The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 08 25 Feb 2002

The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 08 25 Feb 2002
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Table of Contents
1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
2. INSIDE ................................................... 2
The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 2
3. EDITORIAL ................................................ 3
Echo terrorists .......................................... 3
4. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 4
What is a law? ........................................... 4
5. REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ........................... 6
Cheap Catcalls (or How to bring down a High) ............. 6
Computer Nazi Bulletin Board Systems ..................... 6
6. OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER .......................... 8
The Olympics ............................................. 8
7. GETTING FIDONET TECHNICAL ................................ 10
Virus Worm Alert ......................................... 10
8. HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN ..................................... 11
Fidonet Prayer ........................................... 11
9. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN .......................... 13
Japanese Special Udon Nabe ............................... 13
10. POET'S CORNER ........................................... 15
Choices .................................................. 15
11. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ..................................... 17
BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #6 ............................ 17
Set It Free .............................................. 18
4 jokes .................................................. 19
12. FIDONET CLASSIFIED ADS .................................. 22
No 23 Female with new website ............................ 22
13. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................ 23
Fidonet Software List .................................... 23
14. FIDONET BY INTERNET ..................................... 27
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 27
15. SPECIAL INTEREST ........................................ 32
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 32
16. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 34
And more!
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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NEVER try to upgrade your system when you are looking at a deadline.

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INSIDE
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The Fidonews at a Glance

In the "Editorial" this week I vent some thoughts about those persons,
that may be one of the major reasons we no longer can keep the
writers, that once made Fidonet so great, in "Echo terrorists".

In the "General Articles" section Henk den Adel ask the question if
P4 really is a law, like some people seem to think our beloved policy
is, in "What is a law?".

In "Rebuttals" Bob Short has a rebut on, I guess, Luke's Catcalls,
in "Cheap Catcalls (or How to bring down a High)". The second rebut,
"Computer Nazi Bulletin Board Systems" is the kind of article I think
I promised last week I wouldn't publish, but since it's written in
exactly the same sentiment as my motivation not to publish any more
Nazi articles, I think it has a place in the Snooze.

In "The Olympics" Warren Bonner, among other things, compares the
Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City with the situation in R12. And later
on, in "Getting technical", he gives us a tip on how to avoid those
dreaded email worms in "Virus Worm Alert", plus in "Humor in a Fido
Vein" we recieve a "Fidonet Prayer". Also, for the section "Poet's
Corner", our productive Editor Emiritus sent us "Choices".

In our "International Kitchen" section, Carol makes "Japanese
Special Udon Nabe".

The sixth episode of "BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL" (published with
the expressed permission from the author) in the "Clean Jokes..." plus
"Set It Free", an, well, I'm not quite sure how to describe it, you'd
better figure it out for yourself. Henk den Adel sent in a compilation
of four jokes, that may give you an idea about what the Dutch think is
funny.

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EDITORIAL
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Echo terrorists

The theories about why Fidonet is going down the drains have been
numerous. Most of them take aim at Policy 4 and FTS, but can we really
blaim everything on the policy and the outdated techology? No, of
course not!

This editor thinks that the main reason for the demise is a handful
of echo terrorists effectivly scaring off all the good writers, that
we once had, from our echoes.

We are all too familiar with them. Some of the good remaining
writers spend lots of time producing a good posting, that some other
good writers can continue upon, but all of a sudden one of those echo
terrorists shows up, together with his friends (without whom he would
be nothing) and picks up some small part of the great posting, to
which he starts picking on and starts bashing about. Soon he have his
handful of terrorist friends he brings along, spinning away on this
minor detail, sometimes a stupid thing like a misspelt word, sometimes
just a small part of a sentence, that really meant nothing to the
total picture.

Since they do not spend a single moment on research or anything
even similar to afterthoughts, they can produce dozens of comments in
just a couple of minutes, spamming the echo with their nonproductive
trash, which of course in itself is an insult to the writers, that may
be spending an hour or so on just one posting.

The persons that originally looked forward to the ongoing debate,
naturally get tired of spending all this effort on postings, while the
terrorists, who's mental capacity is far beyond any constructive
thoughts, and only are capable of negativisms, bad quoting and
bashings, take over the echo, effectivly lowering the signal-to-noice
ratio to a level where all serious writers decide to leave the echo
for any remaining one, where the terrorists still have not found their
way - yet.

The only way to get Fidonet on it's feet once again, is, IMHO, to
spot the terrorists and ban them from Fidonet. How this is best
achieved is of course not an easy task to solve.

