TELECOM Digest     Fri, 25 Feb 94 13:13:00 CST    Volume 14 : Issue 105

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

   Re: 1-900 as a State Moneymaker (Les Reeves)
   Re: 1-900 as a State Moneymaker (Dale Worley)
   Re: Area Code Closeness (Carl Moore)
   Re: Area Code Closeness (Michael King)
   Re: Area Code Closeness (Mike King)
   Area Code Listings (Bill Turini)
   Re: Paging Available on Cellular Phones ([email protected])
   Re: Paging Available on Cellular Phones (Monty Solomon)
   Re: It's Impossible, Isn't It? ([email protected])
   Re: Digital Cellular Phone Review (Ronald Oakes)
   Re: Program For Microwave Radio Links (Richard Masoner)
   Re: How to Expand the Range of Cordless? (Willie Smith)
   Re: Shortage of Prefixes in 800? (John R. Levine)
   Re: Program For Microwave Radio Links (Sun Outages) (Barry Lustig)
   Re: "Convenience Calls" on Phone Bill (John J. Butz)
   Re: Need Information about Telemate (Brian Leyton)
   Re: Caller-ID Question (Ben Williams)
   Re: Answering Machine Accepting Collect Calls (Monty Solomon)

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From: [email protected] (Les Reeves)
Subject: Re: 1-900 as a State Moneymaker
Date: 24 Feb 1994 09:05:13 -0800
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060  [login: guest]


> Here's a new way for state government to separate more cash from your
> wallet.  Heard on the news today that Missouri state government has
> started a 1-900 number for businesses to find the provider of the
> lowest-cost workers' compensation insurance.  They are charging $1
> /min, with $.45-.55 to go to the state general revenue fund.

> Just a new method to rob people for information they should be
> providing free as a public service.

Several years ago I installed a channel bank for the US Office of
Personnel Management's job line 900 service.  It was a menu-driven
voice information system to provide up to date info on job availability
within parts of the federal government.  The cost was the lowest I have
ever seen on any 900 service; 40 cents per minute.  They told me they
selected a per-minute rate that would just cover the cost of the access
from MCI.


Les  [email protected]       Atlanta,GA

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From: [email protected] (Dale Worley)
Subject: Re: 1-900 as a State Moneymaker
Date: 24 Feb 1994 12:52:00 -0500
Organization: Village of Cambridge, Public-Access Internet


> Heard on the news today that Missouri state government has
> started a 1-900 number for businesses to find the provider of the
> lowest-cost workers' compensation insurance.  They are charging $1
> /min, with $.45-.55 to go to the state general revenue fund.

Sounds like a great deal, since finding a good workmens' compensation
company can save you thousands a year.

> Just a new method to rob people for information they should be
> providing free as a public service.

Eh?  Providing the names, addresses, and rates of insurance companies has
never been a job of the state government, to my knowledge.  That's what
you have insurance agents for!


Dale

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 9:23:13 EST
From: Carl Moore <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Area Code Closeness


[email protected] (Robert Casey) writes:

> with geographically close areas.  Especially in the same state.  "was
> that area code 402 or 403 for Yerksville, South Dakota, Can't remember
> which my friend said", vs. if the two area codes are much different,
> "he said 70 something, lets see, that has to be 702 according to the
> phone book map".

402 is in Nebraska, 403 in Alberta/Yukon/NW Territory in Canada,
701 in North Dakota, 702 in Nevada, 605 in South Dakota.

TELECOM Digest Editor writes about extreme northwestern Indiana:

> Then one day they announced that the little northwest corner had a
> choice: either they could begin dialing 312 to reach Chicago, or 1+7
> digits to reach elsewhere in the northern Indiana 219 area. Telco made
> the choice to go with the latter leaving Hammond/Whiting, etc hooked
> to Chicago for calling purposes.  With the change in telcos in the
> late 1970's (northwest Indiana was taken away from Illinois Bell and
> turned over to Indiana Bell) the requirement of dialing not just 312,
> but 1-312 (!) to reach Chicago was added, and the 1+7D for the rest of
> 219 was dropped.  PAT]

Just how far could one dial from that northwestern corner into the
rest of 219 with just seven digits?  And what did this corner have for
long distance within 219 when it was announced that Indiana would be
going to 1 + NPA + 7D for long distance within area code (in
preparation for the NNX area codes)?

