The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 05 04 Feb 2002

The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 05 04 Feb 2002
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Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.

Table of Contents
1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
2. INSIDE ................................................... 2
The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 2
3. EDITORIAL ................................................ 3
Astrid Lindgren, R12 and catcalls ........................ 3
4. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 4
A Day in Japan ........................................... 4
Catcalls from the Cheap Seats ............................ 5
Fidonet TODAY and... TOMORROW ............................ 7
5. OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER .......................... 9
From a dear friend: 1,000 Saturdays ...................... 9
6. FRANK'S COLUMN - FRANK VEST .............................. 11
A (early) Fidonet Christmas Wish List .................... 11
7. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN .......................... 14
Japanese Ramen Noodles ................................... 14
Russian Yozhiki .......................................... 14
8. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ...................................... 16
BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #3 ............................ 16
The sneeze ............................................... 17
9. FIDONET CLASSIFIED ADS ................................... 19
Infomail is back on 1:124/6308 ........................... 19
10. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................ 21
Fidonet Software List .................................... 21
11. JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ......................... 25
12. SPECIAL INTEREST ........................................ 31
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 31
13. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 33
How to Submit an Article ................................. 33
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 34
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Give a man religion and he'll
starve to death while praying for a fish.

- chopper's sig (kuro5hin)

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INSIDE
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The Fidonews at a Glance

The "Editorial" this week is about "Astrid Lindgren, R12 and
catcalls".

The "General Articles" section has three submissions. Carol
Shenkenberger writes about another day in the Far East in "A Day in
Japan", Luke Kolin sends us more "Catcalls from the Cheap Seats" and
there's a very disappointing report from Kamal Barshevich from Russia
in "Fidonet TODAY and... TOMORROW".

Frank Vest writes an early letter to Santa in his (i.e. Frank's,
not Santa's) column. Read it in "A (early) Fidonet Christmas Wish
List".

Warren Bonner sends us some thoughts about Saturday mornings, from
a friend of his, in his column, "From a dear friend: 1,000 Saturdays".

In our "International Kitchen" section, Carol makes "Japanese Ramen
Noodles", and from Aleksej Serdyukov we get "Russian Yozhiki".

The third episode from "BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL" in the "Clean
Jokes..." plus "The sneeze" by Warren -- is it clean or not, well I
guess it's up to you to judge.

In the "Classified Ads" section the turn has come to "Infomail".
You do remember that this section is a rotating section? We don't have
that many ads yet, so those posted will occur rather frequently.

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EDITORIAL
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Astrid Lindgren, R12 and catcalls

The most important thing, to me, and I think to many people all over
the world, that happend this week, was that Astrid Lindgren died. She
was 93 years old, so it was of course no real surprise, but never the
less she leaves a really big hole somewhere.

I guess most fidonet users have some relationship with her works.
Be it as kids or as parents reading "Mio and I" for your own kids,
watching a movie with Pippi Longstockings or a TV show with the
mischievous Emil.

Unlike e.g. the author of Harry Potter, Astrid never made a fortune
out of her writings. Her 88 works was translated to some 80 languages
and sold in most countries of the world, in more than 100 million
copies. But she only had some $500,000 (less than the Nobel prize she
so well deserved, but never was awarded) on the bank when she left.
Out of the estimated 40 million books sold in the former Soviet Union,
she never got a single kopek, and the same goes for many other
countries, but she never complained. The most important thing for her,
was that she could bring some happiness to children all over the
world.

And indeed she did! I hope we'll meet again in Nangijala, Astrid!

As for the R12 affair, I really goofed up last week, didn't I.
Placing Sakas... Saskach... Scakas... Alberta and all the other
territories north and west of Ontario in R12, when really they belong
to the region of Alaska, Washington, Idaho and some other US states in
the north west. Sorry for that mistake.

Catcalls from the cheap seats keep interrupting our show, that's
been playing for so many years now (is it the 18th season, or what?).
Maybe we should start taking those catcalls seriously? From the posh
seats up front, we cannot expect anything such barbaric and ill
mannered, that could cause the spectators there to be kicked out of
their country club, golf club or even the local PTA. And most of the
artists on stage seem to be smug about the performance they've
perfected over the years, and are not likely to call for a change to
the show that finally runs so smoothly.

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GENERAL ARTICLES
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A Day in Japan
Sasebo, Japan, 21 January 2002

Today we got the last of the phone bill pieces we were looking for
so we could pay for the connections we have been using. It was
something very Asian and confusing so let me tell you all how to get
a phone in Japan, should you need one.

To start, it is easier if you are military or your company has a set
of purchased phone numbers for lease to employees. If that is not
the case when you arrive, it costs 800$ USA roughly, to 'buy phone
rights'. Yes, the Japan system requires the customer 'purchase' the
use of the number. Don't argue, that's merely how things work here
and the Japanese find this a good system.