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GENERAL ARTICLES
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What is a law?
by Henk den Adel, 2:280/6415

Let's get philosophical. The renowned Policy 4 is seen by the FIDO
bosses as an eternal law. Nothing is more besides the truth than that.
What is commonly seen as a law, is nothing more than an agreement.
There are huge differences between an agreement and a law:
- Agreements can be broken, laws can not.
- Agreements are local, laws are universal.
- Agreements can be modernised, laws can not.

As an example lets consider the 'law' which regulates speeding. First
of all it can be broken, so it isn't an law. Each Sunday morning
around three o'clock a motorcycle, apparently without a muffler, comes
home in an urban environment. There is nobody on the road, so it
speeds. Each Sunday morning the driver breaks the agreement not to
speed within the city limits. At the split second the driver breaks
the agreement, there is nobody to stop him. Furthermore the agreement
is local, the same speed outside the city limits is allowed.

E.g. consider the Pauli principle. It states that no fermions can have
the same quantum numbers. (A fermion is an atomic or subatomic
particle with a spin which is an odd multiple of 1/2). Although the
concept of subatomic particles is the result of human imagination,
this Pauli principle is a real law, since it can not be broken.
Furthermore it is universal, independent of ideology. It is not only
valid in Sweden, but also in Kuwait, India, Khmer, China and Vanutu.
Moreover it is known to be valid at least in our galaxy, neutron stars
do not implode due to the Pauli principle.

Agreements are called social laws, depending on the social system like
ideology and religion in a country. If exported to a country with a
different social system, it crashes. Muslim laws forbid the drinking
of alcohol. Jewish laws forbid the eating of meat of pigs. Hindu laws
forbid the eating of meat of cows. If these laws are exported to e.g.
Germany, where the native population eats the meat of pigs and cows
and drinks alcohol, these laws will meet a wide spread disagreement.
Nobody will abide these laws.

The same occurs if a government introduces a social law which does not
have its common approval in society. Since social laws are just an
agreement, they can be broken and since some of them are wide spread
disapproved, they will be broken, not once, but on a regular basis.
This may lead to the disintegration of a social system. E.g. the
introduction of a particularly unpopular tax in the 16th century has
lead to the independence of the Netherlands.

The advantage of agreements is that they can be broken. If there is a
common feeling that an old agreement is no long of this time, it can
be replaced by a new agreement. Pauli's principle can not be
modernised, if we on earth decide that it is no longer valid, we can
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not universally abolish it. Neutron stars all over the universe will
not collapse, merely by the fact earth thinks it is a good idea to
abolish the Pauli principle.

Now back to the Fidonet basics. There is a discussion about Policy 4:
to alter or not to alter. P4 is an agreement. In its early days it
looked common sense, especially for those who wrote the articles.
Since P4 was conceived to be a local agreement, it did not matter that
it was a Xerox copy of the society in which the drafters lived: an
oligarchy. What went wrong was the fact that due to contact with
countries at the other side of the Atlantic and Pacific ocean, the
oligarchistic nature of Policy 4 was exported to democratic nations
with a negative opinion on oligarchy. The common agreement was
missing, just like introducing Muslim, Jewish and Hindu laws in
Germany. Common sense says: modernise it, make it democratic, remove
archaic articles. Others say: these are the rules, P4 is the law.

Changing P4 is really easy: start your favourite word processor and
start typing. Finding wide spread acceptance for a new P4 is more
difficult. It is feasible, since by changing P4 neutron stars will not
collapse, the polar caps will not melt, Saturn will not loose its
splendid rings, the earth will not stop rotating. Remember, P4 is just
an agreement, written on a scrap of paper.

But whatever the contents of P4 will be, it will hardly influence the
future of Fidonet.

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REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES
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Cheap Catcalls (or How to bring down a High)
By: Bob Short
1:105/38
[email protected]

Ah, here we go again. Time for another semi-perennial policy parade.
Seems the same floats are entered each time, chalk full of proponants
and choke full of detractors. What the latter missed this time was
the route the procession has taken, and are once again steadfastly
self- propelled toward the same old de-staging area: an empty parking
lot on the corner of 12th and Itoldyouso. There, their canned clamor
can careem calamitously in the contentious chorus' of "change can't
be accomplished". But they'll likely be the only ones to hear it,
since the actual destination will be over on the other side of town
near the intersection of 5th and Wellwhatdoyaknow.

You see boys and girls, our effort is being (or hoped to be)
approached in a different light, stressing small changes in how policy
is amended, instead of the usual "let's delete the *C's" or "scrap the
whole thing and write a new one" mentality. Those, and similar
concepts have always been doomed to failer, reaching too far too fast,
and threatening the whole *C structure with emminent demise. Would
*you* be willing to up and vote yourself out of office, even if the
threat was only percieved?

