Park, NJ 08904
Domain Name: IIA.ORG
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Bochicchio, Charleen (CB45)
[email protected]
+1 202 387 5445 (FAX) +1 202 387 5446
Record last updated on 01-Dec-93.
On the other hand, it is kind of odd that their mailing address is in
New Jersey, but their phone number is in Washington DC. Internic has
this address for their contact Ms. Bochicchio:
Bochicchio, Charleen (CB45)
[email protected]
International Discount Telecommunications Corp
294 State Street
Hackensack, NJ 07601
+1 202 387 5445 (FAX) +1 202 387 5446
When you look up ICM.COM, they are at the same address as IIA:
Intellicom (ICM-DOM)
30 South First Ave.
Highland Park, NJ 08904
Domain Name: ICM.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Kramer, Michael (MK30)
[email protected]
201-417-2166
Perhaps Mr. Kramer can shed some light on the situation.
Their requirement that you pay by credit card could be a legitimate
way for them to keep costs down, since bills can then be handled
entirely automatically, or might be bogus. I couldn't say. Let us
know if they ever call you back.
Regards,
John Levine,
[email protected],
[email protected],
[email protected]
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 12:29:24 PST
From: Les Reeves <
[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Possible Internet Service Scam
On Tue, 11 Jan 1994, John R Levine wrote:
> Perhaps Mr. Kramer can shed some light on the situation.
> Their requirement that you pay by credit card could be a legitimate way
> for them to keep costs down, since bills can then be handled entirely
> automatically, or might be bogus. I couldn't say. Let us know if they
> ever call you back.
By the time I forwarded this to TELECOM Digest, it was a third or
fourth generation forward. I probably should have made that a little
more obvious.
Your research is very interesting.
Have you considered sharing it with the author of the message?
Regards,
Les Reeves 404/874.7806
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From:
[email protected] (Bill Mayhew)
Subject: Re: Possible Internet Service Scam
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 23:23:53 GMT
Well, I did an MX entry check and found a record for iia.org pointing
to mary.iia.org, which indeed does exist. A telnet shows that it is a
SunOS system of some type. I didn't feel like doing a traceroute,
since it is not on this host, but a ping to that system takes 91 mS
from here in Rootstown. That probably indicates that mary.iia.org is
within a few states' distance of Ohio, so an east coast USA location
seems reasonable.
None the less, a demand for credit card number seems bogus to me and I
certainly would not agree to it.
Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department
Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511
[email protected] amateur radio 146.58: N8WED
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From:
[email protected] (Duncan Glendinning)
Subject: Re: Possible Internet Service Scam
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 02:26:54 GMT
> 3. They claim your E-mail address would be <userid>@iia.org. However:
> a. No iia.org is listed in the hq.af.mil hosts table
> b. No iia.org is listed in the acq.osd.mil hosts table
> c. No iia.org is listed is the INTERNIC 'whois' database
> d. No iia.org is listed using the INTERNIC 'netfind' Internet lookup
> In other words, IIA.ORG does NOT, at this time, exist.
They're registered somewhere:
Script started on Tue Jan 11 21:25:10 1994
{superior:1} nslookup
Default Server: alfred.ccs.carleton.ca
Address: 134.117.1.1
> set type=any
> iia.org
Server: alfred.ccs.carleton.ca
Address: 134.117.1.1
Non-authoritative answer:
iia.org nameserver = MARY.IIA.ORG
iia.org nameserver = NS.UU.NET
Authoritative answers can be found from:
MARY.IIA.ORG inet address = 198.4.75.9
NS.UU.NET inet address = 137.39.1.3
> server ns.uu.net
Default Server: ns.uu.net
Address: 137.39.1.3
> iia.org
Server: ns.uu.net
Address: 137.39.1.3
iia.org origin = mary.iia.org
mail addr = char.mary.iia.org
serial=2, refresh=10800, retry=3600, expire=604800, min=86400
iia.org nameserver = mary.iia.org
iia.org nameserver = ns.uu.net
iia.org preference = 10, mail exchanger = mary.iia.org
mary.iia.org inet address = 198.4.75.9
ns.uu.net inet address = 137.39.1.3
> exit
script done on Tue Jan 11 21:25:40 1994
Duncan Glendinning
[email protected]
Carleton University Ottawa, Ontario K1S 5B6
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From:
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 14:54:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Phone Phreakers Down South
Organization: AT&T
In article <
[email protected]>
[email protected] writes:
> Thought I'd pass this little story along ...