TELECOM Digest Editor writes about the 659 prefix:

>That is, '659' showed up in Whiting, Indiana. It did not show
>up in 312, 815 (since a tiny bit of the south end of 815 touches 219)
>nor in 317 nor in 216.

South end of 815 touches 219?  If you are referring to southernmost
part of border between 815 and Indiana, then all of the 815/Indiana
border touches 219.

And where do you get 216 from?  That's in northeastern Ohio, including
Cleveland.


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Going south along the Illinois/Indiana
state line, once the old 312 (now 708) area ended and 815 began, it
is just a short distance further going south on the Indiana side that
219 ends and 317 begins. That's what I meant to say; that mostly 219
borders (then 312; now) a tiny bit of 312 and some of 708) but at the
southwestern end of 219 some of 815 comes up there to the state line
also. I guess it is relative to how much is 'some' and 'a little'.
Going east, 219 runs all the way across northern Indiana to the border
with Ohio where it touches 216. At the same time across the northern
edge of 219 by Michigan City, IN and South Bend it touches 616.

Trivia comment/question: What places have *three* different area codes
as part of their local calling area? For one, the Chicago-Mitchell CO
has local service into 312/708/219. Whiting gets local service into
219/708/312. Hammond does not get any local service into 312. I think
maybe Beecher, IL gets local service into 708/815/219. There are others
like this. What community in the USA gets local service into four area
codes? There is one such place. By 'local', I mean no toll charges even
though 1 + AC + 7D dialing is required.  What places get 'local' service
even though two different countries are involved as well as two area
codes?   PAT]

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From: [email protected] (Michael King)
Subject: Re: Area Code Closeness
Date: 24 Feb 1994 15:30:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)


Pat:

You essentially have the Hammond/Whiting/Munster dialing situation set
right.  Here in Gary, we always dialed Chicago as a 1-312 number.  On
the other hand, we have never dialed the remainder of the 219 area as
7D.  We have always dialed it as 1 + 7D (once you were outside the
local calling area).  Of course now, it is dialed as 1 + 219 + 7D.

The one thing that I never understood was why we (NW Indiana) were
under Illinois Bell prior to 1978.


Michael H. King  Latitude Group, Ltd.  Gary, IN
Computer/Small Business Consultant Freelance Writer/Announcer


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Mr. William Gary's company town (Mr. Gary
was the president of US Steel around the start of this century; Gary was
founded and owned by the Gary Municipal Corporation, a wholly-owned
subsidiary of US Steel until the early 1920's) was more closely related
to Chicago than to the rest of Indiana. Ditto George Hammond's meat-
processing operation and John Rockefeller's gasoline and oil refinery.
All these firms had offices in Chicago, as did the other industrial
giants in the cluster there including Inland Steel, Sinclair (Arco) Oil
Company, Union Carbide and others.

*Heavily* industrialized, (for example, Whiting is permeated with the
oil refinery; you can walk around town for blocks at a time on the
east side and see nothing but storage tanks full of black looking
gunk, railroad cars, smoldering caldrons with fire shooting out of them;
the fumes can be incredibly awful some days, etc; and I don't have to
tell *you* about the north end of the Gary/Indiana Harbor area exactly
on the shore of Lake Michigan) northwest Indiana was the place where
these guys wanted their work done. They had the convenience of Chicago
few miles away, all the railroads and the inexpensive shipping which
could be done via barges on the lake and the connection to the
Mississipi River via the Calumet River, the canal and the Chicago
River downtown. Mr. Gary had his one plant on the far south side of
Chicago (what we years ago called South Works) right on the edge of
Lake Michigan, and the ease of transporting stuff by barge across the
lake to Gary Works made it very appealing.  Mr. Ryerson (owner of
Inland Steel) found Indiana Harbor -- a little slice of life
situated between Gary on the east, Whiting on the west and East
Chicago, Indiana on the south -- a good deal for the same reason.
Hauling their stuff by boat through the lake made good sense.

