The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 09 04 Mar 2002

The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 09 04 Mar 2002
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Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.

Table of Contents
1. INSIDE ................................................... 1
The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 1
2. EDITORIAL ................................................ 2
The Winter Olympics 2002 ................................. 2
3. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 4
Catcalls from the Cheap Seats ............................ 4
Fidonet returns to Sofia ................................. 5
4. OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER .......................... 7
Column 19 X 9 ............................................ 7
5. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN .......................... 8
Japanese Su Water plus Fried Lotus ....................... 8
6. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ...................................... 9
BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #7 ............................ 9
Good Humor ............................................... 10
Obit Column .............................................. 11
7. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................. 13
Fidonet Software List .................................... 13
8. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 17
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 17
9. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 22
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 22
10. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 24
How to Submit an Article ................................. 24
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 25
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INSIDE
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The Fidonews at a Glance

More on "The Winter Olympics 2002" plus some Scandinavian trivia and
then PeeFour changes once again, in the "Editorial" this week.

"Catcalls..." are once again heard from the cheap seats and then a
short article from Romania, "Fidonet returns to Sofia" (hmmm... I
could've sworn that Sofia was the capital of Bulgaria -- I guess we'll
have to start calling that region Romaria or something like that :) in
the "General Articles" section.

In "Column 19 x 9" Warren Bonner, sends us a short farewell,
hopefully it'll be only a temporary one. Get well real soon Warren, I
really don't know how to fill an issue without all your contributions,
it seems many of the promised articles never make it all the way to
the far North, or maybe the Polar Bears ate the stuff before it made
it to this editors mailbox.

In our "International Kitchen" section, Carol makes "Japanese Su
Water plus Fried Lotus".

The seventh episode of "BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL" (published with
the expressed permission from the author) in the "Clean Jokes..." plus
"Good Humor", another indian story from Ol'wdb. Plus something I read
in the echo FUNNY a couple of months ago, "Obit Column".

In "Fidonet by Internet" the list "Fidonet-related sites" has not
been changed since last week, but I urge those of you that try to send
updates to me, to carefully read the instructions in the beginning of
the list. I really can not make any changes here, since that means
those changes will be lost the next time I get an updated list from
the list keeper. Please send the updates to the proper person!

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EDITORIAL
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The Winter Olympics 2002

Now it's been a week since this year's Winter Olympics ended, and
Sweden is slowly recovering from the numerous shocks of all the
failures our athletes experienced.

Everyone else cheated, that's for sure. The German/Spanish skier
that busted our World Champion in the very first race and spoiled the
rest of the Olympics for him. The NHL bosses, that came up with the
smart way to eliminate our hockey players with such a simple trick as
to put the vital game against Belarus 11 in the morning, a time that
no professional hockey player has played hockey since junior high.

Our catcaller from the cheap seats suggests that it was a payback
for the famous shoot-out of the 1994 (not 1992, Luke!) Olympics of
Lillehammer, Norway, but I think we had our payback time in Nagano
1998, when Sweden lost to Finland in the q-finals and ended seven or
something like that.

Slight comfort is that our neighbours in Norway ended second in the
overall medal count, only surpassed by a tiny margin by Germany. Best
thing for Sweden would now be to invade Norway and then immediately
surrender. That way we would gain a) lot's of more medals in the next
Winter Olympics, b) loads of cheap North Sea oil and c) getting out of
this f*cking European Union.

Few of you may know it, but Sweden, Norway and Denmark all have the
same currency. A couple of decades ago the Swedish "krona" was worth
some 25% more than that of Denmark and Norway. Now the situation is
the opposite after our politicians have run our economy down the
drains.

But our three countries still rank high among the richest countries
in the world, so a Nordic union between our countries would have made
up an economic union that could have been more successful in world
economy than now, when two of us (Sweden and Denmark) sends billions
of Kronor to the South European countries with almost nothing in
return, and Norway is outside.

We also speak almost the same language; we have less trouble
understanding each other, than we have understanding some of the odd
dialects of our own countrymen. Go figure what our politicians had in
mind when they decided we'd better join the European Union...

