The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 10 11 Mar 2002

The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 10 11 Mar 2002
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Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.

Table of Contents
1. INSIDE ................................................... 1
The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 1
2. EDITORIAL ................................................ 2
Work, work work, and for what...? ........................ 2
3. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 4
Catcalls from the Cheap Seats ............................ 4
4. REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ........................... 11
Wild Olympiade on the Wild West .......................... 11
5. FIDONET WEB PAGE REVIEWS ................................. 12
Synchronet, Argus Help Page .............................. 12
6. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN .......................... 14
Japanese Thanksgiving .................................... 14
7. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ...................................... 16
BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #8 ............................ 16
Henry Ford ............................................... 17
8. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................. 19
Fidonet Software List .................................... 19
9. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 23
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 23
10. SPECIAL INTEREST ........................................ 28
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 28
11. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 30
How to Submit an Article ................................. 30
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 31
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INSIDE
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The Fidonews at a Glance

"Work, work, work...", a little Catcaller comment and then some about
that infernal synthetic laughter added to US TV shows, in the
"Editorial" this week.

"Catcalls..." are reaching new, all time highs this week. Bashings
as well as education, what more can be expected from an article in
this distinguished production?

"Wild Olympiade on the Wild West" seems to be something of a
rebuttal to my latest editorial, so I publish those Russian sour
grapes in the "Rebuttal..." section.

Frank Vest has visited "Synchronet, Argus Help Page", site, that
seems very nice. This editors only objection is, that it doesn't look
too good if the most important word in the very first headline, is
misspelt.

Carol takes on a (somewhat late -- or maybe early) "Japanese
Thanksgiving" in this week's "Fidonet's International Kitchen".

The eighth episode of "BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL" (published with
the expressed permission from the author) in the "Clean Jokes..." plus
a story about "Henry Ford", one of a handful of contributions from
Ol'wdb, for me to keep handy for future use.

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EDITORIAL
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Work, work work, and for what...?

So now I'm back after finishing yet another 72 hour project, that I
really should have finished two weeks ago. How come I always have to
do things in the last minute?

And why do I still continue this full time work, when really I have
done all that kind of work, that could be expected from me? My wife
and I have produced two wonderful children, 28 and 22 now. They are
far better human beings than both my wife and me, so what more can be
expected from us? I'd say we've fulfilled our obligations to society
as well as to humanity.

The reason for me continuing to work like this, is of course that I
would go bananas if I woke up one morning and didn't know what to do
that day. Oh yes, I have my wonderful dog that needs at least an hour
of walking every day, but after that?

- = * = -

My last editorial really got our catcaller to grab his keyboard.
The result was an impressive 22kb article. Not only does the size
impress this editor, but also much of the knowledge unveiled in it.
Like for instance the knowledge of the battle of L�tzen in 1632. Hey
Luke, it's easy to remember the year if you know when Mohammed died.
But I think we can claim a more recent victory in the battle of Riga
in 1700 when Karl XII beat the Russians. Some years later he was
defeated by the Russian winter -- a century before Napoleon and 2.5
before Hitler; funny how both Nappie and Adolf missed that lesson in
school.

But it's obvious, after all, that our beloved catcaller is not the
average American, whose general knowledge of Sweden seem to be, that
it's the capital of Copenhagen and is famous for it's chocolate and
cuckoo-clocks. Nah... He's definitely a Canadian, I'd say.

- = * = -

In the Fidonews echo, I had the audacity to question the synthetic
laughter added to all the US "comedy shows", and, implicitly, the
intelligence of the audience, that needs such horrible manipulation in
order to understand when something is funny. All in the now well known
mantra of GWB: "Either you're against us or your with us", I
immediately was stamped out as one of The Bad Guys.

But seriously! Have you ever been sitting in the next room when one
of those shows are running? You cannot hear what the are saying, just
the added laughter. It's the same ten second soundtrack over and over
again, only varied in pitch, volume and decay. If that's not annoying,
I don't think I know the meaning of the word. I only hope some Swedish
TV channel some time can order at least Spin City (with MJF) or
Friends without that laughter; then I'd be able to really enjoy two of
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the few intelligently scripted comedy shows from the USA...

TTFN!

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GENERAL ARTICLES
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Catcalls from the Cheap Seats
By Luke Kolin

Bjorn's put together a really fantastic editorial this week, folks.
It's given a lot of grist to this author's mill, and it's allowed me
to wax on about three topics near and dear to my heart - Policy4,
international hockey and the relative decline of the Canadian dollar.
Perhaps I can put something together this week that might make the old
Snooze beat the 100K barrier for the last time in its existence? Well,
maybe not. But western landfills are groaning under the weight of 18
million disposable diapers every day or so, so let me offer my
poop-filled piece of paper as the first contribution.

If Bjorn says that the gold medal game was won by Sweden in 1994, not
1992, I'll believe him. Pretty much every Canadian schoolchild is
indoctrinated in the fact that the last Canadian gold medal was won in
1952 by an amateur club called the Revelstoke Doughnut Munchers, who
got really drunk one evening at the local pub and decided to get a
real medal, not the plastic trophies that the suburban club leagues
give out. This was back in the good old days when two dozen Canadians
could take over a hockey tournament with the same ease that two dozen
19th Century Brits could get drunk and take over a small African
kingdom. I was tempted to plead ignorance by stating that my
educational background was in seventeenth century European history,
but I came to the realisation last night that I could not recall if
the last time the Swedes beat anyone in a fair fight (the Battle of
Lutzen) was in 1632, 1638 or 1642, and I was too lazy to retreat
downstairs to the library to find out. So much for my historical
pretensions.

