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Sat Jun 6 06:21:31 1981
SF-LOVERS Digest V3 #142
SF-LOVERS AM Digest Saturday, 6 Jun 1981 Volume 3 : Issue 142
Today's Topics:
SF Books - The Right Stuff,
SF Movies - Here's the Plot,What's the Title & Script query answered,
SF Topics - Children's TV (Underdog and Rocky and Bullwinkle and
Jay Ward Productions and Courageous Cat and Minute Mouse and
Crusader Rabbit and Ruff and Reddy and Duck Dodgers and
Violence in Cartoons) & Children's stories
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Date: 5 Jun 1981 14:22:52 EDT (Friday)
From: David Mankins <DM AT BBN-RSM>
Subject: re: the right stuff
Rusty Schweichart (nth person to walk on the moon, Skylab astronaut,
and California's Energy Secretary) reviewed "The Right Stuff" in
Coevolution Quarterly about a year ago. He said the book "felt
right," and that Wolfe had done a good job of capturing the atmosphere
of the early NASA days.
By the way, those of you who haven't picked up Coevolution Quarterly
should. Last issue reprinted a large portion of the AI jargon file,
the issue before that was "The Next Whole Earth Catalog" (that's
right, the whole thing) and several issues ago they published an
entire issue devoted to Gerard O'Neill and his space colonies. It
tends to be lots of fun, since the editor is interested in Neat
Things.
Anyone interested in details like their address can send me mail.
dm@bbn-unix
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Date: 5 Jun 81 0:07-PDT
From: mclure at Sri-Unix
Subject: here's part of the plot, what's the title?
I remember seeing a film quite a while ago which starred Lloyd Bridges
as a man desperately trying to evade some bad guys in his dreams...
the dream sequences involved Bridges being pursued through large
factory complexes at night with large gas flames burning throughout
the plant. That's about all I remember, but it's pretty vividly
imprinted in my mind. Anyone know the name of the film?
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Date: 5 Jun 1981 14:45:47-PDT
From: ARPAVAX.ghb at Berkeley
Subject: Movie scripts (not to buy, but at least to look at).
In the LA - Hollywood area, a good source for looking at movie
scripts is the library of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and
Sciences. The AMPAS library is located in their headquarters building
in Beverly Hills (I forget the address, sorry, it's been a while since
I was there). The library is open to anyone, but has rather odd
hours, so I recommend calling first. I know they have copy machines,
so you can copy stuff.
Another good source would be UCLA or USC film libraries,
although I haven't ever used them, so I can't make any specific
recommendations.
Hope this is of some help to someone.
-- george bray
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Date: 5 Jun 1981 00:15:01-PDT
From: CSVAX.dmu at Berkeley
Subject: WOW
Lauren, you are amazing. Your message about old shows shook out
mental cobwebs I didn't know I had! Could someone tell me more about
ASIFA? Maybe others on the list would like to know, too.
David Ungar
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Date: 5 Jun 1981 1119-PDT (Friday)
From: Lauren at UCLA-SECURITY (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: Underdog
For the record...
The reporter was Miss Polly Purebred.
The villain was Simon Bar Sinister.
IT'S A BIRD!
IT'S A PLANE!
IT'S A FROG!
A FROG?
NOT BIRD NOR PLANE NOR EVEN FROG, IT'S JUST LITTLE OLD ME ...
UNDERDOG!
--Lauren--
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Date: 5 Jun 1981 0605-PDT
From: Lynn Gold <G.FIGMO AT SU-SCORE>
Subject: Cartoons
1) The evil scientist in Underdog was Simon Barsinister, if I am
correct. [ Thanks also to Peter (f at Berkeley) for sending
in a reply to this query. -- Jim ]
2) I remember Boris (Rocky and Bullwinkle) Badanov; was Natasha's
last name the same?
3) Does anyone know the name of the girl in the Good-and-Plenty
commercials with Choo-Choo-Charlie?
--Lynn
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Date: 5 June 1981 2101-EDT (Friday)
From: Lee.Moore at CMU-10A
Natasha's last name was "Nogoodnick".
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Date: 6 Jun 1981 00:11:54-PDT
From: CSVAX.dmu at Berkeley
Subject: Natasha's last name was
Fatale!!
Is there a TPTP (Trivia Point Transfer Protocol, not what you think)
for sending me my 17 points?
David Ungar
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Date: 5 Jun 1981 08:48:26-PDT
From: f at Berkeley
Subject: J Ward Enterprises.
Apparently still exists, and supposedly has agents in
Disneyland with the following recognition sign:
"That's something you don't see every day Chauncey",
"What's that, Edgar ?"
"A Flying Bull Moose in a bathrobe (?)"
"Oh I don't know, Edgar".
Also if at the top of the Matterhorn you shout "Hooray for J
Ward Enterprises" the whole structure is supposed to shake and give
you a MUCH more interesting (scary) ride.
They sell all sorts of R+B Trivia items, as well.
-- Peter.