When telephones were relatively a new thing in the early 1900's, all
the big boys wanted the new-fangled invention connected from their
offices in Chicago to their steel mills, refineries and meat-processing
plants along the southern edge of Lake Michigan, and the telco here at
the time, known as 'Chicago Telephone Company' gladly accomodated
them. When Illinois Bell Telephone Company was started about 1925 as a
result of AT&T making an aggressive (and some maintain, illegal)
effort to purchase Chicago Tel, northern Indiana went along as part of
what they purchased. So, having Illinois Bell there rather than Indiana
Bell was mostly due to the history of the area.

Now why don't you ask me why Gary phones are 219-882/883/884/885/886/887?
Well, you see, '88' is also 'TU' as in TUrner, and Mr. Turner was somebody
who was somebody in Gary long ago. Not content with one exchange, when
Gary went dial in about 1955 or so, IBT honored him by making every phone
in town into either TUrner-2, TUrner-3, TUrner-4, TUrner-5, TUrner-6 or
TUrner-7. I think he had early involvement with Gary Works. Sometime around
1920, the US Supreme Court said US Steel had to divest itself of the Gary
Municipal Corporation; that was the end of the company town. In the 1970's
as you know, 'big steel' went down the tubes in the USA and that was the end
of Gary, period. Today sadly, Gary is mostly boarded up houses and store-
fronts; there is no 'downtown' any longer; and hasn't been for twenty years
just like Hammond to the east. The steel mills are closed and the refineries
are mostly gone. You made a valiant effort at revival with the Gary
Convention Center; if it were anywhere else it would be a great place.
Too bad they did not build it about 1920-30 during Gary's heyday. Since
your .sig identifies you as a 'writer/announcer' do you write for the
{Gary Post-Tribune} or announce on WWCA, 1270 AM?  (WWCA = Working With
the Calumet Area), Gary's local radio station.)   PAT]

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From: [email protected] (Mike King)
Subject: Re: Area Code Closeness
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 14:57:43 PST


In TELECOM Digest V14 #101, [email protected] (Robert Casey) wrote:

> I had thought/heard that the semi-random distribution of area codes in
> the USA was done to avoid confusion of numberically close area codes
 [...]

> Phone companies tend to do the same thing with phone exchanges inside
> the same area codes.

I haven't seen it in many other places, but Dayton and Columbus, OH,
both tend to group their prefixes into the same exchanges.  For
example, in Dayton, 220/2-9 are in the same exchange, as are
233/5/6/7, 252-9, 274-9, 293-4/6-9, 433-6/8-9, etc.

I always assumed they arose from the old 2L + 5D scheme, and they were
consecutive prefixes from the same switch name; i.e., BAker 2, BAker 3,
etc.


Mike King    [email protected]


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: By coincidence, it appears we have two
persons named 'Mike King' in this issue, but the first one is Michael
rather than Mike. At least I assume it is two different people; the
net addresses are different. Yes, it messed me up at first in my
editing of this issue also. Both responding on the same thread, yet!  PAT]

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From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 09:08:10 EST
Reply-To: Bill Turini <[email protected]>
Subject: Area Code Listings


I have been using a listing of area codes that was included in the
CD-ROM QRZ! Ham Radio and appreciate the work that has gone into it.

Is there an updated list that contains the new area codes that went
into effect in December?