I am deafened (again) by the silence coming from those individuals
suggesting the biggest change to Policy4 since the amendments made in
1995, 1998 and 2000. Apparently, my proposals have fallen upon deaf
ears, or the backers of the status quo really have no intellectual
legs to stand on. Instead, Bjorn is attempting to come to their
rescue. I'll pretend to ignore the characterisation of my magnum opii
as 'dreadful noise' and get to the heart of Bjorn's argument.

Essentially, his claimed justification behind this non-amendment is
that we need to eliminate a 'psychological barrier' to change, and
that until we amend the document the 95% of FidoNet sysops who have
known nothing else will all of a sudden realise they have had nothing
to lose but their chains, so to speak. According to such reasoning,
what we should have done is proposed an amendment that said nothing
more than the following:

"The Policy formerly known as 4.07 shall henceforth be referred to as
Policy 4.08."

Which would do exactly the same thing as what's currently under
consideration - absolutely nothing. There are psychological barriers,
my Editor, but they are not that FidoNet doesn't believe that the
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Policy can be amended. No one's ever seriously questioned that before.

What I question, however, is if the brain trust of FidoNet has the
mental agility to see that the top-down feudalistic style of FidoNet
is utterly incapable of handling the demands placed upon it today. I'm
not sure if people can conceive of a FidoNet where an IP-only node
can't talk to a FrontDoor 2.02 system that still talks at 9600 baud
during ZMH only. Considering the howls of protest from the "I can walk
and chew gum at the same time but don't ask me to run" crowd at the
chaos that would happen if (gasp!) nodes were allowed to have multiple
node numbers in non-geographic networks, the thought of FidoNet
adopting operating practices from 1997 or 1998 is far too much to ask.

I also doubt the notion once this change has been made, there will be
a great rush to make further changes. More likely to this observer
would be the idea in sysops' minds: "We just made a change, why do we
need another one?" Let me point out to our Olympic editor-being, that
Bob Beamon broke Jesse Owens' record a mere three decades after it was
set. It took another quarter century before someone broke his record.
Despite all of their claims to the contrary, our Policy long-jumpers
strike me as an athlete at the start of the long jump runway,
furiously jumping up and down in the same spot - all the time
claiming, "I'm really building up momentum now!" Folks, to achieve
progress you have to engage in forward motion sooner or later. I've
never known anyone to break a psychological barrier (or any barrier,
for that matter) by doing nothing. FidoNet won't, either.

Bjorn's discussion of the relative decline of the swedish krona brings
me to another topic that is near and dear to my heart - and I even
promise to tie it all back to FidoNet at the end of it all. As I'm
sure many readers are aware, Canadians and Americans are as a people
pretty much indistinguishable. We speak the same language, share
similar customs. Our nations look pretty similar - big, relatively
empty compared to Europe and with lots of places to see and live. We
both have a dollar, share the same phone numbers and most of the same
holidays (even if Canadian Thanksgiving is in October instead of
November.)

Shortly after I was born, a Canadian dollar was worth more than an
American dollar. This in and of itself was not a huge aberration - the
dollars had stayed pretty close to each other for a good period of
time. As late as 1991, the Canadian dollar was worth 92 cents US, and
US border cities were filled with Canadians seeking cheaper prices,
not to mention an escape from the miserable 15-18% sales taxes that
the Canadian federal and provincial governments enjoy extracting from
their hard-working populace.

Today, these border cities are deserted on the US side, but booming on
the Canadian side. Is it because Americans are poor and Canadians are
rich? Quite the contrary. You see, most Canadians can no longer afford
to go to the US side because the Canadian dollar is no longer worth 92
cents US - it's worth 33% less. Americans are flooding across the
border because the entire country just threw a "one-third off the
regular price" sale. Which is really wonderful if you're an American,
or (like me) a Canadian who gets paid a US salary, in US dollars and
no longer pays Canadian income tax. If you're one of the poor Canadian
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working stiffs who have gotten a third poorer, you may not appreciate
it so much.

Canada's Prime Minister happened to be the Finance Minister the last
time the dollars were at par. When a previous government allowed the
dollar to slip below 70 cents, he raised an outcry. When the dollar
under his watch slipped to 65 cents, he claimed it was a glorious
event for Canadian exporters. I'm sure that daily wages of $3/day are
a great event for Vietnamese and Indonesian exporters, but most
Vietnamese and Indonesians don't see things the same way.

As an expatriate, it is interesting to compare attitudes in Canada
when I make one of my annual or semi-annual trips back home. I've
noted for a while now that Canadian attitudes towards the United
States are shaped in large part by their recollections of fifteen to
twenty years ago, and therefore there is very little sense of urgency
about the relative decline I've seen in Canada compared to the US (or
places in Europe like the Netherlands) in the past ten years or so.