> Charlotte Observer, N.C.
> Knight-Ridder/Tribune Business News
> Jan. 7 -- Another Charlotte company has fallen victim to telephone
> hackers. Pic 'N Pay Stores Inc., the Charlotte-based shoe retailer,
> says it got stung for $17,000 by high-tech hijackers who got into the
> company's voice- mail and dialed anywhere they pleased.
> Pic 'N Pay filed suit last week against BellSouth Telecommunications
> Inc., parent of Southern Bell, which made and serviced the phone
> system in question.
Hmm, maybe I'll file suit against Ford the next time my car is stolen.
They made and serviced the car.
Gary W. Sanders (N8EMR)
[email protected]
AT&T Bell Labs 614.860.5965
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You might have a good case if Ford made
the claim to you that the car was 'theft proof' or 'could not be stolen
due to the way we have designed it ...' etc. It is alleged that AT&T
made this claim to the user of the phone system. Should the customer
have known better? Did the customer know better? What if Ford made
those claims to you and 'documented' their claim with some high-tech
sounding language that you as a typical consumer did not understand?
AT&T could easily avoid this kind of lawsuit if they would make certain
in writing that the purchaser of the equipment is aware of its flaws. PAT]
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Subject: Re: Phone Phreakers Down South
Reply-To:
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 10:25:03 EST
From: V2ENA81%
[email protected]
In-reply-to:
[email protected]'s message of Sat, 08 Jan 94 21:09:02 EST:
> Jan. 7 -- Another Charlotte company has fallen victim to telephone
> hackers. Pic 'N Pay Stores Inc., the Charlotte-based shoe retailer,
> says it got stung for $17,000 by high-tech hijackers who got into the
> company's voice-mail and dialed anywhere they pleased.
I am assuming that how is this done is to figure out people's voice
mail passwords and then use the transfer feature to get off-site.
However, on our voicemail system, you only have the option to transfer
to another on-site extension or off-site tie-line (within the
corporation, only), and not an actual local or long-distance telco
off-site line.
Are some PBX's just plain stupid in transfer restrictions, or am I
missing something here?
Kriston J. Rehberg Internet External :
[email protected]
Associate Programmer/Analyst FSC Internal RSCS :V2ENA81 AT OWEGO
ENSCO, Incorporated FSC Internal AFS :
[email protected]
Loral Federal Systems Co, Owego, NY Tel: 607-751-2180 :Tieline: 662-2180
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: There are probably various levels of security
with some users only allowed to transfer to other extensions while others
are allowed to make calls outside the system if desired. So often, there
has to be a compromise between security and user convenience. Then too,
sometimes the phreaks manage to get the root password (the code used
by the system administrator for system maintainence) and reconfigure the
system for themselves. Maybe it did not allow transfers to outside lines
until the phreaks worked it over using the root password for entry and
programmed it to start doing that.
I am reminded of the time that former Digest participant John Higdon
called me at home very late one evening on a three-way call with some
phreak phriend(s) of his on the line because they wanted to brag and
show me how 'someone' (the name(s) of the other person(s) on the line
were never given to me) had broken into and looted the voicemail system
of a certain long distance carrier which specializes in 900 service.
It seems 'someone' had gotten in via the root password and proceeded to
rephrase certain prompt messages, replacing what had been there with
lewd comments of their own about the carrier's pending bankruptcy. So
don't assume the sysadmin left that feature there. Phreaks could have
called one night and put it back in then run up quite a phone bill by
the time the proprietors found out what had happened. PAT]
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From:
[email protected] (John Temples)
Subject: Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK?
Date: 10 Jan 1994 19:45:45 +0300
Organization: Gulfnet Kuwait
> [ ... You need to match carrier with 800 number for this
> however; the carrier of the 800 number is the carrier who's 'home
> direct' service you need to connect with, *and not all of them will do
> this*, although I think AT&T and MCI will. PAT]
I just spoke to an AT&T USA Direct operator who told me that AT&T will
attempt to put through calls to any 800 number, regardless of whose
800 number it is. But the number must be "reachable on the AT&T
network." He specifically said AT&T does not have a policy of
blocking calls to 800 numbers on other carriers.