It is quite possible that a good share of failer previous attempts
have suffered is due in no small part by the drone of a very vocal
minority who complain, gripe, moan and groan about how unfair or
outdated policy is, yet are the same ones that decry how change as
impossible. Some of these malcontents (you know who you are) are just
as vocal about the demise of Fidonet and BBSing. These are the same
ones who propogate their doomday debauchery in the precise echos that
their users visit.

The bottom line is... if you're not a part of the solution, but are
rather one of the naysayers, sit down and shut up and allow those who
care do what they can to save your hobby. If your are one of the
silent majority, and are interested in what's happening, you are
encouraged to link to the FIDOPOLS echo, where changes will be debated
at the node level. There are some discussions in the FIDO_SYSOP echo
also. Whatever your feelings or involvement, at least netmail your
RC's and let them know that you either support amendment(s) to Policy
4.07 or not. Let your voice be heard. You'd be suprised who's
willing to listen.

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A short comment to "Computer Nazi Bulletin Board Systems"
Wulf C. Krueger, 2:2437/209

The title of this article in FidoNews 19-06 made me think of fascist
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groups all over the world that indeed were once misusing FidoNet for
their disgusting causes.

I read the whole article but even after the first few lines it became
evident that the author did not think about those. In fact, it was
very clear to me that this was another perfect example of an IMHO
inacceptable use of the term "Nazi".

Dear reader, have a look at the nodelist. I'm a European sysop, I'm a
German sysop. Most of you, if not all, know that the rightly so-called
Nazis were in power in Germany from 1933 to 1945. Some of you might
have suffered losses from them. As a German, 26 years old, I still
feel deep bitter shame for the terror that orgininated from my country
and that did cost the lives of millions of innocent people. Be them
Jews, Sinti and Roma or the the people of Europe which lay in
devastation after World War II. It were my ancestors too that let this
happen. It is our responsibility, dear readers, to make sure our
children won't ever forget about. It is especially our, the German
people's responsibility.

Back to the article I want to comment on. I read the term "Nazi" all
over it. What David Hagar means using that term is clear to me and
even clearer is for me that using the term "Nazi" in that context
*greatly* and *annoyingly* reduces the true nature of the word. Using
it to describe those people David means to reduce mass-murderers to
idiots. Self-importance and self-rigtheousness has *nothing* to do
with being a Nazi.

A *real* Nazi strives to complete what that murderous government of
Germany from 1933 to 1945 failed at. A Nazi might be called the person
who burned the house of a foreign family in Germany a few years ago.
Several people were killed in the fire. Nazis might be called those
murderers who chased the foreign father of a family to death in
Germany a while later. *Those* might be called Nazis.

Please, dear reader, reconsider *very* hard before you ever use the
term "Nazi". Think about the millions of victims of the real Nazis in
Germany and the whole of Europe. Have a look at the pictures of the
German concentration camps when they were freed. Visit them if you
ever come to Germany. Think about the pain you might still inflict by
misusing the term.

And *then*, if you *really* feel it to be true to its terrible, real
meaning, *then* and then *only* use the term "Nazi".

Wulf Krueger from Germany, Europe of 2:2437/209

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OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER
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The Olympics
[email protected]

Today the Olympic news is full of the athletes in Salt Lake, Utah!
There seems to be as much turmoil in the judging, turmoil in the
arenas and turmoil among the athletes themselves. Much like the
fidonet in region twelve, zone one. The gold in the games has gone to
different players then anticipated. Example, the French Judge was
dismissed because she traded some votes, the Korean fast skater lost
it and took out several other skaters yards before the finish line,
and the gold went to someone else, and the ladies performance in the
beautiful ice skating gave the gold to the fourth runner up lady,
shutting out Miss Kwan who was favored to win. Now the gold is given
to two parties in one account, while perused by other countries on
events since then. The Olympics sound much like R12 Fidonet!!! Or
vise versa. 8^)

The SysOps are plowing new ground in the FidoPols echo. Some have
dared to put their thoughts on the monitor screen! The object is to
make the changes to Policy 4.07 easier to come by. If the changes are
accepted by the RCC and ratified by the *C's, we will be in a new area
of Fidonet. Communication is the key word in Fidonet. Some old time
SysOps see a POTS connection as the only connection. Techniques have
promoted that function from 300 baud back in 1985 to 56kbaud in 2000.
All were good for those folks. Now from 2000 on we have had cable and
ADSL lines to most homes. These put the speed up to real time and
make old POTS look like a slow older man.

The Internet also came on strong for the past few years. In fact it
became the transportation for the echo communications and dashed CRP
out of sight in less then five years. Where it used to take thirty
minutes to an hour to download some files, it is done in seconds and a
minute or two now. And all free of CRP!