Thanks,

Bill Turini  KA4GAV                Phone:      810.825.8810
Computer Sciences Corporation        FAX:      810.825.8764
MZ 435-02-33
6000 E. 17 Mile Rd.             Internet:   [email protected]
Sterling Heights, MI  48313   Compuserve:         73741,455


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Check out the Telecom Archives. We have
a very complete list of area codes there. Either use the Email Information
Service or use anonymous ftp lcs.mit.edu and when connected then
'cd telecom-archives/areacodes'.   PAT]

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 05:59:03 -0800
From: [email protected] (puma)
Subject: Re: Paging Available on Cellular Phones


In article <[email protected]> [email protected]
(Robert Wilson) writes:

> The Fujitsu PCX cellphone has a voice chip which when the unit is set
> to pager mode will answer the incoming call, tell the party you are
> unable to come to the phone, and logs up to five numbers.

This feature, since it's internal to the phone, is totally independent
of the carrier.  It also counts as an answered call, and you pay
airtime for the time it takes the caller to listen to the synthesized
message and touchtone his number.

I had the impression from some earlier messages here and elsewhere
that some carrier was offering a feature that would cause the caller's
number to appear on the phone's display for unanswered calls, or
perhaps similar to a Caller-ID display, so you could choose to answer
a call or not, or allow it to forward-no-answer to voicemail.  If
anyone knows anything further on that, I would be interested in
hearing about it.  Do any cellular carriers offer call-return?  (ie.,
*xx calls back the last party who called you, answered or not.)


[email protected]

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From: Monty Solomon <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Paging Available on Cellular Phones
Reply-To: Monty Solomon <[email protected]>
Organization: Roscom
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 07:43:00 GMT


In article <[email protected]> [email protected]
(Anthony Hegedus) writes:

> Do you mean that the person you're talking to on your mobile can, by
> pressing buttons on *his* phone, cause *your* phone to dial someone
> else? or have I misunderstood?

Yes.  You can ask the person you are speaking with to enter a phone
number into the cell phone's scratchpad memory by pressing keys on his
tone phone and to then optionally cause the current call to be
disconnected and for the phone to place a call to the just transmitted
number.


Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA  01701-0405  [email protected]

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 06:19:09 -0800
From: [email protected] (puma)
Subject: Re: It's Impossible, Isn't It?


In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:

> I have several lines and while talking on line line, which is hooked
> up to a fax machine and a phone (distinctly seperate stations), the
> phone integrated into the fax machine began to ring. then, right on
> que, the fax machine answered and my conversation was obliterated by
> fax tones The line has no special features such call waiting or three
> way calling.  It does however recieve from a remote call forwarding
> source, but I can't see how RCF would have any involvement.

Does your phone/fax have a feature whereby if you had answered a fax
call on another phone on the same line, you can bring the fax online
with a touchtone digit?  If so, it's possible that your voice conversation
triggered it accidently.

Or, does the phone/fax, under the same circumstances, listen silently
for the CNG (calling) tone of a fax?  Again, it might have thought it
heard one.

If none of the above, it could always have been a voltage spike on the
power or static electricity, or goblins <grin> - did it only happen
once?  If it continues, I would start with a good quality surge/noise/
protecting power strip.  If it still occurs, maybe it's time for the
repair shop.


[email protected]

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 09:00:20 CST
From: [email protected] (Ronald Oakes)
Subject: Re: Digital Cellular Phone Review
Organization: Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Group


In article <[email protected]> [email protected]
(Martin McCormic) writes:

> If someone had an audio amplifier near an analog cellular phone or
> UHF transmitter, the speaker would probably pop when the transmitter
> went on and off, but there would be no other sound while it was
> transmitting.

I can confirm that this will, and does, happen.  I have a bag phone,
placed next to the transfer case controller on the floor of my S-10
Blazer, so that the antenna sits right next to my car radio.  I can
always tell when my phone registers and when I am about to receive a
call by the distinctive POP that comes out when listinging to a tape.
If I am listening to the radio, a registration is not as obvious, but
the extra transmissions when acknowledging a page and getting ready to
ring will cause noticeable interference with the radio.