When I was little, American governments were broke. The inner cities
were decaying and crime was running rampant. I have what I call the
'freeway test' to determine the relative wealth of a nation, state or
city - the quality of the pavement on the roads. If a government is
short of money, they will typically defer repaving efforts in favour
of cheap and quick 'patch jobs', which take less out of each annual
budget. When my parents and I would drive from Toronto to Buffalo, we
would be on a smooth ribbon of asphalt on the Canadian side. The
minute we crossed over the bridge to the US and went on Interstate
190, we'd be on an undulating river of potholes, patches and bumps. No
sane individual would try and drive at the 88km/h (!) speed limit -
the suspension would give out.

Today when I drive in from Buffalo to Toronto, I-190 is smooth and
flat. It's well lit. After a heavy snowfall (which Western New York
gets frequently), the morning afterwards the road is clean, bare and
often dry. And all for a measly 50 cent toll. Across the border in
Canada, by contrast, the freeway is littered with potholes, patches
and half-baked repaving jobs that last 5 years instead of the 25 that
good poured concrete will give you. Lights? You've got to be kidding.
The toll highways are better, but this costs - I can take the NY
Thruway across the entire state from Erie, Pennsylvania to New York
City (9 hours' drive or so) for US $11. The same price will get me
half-way around Toronto on the toll ring road, assuming the metering
equipment is accurate. Finally, the effective speed limits in the US
have been raised to a sensible 75 to 85 miles per hour.

When I lived in Toronto, my car was vandalised on three separate
occasions. Here in Atlanta, it has yet to happen. If I lived in some
walled, gated community I could understand it - but the irony is that
the homes in the Toronto neighborhood where I used to live were more
expensive and I could never afford to buy them.

I think the last important comparison to make is health care. My
parents, sister and brother in law are all Canadian doctors, and I had
the opportunity several years ago to discus relative health care
between our two nations. Many Canadians consider their system of
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universal health care to be one of the distinguishing characteristics
of their country, and my sister pointed out to me that 40 million
Americans I were uninsured and that I had a 'gold plated' health plan.

While I cannot initially refute the first point, I had several
observations to make. First, my health plan is the same as the CEO of
my company. It is, however, also the same as the phone clerks that
make $9/hour. If I were to work as a check-out clerk at the local
supermarket, I would get a similar health care package as well as a
company-funded retirement savings plan. A country that can give 'gold
plated' health care to its poorest paid workers can't be all bad, no?
Employers do this because they have to - not by government regulation,
but by virtue of the fact that no smart individual would work for a
company that didn't provide health benefits as part of its base
compensation. Despite our 'recession', unemployment is still lower
than it was at the height of the 1980s boom - and much of the gains
have been at the lower end of the salary scale.

By contrast, despite my 'universal health care' in Canada, being
covered didn't actually mean that I could get health care since I
still needed to find a doctor that was taking new patients. Try as I
might, every doctor that was suggested to me by friend or family was
not taking new patients, and therefore would not see or treat me. It
was not until I, in somewhat of a fit of desperation, asked if the
doctor knew Dr. So-and-So, my sister. At which point, they were
somehow able to fit me in. Universal, you say?

Getting back to the uninsured issue, many of these uninsured here in
the United States could buy cut-price health insurance for around
$75/month. The problem with this 'insurance' is that you can't see a
doctor and you have to wait around for most procedures, if they're
covered at all. In some ways, it's not much different than Canadian
health insurance.

Of course, the rich and powerful don't have to face these issues. When
a member of the Irving family (the Rockefellers of New Brunswick) gets
sick, he hops on the family jet for a quick jaunt to the Mayo clinic
in Minnesota or Sloan Ketterring in New York. Maybe Johns Hopkins in
Baltimore. If an average Canadian gets sick in New Brunswick, they get
to travel as well - since there are now no colorectal surgeons left in
the entire province. If your child is born with a heart defect, you
may not be pleased to note that the last pediatric invasive
cardiologist has left. So instead of immediate treatment, you get to
drive 8 to 12 hours to Halifax or Quebec City - after waiting 10 to 12
weeks to see the doctor.

Getting back to hockey, there is an excellent hockey player (perhaps
Bjorn can tell us if he played in the Olympics) by the name of Saku
Koivu. At the tender age of 26 or so, he was diagnosed with abdominal
cancer and required immediate treatment, which was started within 48
hours. At last report, the cancer was in remission and he was slowly
getting back to being able to play hockey again. Lucky to be in
Canada, you say? Maybe. I cannot speak from personal experience about
the oncology departments in Montreal, but I am sure they are quite
good.

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I contend, however, that what saved this young man's life was the fact
that he is a Finn. Not through any genetic predisposition that this
group of people posses to battling cancer, but by virtue of the fact
that a Canadian cannot get cancer treatment within 2 days of
diagnosis, no matter how much he is willing to pay - to pay extra for
faster service is illegal, and there would be an outcry if a
millionaire athlete got preference over other Canadians. But since he
is Finnish, his life is not finished <ouch> and he can pay to jump the
queue.

So, thanks to our vaunted system of 'universal' (if you can find a
doctor and he doesn't move away) health care, Canadians are now second
class citizens in their own country. Bravo!