Speaking of our catcaller, by the way, this week he mocks the
persons that try to make the very first change to PeeFour known to
mankind, in all of history, for 50 years and so on and so on. Well Mr
Catcaller, if you could take out your fingers from your mouth for just
a couple of seconds, and stop that infernal noise, we could tell you
some things about "psychological barriers" and other stuff that may be
a big reason for PeeFour being the concrete block it now is considered
to be.
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Once we make it from 4.07 to 4.08 we all know it's possible, and
nothing will stop us from going on. It's somehow like Bob Beamond's
famous long jump, some time limits for runners and swimmers, and so
on. Once the limit is broken, there's really no big deal for the rest
of the gang to keep on breaking it and to continue to strive for the
next "unreachable" limit.

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GENERAL ARTICLES
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Catcalls from the Cheap Seats
By Luke Kolin

Let me send my condolences to our still cheerful editor - I really
don't know what caused the Swedish Olympic hockey team to choke the
way they did the other day against Belarus. To be fair to the Swedes,
I consider it nothing more than payback to Canada, after the
disgraceful performance called a shoutout in the 1992 gold medal game.
It continues to amaze me that international ice hockey would use a
device like a shootout instead of a good old fashioned 'win it on the
ice' overtime. I am led to compare this to basketball using free
throws to settle a hard fought game, or baseball using a home run
derby after the ninth inning to finish the game in case of a tie.
Ludicrous.

A few years ago, I had the pleasure of watching the opening period of
an NHL playoff game between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, before going
out for dinner. 90 minutes later, my wife and I returned home and I
turned on the TV to see who won. To my pleasant surprise, the game was
still going on in the second overtime period, with no goals scored
since I left. No more goals were scored until near the end of the
fifth overtime period - at which point Jaromir Jagr was skating as
quickly as an artereosclerotic sixty year old with a three packs a day
cigarette habit. Wonderful to watch.

Now that the world is yet again in alignment since my native country
has defeated the US in every head-to-head competition on ice (curling
and hockey) and eliminated a 50-year wait for results, let us turn our
attention to the 50-year wait to get Policy4 amended to something that
remotely reflects real life.

Bob Short has paid this commentator the ultimate compliment - he's
taken notice of my column, well maybe only the title. There's nothing
more that hecklers like myself fear more than being ignored, and the
feedback is wonderful. That all being said, I really wonder if Bob
actually read my column. If he did, I have grave concerns about his
ability to comprehend what I suggested.

His demand that 'If you're not part of the [ie. my] solution, shut up
and let me go forward' is laughable when you consider that people like
myself have been making suggestions and demands for something
approaching a decade. Sysop-level participation and ratification of
Policy has been a demand of sysops and a significant minority of *Cs
since about a week after P4 was implemented. And every year, we see a
blow-up like the installation of the Quisling RC12 that's the result
of an anal-retentive *C with too much of a love for 'order'.

What's kept this commentator rolling out of his cheap seat with mirth
is the notion that previous policy changes were too expansive and
ambitious, and that future changes (like the one he suggests) should
be 'small changes', in an evolutionary manner. Let me be blunt, Bob.
The change you advocate is not a 'small change'. It is no change. You
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are asking the *Cs to amend policy to state that only the *Cs can
amend policy. Bravo! Is your idea of a big change to suggest that Hub
Co-ordinators be given the franchise?

I can't help but notice that Bob has utterly failed to address any of
the suggestions I've made. Why can't we extend the franchise to
sysops? Why can't sysops initiate amendments to policy without
requiring the RCC? Why must FidoNet continue to operate in a top-down
hierarchical structure, when the history of computing for the past
thirty years has been in a direction away from this very model? Bob's
quiet, because what he suggests has no merit. It is the status quo. It
does nothing.

Warren Bonner does exactly the same thing. He claims that the
suggested change will make it easier to amend policy. How on Earth can
this be the case, when the change merely ratifies the situation AS IT
WAS IN 1992? "New Area"? Same old, same old, Warren. Despite Wulf
Krueger's admonition, I can't help but bring in the Nazi theme again
by quoting the good Dr. Goebbels, whose famous dictum held that a lie
repeated often enough becomes the truth. That's exactly what's
happening here.

To claim that the changes provide for sysop participation in the
amendment process is patently untrue. To claim that the changes make
it easier to amend policy is patently untrue. If you say this and know
it to be untrue, you are lying to your peers. If you believe it,
you're lying to yourself. I am unsure which is worse, but they are
lies all the same and someone is bound to be disappointed.