Ronald B. Oakes

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From: [email protected] (Richard Masoner)
Subject: Re: Program For Microwave Radio Links
Organization: Central Data Corp., Champaign, IL
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 16:32:57 GMT


Regarding solar interference, this kind of interesting tidbit is
regularly posted to sci.space.news:

>                 DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

>                                22 FEBRUARY, 1994

Along with lots of incomprehensible (to me) data on "Electron
Fluence," "polar cap absorption," etc.  An English summary then talks
about possible satellite blackouts and such.  Hope this helps.


Richard F. Masoner    Central Data Corporation

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From: [email protected] (Willie Smith)
Subject: Re: How to Expand the Range of Cordless?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 17:40:10 GMT


In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:

> Can anyone tell me how far the power can be boosted for a cordless
> phone system, if it is modified at its best?

Given infinite resources, you could get any amount of power you want,
just keep adding amplifiers ... practical limits are probably around
a megawatt.

> (Assuming there is no FCC or any government regulation as far as the
> power of the signal, how far can the signal be sent without much loss
> of power.)

Probably not much more than a couple of AU with current technology.
Say 15 to 20 light-minutes, though two-way conversations become
difficult with more than a couple of hundred milliseconds delay.

> And what could be the best way for such modification?

Add a duplexer to split the transmit and receive paths (or get into
the RF sections ahead of the combiner).  Add power amplifiers, decent
feedline, and a well-placed high-gain antenna to the transmit side.
Add a high-gain antenna, good low-noise preamps, and good feedline to
the receive path.  If you match the transmit and recieve gains the
handset and base ought to be able to hear each other equally well.


Willie Smith [email protected]  [email protected]


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But that has been the catch all along,
hasn't it? *How* do you get the handset power increased to the point
that any modifications you made to the base are reciprocal?  PAT]

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 12:30 EST
From: [email protected] (John R Levine)
Subject: Re: Shortage of Prefixes in 800?
Organization: I.E.C.C., Cambridge, Mass.


> I don't believe any "local switches" are not capable of handling
> 1xx and 0xx office codes in a ten-digit number.

My cousins who run a small telco in Vermont tell me that when AT&T
brought in direct trunks a few years ago, they specifically asked them
to program their local switch to reject dialed numbers of the form
N0X-1XX-XXXX and N0X-0XX-XXXX.  They weren't eager, since it made the
tables about ten times as big, but that's what your employer wanted.

I realize that there are non-dialable 1XX and 0XX numbers, but that's
a separate issue.

> I was not aware any "local switches" blocked such inter-NPA calls.
> Obviously, until the NPA 213 switches were populated with information
> for routing seven-digit N0X/N1X numbers, they would fail to route
> them.  You sure it wasn't PBXs blocking calls?

Lots of local switches blocked calls to 213-N0X until the programming
was fixed.  Evidently the rule is to block invalid numbers as early as
possible.


Regards,

John Levine, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]

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Reply-To: Barry x24904/ER/167B-TED <[email protected]>
From: [email protected] (Barry x24904/ER/167B-TED)
Subject: Re: Program For Microwave Radio Links (sun outages)
Organization: Eastman Chemical Company
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 23:35:47 GMT


I just ran across this program on oak.oakland.edu and remembered the
request here.  Unfortunately I could not find the original article to
email the information to poster so I thought I would post it in case
others might be interested too.


73,

Barry L. Ornitz  WA4VZQ  [email protected]

oak.oakland.edu  (141.210.10.117)

                   ====================

Directory pub/msdos/satelite/
Filename   Type Length   Date   Description

sunou332.zip  B   48551  930322  Calculate sun outages for satellite receivers

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 18:52:54 EST
From: [email protected] (John J Butz)
Subject: Re: "Convenience Calls" on Phone Bill


> charged $10.03 for a 59-minute call from Ithaca, NY to New York, NY,

My brother, a student at Cornell called me at work in NJ from an
on-campus phone recently.  My work phone is ISDN and receives calling
number information.  Normally, a long distance call received on my
ISDN set is announced with an "INCOMING CALL" message, but my
brother's call said "201-something or another."

