TELECOM Digest     Fri, 19 Nov 93 01:58:00 CST    Volume 13 : Issue 769

Inside This Issue:                        Moderator: Patrick A. Townson

   Re: Microsoft Telephony API/SPI (Toby Nixon)
   Re: "Press (__) to Hear Special Message ..." (Mike King)
   Re: Crummy Service in NY (Gordon Jacobson)
   Re: Atomic Clocks (was: For A Good Time, Call 202-653-1800) (Alex Ranous)
   Re: Nationwide Caller ID (Patrick Chung-Pui Ko)
   Re: Sri Lanka is Joining the Internet (Lars Poulsen)
   Re: Wanted: Info on Cellular Phone Monitoring Systems (Michael P. Deignan)
   Re: Need to Buy E1 to T1 Converter (Ken A. Becker)
   Re: CA Tax Regulations for LD Providers (Paul Robinson)
   Re: CA Tax Regulations for LD Providers (Bob Schwartz)
   Re: Calling Card Question (Kevin A. Mitchell)
   Re: Calling Card Question (Paul Robinson)
   Re: NPA 905 Not Universally Recognized (David Leibold)
   Re: NPA 905, NAFTA and Mexico Area Codes (John R. Levine)
   Re: NPA 905, NAFTA and Mexico Area Codes (Carl Moore)
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From: [email protected] (Toby Nixon)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Telephony API/SPI
Organization: Microsoft Corporation, Redmond WA, USA
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 00:47:47 GMT


In article <[email protected]> [email protected]
wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Joe Armstrong
> <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Does anybody have any information available about products which use
>> the recently published Microsoft Telephony API/SPI?

> Given, that this spec is supported, and written by a joint venture of
> two companies with little or no communications experience (Intel and
> Micro$oft), it seems to have little promise of being adopted as a
> standard.

> This may change, if a major PBX or switch vendor buys into it.

When Windows Telephony was announced back in May, over 40 companies
participated.  In addition to Microsoft and Intel, companies which
have announced support include:

Acer America
Acotec GmbH
Active Voice Corporation
Alcatel Business Systems Group
Ameritech
Analog Devices
Articulate Systems
Aspect Communications
AT&T Global Business Communications Systems
Bell Atlantic
Centigram Communications Corporation
Compaq Computer Corporation
Contact Software International
Cypress Research Corporation
DEES Communication Engineering Ltd.
Delrina
Dialogic
Digital Equipment Corporation
DSP Group, Inc.
Ericsson Business Communications
Executone Information Systems
Floreat, Inc.
Fujitsu Business Communications Systems
GPT
Harris Digital Telephone Systems
Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc.
InteCom, Inc.
ISOCOR
Jensen-Jones, Inc.
Lotus
Mitel
Momentum Data Systems
Motorola Digital Signal Processor Operation
Motorola/Universal Data Systems
National Semiconductor, Inc.
Natural MicroSystems
NEC Corporation
Northern Telecom
Octel Communications Corporation
OCTuS, Inc.
PictureTel
Polaris Software
Rhetorex
Rockwell International Corporation
Siemens Private Communication Systems Group (ROLM)
Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Smart Technologies
Spectron
TeleInt GmbH
Toshiba America Information Systems
Unifi Communications Corporation
US West Communications, Inc.
VMX, Inc.
Voice Technologies Group, Inc.

I think you'll agree that this includes most of the major players in
the industry, including the "major PBX or switch vendors" you say are
necessary for success (AT&T, Northern Telecom, Seimens/Rolm, Ericsson,
Alcatel, Fujitsu, NEC, Harris, Intecom, Mitel, etc.), plus all of the
major PC-based voice processing companies, most of the makers of
telephony hardware chips, many major data, fax, and voice software
developers, major telephone network operators, etc.

Over 10,000 copies of the preliminary specification have been
downloaded from various FTP sites and CompuServe, in addition to the
thousands mailed out on paper and diskette from Microsoft. The
official release of the SDK is imminent.

As for "little or no communications experience", I was Principal
Engineer at Hayes for nine years, and their representative in US and
international standards committees (including TIA and CCITT). Similar
experience exists of the Intel side. You can't assume that companies
at Microsoft will stand still and not hire the best talent in pursuit
of major corporate initiatives. The spec wasn't developed in a vacuum,
either; most of the companies mentioned above (including your own)
have made extensive contributions as it was developed.

I'm happy to say that the vast majority of industry analysts have
heartily disagreed with your assessment that Windows Telephony has
"little promise of being adopted as a standard."  On the contrary, it
will be the core of switched communications support in the next major
version of Windows, and a major part of continuing to make personal
computing easier to use.