Warren talks about having an open mind and discussing all points of
view. They need to be analysed and dissected and evaluated as to their
value. Well, Messers Bonner and Short, analyse this! It's been argued
that the policy changes merely ratify the status quo. You've not seen
fit to refute this, or you are unable to. It's been argued that sysops
should be able to initiate policy amendments. You've not seen fit to
articulate any good reasons why this is a bad idea. You just ignore
the questions raised, hoping if you say the same tired old falsehoods
like the politicians do every Sunday morning the unquestioning public
will thank you for not making them think for themselves.

The gauntlet has been thrown, gentlemen. There's an alternative on the
table, and you haven't thus far had the courage or the facts to defend
your own non-proposal. Or were those lofty thoughts about discussing
all points of view limited to discussing the good points of your own
status quo proposal?

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Fidonet returns to Sofia
(translation from an article on Internet newspaper, Bulgaria)

A new Fidonet entry point was founded in Sofia. This way everyone who
owns a computer and a modem can take advantage of the services of
Fidonet - send and receive electronic mail for free, participate in
topical newsgroups, communicate directly with other Fido users,
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download files. Anyone who wishes to join FidoNet has to contact the
FidoNet coordinator for Bulgaria, Petko Bossakov, and his Chernobyl's
BBS.

Fidonet is run completely by hobbyists and almost all systems in the
network are actually home computers. The network was founded in 1984
in the USA by Tom Jennings and lived through its "golden age" in the
beginning of the 90s. As the web browser appeared in 1995, however,
Fidonet started to decline in favor of the much more attractive and
slick World Wide Web. In Bulgaria Fidonet has existed since 1990, but
in 1998 the last remained Bulgarian BBSes stopped working, because
there was nobody who could continue, says Petko Bossakov. Currently in
Sofia there is no other entry point and the users of the network are
no more than 10 people, but he hopes that soon other nodes will be
founded in Sofia and the rest of the country, as there are people who
are interested in the free services of the network. Over the world the
BBSes connected to Fidonet are about 13 000, Petko Bossakov recites
the newest data. At the moment Fidonet faces the problem on continuing
its existence in the future. There is a discussion about regulating
the new Internet-only nodes, how to update the documents that regulate
the network, how to attract and keep users. One of the possible
solutions is that the BBSes could step forward as a more secure, safe
and controlled virtual environment, as an alternative to the wild
Internet.

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OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER
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Column 19 X 9
[email protected]

17 X 40 was my first edition of the Snooze as editor. Today is my
last issue as a columnist, for eye surgery is again in my future next
week. I think it only fair to let my readers know rather than just
drop out of sight. Thank you for your e-mails, echo mails and kind
remarks left for me to find on my BBS. I will continue to submit a
funny once in a while with hopes that it will make you laugh, when
eyesight is mended again. I am very tired of one eyed reading and
having to get the magnifying glass fixed just so. So goodbye my many
friends, will see you in the echoes up to my surgery. March 7 is
scheduled unless it is changed by the VA Eye Clinic.

With Warm Regards,
Ol'wdb

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FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN
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Su Water

9 x Water
1 x Vinegar

Su water is a mix of vinegar and water, used in japan to tenderize
vegetables. 10-20% vinegar is added to water.

This refreshes vegetables or keeps freshly cut ones of a starchy
nature from turning brown/grey before cooking and while chopping the
rest.

-----

Fried Lotus

1/2 lb Lotus root, peeled/sliced
4 c Su water (see other recipe)
1/4 c Potato starct (or flour)
Oil for deep frying

One day a friend was sitting UTGT and read a note I wrote and
laughed. I'd encountered an ugly brown root that when sliced, had a
lovely flower-like pattern inside. Ah my friend had a nice laugh most
likely as I tried to explain it, and a canadian Loo was also cackling
with glee <grin>.

Let me explain that I'm not actually stupid (even if I sound a bit
ditzy at times) but when presented with an ugly brown thing that
looked like a tree root as thick as my upper arm, I was a bit taken
aback at the idea of eating it!

Today I tried it. *scrumptilicious*. Slice after peeling, dunking
slices in su water. When all sliced, flour then fry like a potato.
More flavor than a potato and quite decorative looking!

Komban Wa Y'all!
xxcarol
Carol Shenkenberger
6:730/275

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CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
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BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #7

I put the phone back on the hook, and straight away it rings. I hate
it when it does that, it takes me AGES to get my walkman phones in.