[A note - between when this piece was written and its submission, the
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reported that a six-month old
Canadian citizen was denied life-saving care because his parents are
neither citizens nor landed immigrants, but visitors. Let's raise a
hearty cheer to the Czech community in Montreal who raised the $10,000
necessary to provide him care, and let's all think nasty evil thoughts
to the pathetic Quebec bureaucrats who would let a little baby die.
How many little Canadian babies will die in the future that we don't
hear about?]

Of course, Canadians don't realise it yet. They still believe that US
health care will bankrupt average people, you can't get treated, etc.
etc. etc. There hasn't been an outcry yet, and everyone is convinced
that if we throw another billion or so in the pot, the problems will
go away. They've thrown an additional $25 billion into the pot since I
left Canada, and it's only gotten worse. They seem to be stuck in
their view of the world 15 years ago.

Now, what does my little interlude have to do with FidoNet? As I
mentioned earlier, the reason why there isn't an outcry about this
relative decline in the standard of living and health care is that
many Canadians still believe that the US is the way it was in the
mid-1980s. (With the dollar the way it is, they cannot afford to go
there to find out.) Much of FidoNet's decline over the same period can
be attributed to similar outdated thinking about this network relative
to the Internet.

In the mid-1990s, the Internet was perceived as newsgroups, spam and
pornography. It was perceived as chaos, rudeness, crime. Many folks in
FidoNet still see it in that vein. Admittedly, investors have spent
billions laying miles of fiber-optic cable so that teenagers all over
North America can see naked pictures of Tiffany two days after Playboy
comes out. However, as I've pointed out in previous articles, the
Internet has hundreds of communities as polite, orderly and vibrant as
FidoNet ever was. It attracts thousands of average people every day,
dealing with average, more or less legal pursuits.

FidoNet is just like Canada is - they don't see the dramatic changes
that have taken place around them, and they feel that a little
incremental change will be what's necessary to fix things, or get us
started down that path. People like myself who leave and criticise the
system are considered 'selfish', 'troublemakers' or 'interfering with
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the people working hard for a solution'. Does this sound familiar to
anyone? It does to me. What I'm 'mocking', Bjorn, is the lack of true
effort behind these so-called 'changes'. I'm mocking the fact that no
one has seen fit or able to refute my desires for sysop-level
participation in the Policy amendment process. As a scandinavian, you
may be familiar with a fellow by the name of Hans Christian Andersen.

This fellow wrote a charming little fairy tale about a King who was
promised fantastic new clothes that were absolutely wonderful and
beautiful, easily the finest in the land. He could not see them, nor
could anyone else, but everyone agreed with the tailors that they were
fine, fine clothes. And it came to pass that the King was in a
procession through the streets, stark naked - and no one, but a child,
had the nerve to say what they all knew. This policy amendment has no
clothes. It does nothing, and all the puffery about sysop-level
consultation and psychological barriers is as self-delusional as the
beautiful fabric embedded with sparkling gemstones. Look how they
twinkle so!

It's ironic that Bjorn refers to the 'f*cking European Union'. The
f*cking EU is an elitist group of governments that gets together,
makes decisions in private and attempts to claim that they've done
sufficient public consultation to move forward. Not surprisingly, the
public in more and more EU countries isn't buying that particular
brand of snake oil. Yet Bjorn believes that it's too much of a change
to let sysops get a direct say in how their network is run by amending
Policy or formally enshrining the principle of electing *Cs. The
European Union has been using those very same arguments to limit or
prevent voter involvement in the selection or ratification of the
European Commission. The Council of Ministers is an unelected
legislative body. But to extend rights to the voters at large? That
would be too much of a change! Maybe later, but it's too much too soon
right now.

Bjorn, maybe you now know how a lot of sysops feel about P4. They feel
the same way that you feel about the European Union. And defenders of
the f*cking EU use the exact same language as you. They refuse to
defend themselves in public forums. (hello, Bob Short!) How are you
different from them?

Allow me to close off this week's rant with a sensible, sober
reflection on what Gary Gilmore had to say. Yes, the BBS as we've
known it from the early 1980s is terminal, if not dead, in many areas.
However, part of the appeal of FidoNet as I look back over its almost
two decades of existence was its ability to adapt, at least in the
early years. The network was able to change and bring in new
technologies and new possibilities. I think a lot of FidoNet's decline
has been caused because too many people weren't able to let go of
certain founding principles behind the network, or certain principles
that evolved into the network. It's not much different than Canadian
health-care: that originally was devised as catastrophic coverage so
that no sick child would be without emergency care at 1am because its
parents couldn't afford to pay the doctor. It's turned into a
constitutional right to free sex change operations, and sick children
are again without emergency care at 1am because in many parts of rural
Canada, there is no doctor to pay.
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I don't view FidoNet as a BBS network - partly because I stopped
running a BBS in 1990. I look at it as a means of distributing
content. If we didn't have BBSs anymore and every user became a
private node, but the content was still there, great! If we stopped
using the POTS and were all IP nodes, no big deal. It's called
evolution, and it's probably the biggest tribute to the hard-working
folks of the late 1980s and early 1990s who built FidoNet, that their
creation was able to evolve and survive, instead of turning into the
static museum of BBSing that it is today.