So many things have advanced, that some things in Policy 4.07 are left
in the dust. Is there a real need for a ZMH any more? Many of the
older systems say `yes' loudly. So, we have flags don't we? Always
plan so the sock will fit any situation with proper software. Never
the less time moves on, and we must keep up with the new changes or
lose our Fidonet.

If changes are made to Policy, and they protect the POTS and also take
care of the new DSL and Cable modems, that would be a blessing for
everyone. There is much work to do, and all must have a open mind to
others point of view. That said, once others points of view are
examined, found to be built on true information, should be accepted;
and untrue or partial misinformation should be dropped. That is a
hard thing for some to comprehend and stay friends. But it is the
right thing to no matter who you are.

Warm regards,
Ol'wdb
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GETTING FIDONET TECHNICAL
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Virus Worm Alert
Ingenious

I learned a computer trick today that's really ingenious in its
simplicity.

As you may know, when/if a worm virus gets into your computer it heads
straight for your email address book and sends itself to everyone in
there, thus infecting all your friends and associates.

This trick won't keep the virus from getting into your computer, but
it will stop it from using your address book to spread further, and it
will alert you to the fact that the worm has gotten into your system.

Here's what you do: Open your address book and click on "new contact"
or "new person" just as you would do if you were adding a new friend
to your list of email addresses.

In the window where you would type your friend's FIRST name, type in
!000 (an exclamation mark followed by 3 zeros).

In the window below where it prompts you to enter the new email
address, type in Worm Alert. Then complete everything by clicking
add, enter, OK, etc.

Now, here's what you've done and why it works: The "name" !000 will be
placed at the top of your address book as entry #1. This will be where
the worm will start in an effort to send itself to all your friends.
But when it tries to send itself to !000, it will be 'undeliverable'
because of the phony email address you entered (Worm Alert). If the
first attempt fails (which it will because of the phony address), the
worm goes no further and your friends will not be infected.

The second great advantage of this method: If an email cannot be
delivered, you will be notified of this in your 'Inbox' almost
immediately. Hence, if you ever get an email telling you that an email
addressed to 'Worm Alert' could not be delivered, you know right away
that you have the worm virus in your system. You can then take steps
to get rid of it!

Pretty slick huh? If everybody we know does this, then we needn't ever
worry about opening mail from our friends. Let's pass this on to all
about whom we care.

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HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN
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Fidonet Prayer
[email protected]

Dear Lord:
Every single evening
As I'm lying here in bed,
This tiny little prayer
Keeps running through my head.

God bless my mom and dad,
And Fidonet family too.
Keep them warm and safe from harm
For they're so close to me.

And God, there is one more thing
I wish that you could do.
Hope you don't mind me asking,
Bless my good old computer too.

Now I know that it's not normal
To bless a mother board,
But listen just a second
While I explain to you 'My Lord.'

You see, that little metal box
Holds more than odds & ends.
Inside those small compartments,
Rest so many of my FIDO-FRIENDS.

I know so much about them
By the kindness that they give,
And this little scrap of metal
Takes me in to where they live.

By faith is how I know them,
Much the same as you.
We share in what life brings us,
And from that our friendship grew.

Please, take an extra minute
From your duties up above,
To bless those in my address book
That's filled with so much love!

Wherever else this prayer may reach
To each and every Fido-friend,
Bless each Net-mail inbox
And the Sysop who hits "send".

When you update your heavenly nodelist,
On your own CD-Rom burner,
Remember each who've said this prayer,
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From a node sent up to God.com.

Amen.

Please send this poem to all of your Fidonet friends,
to show how much you care!

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FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN
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Japanese Special Udon Nabe

8 c Dashi or chicken stock
6 tb Soy sauce (shoyu)
1/4 c Sake
2 tb Mirin
12 oz Fresh udon noodles
6 ea Clams, small, cleaned
1 ea Chicken breast, deboned/cut
1/3 lb Scallops (about 8)
3 oz Kamaboko (fish paste/cake)
6 ea Scallions(green onions)
4 ea Large mushrooms, halved
6 ea Medium shrimp

Ok, I'm in Japan! I havent had a chance as of this typing to get
the phone lines installed just yet, but here's a goodie that's easier
to make than the longish ingredient list looks like.

I live right next to 'Tonoo Market Street' which is just like it
sounds. A street lined with itty bitty fresh produce stores where 1/2
the produce is along the sidewalk. Kinda like an open-air market.
Very neato!

Along that street where I walk my way home, are all these fixings.
Yoki, my local 'mama-san' who speaks no english (that's ok, I speak no
usable Japanese yet), has taken on this local 'gaijin' (foreigner) and
is slowly with pantomine, showing me something new at her stall each
day. I think most of my Japanese to date, is cooking/food related
(grin, suprised? Naww).