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From: EGK@MIT-MC
Date: 06/01/81 02:08:17
Subject: SF-LOVERS Digest V3 #124
Does anyone remember Courageous Cat and Minute Mouse? They lived in a
Cat Cave and whose guns could do more tricks than were in Felix's bag.
Anyone remember The Frogs name? How 'bout Crusader Rabbit and Rags??
-- Edjik
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Date: 5 Jun 1981 09:50 PDT
From: Weyer at PARC-MAXC
Subject: more cartoons
two more series come to mind (apologies if these have already been
mentioned in previous megabytes of SF lovers)
Ruff and Reddy -- cat and dog, I think. several of their shows were
about extraterrestrial creatures from "Muni-mula" (aluminum spelled
backwards).
in a another series (the name of which I forget, but if I had to guess
I'd say something like Willie Winkie), the heroes got into trouble at
various times and you got to stick your magic transparent screen on
the tv screen (probably not too safe radiation-wise), and draw in
various aids, for example, ladders, shields, etc. needless to say, as
soon as I mailed away for my magic screen and received it, they
discontinued the show. somewhat reminiscent of Fahrenheit 451 (at
least the movie version), where tv programs were participatory.
Steve
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Date: 06/05/81 1622-EDT
From: THOKAR at LL
Subject: A correction and more Warner Brothers
First a correction to Thursday's Digest:
DUCK DODGERS -- in the 24&1/2 Century!!!!!!
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Speaking of WB cartoons, Mel Blanc did (does?) the voice over on
most of them. For anyone who has watched them lately, they have
been badly mutilated. As RODOF (Bob?) mentioned, cartoons must have
most of the violence removed from them now-a-days. Unfortunately
this includes the Road-Runner "classics," which leads to very choppy
story lines. (Pun somewhat intended.) No longer does Wiley E. Coyote
splatt on the bottom of a seemingly endless canyon. Sigh -- for the
lost days of mispent youth.
As for my vote for the all time best cartoon:
DUCK AMUCK
One of the funniest cartoons ever scripted. Luckily it can still be
seen at SF cons. Usually shown to a packed and cheering house.
Tanstaafl,
Greg
P.S. For those who don't remember, Duck Amuck is about Daffy Duck's
problems with an illustrator who keeps changing the scene --
and Daffy.
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Date: 20 May 1981 11:12:57-EDT
From: cjh at CCA-UNIX (Chip Hitchcock)
Subject: bookworms
Let's hear it for weird kids who raid libraries! I misplaced this
habit for a few years when I was living in areas where there wasn't
much of a library, but picked it up again when I went to boarding
school, where I was severely bored (sorry . . .) for a variety of
reasons. The school had an arrangement with the central country
library, a marvelous old granite and sandstone pile that looked as if
it should have had bats flying out of and around it and skeletons in
the dungeons, that students could take out books for assigned papers;
it took me over two years to persuade an English teacher to let me do
a paper on SF, so in the meantime I persuaded the library to let me
buy a card like any out-of-towner from within the county and took out
a bicycle-load of books (~12) every Saturday.
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From: TRB@MIT-MC
Date: 06/05/81 09:42:24
Subject: Re: Violence in Cartoons
RODOF@USC-ECL explains that cartoonists today are severely restricted
by no-violence rules. I grew up in the Bronx, and I really don't
think that we Bronx kids of the sixties, who were weaned on
imaginative TV, were nearly as violent as the Bronx kids are today,
who watch trash all day. Maybe they're so rebellious because they're
fed garbage all day, gigo, did you ever consider that? If you believe
that the reason that old cartoons are better than new cartoons is
violence, well, you're mistaken. We've been doing a lot of
reminiscing in this space recently, and I haven't heard anyone say
that they miss the old cartoons because they were violent.
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Date: 5 Jun 1981 at 1052-CDT
From: clyde at UTEXAS-11
Subject: Fond video memories.
Fie on those naysayers who have forced our cartoon writers and
artists into producing electronic pablum for the kiddies consumption!!
Perhaps I'm not quite normal, but those 'toons I enjoyed the
best (and still am willing to get up at 8:30 Saturday morning for) are
those Chuck Jones Warner Brothers Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck/Sylvester and
Tweety/ Roadrunner cartoons which feature the 'villian' getting
mangled in 20 different ways within the space of 3-5 minutes.
Even as a kid, I knew that I couldn't stop a freight train
with my hand, or could survive the hundred-foot falls that Wile E.
Coyote took with such frequency. Gone are those days where the good
guys could beat the living crap out of the baddies (or the baddies
would beat the crap out of themselves -- a favorite thing for Elmer
Fudd and Mr. Coyote to do). Now we must be "non-violent", "show
alternatives to conflict", and other such well-intentioned but
blanderizing things.
Sigh. Why does it always seem that the best things in popular
culture always have been in the past? I hate think of these rug rats
growing up and being nostalgic about "The Drac Pack" (or some other
such pseudo-animated teen-identification junk), perhaps never to have
seen a few good Rocky and Bullwinkle 'toons or laughed as Sylvester
bites the dust under the pile driver while trying to swing over to
Tweety's cage so he can EAT the little birdie, (of course).
I guess that's what happens when you "grow up"......
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