The first recorded use of the term CRP that I recall from FidoNet was
in Toronto in 1990 and 1991; we used the term 'Cost Recovery Plan' to
describe a transparent mechanism for recovering the costs incurred in
obtaining EchoMail and SDS files. We put together an open document,
which described how the system SHOULD work; it called for open reports
on traffic, costs and public display of the books. If we had too much
money in the kitty, everyone got a free month added to their service.
I don't know if when we came up with the term back then, if we were
the first. But I do feel proud to see that the term at least remains
in use. We did something right back then.

In a sense, Bjorn is right - we do have some psychological hurdles to
overcome today, but not the ones he thinks. Our chains (to use the
Marxist term) are not our perceived inability to amend policy, they
are our unwillingness to abandon the 'sacred principles' of FidoNet in
favour of reacting to modern technology. There's no requirement that
all FidoNet systems need to talk to each other. The Internet is living
proof that a network can survive and thrive with firewalls closing off
more and more systems every day. There's no requirement that we remain
backwardly compatible to the level of Fido 11w. There's no requirement
that nodes be listed in the same geographic area as defined by the
local phone system. There's no need for FidoNet to be a *BBS* system.

Like Gary, I don't believe that an amendment to Policy will magically
make the network grow and thrive. It may do absolutely nothing, and
this is the most likely possibility. But it does open up FidoNet to
radically different visions of its future - and these different
visions of the future may not be compatible in the long term. But that
sort of creative ferment will stand everyone in good stead over that
same long term. What's amazing to me is the constant fear of change
and deregulation - "it'll cause chaos" has been repeated so many times
over the years.

Instead, we get this non-change. And we have people running off at the
mouth as to how wonderful it will be. All it does, is take away
momentum and desire for the real changes that the ol' dawg needs to
survive.

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Wild Olympiade on the Wild West
(Russian view)
Maxim Zhukov 2:5025/555

I think, major part of US citizens know, that russian command took
part on this WO`2002 to. But I'm sure, that no one of them didn't
understand how it was sick for us. During this Games we understood
that we have the main reason of our disqualifications - the column in
our passports - the Russian citizenship. That's why all Judge kept
strange silence and did injustice.

Our president V.V. Putin was unpleasantly surprised by passive
position of International Olympic Committee. I think, US citizens
should estimate our nerves and endurance. Russia proved many times,
that we can win. But Russia proved that we can adequately lose - this
isn't for USA. All american shouts about their greatness and
invincibility were denied many times. But on this WO America crossed
last side - America has taken advantage and beginnings to award those
who has not deserved it. It was very cruel - took from medals after
delivery. This fact just underlined your bad jury.

To my mind, the main problem - was that jury did all this injustice
things and even didn't understand it. You can observe all Olympic
Games, and I'm sure that such bad Games were not yet.

My words should not kindle dispute between the Russian and American
people. This is just my addition to "The Winter Olympics 2002" by
(sorry I don't know by whom)

Maxim Zhukov 2002

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Synchronet, Argus Help Page
By Frank Vest
1:124/6308.1

What!? Setting Up Synchronet and Argus
What!? Welcome to Net229!

Where!? http://net229.darktech.org/fidosetup/
Where!? http://net229.darktech.org/

That's right! Two pages for the price of one. Since they are both
free, that's a darn good deal in my not so humble opinion. :-)

Some preface before I start. Hang tight. :)

I've played with several BBS packages since I started my first BBS.
The original was Spitfire. I've looked at others since and am now
running Mystic. I'll say that all of these software packages are very
good.

In recent months, I've been working on setting up Synchronet. I like
the package and think it will do what I desire. As stated above, I'm
no stranger to the "learning curve" that all Sysops, and everyone else
for that matter, go through with new software. As most will tell you,
any help is appreciated.

So, I started on the setup and my learning curve went somewhat
straight up. :) I had heard of the help page mentioned above, but
that was before I became interested in Synchronet, so I promptly
forgot about it. Normal?? :) Anyway, In this time of need, I
remembered and the opportunity presented itself for me to ask the
Webmaster for the address.

So, let's get started.

When you first hit the page at http://net229.darktech.org/fidosetup/
you might think you've found the web page for Fidonet's Net-229. After
a second glance, you'll realize that you are both right and wrong.
This is part of the Net-229 site, but not the main page.

Like I said, at first glance, you might think you're at the wrong
place. Look on down the page and you'll start to see links to "Setting
Up Synchronet With FidoNet EchoMail for Net 229".

Yes, the setup examples are "geared" for Net-229, but they will work
on other Nets as well. Just change the addresses.

I'll not get into all the details of the page here. There's just too
much and this is a "review", not a "tutorial". :)

On the positive side:
FIDONEWS 19-10 Page 13 11 Mar 2002

The color choice and contrast is good. Not too bright and not too
dark. A color selection that is pleasing to the eye, yet not
distracting.

I like the "table" that holds the links. The shadow is a nice effect.
Now I've just got to go look at the HTML code to see how he did that.
:-)

The credits to the Author of Synchronet and links to the Synchronet
home page are a nice touch.

When you get started with the links, you'll notice the "Argus" setup
help. Argus is a nice mailer that handles BinkP as well as dial-up
access. Although not required as "the" mailer for Synchronet, it is a
nice complement.