Toby Nixon  Program Manager -- Windows Telephony
Digital Office Systems Group   Microsoft Corporation

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 08:10:07 EST
From: [email protected] (Mike King)
Subject: Re: "Press (__) to Hear Special Message ..."


In TELECOM Digest, V13 #742, [email protected] (Elana Beach) wrote:

> I want to somehow have the simple option of an answering machine that
> will allow me to say something like: "Press 1 for the latest news on
> Chris Franke's limited CD release".  That way, anyone who wants to
> hear that stuff would have the option, and others can just ignore it
> and leave a message like usual.

Would you consider the inverse?  Most GE, Panasonic, and AT&T
answering machines have a feature where the caller can press '*' to
avoid the rest of the outgoing message and get the beep immediately.
Perhaps you could set your OGM to, "If you'd like to leave a message,
press star; otherwise stay on hte line for the latest news on Chris
Franke's limited CD release."

I've used my machine in that manner when I've needed to leave the
house but I wanted to get a message to the caller.  "Hello, if this is
...., please stay on the line; otherwise, press star to leave a
message."  Of course, I never left confidential messages in that manner.


Mike [email protected]   * Usual disclaimers *

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Reply-To: [email protected] (Gordon Jacobson)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 00:02:08
Subject: Re: Crummy Service in NY
From: [email protected] (Gordon Jacobson)


> Oh, and I cannot get ISDN, either.

       All Business Service NYTel COs south of 57th Street provide
ISDN PRI/BRI.

Call Bob Block at (212) 395 5272.

> My service comes from the "Second Avenue" central office in Manhattan.

       So does mine -- 2nd Avenue and 56th Street in fact.  And I can
get ISDN whenever I want it.


Regards,

GAJ

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From: [email protected] (Alex Ranous)
Subject: Re: Atomic Clocks (was: For A Good Time, Call 202-653-1800)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 22:14:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Networked Systems Architecture


Lou Fernandez ([email protected]) wrote:

> For more than you ever wanted to know about time, frequency and
> clocks, I recommend you consult the July 1991 issue of the Proceeding
> of the IEEE, Special Issue on Time and Frequency.

Another place to find about this subject which is a bit more
approchable is the July 93 issue of {Scientific American} in an
artical titled "Accurate Measurement of Time"


Alex

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From: [email protected] (Patrick Chung-Pui Ko)
Subject: Re: Nationwide Caller ID
Date: 19 Nov 1993 02:09:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley


Is there any way I could get a phone service from Northwest Bell
in California? Since PacBell plays games can we just use a different
telco?


[Moderator's Note: Sure you can, subject to a few requirements and a
big budget for phone service. You can call 'Northwest Bell' or any
telco you like; tell them you want Foreign Exchange (FX) service at
your address in California. In other words, you want local Minneapolis
dialtone or whatever. They'll be glad to arrange it for you, and of
course, they'll coordinate it through PacBell since that's the telco
which will supply the wire pair. You'll pay many, many hundreds of
dollars per month for the FX circuit; but when you pick up the phone
you'll get dialtone from the city of your choice and when someone
dials that local number wherever, it will in fact ring on your phone
in California.

Two caveats, or maybe three: you won't be able to make *local* calls
on that phone, since *local* will be defined as the service area of
'Northwest Bell'. I hope you know a lot of people living in
Minneapolis, because you will be able to call them like a local call.
Another caveat: it is questionable if custom calling features will be
available to you. Not all telcos offer custom calling with FX service;
I think it is the exception if they do. A third caveat: plan to pay
PacBell for two things: the minimum monthly amount for one of their
lines you never use since you have to have some form of local service
as part of the deal, and also plan to pay PacBell for the wiring you
are leasing from them to bring your 'Northwest Bell' service in to you
-- unless the remote telco is paying it direct to PacBell and charging
it back to you.

In summary, each local telco has a protected area which is theirs
alone to serve. At the present time, and in the immediate future, it
is unlikely the Bell Companies -- or for that matter, any of the inde-
pent telcos who have historically worked together -- will invade each
other's territories to provide local dialtone. On the other hand, had
you asked if you could ditch PacBell and go with a *non-traditional*
carrier -- say, your local cable company, or one of the upstarts in
recent years like Metropolitan Fiber, my answer would be maybe you
can before long. But in real practice, no you can't right now unless
you are a big business and can justify the cost of FX.  PAT]

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From: [email protected] (Lars Poulsen)
Subject: Re: Sri Lanka is Joining the Internet
Organization: CMC Network Products, Copenhagen DENMARK
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 17:49:27 GMT


I have received large amounts of email with proof that the Federal
Networking Council's ban on routing Internet packets to Russia has
been lifted, and RELCOM has installed a line to ALTER.NET.