"That's odd," I thought, so I asked Jimbo what the hell he was doing
in such a great place like New Jersey?  "I'm not!" he quickly replied
and when I called the number on the display back in disbelief, I got
the Cornell operator.

Ah!!!  The call was on an FX line and the Cornell operator informed me
that the University has multiple FX lines throughout the nation.
Might this have anything to do with the call price?  Actually, aren't
FX lines billed to the FX subscriber by the local service provider, in
this case NYNEX?


J Butz   [email protected]   AT&T - CCS

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Date: 24 Feb 94 19:01:09 EST
From: Brian Leyton <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Need Information About Telemate


In a reply to The Network Group ([email protected]), Sean Peacock
([email protected]) posted an information file on Telemate.  I too
was interested in Telemate, so I went looking around on CI$.  It
appears that there are (at least) two packages going by the name
Telemate.  The one referred to by Sean is a terminal emulation
package, while I believe that the one of interest here is a different
one.  This Telemate is a call accounting package with various fraud
fighting add-ons:

Complementary Solutions Inc. (CSI), headquartered in Atlanta,
develops, markets and supports TELEMATE. Currently, there are more
than 3,000 TELEMATE users worldwide.  For more information, contact
CSI at (404) 454-8033.

CSI also has a section in the PCVEND forum on CI$.


Brian Leyton   [email protected]

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From: [email protected] (Ben Williams)
Subject: Re: Caller-ID Question
Date: 25 Feb 1994 09:02:50 -0500
Organization: University of Delaware


In article <[email protected]>, Jack Coats <jocoats@amoco.
com> wrote:

> There was an article in one of the popular electronics type magazines
> (check your local library) in the last couple of months on how to
> build your own caller-id display machine.  It would be easy to modify
> it (it uses a PIC micro processor) to have a serial output instead or
> also, that could feed your PC or whatever.  The data, if I remember
> right, is 1200 baud.  You can get a couple of codes other than just
> the number too.  One is if you are out of the area where the codes are
> available (seems silly to me, if the phone company can figure out how
> to charge collect calls), and another code if the caller has the
> Caller-ID blocked.

This was in the February issue of {Electronics Now} (was Radio
Electronics up to a while ago).  I have been waiting for something
like this for a long time, as I am interested in using Called-ID.
However, one of the reasons I was waiting for a do-it-yourself thing
like they have in Electronics Now was to save money on the device.
But the kit parts that you need to order come to over $50 (I think I
could buy a ready-made device for that much).

Would anyone be willing to do a bulk order of these special components
that you need for constructing a Caller_ID box: PIC16C55 (trouble is,
this thing needs to be programmed -- well, you can buy a kit to build
a programmer for $69.95, sigh...), 16x1 LCD module, and any other of
these components that are not readily available (such as this MC145447
Motorola calling line identification receiver).

You would also need to etch a double-sided PC board with the patterns
they include (something else needing separate equipment which I don't
happen to have).  I also must admit I am not entirely happy with this
kit: First of all, it allows you to store only the last five calls
received.  But even worse, since it uses this sixteen character LCD
display module, it throws away the date of the call and only shows the
time.  Maybe someone knows of a kit that can store the full data for
each call and doesn't use these expensive specialized components?


Ben Williams   [email protected]

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From: Monty Solomon <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Answering Machine Accepting Collect Calls
Reply-To: Monty Solomon <[email protected]>
Organization: Roscom
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 07:35:29 GMT


In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (deborah
castillo) writes:

> The real answer to your question is you should record your greeting to
> include the phrase, "operator, we will accept collect calls at this
> number". Obviously, you don't want to have that phrase on your machine

The phrase should include the word "yes" since some of the automated
collect call handlers ask the answering party to say "yes" to accept
the call.

Therefore, something like "operator, yes we will accept collect calls at this
number" would be better.

The automated recordings at the AAA (American Auto Assn) state that
they will accept collect calls.


Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA  01701-0405
[email protected]

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