As you get on into the help pages, you will find "screen shots" of a
"typical" setup. This is a wonderful idea IMHO. Having instructions on
"how-to" is good, but to be able to see what the "real thing" looks
like is a big help.

The fact that on this one set of pages, you can learn and see how to
set up a complete Fidonet BBS with mailer, BBS and mail tosser is
excellent.

Detractions:

Really, only one.... and this is of a personal and political nature.
I wish the "alternate Nodelist" for Fidonet, Zone 1, didn't exist. :(

There you have it. One VERY nice site for Fidonet. Oops... uh.. Oh
yeah... There were two sites listed... Hmmm... With the size of this
review, I'll just say this:

After you've finished learning how to set up Synchronet and Argus to
get yourself a BBS going, check out the Net-229 main page. There's a
lot of good information there. True, it is "geared" for Net-229, but I
believe that the Webmaster would be the first to tell you that it is
for the benefit of Fidonet and not just for Net-229... Although I know
Net-229 would be happy to have you, this site can be of help to you no
matter what Net you decide to join.

Whatever you choose to do, the main thing is to get into Fidonet!

Y'all have a great day,

Frank

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=================================================================
FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN
=================================================================

Japanese Thanksgiving

2 c Stuffing-baked
1 ea Cornish hen
1 lg Japanese sweet yam
2 c Rice- medium calrose
1/4 c Saki
1/4 c Smashed japanese grapes-red
3 sm Carrots- sliced pretty
2 md Japanese cucumbers
3 sl Bitter melon
4 ea Green onions- whole
1 c Red beans- sweet

Ok, whaddaya do when you get in port at 6pm day the day before
Thanksgiving?

You start by defrosting the only 'bird' ya got! That was a cornish
hen. Split 3 ways, it's not alot of meat but we have the other stuff
to makeup for that. Make up stuffing (I used bagged pepperidge farm)
and stuff the hen as much as reasonably possible. The rest goes in a
baking dish to the side.

Make a batch of rice in the ricemaker and in the steamer above, add
the red beans (pre-cooked) and the bitter melon slices.

Slice the sweet yam and add to it the saki and mashed grapes. Add
sufficient water to cover and taste test for sweetness once the yams
are done. Add molasses or light karo syrup to taste.

Baste the hen with the sauces from the yam pot (add more to yam pot
as needed).

Steam or blanche the carrots lightly then add the fresh cucumber. A
dab of sugared ginger atop makes it perfect! No dressing neededbut if
you insist, make it a sweet-vinigary one.

5 mins before the hen is done, lace the green onions into a chain
and ring them around the bird.

When all is done, put the hen on a platter with the yams to the side
and use an ice-cream scoop to ball up stuffing on the other side.
Place green onion ring around it all and the carrots/cucumbers towards
the feet. In this case, a lazy-susan dish is perfect if large! I
added rice and sweet beans to the head portion of mine (extra at the
stove) and put a slice of bitter melon on each plate.

Dessert? We were too stuffed! But we had on the ready, fresh
tangerines and vanilla ice-cream. Line the dish with the tangerine
slices then add a scoop of ice-cream. Drizzle with chocolate syrup.

From the kitchen of: xxcarol
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22 November 2001
Sasebo Japan

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FIDONEWS 19-10 Page 16 11 Mar 2002

=================================================================
CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
=================================================================

BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #8

I'm at my desk as usual, and a user calls.

"Hello Computer Room, Simon here, How can I help" I answer

"I can't get into my account!" A user mumbles at me.

"What was your username please?" I say

They give me their username. No worries. I look in their account.

"No worries, it was just a badly made login file. I've fixed it, you
should be able to login."

"Thanks!"

"No worries. Have a nice day!"

WHAT IS THIS? you're asking yourself. Has the BASTARD OPERATOR FROM
HELL turned over a new leaf? Sold out?! GONE INSANE?!!! Nope. The
BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL is being logfiled. And if that's happen-
ing, I'm being bugged as well. So I'm being nice till I can find the
bugs. It shouldn't be long - bear with me.

Ah. One in the phone handpeice. Basic. But then the boss is a
sneaky sort, so there's probably a couple more. Ah! And another in
the base of the phone and one inside my keyboard. Time for a mad
coffee-spilling frenzy. This is a big job, so I bring the whole jug
over and wait for a witness. The System Manager comes in.

"Where's that report of mine?" he asks in a surly manner - he's
obviously pissed that I haven't implicated myself yet. Antagonist
Identified. As the Principal of "BASTARD OPERATOR SCHOOL" (me) will
tell you, "There's no problem so large it can't be solved by killing
the user off, deleting their files, closing their account and
reporting their REAL earnings to the IRS"

I pull his printout from under the coffee jug where I put it, and the
coffee splashes all over the phone and keyboard, which for some reason
were stacked on top of each other.

"Woopsy!" I say, mock horror on my face. The System Manager's face
tells me I was right in my guess.

"Don't think you'll get away with this!" he snarls and stomps off.

I click on the ethernet monitor and watch the traffic coming out of
his PC.