John W. Temples, III Gulfnet Kuwait
Phone: +965 242 6728 Fax: +965 242 6720
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From:
[email protected] (David Jones)
Subject: Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 15:10:37 -0500
In article <
[email protected]>
[email protected] (Mark Brader)
writes:
> Actually, in all of the foregoing, "USA" should read "USA and/or
> Canada, as appropriate for the particular number". Some 800-numbers
> in each country can be called from the other in the usual way. In
> fact, some can *only* be called from the other country.
Of course, there are ways for Canucks to make use of USA-only 800
numbers. If you work for BNR, you dial 6-1-800- ... from any phone.
If you live in Toronto, then ACC Long Distance Inc. will let you dial
US 800 numbers through their network for ten cents/min.
David Jones, M.A.Sc student, Electronics Group (VLSI), University of Toronto
email:
[email protected], finger for more info/PGP public key
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From:
[email protected] (Fred R. Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Hayes' New Modem
Date: 10 Jan 1994 05:41:34 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Littleton MA USA
In article <
[email protected]>
[email protected] (Jakob
Hummes) writes:
> ...But there is an absolute limit (Shannon's Law). The
> question was about the transmission over a *real* phone line. And that
> means there exists *noise*. The limit of bps is proportional to the
> logarithm of the signal to noise ratio. Unfortunately I don't remember
> the constant factors.
Shannon's law is, in plaintext,
BPS(max) = Bw * log(2)((1+S)/N)
That is, take the signal-to-noise ration (adding 1 to signal, so a
negative SNR has some information present) and represent it as a power
of 2. Multiply by bandwidth (in Hz) and you get BPS.
THus if you have a 30 dB (1000) signal to noise ratio, that's 1001/1
which is a smidgen under 2^10. If you have 3000 Hz usable bandwidth
that's the 10 times 3000, or around 30000 bps max.
It was often said that a phone line couldn't go beyond 26000 bps or
so, based on the typical bandwidth and SNR. Today a good clean line
is more likely to be digitally switched at 64000 bps, which is well
above the Shannon limit (digitization is lossy), but you still get a
theoretical limit closer to 40 kbps. Thus V.34, at 28.8 kbps, is
pushing the envelope, but still possible. But it won't work on a line
that's transcoded down to 32 kbps, or just plain noisy. Note the 300
to 3400 Hz nominal frequency range; the 3400 is a hard filter.
Fred R. Goldstein k1io
[email protected]
Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission
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From:
[email protected] (Charles Randall Yates)
Subject: Re: Hayes' New Modem
Date: 11 Jan 1994 03:34:36 GMT
Organization: University of South Florida
In article <
[email protected]>
[email protected] (ssatchell
on BIX) writes:
> Actually, if you really want to find out how the Hayes Optima 288 and
> the GDC V.F modems work, get Draft Recommendation V.34 ...
It's worth a look -- anyone know where this can be ftp'ed from?
Randy
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 22:57:55 EST
From:
[email protected] (Rich Wales)
Subject: Re: Radio Religion in Canada
Reply-To:
[email protected] (Rich Wales)
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Earlier, I mentioned that the CRTC (Canadian TV/radio regulatory
agency) had recently changed the long-time policy forbidding
"single-faith" religious stations in Canada.
I just saw a comment on USENET (talk.religion.misc) from someone in
the Vancouver area, reporting that an AM station there (formerly CHRX,
now CKBD) had changed format from "classic rock" to contemporary
Christian music.
I'll try to let TELECOM know if I hear of any more such stations up
here in Canada. In this area (Kitchener-Waterloo, west of Toronto),
the closest such station right now is WDCX in Buffalo, which doesn't
really come in very well this far away.
Rich Wales (VE3HKZ, WA6SGA/VE3) Mortice Kern Systems Inc.
[email protected] 35 King Street North
+1 (519) 884-2251 Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2J 2W9
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From:
[email protected] (Wm. Randolph U Franklin)
Subject: Re: Radio Religion in Canada
Date: 11 Jan 1994 21:22:21 GMT
Organization: ECSE Dept, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY, 12180 USA
Reply-To:
[email protected] (Wm. Randolph U Franklin)
Canada didn't need all-religious radio stations in the past so much
since normal stations would broadcast so much religious programming.
I grew up (in Ottawa) listening to Ernest C. Manning's weekly "Canada
Bible Hour" (or some such title). Manning was the Social Credit
Premier of Alberta at the time. How many American state Governors
have longtime nationwide religious programs?
Side notes for Murricans: The Social Credit party started in the
depression with the theme that if the government printed money and
handed it out then the depression would end. EC Manning's son is
Preston Manning, leader of the third largest party in Parliament now.