Nabe BTW, means a thickish soup/stew. Udon is a thick noodle,
slightly fatter than linguini and softer with a touch of rubbery
consistancy. It's also called 'alimentary paste' when labeled in
english. Normally sold fresh or vacumn packed. Occasionally dried.

Kamaboko, or 'fishcake' is a product made from mildish fish scraped
from the bones (paste-like) and formed to a roll (when formed to a
roll, it's Kamaboko and may have added colors and seasonings).

Cook the udon according to directions, and in second pot, simmer
stock and add the meats (shrimp only in last 5 minutes). Add veggies
in the last 5 mins or so with the shrimps.

Ruth, Hawaii variation. That scraped 'bonefish' made to a pale tan
paste? Form it into 'fishballs' like you would make small meatballs.
Tuck into soup in last 5 mins.

Total cooking time once both are boiling: 5 mins for Udon, 10 for
'other pot'. Strain udon from water and add to stock pot then serve.

Goes lovely with toasted pretzel bits (try tossing them with a
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little butter and hot chili-pepper then nuking for 60 secs) and also
with a sliced fresh peach (fill center with a drizzle of honey and
cinnimon, nuke 1 minute then add a dollup of whipped cream or try
japanese style, with 'miricle whip' salad dressing).

From the kitchen of: xxcarol in japan

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POET'S CORNER
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Choices
Email from a dear friend
[email protected]

"If you are like me this will make you cry or maybe you will just
laugh at me and delete it, but at least it will make you happy in some
way".

We have a choice to make today. I've chosen. Now it's your turn to
choose. The story goes that some time ago, a man punished his 5
year-old daughter for wasting a roll of expensive gold wrapping paper.

Money was tight and he became even more upset when the child pasted
the gold paper so as to decorate a box to put under the Christmas
tree.

Nevertheless, the little girl brought the gift box to her father the
Christmas morning and said, "This is for you, Daddy." The father was
embarrassed by his earlier overreaction, but his anger flared again
when he found the box was empty.

He spoke to her in a harsh manner, "Don't you know, young lady, when
you give someone a present there's supposed to be something inside the
package?

The little girl looked up at him with tears in her eyes and said,
"Oh, Daddy, it's not empty. I blew kisses into it until it was full."

The father was crushed. He fell on his knees and put his arms around
his little girl, and he begged her to forgive him for his unnecessary
anger.

An accident took the life of the child only a short time later and it
is told that the father kept that gold box by his bed for all the
years of his life. And whenever he was discouraged or faced difficult
problems he would open the box and take out an imaginary kiss and
remember the love of the child who had put it there.

In a very real sense, each of us as human beings have been given a
golden box filled with unconditional love and kisses from our
children, family, friends and God. There is no more precious
possession anyone could hold.

You now have two choices ... you can: 1. Pass this on to your
friends, or 2. Delete it and act like it didn't touch your heart.

As you can see, I took choice No.1.

Friends are like angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have
trouble remembering how to fly.
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Email from Frank Vest... [email protected]

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CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
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BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #6

It's friday, so I get into work early, before lunch even. The phone
rings. Shit!

I turn the page on the excuse sheet. "SOLAR FLARES" stares out at me.
I'd better read up on that. Two minutes later I'm ready to answer the
phone.

"Hello?" I say.

"WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET YOU ALL MORNING?!"

I hate it when they shout at me early in the morning. It always puts
me in a bad mood. You know what I mean.

"Ah, yes. Well, there's been some solar activity this morning, it
always disrupts electronics..." I say, sweet as a sugar pie.

"Huh? But I could get through to my friends?!"

"Yes, that's entirely possible, solar activity is very unpredictable
in it's effects. Why last week, we had some files just dissappear
from a guys account while he was working on it!"

"Really?"

"Straight Up! Hey, do you want me to check your account?"

"Yes please, I've got some important stuff in there!"

"Ok, what's your username..."

He tells me. Honestly, it's like shooting a fish in a barrel. Twice.
With an Elephant Gun. At point blank range. In the head.

(Do I really need to tell you the clicky clicky bit? I think not)

"How many files are in your account?" I ask

"Um, well there should be about 20 in my thesis writeup, 10 or so with
the data for it, and another 20 or so in a book that I'm writing"

"Hmmm. Well, I think we caught it just in time. You've still got 2
files left... .cshrc and .login"

"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaggggggggghhhh!"

He sobs into the receiver a bit - it really turns my stomach.

"What can I do?" he sniffs

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"Ok, do you have any of your stuff backed up on floppy?"

"Some, but it's weeks old!"

I fire up the bulk eraser.

"Ok" I say "How about I come out and load all that data onto your
account pronto so you can get some work done?"