It's the hottest hosemonster I've ever met, and she's got a computer
problem! I love it when that happens!

"What's your username?" I ask

She tells me (as if I didn't know)

Quick as I can I read all her e-mail (mostly boring stuff), then grep
everyone else's mail files for her username. Nothing. Excellent!

"What's the problem?" I ask, all smiles and charm.

"I can't save my documents, it says something about space."

"Not a problem for long" I say, and delete everyone else on the same
disk as her. "You should be fine now.."

"Thank you so much" she gushes. I make a mental note to do something
to her account again tomorrow. "No worries."

The phone rings almost before I've got it on the hook.

"My files are all gone!" a voice whines out at me.

"When did this happen?" I ask.

"Just now..." he says, through the tears

"I see. Well, I wouldn't worry, there's three days till the end of
the semester, if you work day and night until then, you should get at
least a C-"

He sobs a couple more times then hangs up. What a wimp.

THE PHONE RINGS AGAIN!

"The screen on my PC is really dim" The woman at the other end says
"Should I wind the brightness knob up?"

"NO!" I scream "Don't touch that knob! Have you any idea of the
radiation that comes out of that thing when the knob gets wound
up?!!!!"

"Well I..." she says, all uncertain

"TAKE MY ADVICE!" I say "There's only ONE way to fix a dim display,
and that's by power surging the drivers"
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The words "power surging" and "drivers" have got her. People hear
words like that and go into dummy mode and do ANYTHING you say. I
could tell her to run naked across campus with a powercord rammed up
her backside and she'd probably do it... Hmmm...

"Have you got a spare power cord?"

"No.."

"Oh well, never mind, we'll have to do the power surge idea... Ok,
quick as you can, I want you to flick the power switch of your PC on
and off 30 times"

"Should I take my disks out?"

"NO! Do you want to lose all your data!?!"

"Oh. No! Ok.."

I listen carefully.. ..

...clicky..clikcy...clikky.. .. .. ...clicky. ...cliccy.. . .
BOOM!

Amazing, it probably made it to 27 - the power supply usually shits
itself at 15 or so...

"MY COMPUTER BLEW UP!!!" she screams at me down the line

"Really? Must've been a dodgy power supply! Lucky we found out now!
Is your machine still under warranty?"

"NO!"

"Dear oh dear. Well, Best get it repaired then. Did you backup your
files?"

"Yes, to the system, Yesterday, but all this morning's work is gone!"

"Oh dear. What was your username, I'll just check that your backups
worked ok?"

She tells me....

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Good Humor
By Warren Bonner
<[email protected]>

The old Cherokee chief sat in his reservation hut, smoking the
ceremonial pipe, eyeing the two US government officials sent to
interview him.

"Chief Two Eagles," one official began, "you have observed the white
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man for many generations, you have seen his wars and his products,
you have seen all his progress, and all his problems."

The chief nodded. The official continued, "Considering recent events,
in your opinion, where has the white man gone wrong?"

The chief stared at the government officials for over a minute, and
then calmly replied. "When white man found the land, Indians were
running it. No taxes. No debt. Plenty buffalo, Plenty beaver. Women
did most of the work. Medicine man free. Indian men hunted and fished
all the time".

The chief smiled, and added quietly, "White man dumb enough to think
he could improve system like that."

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Two elderly women were eating breakfast in a restaurant one morning.

Ethel noticed something funny about Mabel's ear and she said, "Mable,
did you know you've got a suppository in your left ear?"

Mable answered, "I have? A suppository?" She pulled it out and stared
at it. Then she said, "Ethel, I'm glad you saw this thing. Now I think
I know where my hearing aid is."

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Obit Column
(from the Fidonet echo FUNNY)

Jake and Saul are two old retired widowers who reside close to each
other and do constant welfare checks on each other. Much of their
relationship is based on pragmatism rather than real friendship or
personal affection.

One day, as he drinks his morning coffee, Saul opens the morning paper
and turns to the Obits page.

He gets the shock of his life when he sees his own obituary in the
column. He realizes that the query for info on him by the local
newspaper several months earlier, was in preparation for this event.
He correctly surmises that it is a mistaken entry from their database,
premature and erroneous..

It still excites and rankles him, so he calls Jake up. "Jake, are you
up yet?"

Jake sleepily answers, "Yeah, but I'm only now starting my coffee."