I am pleased to see this concession to reality.


Lars Poulsen  Internet E-mail: [email protected]
CMC Network Products Phone: (011-) +45-31 49 81 08
Hvidovre Strandvej 72 B Telefax:      +45-31 49 83 08
DK-2650 Hvidovre, DENMARK  Internets: designed and built while you wait

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From: [email protected] (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Info on Cellular Phone Monitoring Systems
Reply-To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 23:59:27 GMT


In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Michael D. Sullivan) writes:

> Under federal law, any conversation going through a cellular switch is
> considered a telephone conversation subject to the wiretap laws (the
> technical term is "wire communication".  A cellular phone is just as
> private as a landline phone, because people have the same legal right
> not to be "scanned" as they do not to have someone tapping in on a
> craft set.

Why is it not illegal to listen to cordless phone conversation then?
Cordless phones work on the same principle as cellular, except you
only have a single "cell" (your base station) to communicate with.


Michael P. Deignan
Population Studies & Training Center
Brown University, Box 1916, Providence, RI  02912
(401) 863-7284


[Moderator's Note: Why? Because the industry association which represents
cordless phone manufacturers does not have the same political pull
with Congress that the cellular phone companies have. If they would
offer cash bribes -- only they call them gifts to the congress person's
campaign fund -- the same as the cellular carriers did, then they could
have a stupid law passed on their behalf also.   PAT]

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 09:31:26 EST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Need to Buy E1 to T1 Converter
Organization: AT&T


In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(wts1) writes:

> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ken
> Adler) writes:

>> Does anyone know of any companies that make a box that takes in one or
>> more E1 trunks and convert it to multiple T1 trunks?

>> I urgently need contact info for companies that have such a product.

> Tellabs makes a T1 to CEPT (E1) PCM standards converter.

> Tellabs International Inc.
> 4951 Indiana Avenue
> Lisle, IL 60532
>
> PH:  (708) 969-8800
> FAX: (708) 969-2884

> William T. Sykes  AT&T FSAT-Engineering att!gcuxb!gcwts

Well, I hope this doesn't turn into an advertising campaign. AT&T
happens to make a system called DACS II (Digital Accress and
Cross-connect Switch) that does this stuff to a fair-thee-well.  In
fact, we sell these things in E1 land, T1 land, and in all those
places in between that need to convert. The small, cheap version (ISX)
handles between 1 and 64 T1's or E1's; the biggie (CEF) can get up to
2,560 T1's or 2048 E1's, or any combination in between. Why do I know?
Look at the sig.


 Ken Becker [email protected]
 DACS II circuit design


[Moderator's Note: Ah, don't worry about 'commercializing the net'.
I'm alleged to do it all the time. What a joke!  PAT]

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 20:46:03 EST
Reply-To: [email protected]
Subject: Re:  CA Tax Regulations for LD Providers
From: Paul Robinson <[email protected]>
Organization: Tansin A. Darcos & Company, Silver Spring, MD USA


> Perhaps someone in the group -- or the Moderator -- can help me get
> some information.  Does anybody know the regulations and rates for
> determining if tax is applicable, and what taxes, a LD provider
> located OUTSIDE of California for long distance calls originating
> within (and if applicable) outside of California?

[Text Deleted]

> [Moderator's Note: No, no, you do not want to get involved in utility
> tax accounting and procedures. Repeat after me, "I do not want to know
> about utility tax accounting procedures ...".  Say it a few more times.

I absolutely agree that you _do not_ want to have to do utility tax
accounting.

Especially not in California, since you would probably have to get
California Public Utilities Commission Certification as a Common
Carrier.  (See my article in the Digest on the status of the CAL PUC
within about a year ago, "... Is the Highest Law of the Land ...") As
a former resident and California Sales Tax Permit holder, the
paperwork isn't too bad for sales tax, but PUC rules are a mess.

What you really want to do is figure out if you can operate the
organization entirely from a state that either has no sales tax or has
almost no chance of having any customers from within that state.  I
ran a mail-order software sales business out of a Post Office Box in
the District of Columbia for just that reason. Since I never sold
anything to a District address and had no warehouse or facilities
outside the District, I did not have to collect sales tax.  (I did
have a District Sales tax permit and sent the forms in with zero sales
on them).