Ah! A memo, authorising the termination of my contract, going to the
laser in the director's office. I make a few alterations to the file
FIDONEWS 19-10 Page 17 11 Mar 2002

in the spool directory and let it go to it's destination. I run my
dinky little program that deposits -522 to the PC and our mainframe
shits itself.

Later, while booting, I'll remove that nasty logfile business.

Next, I wander into the comms room and plug my earphone into the spare
RS232 port in the Directors office. It's amazing how simple it is to
bug an office once it's got data lines going to it!

Director: "Are you sure about this?"
SysMgr: "OF COURSE!"
Director: "You don't want to reconsider?"
SysMgr: "NEVER!"
Director: "Very well, I'll fax it to staffing now.."
SysMgr "EXCELLENT!"

Two seconds later the System Manager strolls in smiling. "Well, I'll
really miss you Simon.." he says, full of himself.

"Oh?" I say, all sweetness and charm "Where are you going?"

"No Simon" he says, with glee "You're going"

"A PROMOTION!" I say "You've finally written that letter to the head
of staffing telling him he's a bum-sucking arse bandit and that you
quit?"

"No..."

"Are you sure? It's much better than the one about me being fired.."

"Y.." His eyes widen slightly

It's like clubbing a seal to death with a foam cushion. He runs to
stop the fax. Only, having just resigned, clicky cklikcy< his card
key no longer works...

Ametuers...

The Phone rings. It's the same guy as before

"I can get into my account now, but I've run out of disk"

"Hang on, I'll see what I can do"

clicccky<... rm -r *

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Henry Ford
Sent in by Warren Bonner

Henry Ford dies and goes to heaven. At the gates, an angel tells
Ford, "Well, you've been such a good guy and your inventions are
FIDONEWS 19-10 Page 18 11 Mar 2002

great, and the assembly line for the automobile has changed the world
for the good of mankind. As a reward, you can hangout with anyone you
want to in Heaven."

Ford thinks about it and says, "I want to hang out with God."

So an Angel at the Gates takes Henry to the Throne Room and introduces
him to God.

Ford then asks God, "Hey, aren't you the inventor of Woman?"

God says, "Ah, yes."

"Well," says Ford, "you have some major design flaws in your
invention:

1. there's too much front end protrusion
2. it chatters at high speeds
3. maintenance is very costly
4. it constantly needs repainting and refinishing
5. it is out of commission 5 or 6 of every 28 days
6. the rear end wobbles too much, and
7. the intake is placed too close to the exhaust."

"Hmmm..." replies God, "hold on." God goes to the Celestial
Supercomputer, types in a few keystrokes, and waits for the result.
The computers printer prints out a slip of paper and God reads it.

"It may be that my invention is flawed," God replies to Henry Ford,
"but according to statistics, more men are riding my invention than
yours."

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=================================================================
TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
=================================================================

Fidonet Software List
By Todd Cochrane
Type:

B=BBS D=Door M=Mailer T=Tosser C=Communication (terminal)
U=Utility P=Point Software I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...)

<+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
( Software Name ) |Type| ( Author/Contact )
<+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
|BBBS Home Page |B | [email protected] |
| | | www.bbbs.net/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|ELEBBS The Elevator |B | [email protected] |
|Software Production | | www.elebbs.com |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Hermes II Project |B | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.hermesii.org/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Maximus BBS Support |B | [email protected] |
|Page (Non Official) | | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|MBSE BBS |B | Michiel Broek |
| | | [email protected] |
| | | http://mbse.sourceforge.net |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Mystic BBS |B | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/ |
| | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Nexus Bulletin |B | [email protected] |
|Board System | | http://www.nexusbbs.net/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Proboard, Searchlight, |BC | [email protected] |
|Telegrafix | | http://www.telegrafix.com |
|Communications | | 540-678-4050 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|RemoteAccess |B | Bruce Morse |
|Central | | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.rapro.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Spitfire BBS |B | [email protected] |
|Buffalo Creek Software | |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Synchronet BBS |BT | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.synchro.net |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Telegard BBS |B | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.telegard.net/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Wildcat Interactive |BTMI| [email protected] |
|Net Server | | http://www.santronics.com |
FIDONEWS 19-10 Page 20 11 Mar 2002

