Aduke.2049
net.math
utzoo!decvax!harpo!duke!cjp
Fri Apr 16 19:09:26 1982
Another debunking of the paradox of Newcombe

I agree that in many cases, particularly  among  research  scien-
tists, the importance of correlations is overrated.  On the other
hand, the notion of cause and  effect  is  greatly  overrated  as
well.   If  I see a coin lying on a table, how is one to describe
the cause of my seeing it?  It depends on the coming together  of
many  chances:   someone's having made the coin, someone's having
made the table, someone's having left the coin on the  table,  my
being  alive,  awake,  eyes open and in focus and directed at the
table, glasses on.  Which of these things was the cause?  Perhaps
we  perceive  as a cause, that one aspect which we feel was least
likely to happen; or, perhaps, that  aspect  which  changed  most
radically or recently.  Maybe someone out there can provide a ra-
tional definition for "cause and effect", but I can't; the notion
seems too tied up in the value judgements of humans.

Getting back to the notion of "change" as something  we  conceive
of  as  a  "cause":   If you are truly able to "change your mind"
between the time the computer tests you and the time you  get  to
take  the  box(es), then the paradox is resolved by noticing that
the computer **can not** be as accurate as it is claimed  to  be.
To put it another way, if you could change from wanting to take a
single box (and convincing the  almighty  computer  of  this)  to
wanting  to take both boxes, you could do so and safely take away
$1,001,000.  But *if*, as is claimed, the computer *can*  predict
which  one you take, then it is only an illusion that you changed
your mind; the computer saw that you would do so.

Perhaps this thing can be clarified by  assuming  the  *powerful*
additional  condition  under  which  the  computer does its great
predictions:  that *no outside influences* are allowed  to  reach
you  during  the  time  between  being tested and choosing.  This
means of course, no coin tosses; no bribes to the doorman at  the
money  room;   no  angel from heaven;  no new ideas engendered by
looking at clouds in the sky;  no light, touch, taste, smell,  et
cetera.  You may say, "What an absurd idea"??  Of course it's ab-
surd!!  You'd have to be taken out of  the  universe  altogether,
without  your  knowing  it  or  having  it  affect  your  thought
processes, until the time you had to choose the box.  But without
this  assumption, any one of those things *could* come along, and
change your mind.  The computer is claimed to  be  able  to  know
your mind (almost) perfectly well, but that's not all there *is*.
Your mind can be affected by *something* in the universe of which
the computer has no knowledge.  Therefore, the problem's premises
are not satisfiable.  If  you  attempt  to  accept  unsatisfiable
premises,    you   can   prove   that   false   =   true.    QED.
                       Charles Poirier (duke!cjp)

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