Based on newspaper reports (see, I get around being accused of
practicing law) There are two Supreme Court Cases on this subject.
One is a 1966 Connecticut Department of Revenue case: if you have no
presence in a state you cannot be required to collect sales tax by it.

The second is the recent (1992) Quill decision.  Quill Corporation, an
Illiniois office supply company, sells all over the country.  The
North Dakota Department of Revenue decided that since Quill is running
ads that show up in North Dakota, it has a presence in the state and
must collect tax.  The State Supreme Court agreed.  The U.S. Supreme
Court continued the holding in the 1966 case, saying that only the
U.S. Congress has the power to authorize such a collection.  Since
Congress has not done so, Quill is under no obligation to pay sales
tax to a state it has no presence (warehouse, office space or agent)
within.

So, if you are going to run a common carrier, pick a state either with
not enough people to matter not taking (like Wyoming, which has less
people in it than the District), and only do interstate calls, or pick
a state without sales tax (Like Nevada or New Hampshire) and operate
from there.  Or just operate from your own state but don't do any
intrastate business and don't have any facilities, warehouses or
agents in any state you do carry calls from.  Mailing bills does not
constitute having a presence there; buy the trunks from AT&T or MCI or
someone and let them pay the sales taxes on their transactions.

You could also consider DC as a place to operate.  :) I would also
note that the District of Columbia has a special exemption on certain
sales taxes paid by "long distance telephone companies." There are
only two long distance companies operating in the District: Mid
Atlantic Telecom and MCI.  Which of these do you think was big enough
to get an exemption passed? :)


Paul Robinson - [email protected]

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Subject: Re: CA Tax Regulations for LD Providers
From: [email protected] (Bob Schwartz)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 21:30:01 PST
Organization: Bill Correctors, Inc., Marin County, California


[email protected] (Pat Myrto) writes:

> Perhaps someone in the group -- or the Moderator -- can help me get
> some information.  Does anybody know the regulations and rates for
> determining if tax is applicable, and what taxes, a LD provider
> located OUTSIDE of California for long distance calls originating
> within (and if applicable) outside of California?

> Telccom outfits in CA are quite evasive on the subject (read: no
> useful information), and there has been not very much luck in getting
> meaningful information from authorities.  This has been going on for

It's not quite as tough as our Moderator describes. There are a
limited number of taxes and applications. Yes, there are legions of
bureaucrats that do this for telcos but remember that some bureaucrats
work so hard and fererishly that we have forgotten that the work they
do is not at all necessary.  In the past we have used information from
Veretex, 1041 Old Cassatt Rd, Berwyn PA, 19312 (215-640-4200) speak
with John Riewe and tell him hi from me please. They have a database
on the ten thousand or so taxing jurisdictions.

In short, it doesn't matter where the provider is located what does
matter is the origonating location and or the terminating location.
Other than veretex you might call the business office and ask for a
breakdown/explanation of thge taxes on your bills.  Information on
exemptions can be found in thr IRS codes section 4251 I believe.


Bob Schwartz                                       [email protected]
Bill Correctors, Inc.   +1 415 488 9000   Marin County, California

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From: [email protected] (Kevin A. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Calling Card Question
Organization: Datalogics, Incorporated, Chicago, IL
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 15:24:34 GMT


In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (danny
burstein) writes:

> Can a calling card be acquired from either the LEC or an IXC with
> the following restriction: that it can -only- get billed by the Local
> Carrier (where appropriate) or by the disgnated IXC?

I'm pretty sure the AT&T calling card offers this feature, and that
was one of the reasons I chose it. I've paid $6.95 for a one-minute
call from Pontiac, IL to Elmwood Park, IL made by my wife, and a local
COCOT says that credit card rates for the two blocks to home are $2.95
for the first minute.

AT&T Customer Service is 1-800-CALL-ATT. They can give you the
definitive answer.

Also, make sure the OLD card is really cut off. I got some AOS calling
card charges on my bill earlier this year, and found that my wife had
used the old number. I had to make a call to Illinois B ... oops ...
"Ameritech" and tell them that when I said I wanted the card turned
off, I meant it. I think they dropped the charges.


Kevin A. Mitchell    (312) 266-3257
Datalogics, Inc      Internet: [email protected]
441 W. Huron         UUCP: ..!uunet!dlogics!kam

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 19:38:17 EST
Reply-To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Calling Card Question
From: Paul Robinson <[email protected]>
Organization: Tansin A. Darcos & Company, Silver Spring, MD USA


danny burstein <[email protected]>, writes:

> Can a calling card be acquired from either the LEC or an IXC with
> the following restriction: that it can -only- get billed by the
> Local Carrier (where appropriate) or by the disgnated IXC?