He attracts a lot of invective from opponents of his right-wing
pro-English politics.
Wm. Randolph Franklin,
[email protected], (518) 276-6077; Fax: -6261
ECSE Dept., 6026 JEC, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy NY, 12180 USA
[TELECOM Digest Moderator's Note: As another side note, my earlier
message on this thread right at the end of the year used the past-tense
in saying that the CBS Radio Network carried "Music and the Spoken Word"
for over forty years which originated with station KSL in Salt Lake City,
Utah. A few different people wrote to point out that the weekly show,
a/k/a the Mormon Tabernacle Choir is still sending out the weekly broad-
cast via KSL. WBBM, the CBS affiliate here hasn't carried the show for
thirty years! Sometime in the middle 1960's they dropped it and it was
picked up by WCLR in Skokie which coincidentally (or maybe not so coin-
cidentally) is a radio station owned by the Bonneville Corporation, a
corporation wholly owned by the LDS Church. Whether 'Double-You Clear'
as they call themselves is still carrying it is anyone's guess, as I
am not usually awake at 8 AM on Sunday. PAT]
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From:
[email protected] (ssatchell on BIX)
Subject: Re: V.35 to RS-232 Conversions
Date: 11 Jan 94 18:44:36 GMT
Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation
The V.35 interface is described in the Red Book. The entire section
about V.35 was removed from the Blue Book, and all attempts I've made
to obtain this information has met with roadblocks.
If you can find someone who has a copy of the Red (or Orange) book,
you can get this information.
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From:
[email protected] (ssatchell on BIX)
Subject: Re: FTP Site For EIA Standards
Date: 8 Jan 94 18:48:00 GMT
Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation
[email protected] (Rob McConnell) writes:
> Does anyone know the whereabouts of an FTP site for EIA standards,
> specifically EIA IS-60?
Currently, I know of no FTP site for EIA or TIA documents. They want
you to buy them from Global Engineering Documents. With money.
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From:
[email protected] (Steven H. Lichter)
Subject: Re: SprintNet Access From the Internet
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria, B.C.
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 20:43:25 GMT
If you have SprintNet access type C CRIS at the @ prompt. This will
put you onto an information BBS which offers a service like you want.
The cost is not free, but a lot less then some services.
-=- Sysop: Apple Elite II -=- an Ogg-Net Hub BBS
(909) 359-5338 12/24/96/14.4 V32/V42bis Via PCP CACOL/12/24
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 22:55:04 EST
From: Paul R. Coen <
[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Announcing networkMCI
Organization: Drew University Academic Technology
> Is that what the MCI TV commercials with the little girl with the
> pseudo-[B]ritish accent standing in a puddle spouting existential
> gibberish are all about?
Is it a girl? I thought it was a boy. Then again, I didn't look very
closely. All I noticed was an overly-perfect child dressed in weird
black clothes and a really ghastly hat. And the kid sounded like one
of the brats from _Mary Poppins_.
> And I thought they were just trying to finally beat AT&T for the worst
> imaginable ad campaign :-)
You know, I felt like I was watching some sort of weird one act play
that I didn't understand. Then again, considering that I *still*
don't understand what "networkMCI" is besides a new name for stuff
they already have, maybe that's okay. Does someone want to take a
stab at explaining it?
Maybe they blew the fiscal year's budget for ads on that commercial
with everyone from "Star Trek," and they're going low budget :)
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From:
[email protected] (Gib Henry)
Subject: Re: Post Cool Phone Numbers - Strange Recorded Info Services
Organization: Community_News_Service
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 15:06:05 GMT
In article <
[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Feedlebom)
wrote:
Here's another dial-a-joke number (try overnight, after 6 p.m. until 6
a.m.): 1-404-REQUEST.
Gib Henry
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From:
[email protected] (gordon hlavenka)
Subject: Re: A Tale of Two Dialtones
Organization: Vpnet - Your FREE link to the Internet (708)833-8126
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 22:06:07 GMT
> This is what happened: in ordering the new service, the phone company
> put the new service on the original number, and put our old service on
> the new line!
Well, I have only two lines, and Illinois Bell managed to screw even
_that_ up...
When we moved to our new home, we ordered both lines at the same time.
But because one is a residential line and the other is a business line
they were installed at different times. The residential line went in
first, and worked just fine. Two days later, the business line went
in. But they wired the business line to the residential circuits, and
_disconnected_ the residential line altogether! Calls to the
residential line were RNA.