|Plantinum Express | |(305)248-3204 |
| | | Santronics Inc. |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Bentstone Capabilities |D | [email protected] |
|Group | | http://www.srupc.com/mall |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Jibben Software |D | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|JNS Software Door Games|D | Rusty Johnson |
| | | [email protected] |
| | | 304-733-0113 |
| | | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Legend Of The Red |D | |
|Dragon Reborn | | |
|(L.O.R.D.) | | http://www.lordlegacy.org/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|PC Pursuits |D |[email protected] |
| | |(301)240-6653 |
| | |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|S and T Software |D |Mark Bappe |
| | |[email protected] |
| | |(770)788-6843 |
| | |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Shinning Star BBS Doors|D |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Sunrise Door Software |D |Al Lawerence |
| | |[email protected] |
| | |(404)256-9518 |
| | |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|The Brainex System |D |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Trade Wars Door Game |D |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ |
| | |1:299/110 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Vagabond Software |D |Bryan Turner |
| | |[email protected] |
| | |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/ |
| | |1:124/7013 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|FMail Support |T |[email protected] |
| | |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/ |
| | |2:280/1076 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Squish Tosser |T |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Argus RITLABS |M |[email protected] |
| | |373-2-246889 |
| | |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ |
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| | |2:469/84 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|FrontDoor |MTPC|Definite Solutions |
|FrontDoor APX | |[email protected] |
|Mailer/Point Software | |http://www.defsol.se/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|BeeMail Home Page |M |http://beemail.gexonline.net |
| | |Stephen Proffit |
| | |1:211/405 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/ |
|Frontend Mailer | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|BinkD |MI |[email protected] |
| | |http://2f.ru/binkd/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Fidogate |UIT |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.fidogate.org/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Fidonet to Internet |IM |Bo Bendtsen |
|Mailer | |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|GiGo Software |UI |http://www.gigo.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Internet Rex |IM |[email protected] |
| | |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Tmail |IM |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm |
|(Russian /w English DL)| | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|TransX Multiboard |M |[email protected] |
|Communications Inc. | |http://www.multiboard.com/software/ |
| | |transx.html |
| | |1:2401/305 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|TransNet |I |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Watergate |I |[email protected] |
| | |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU |http://www.jetsys.de/ |
|JetStat and other Atari| | |
|Fidonet utilities | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|APoint (Author) |P |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm|
| | |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho) |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|CrossPoint |P |("Original" version) |
| | |http://www.crosspoint.de |
| | |http://www.apoint-mail.de |
| | |(OpenXP Projekt) |
| | |http://www.openxp.com (English) |
| | |http://www.openxp.de (German) |
| | |CrossPoint (XP2 Team) |
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| | |http://www.xp2.de |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|WinPoint95 |P |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|The OpenXP CrossPoint |P |http://www.happyarts.de/xp |
|Projekt | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Terminate Terminal |P |http://www.terminate.com |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|PPoint-FTS compatible |P |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm |
|E-Mail System | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
\====================================================================/

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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 | Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
18/500 | Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
103/5 | Mark Luetger | BinkP | CABLE | n/c
103/301 | Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 | Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 | Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 | Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 768k | FREE
106/2000 | Bob Juge | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ??? | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 | Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
134/11 | Michael Grant | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
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aDSL, 60 | n/c
138/146 | Marc Blakely | BinkP,FTP | ??? | n/c
140/1 | Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
142/906 | Chris Griffin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
150/220 | Dave Nemeth | UUE | ??? | n/c
153/7715 | Dallas Hinton | BinkD, FTP | CABLE | ???
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
167/166 | Jesse Dooling | POP? UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c
218/109 | Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c
220/10 | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c
229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? |
229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c
250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c
261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c
275/311 | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1 |n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c
323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
360/5 | Bennie Hutto | FTP VMoT | aDSL | n/c
379/1 | Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkP VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c
396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c
2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c
2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c
2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/1275 | @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek |FTP, BinkD | OC3 n/c
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c
28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c
47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
53/558 |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|??
201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c
201/505 | Goran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k | n/c
211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c
221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c
255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c
263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c
280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c
280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c
292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/534 | Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c
341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | |
341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | |
343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | |
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 | Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | |
348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | |
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c
2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek | FTP, BinkP | 100Mb | n/c
5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c
774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
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Zone 4
801/161 | Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
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Zone 6
65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free
653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free
654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free
654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free

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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* TX = TransX
* NFS = Linux Networking
* ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
* QWK = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable
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news.osirusoft.com
news.tardis.net
nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro
nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro

Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
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irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido,
#fidonet, #wwb
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Nodelist Stats

Input nodelist nodelist.067
size 1129.8kb
date 2002-03-08

The nodelist has 10185 nodes in it
and a total of 13099 non-comment entries

including 6 zones
65 regions
471 hosts
713 hubs
admin overhead 1255 ( 12.32 %)

and 901 private nodes
360 nodes down
398 nodes on hold
off line overhead 1659 ( 16.29 %)

Speed summary:

>9600 = 920 ( 9.03 %)
9600 = 8724 ( 85.66 %)
(HST = 185 or 2.12 %)
(CSP = 1 or 0.01 %)
(PEP = 13 or 0.15 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 1 or 0.01 %)
(V32 = 4885 or 55.99 %)
(V32B = 540 or 6.19 %)
(V34 = 5791 or 66.38 %)
(V42 = 4750 or 54.45 %)
(V42B = 569 or 6.52 %)
2400 = 107 ( 1.05 %)
1200 = 5 ( 0.05 %)
300 = 429 ( 4.21 %)

ISDN = 1095 ( 10.75 %)

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File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems
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XA Frontdoor <1.99b 3741
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
Xenia
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XB Binkleyterm 2.0 9
Dutchie 2.90b
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XC Opus 1.1 10
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XP Seadog 6
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XR Opus 1.03 68
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XW Fido >12M 405
Tabby
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XX D'Bridge 1.30 4506
Frontdoor 1.99b
Intermail 2.01
Tmail
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None QMM 1440
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CrashMail capable = 3374 ( 33.13 %)
MailOnly nodes = 5464 ( 53.65 %)
Listed-only nodes = 783 ( 7.69 %)
Other = 564 ( 5.54 %)

[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]

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