Yes.  The "85" AT&T Cards (as well as the new custom number cards) are
only accepted by AT&T and by local telephone companies.* MCI and
Sprint's plastic will only be accepted by them when using their 950 or
1-800 numbers.

This is because when one dials 10xxx + 0 + npa + number, AT&T checks
its own database as well as the database of local line company
numbers.  The others only check the local line company database, which
is why you can't use MCI or Sprint cards even when dialing 10222 + 0 or
10333 + 0 respectively.

* There is one known problem.  In certain cases using a restricted
calling card will allow the user to make any calls.  The systems which
are incorrectly implemented check the first call (which is to a valid
number the restricted card is assigned to) then accept further calls
from that card to any number.  This appears to be common on airplane
phones.

My personal opinion is that if the minimum monthly charge for 800
numbers gets any lower, anyone taking *any* collect calls will find it
easier to get an 800 number than to worry about collect call charges.
The current rates now indicate that if you accept more than six collect
calls a month, it is cheaper to get an 800 number unless they are very
long duration where you need the lower per-minute rates after the
first minute and you can't do a callback in such a case.

>   This would do a good job of reducing the tele-zleaze surcharges.

The AOS systems on COCOTS cannot accept AT&T "85" cards.  This is how
I get around the problem of being charged $6.00 for a local call
placed by AOS on a calling card, that C&P Telephone would charge 65c
and AT&T would charge $1.00.


Paul Robinson - [email protected]


[Moderator's Note: 800 numbers are really the way to go now-a-days. The
800 numbers I now broker are 18.4 cents per minute of use with a $5
monthly service fee. These are your own personal 800 numbers, set up
to terminate on whatever line you request, not one of the bogus deals
like MCI has where you have to append some extra digits at the end.
I also represent the AT&T Software Defined Network, and those 800 numbers
are time of day and distance sensitive, meaning you can get an 800
number with rates of 9-10 cents per minute if the calls are at night
from nearby places, etc. You have to spend at least $200-250 per
month on 800 service to get one of those however since the discounts
at the end of the month are factored into the final cost per minute of
use.   PAT]

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 23:53:41 EST
From: David Leibold <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: NPA 905 Not Universally Recognized


To clarify a thing or two, the (905) number given for weather is
indeed using metric readings, not only in degrees Celsius, but km/h
wind speeds and kilopascal barometer values (can't believe it's been
that many years since I last heard of pressure readings in "inches").

The weather office serving Toronto is at the Pearson International
Airport which is actually in Mississauga, Malton exchange (Bell still
refers to the Mississauga area in terms of separate exchanges such as
Malton, Port Credit, Streetsville, etc). It's good to hear that calls
from many parts of the world are completing to 905, but there are
still a few telcos who need to know about 905 (or might that be a good
number of COCOTs and PBXes?).

Now ...

[email protected] (Scott D Fybush) wrote:

> Could someone with knowledge of the 416/905 split enlighten me about
> 416-551?  The Niagara Falls Bridge Commission hotline was at
> 416-551-3409, and I had thought that area was going to 905.  Yet from

551 has been a pager exchange; this appears to have been in effect
throughout the old 416 territory. What happens to such numbers is
unclear since they're not part of the ordinary phone service. These
numbers might still be served out of Toronto for both 416 and 905,
thus the 416-551. Certainly this is not a regular exchange in the
Niagara Falls/St. Catharines' region, at least last I heard.

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 18:13 EST
From: [email protected] (John R Levine)
Subject: Re: NPA 905, NAFTA and Mexico Area Codes
Organization: I.E.C.C.


> Would NAFTA have any impact on area code assignment?  If USA, Canada,
> and Mexico are gonna be an economic unit, would there be motivation to
> make phone calling to Mexico similar to the style used to call Canada
> and USA (outside your local area code)?

I doubt that dialing to Mexico will change any time soon.  For one
thing, it's incredibly expensive.  It costs more to call Mexico City
than it does to call Tokyo.

Also, Mexico has a mixture of six and seven digit numbers, so they'd
have to renumber to match NANP numbers.

On the other hand, after 1995 there will be plenty of area codes, so
if NAFTA really works, it might end up being worth doing.


Regards,

John Levine, [email protected], {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 16:46:25 EST
From: Carl Moore <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: NPA 905, NAFTA and Mexico Area Codes


This is the first time I have heard someone wondering about NAFTA's
effect on the phone system.  When was NAFTA proposed originally?  It's
unrelated (right?) to the change in usage for 905, formerly used for
some calls to Mexico and now in use for a part of Canada.

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