"That'd be great, but it's all at home" he wimpers. "I spose I'll
just load it all in myself tonight"

"Sure. But remember what I said, solar flares are bad for disks and
machines. Protect your disks from solar activity to prevent them
losing their data"

"How do I do that? Wrap them in tin-foil?"

"NO! TIN FOIL'S THE WORST THING! YOU KNOW WHAT TIN FOIL DOES IN A
MICROWAVE DON'T YOU?!"

"Yes.."

"Then don't use it. There's only one thing that protects disks from
solar activity.."

"What's that?"

"MAGNETS. Wrap your disks up in a pillow case with lots of magnets -
Solar Flares hate that"

"Wow! Thanks"

"No worries at all..."

Shit I'm good!

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Set It Free
Found in my E-Mail :)

If you LOVE something... Set it free!

If it comes back... It will always be yours!

If it doesn't come back... It was never yours to begin with.

But, if it just sits in your living room, messes up your stuff,
watches your TV, eats your food, uses your telephone, takes your
money, and doesn't appear to realize that you set it free...

...THEN YOU EITHER MARRIED IT OR GAVE BIRTH TO IT!!!

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4 jokes
compiled, altered, updated, translated
by Henk den Adel, 2:280/6415

"You can't take it with you"

This is an European joke adapted for the mainly Z1 audience of
Fidonews. An american citizen is on route in the vast forests of
Quebec. He has shot an elk and he is busy tying the elk on the bonnet
of his car. A hitchhiker is passing by and he warns the american by:
"Vous ne pouver pas emmener cet' elan. Quelques kilometers en ouest
vous recontrerez une poste contre braconnage". The american tells the
hitchhiker that he does not speak nor understand French. The
hitchhiker simply replies by: "You can't take it with you". The
american starts arguing that he is the one that shot the elk, not the
hitchhiker and so he will take the trophy. The hitchhiker keeps on
repeating "you can't take it with you".

Finally the american is getting bored about arguing and suggests that
they will have a physical conclusion of the debate about the elk. "You
kick me and i'll kick you. The one who cries or gives a sound of pain,
looses, the other one can take the elk." The hitchhiker agrees, the
american bends over and the hitchhiker kicks the american.
Unfortunately the hitchhikers his sense for direction is not very
accurate and he hits the american straight in the family jewels. The
american, a member of a proud nation, bites the excruciating pain,
falls on the ground and curls up into an embryonic posture. Five
minutes later he is recovered in so far that he mumbles to the
hitchhiker: "Now you bend over, if you want to have the elk".

The hitchhiker replies: "i don't want to have the elk, i'm a
vegetarian, i just tried to warn you that a few kilometers down the
road you will encounter a roadblock against poaching."

"A cheep microwave"

One of the main peculiarities of the modern day western society is to
dispose of perfectly functioning domestic utensils, for no other
reason that they are no longer of the latest design, just outdated.
Some people are less overparticular, especially young couples which do
not possess sufficient money to start a family. This is what this
story is about, roughly 15 years ago.

Once a week a special garbage truck is collecting domestic utensils,
like couches, tables, twin beds or food blenders, which can still be
used, but were disposed of because of their outdatedness. I focussed
the attention of one of the young couples in this house block on that
day and a particularly interesting road, when they told me that their
newly ordered bed was to arrive in half a year. Next week they thanked
me for the suggestion, since they had found a bed, which still was in
FIDONEWS 19-08 Page 20 25 Feb 2002

good shape. Since both were working, they don't have much time to
prepare food, so a microwave oven would be nice as well. The couple
had a very old car and on the particular garbage collection day she
drove again along the generous road.

She parked her car and strolled along the items on display. After
seeing nothing of her interest, she decided to go a few hundred meters
further and parked her car next to a seemingly new microwave oven. It
was positioned next to an old easy chair without any legs. The
microwave looked OK, it even had the electric connections. So she
swiftly loaded the microwave into the luggage compartment of her car
and drove away.

Soon thereafter the sound of a whaling siren increased, as did the
size of a police car in her rear mirror. So she gave way for the
police car to continue its urgent dispatch. The car overtook her,
however it slowed down and forced her to stop. Two officers jumped out
of the car: "Where do you think you are going ma'am?", the elder
officer snapped to her. "Home" she replied. "Rather to prison, you
just stole our brand new equipment to detect, measure and photograph
speeding cars".

"Genie"

A middle aged couple were browsing an antique shop. The woman found an
old lamp. "What do you think", she asked, passing it to her husband.
Since it was rather dirty, the man cleaned it with the sleeve of his
shirt. Suddenly a genie popped out of the lamb: "I grant you one
wish". The man thought and thought. Finally he said: "Since i have
only one wish, it must be good. So i wish that there will be a recount
of the Florida presidential votes". The genie was frightened by this
request. "Oh no, i can't do that, that's way to difficult for me, what
on earth is a florida, i was in this lamp for nine centuries".