I don't get it; they had to add a new drop for the business circuit,
so they must have known there were supposed to be two lines working.
I called and raised whatfor, and FWIW they were back within an hour
and put things right.
Gordon S. Hlavenka
[email protected]
Proud father of Daniel Scott born August 9, 1993
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 08:32:22 EST
From: Thomas Lapp <thomas%
[email protected]>
Subject: Cold Temperatures
Pat, you complained of the temps being below zero in Chicago the next
few days. Well, someplace it is always worse.
In the Philadelphia/Delaware Valley area, we had freezing rain wich
put 1/4 inch or more of ice on trees, power and phone lines, hanging
traffic lights, etc. Philadelphia Electric reported 500,000 consumers
out of power, with half of them not getting power back for up to 48
hours. 160 crews from outside PECO service area were coming in to
help them out. While you sit in your home, there are a goodly number
of folks who had to leave their homes because they have no power to
heat the home. I'd also not enjoy being one of the utility folks who
had to work a full shift last night repairing lines with temperatures
in the teens.
Brrr.
tom
internet :
[email protected] or thomas%
[email protected] (home)
Location : Newark, DE, USA
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Next thing you know, I'll be printing
messages from you here telling me I should be grateful for what I have
and not complaining so much ... :) I believe outside utility workers
are worth every nickle they are paid and then some. Christmas Eve, 1983:
record cold temperatures here ... the temperature dropped to 29 *below
zero* early Christmas Eve and did not go above zero again for three days.
On Christmas, the *high* temperature for the day was something obscene
like minus ten degrees. Despite conditions as they were, three friends
and myself decided to have our holiday dinner downtown at Berghoff's.
On the corner of State and Adams, a big excavation in the street with
a truck parked there from the Municipal Water Works. The excavation
area was blocked off by street barricades and a trash barrel sitting
nearby had been set afire, with three men standing there around the
fire warming themselves. In the hole in the street, at least fifteen
feet below down into the ground was this black, muddy, gunky looking
water swirling around rapidly and therein stood two men in hip boots
with water halfway up to their posterior with tools doing their thing
to replace an obviously quite broken underground water pipe. Despite
the ten or fifteen below zero or whatever -- it had gotten so cold it
no longer mattered -- I was fascinated by this and stood there a minute
or so peering down into the hole at those two guys, the water swirling
around everywhere and them banging away and digging, etc ... Christmas
Day in downtown Chicago.
One of the men standing by the barrel of burning trash was the
foreman; he saw me and said jokingly, "Would you like to give it a go,
sir? I've got a tool here for you that's about the right size ... when
they come up, you can go on down a bit and see what you think ..." I
asked him what those guys got paid and his answer was that 'normally'
they get seventeen dollars per hour, ".... but today being Christmas
they get *double time and a half* ... and for reasons of safety the
union requires two men on the job to look out for each other, so that
one doesn't fall down and drown, or have it all cave in him, you know?
... ". The two who had been in the hole apparently got the water flow
shut off about that time and climbed up to the street and headed right
to the fire to warm themselves. They passed among themselves a bottle
which did not appear to contain iced tea and the foreman invited me to
share with them but I declined and went inside Berghoff's to join my
friends. When we came out nearly two hours later full of turkey and
stuffings and a few drinks of our own, all five of the water works
crew were down in the hole installing a new section of pipe, slopping
around through the now nearly frozen mud. Outside utility workers are
marvelous people. Does anyone remember when the two AT&T workers were
killed in an accident in the Rocky Mountains in January several years
ago? They had volunteered to go out to a very desolate area and
replace a downed aerial cable that provided telephone service to a
little town. Due to very icy, very hazardous conditions their vehicle
skidded and overturned; they were killed. It happens, and it t'aint
funny. PAT]
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From:
[email protected]
Subject: How To Download Files From local Internet Access?
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 05:33:57 EST
Organization: Delphi Internet
I recently got access to the internet at my local school. I'm pretty
new to the Internet and Unix but I managed to FTP some files into my
directory at the local site. Now I need someone to tell me how to get
the files from the computer at school to my computer at home. I would
appreciate if some of you experienced Internet users could help me
with the correct information.
Please send mail to
[email protected] first or
[email protected].
Thank you,
Steve
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The above message was recieved from
this new user and perhaps one or more of the regular readers will
write him and try to help him resolve his problem. Thanks! PAT]
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