"Jake. open the newspaper to page 31."

"Why, what's in the paper?"

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"Jake, get the paper and open it to page 31 NOW!"

"Ok, Ok, I've got the paper here, so what's in page 31?"

"Jake, open the paper to page 31 already!"

"All right, don't be such a pain in the butt so early in the morning
already. So, what's on page 31 that's so important?"

"Jake, look at the bottom of column 4."

"Why? What's that story on?"

"Jake, read the story on the bottom of the column already!"

"OK, OK, I'll start reading the column if you stop yelling in my ear!"

The paper rustles for a few seconds, then a long silent pause ensues.

Finally, Jake comes on the line quietly and fearfully, "So Saul, where
are you calling me from right now?"

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TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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Fidonet Software List
By Todd Cochrane
Type:

B=BBS D=Door M=Mailer T=Tosser C=Communication (terminal)
U=Utility P=Point Software I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...)

<+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
( Software Name ) |Type| ( Author/Contact )
<+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
|BBBS Home Page |B | [email protected] |
| | | www.bbbs.net/ |
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|ELEBBS The Elevator |B | [email protected] |
|Software Production | | www.elebbs.com |
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|Hermes II Project |B | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.hermesii.org/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Maximus BBS Support |B | [email protected] |
|Page (Non Official) | | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|MBSE BBS |B | Michiel Broek |
| | | [email protected] |
| | | http://mbse.sourceforge.net |
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|Mystic BBS |B | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/ |
| | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Nexus Bulletin |B | [email protected] |
|Board System | | http://www.nexusbbs.net/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Proboard, Searchlight, |BC | [email protected] |
|Telegrafix | | http://www.telegrafix.com |
|Communications | | 540-678-4050 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|RemoteAccess |B | Bruce Morse |
|Central | | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.rapro.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Spitfire BBS |B | [email protected] |
|Buffalo Creek Software | |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Synchronet BBS |BT | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.synchro.net |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Telegard BBS |B | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.telegard.net/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Wildcat Interactive |BTMI| [email protected] |
|Net Server | | http://www.santronics.com |
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|Plantinum Express | |(305)248-3204 |
| | | Santronics Inc. |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Bentstone Capabilities |D | [email protected] |
|Group | | http://www.srupc.com/mall |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Jibben Software |D | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|JNS Software Door Games|D | Rusty Johnson |
| | | [email protected] |
| | | 304-733-0113 |
| | | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Legend Of The Red |D | |
|Dragon Reborn | | |
|(L.O.R.D.) | | http://www.lordlegacy.org/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|PC Pursuits |D |[email protected] |
| | |(301)240-6653 |
| | |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|S and T Software |D |Mark Bappe |
| | |[email protected] |
| | |(770)788-6843 |
| | |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Shinning Star BBS Doors|D |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Sunrise Door Software |D |Al Lawerence |
| | |[email protected] |
| | |(404)256-9518 |
| | |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|The Brainex System |D |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Trade Wars Door Game |D |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ |
| | |1:299/110 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Vagabond Software |D |Bryan Turner |
| | |[email protected] |
| | |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/ |
| | |1:124/7013 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|FMail Support |T |[email protected] |
| | |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/ |
| | |2:280/1076 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Squish Tosser |T |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Argus RITLABS |M |[email protected] |
| | |373-2-246889 |
| | |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ |
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| | |2:469/84 |
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|FrontDoor |MTPC|Definite Solutions |
|FrontDoor APX | |[email protected] |
|Mailer/Point Software | |http://www.defsol.se/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|BeeMail Home Page |M |http://beemail.gexonline.net |
| | |Stephen Proffit |
| | |1:211/405 |
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|BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/ |
|Frontend Mailer | | |
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|BinkD |MI |[email protected] |
| | |http://2f.ru/binkd/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Fidogate |UIT |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.fidogate.org/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Fidonet to Internet |IM |Bo Bendtsen |
|Mailer | |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|GiGo Software |UI |http://www.gigo.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Internet Rex |IM |[email protected] |
| | |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Tmail |IM |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm |
|(Russian /w English DL)| | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|TransX Multiboard |M |[email protected] |
|Communications Inc. | |http://www.multiboard.com/software/ |
| | |transx.html |
| | |1:2401/305 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|TransNet |I |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Watergate |I |[email protected] |
| | |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU |http://www.jetsys.de/ |
|JetStat and other Atari| | |
|Fidonet utilities | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|APoint (Author) |P |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm|
| | |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho) |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|CrossPoint |P |("Original" version) |
| | |http://www.crosspoint.de |
| | |http://www.apoint-mail.de |
| | |(OpenXP Projekt) |
| | |http://www.openxp.com (English) |
| | |http://www.openxp.de (German) |
| | |CrossPoint (XP2 Team) |
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| | |http://www.xp2.de |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|WinPoint95 |P |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|The OpenXP CrossPoint |P |http://www.happyarts.de/xp |
|Projekt | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Terminate Terminal |P |http://www.terminate.com |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|PPoint-FTS compatible |P |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm |
|E-Mail System | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 | Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
18/500 | Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
103/5 | Mark Luetger | BinkP | CABLE | n/c
103/301 | Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 | Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 | Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 | Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/2000 | Bob Juge | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ??? | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 | Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
134/11 | Michael Grant | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
aDSL, 60 | n/c
FIDONEWS 19-09 Page 19 4 Mar 2002