"OK", the man replied, "if that is too complicated, maybe you can
transform my wife into a beautiful woman". After hearing this wish the
contours of sheer panic were showing in the face of the genie. The
genie addressed himself to the shop keeper: "Pass me the globe please.
Does it show where this florida can be found?"

"Sheep"

A biologist, a mathematician and an IT worker are sitting in the
Flying Scotsman to Edinburgh. When the train crosses the Scottish
border, the biologist notices a black sheep. "Ah, this is Scotland,
there are black sheep over here". "No" the mathematician replies, "the
existence of just one black sheep is proven". The biologist starts
arguing that, from a biological point of view, to create a black sheep
one needs at least two black sheep. "Wait a minute", the IT worker
intervenes, "what we see is an animal which resembles a sheep, with
one black side confirmed".
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FIDONEWS 19-08 Page 22 25 Feb 2002

=================================================================
FIDONET CLASSIFIED ADS
=================================================================

!!! That's right. No 23 Female with new website !!!!
Just a little BBS in McKinney, Texas

You can dial into "Collin County Station" and do the following;

Read and reply to messages
Play the 50+ door games that we have
Get into the Bre League 70 game that's in progress
Play the Inter-BBS games of "Word War" and "Triple Yachtzee"
Add to the on going chatter in our "One Liners" screen
Look over our file base for some old files that are probably not
anywhere else

!!And, of course, just have fun!!

The phone number is: 972-562-8064

We also have limited telnet. Send an e-mail to:
"puppy6308 (at) sbcglobal (dot) net"
I'll be happy to explain the limits of the telnet to you and tell you
the address

Oh yeah.... If you really need a "23 Female with new website", try the
Internet. Works every time. :)

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FIDONEWS 19-08 Page 23 25 Feb 2002

=================================================================
TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
=================================================================

Fidonet Software List
By Todd Cochrane
Type:

B=BBS D=Door M=Mailer T=Tosser C=Communication (terminal)
U=Utility P=Point Software I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...)

<+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
( Software Name ) |Type| ( Author/Contact )
<+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
|BBBS Home Page |B | [email protected] |
| | | www.bbbs.net/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|ELEBBS The Elevator |B | [email protected] |
|Software Production | | www.elebbs.com |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Hermes II Project |B | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.hermesii.org/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Maximus BBS Support |B | [email protected] |
|Page (Non Official) | | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|MBSE BBS |B | Michiel Broek |
| | | [email protected] |
| | | http://mbse.sourceforge.net |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Mystic BBS |B | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/ |
| | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Nexus Bulletin |B | [email protected] |
|Board System | | http://www.nexusbbs.net/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Proboard, Searchlight, |BC | [email protected] |
|Telegrafix | | http://www.telegrafix.com |
|Communications | | 540-678-4050 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|RemoteAccess |B | Bruce Morse |
|Central | | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.rapro.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Spitfire BBS |B | [email protected] |
|Buffalo Creek Software | |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Synchronet BBS |BT | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.synchro.net |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Telegard BBS |B | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.telegard.net/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Wildcat Interactive |BTMI| [email protected] |
|Net Server | | http://www.santronics.com |
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|Plantinum Express | |(305)248-3204 |
| | | Santronics Inc. |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Bentstone Capabilities |D | [email protected] |
|Group | | http://www.srupc.com/mall |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Jibben Software |D | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|JNS Software Door Games|D | Rusty Johnson |
| | | [email protected] |
| | | 304-733-0113 |
| | | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Legend Of The Red |D | |
|Dragon Reborn | | |
|(L.O.R.D.) | | http://www.lordlegacy.org/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|PC Pursuits |D |[email protected] |
| | |(301)240-6653 |
| | |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|S and T Software |D |Mark Bappe |
| | |[email protected] |
| | |(770)788-6843 |
| | |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Shinning Star BBS Doors|D |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Sunrise Door Software |D |Al Lawerence |
| | |[email protected] |
| | |(404)256-9518 |
| | |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|The Brainex System |D |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Trade Wars Door Game |D |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ |
| | |1:299/110 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Vagabond Software |D |Bryan Turner |
| | |[email protected] |
| | |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/ |
| | |1:124/7013 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|FMail Support |T |[email protected] |
| | |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/ |
| | |2:280/1076 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Squish Tosser |T |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Argus RITLABS |M |[email protected] |
| | |373-2-246889 |
| | |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ |
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| | |2:469/84 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|FrontDoor |MTPC|Definite Solutions |
|FrontDoor APX | |[email protected] |
|Mailer/Point Software | |http://www.defsol.se/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|BeeMail Home Page |M |http://beemail.gexonline.net |
| | |Stephen Proffit |
| | |1:211/405 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/ |
|Frontend Mailer | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|BinkD |MI |[email protected] |
| | |http://2f.ru/binkd/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Fidogate |UIT |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.fidogate.org/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Fidonet to Internet |IM |Bo Bendtsen |
|Mailer | |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|GiGo Software |UI |http://www.gigo.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Internet Rex |IM |[email protected] |
| | |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Tmail |IM |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm |
|(Russian /w English DL)| | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|TransX Multiboard |M |[email protected] |
|Communications Inc. | |http://www.multiboard.com/software/ |
| | |transx.html |
| | |1:2401/305 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|TransNet |I |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Watergate |I |[email protected] |
| | |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU |http://www.jetsys.de/ |
|JetStat and other Atari| | |
|Fidonet utilities | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|APoint (Author) |P |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm|
| | |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho) |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|CrossPoint |P |("Original" version) |
| | |http://www.crosspoint.de |
| | |http://www.apoint-mail.de |
| | |(OpenXP Projekt) |
| | |http://www.openxp.com (English) |
| | |http://www.openxp.de (German) |
| | |CrossPoint (XP2 Team) |
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| | |http://www.xp2.de |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|WinPoint95 |P |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|The OpenXP CrossPoint |P |http://www.happyarts.de/xp |
|Projekt | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Terminate Terminal |P |http://www.terminate.com |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|PPoint-FTS compatible |P |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm |
|E-Mail System | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
\====================================================================/