138/146 | Marc Blakely | BinkP,FTP | ??? | n/c
140/1 | Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
142/906 | Chris Griffin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
150/220 | Dave Nemeth | UUE | ??? | n/c
153/7715 | Dallas Hinton | BinkD, FTP | CABLE | ???
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
167/166 | Jesse Dooling | POP? UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c
218/109 | Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c
220/10 | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c
229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? |
229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c
250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c
261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c
275/311 | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1 |n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c
323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
360/5 | Bennie Hutto | FTP VMoT | aDSL | n/c
379/1 | Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkP VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c
396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c
2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c
2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c
2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/1275 | @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek |FTP, BinkD | OC3 n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c
28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c
47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c
201/505 | Goran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c
221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
FIDONEWS 19-09 Page 20 4 Mar 2002

252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c
255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c
263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c
280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c
280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c
292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/534 | Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c
341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | |
341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | |
343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | |
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 | Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | |
348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | |
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/558 | Vlad Hrusca | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c
2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek | FTP, BinkP | 100Mb | n/c
5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
FIDONEWS 19-09 Page 21 4 Mar 2002

5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 3
633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c
774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 4
801/161 | Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 6
65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free
653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free
654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free
654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free

--
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* TX = TransX
* NFS = Linux Networking
* ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
* QWK = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable
----------------------------------------------
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SPECIAL INTEREST
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Nodelist Stats

Input nodelist nodelist.060
size 1131.2kb
date 2002-03-01

The nodelist has 10213 nodes in it
and a total of 13116 non-comment entries

including 6 zones
65 regions
470 hosts
713 hubs
admin overhead 1254 ( 12.28 %)

and 901 private nodes
350 nodes down
398 nodes on hold
off line overhead 1649 ( 16.15 %)

Speed summary:

>9600 = 920 ( 9.01 %)
9600 = 8749 ( 85.67 %)
(HST = 185 or 2.11 %)
(CSP = 1 or 0.01 %)
(PEP = 13 or 0.15 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 1 or 0.01 %)
(V32 = 4908 or 56.10 %)
(V32B = 540 or 6.17 %)
(V34 = 5798 or 66.27 %)
(V42 = 4758 or 54.38 %)
(V42B = 570 or 6.52 %)
2400 = 107 ( 1.05 %)
1200 = 5 ( 0.05 %)
300 = 432 ( 4.23 %)

ISDN = 1096 ( 10.73 %)

----------------------------------------------------------
File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems
----------------------------------------------------------
XA Frontdoor <1.99b 3757
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
Xenia
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FIDONEWS 19-09 Page 23 4 Mar 2002

XB Binkleyterm 2.0 9
Dutchie 2.90b
--------------------------------------
XC Opus 1.1 10
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XP Seadog 6
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XR Opus 1.03 68
--------------------------------------
XW Fido >12M 404
Tabby
--------------------------------------
XX D'Bridge 1.30 4516
Frontdoor 1.99b
Intermail 2.01
Tmail
--------------------------------------
None QMM 1443
--------------------------------------

CrashMail capable = 3379 ( 33.09 %)
MailOnly nodes = 5484 ( 53.70 %)
Listed-only nodes = 787 ( 7.71 %)
Other = 563 ( 5.51 %)

[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]

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