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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 | Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
18/500 | Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
103/5 | Mark Luetger | BinkP | CABLE | n/c
103/301 | Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 | Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 | Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 | Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/2000 | Bob Juge | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ??? | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 | Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
134/11 | Michael Grant | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
aDSL, 60 | n/c
FIDONEWS 19-08 Page 29 25 Feb 2002

138/146 | Marc Blakely | BinkP,FTP | ??? | n/c
140/1 | Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
142/906 | Chris Griffin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
150/220 | Dave Nemeth | UUE | ??? | n/c
153/7715 | Dallas Hinton | BinkD, FTP | CABLE | ???
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
167/166 | Jesse Dooling | POP? UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c
218/109 | Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c
220/10 | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c
229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? |
229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c
250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c
261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c
275/311 | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1 |n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c
323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
360/5 | Bennie Hutto | FTP VMoT | aDSL | n/c
379/1 | Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkP VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c
396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c
2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c
2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c
2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/1275 | @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek |FTP, BinkD | OC3 n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c
28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c
47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c
201/505 | Goran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c
221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c
255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c
263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c
280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c
280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c
292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/534 | Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c
341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | |
341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | |
343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | |
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 | Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | |
348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | |
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/558 | Vlad Hrusca | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c
2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek | FTP, BinkP | 100Mb | n/c
5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c
774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
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Zone 4
801/161 | Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
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Zone 6
65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free
653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free
654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free
654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free

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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* TX = TransX
* NFS = Linux Networking
* ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
* QWK = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable
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Nodelist Stats

Input nodelist nodelist.053
size 1134.2kb
date 2002-02-22

The nodelist has 10232 nodes in it
and a total of 13152 non-comment entries

including 6 zones
65 regions
473 hosts
711 hubs
admin overhead 1255 ( 12.27 %)

and 903 private nodes
373 nodes down
389 nodes on hold
off line overhead 1665 ( 16.27 %)

Speed summary:

>9600 = 937 ( 9.16 %)
9600 = 8749 ( 85.51 %)
(HST = 185 or 2.11 %)
(CSP = 1 or 0.01 %)
(PEP = 13 or 0.15 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 1 or 0.01 %)
(V32 = 4927 or 56.32 %)
(V32B = 542 or 6.19 %)
(V42 = 4769 or 54.51 %)
(V42B = 574 or 6.56 %)
2400 = 108 ( 1.06 %)
1200 = 5 ( 0.05 %)
300 = 433 ( 4.23 %)

ISDN = 1098 ( 10.73 %)

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File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems
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XA Frontdoor <1.99b 3769
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
Xenia
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XB Binkleyterm 2.0 9
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Dutchie 2.90b
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XC Opus 1.1 10
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XP Seadog 6
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XR Opus 1.03 68
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XW Fido >12M 401
Tabby
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XX D'Bridge 1.30 4524
Frontdoor 1.99b
Intermail 2.01
Tmail
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None QMM 1445
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CrashMail capable = 3396 ( 33.19 %)
MailOnly nodes = 5493 ( 53.68 %)
Listed-only nodes = 787 ( 7.69 %)
Other = 556 ( 5.43 %)

[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]

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