I was able to get mine as a military person, via a leased line set
aside for such. I pay 800 yen a month, plus normal monthly bills
(about 3500 yen). To this bill is added all local calls made (10
yen for 3 minutes). The application was very confusing as it's all
in Japanese but we got it figured out with some help.

The next step was to pay for service. This is done in advance and
at any bank. 10 days or so later, your phone starts working. About
a week after that, they tell you what your phone number is (grin).
This is all automated as long as your apartment has phone jacks
(they all do if even remotely modernized).

After that, and hopefully you selected the option to have the LD
phone bill go to a credit card to make things easier, you settle
back and hope for the best. Your first bills won't arrive for a
month or so after and if you are not careful, they can be a shock.

Japan bills tend to come in several parts and you often cant pay
until the last 'part' arrives. Our electric, gas, and phone all
work the same way. It's like they premail you how much it will be
(looks like a bill to us) and later send the one you can actually
pay. Once you get used to it, it's kinda nice as you can set that
amount off to the side and get close to 4 weeks warning before it's
due.

Now how to pay? Well, simple. All Japanese bills are paid in Yen.
Japanese do not use checkbooks much and credit cards are also rare
so it's cash. This is actually easier than it sounds. All bills
can be paid at the local convenience stores (Family Mart is a local
one and yes it has some Japanese name too that means the same.
Think 7-11 and you got it). For military, gas and electric get paid
at the base and they take care of the required filing of receipts but
for phone, you are on your own.

Sounds awkward? It turned out to be terribly easy! We took our
bills (came in 5 parts) to the local Family Mart and in 2 minutes
they had it all handled, despite us having no common language. We
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can also pay electric and gas there but have to then take the
receipts back to the base (so why not pay there with a check? Easier
on us). They gave us back the parts that are not bills (hard to
tell here) with a smile and a happy 'Domo Arrigato'.

So, should you move to Japan, you now have a little bit more info on
how to ease your way.

Komban Wa Y'all!

xxcarol
Carol Shenkenberger
6:730/275

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Catcalls from the Cheap Seats
By Luke Kolin

Bjorn referred to me as an apostate that other week. I'm really
starting to love this guy - that's the nicest thing any FidoNet sysop
has called me in several years. I understand that sunlight is somewhat
lacking in that part of the world this time of year - make it through
another two months until the equinox, please!

Let me correct our Editor before he gets howls of protest from the
alienated Westerners, who most certainly are not part of Region 12 -
Region 12 only comprises the former parts of Region 11 that split off
back in 1988 or so; everything east of the Manitoba/Ontario border.
Western Canada has always been part of Region 17. Unlike Zone 2, Zone
1 has never broken its Regions down across purely nationalistic lines.
The debate that is going on is not a Canada vs. US battle, and I think
it is inaccurate and wrong-headed to see this as a nationalistic
battle. It is instead the manifestation of two dramatically different
views of FidoNet organisation. As a broader question relevant to the
entire network, to what extent can regional differences be tolerated
in the network as a whole?

The cantankerous sysops of Region 12 have never had much time for two
aspects of FidoNet policy that some other *Cs seem to hold as sacred:
appointed *Cs and network boundaries dictated by geography. We were
electing our RCs and NCs back in 1989, and the principle has never
been seriously questioned. We've had networks that overlapped each
other since 163 and 243 existed in 1991.

I think it's instructive to note that despite the howls of protest
from outside the Region, the system by and large has worked very well.
Networks got the *Cs they want, and if a network started getting too
polarised, splitting it down the middle usually lowered the level from
all-out jihad to occasional sniping in the region-wide sysop
conference. Far from promoting chaos, the system that Region 12 worked
out did much to lessen friction and sysop disputes. Far more chaos was
induced by the odd ZC or RC who attempted to roll back this system. A
blind eye was turned to the letter of Policy from time to time when it
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served the greater good.

Bjorn's call for mediation is a good one. As I pointed out last week,
the rhetoric in this dispute has grown to the level where we're
calling for silly things in order to defend the sanctity of policy. If
both sides can agree to someone whose stated goal is to solve
problems, no matter what Policy says, something good may come out of
all this. After all, the network is about people, not Policy, right?

Turning my attention to ancient history, the former Editor continues
his painful detailing of the FidoNet vs. Internet worlds, circa 1994.
In case Frank hasn't noticed, there are hundreds of thousands of
online communities sprouting up all across the Internet, and they've
been doing so for several years now. I participate in no fewer than
four communities based on the discussion of immigration into the
United States. I participate in several online message areas related
to flight simulation. And they're just as polite, well-moderated (if
not better) and valuable as the echo areas that were in FidoNet during
its 'golden age' in the early to mid 1990s. Sites like yahoo groups
allow anyone to build their own little moderated community with a few
mouse clicks. And I interact with the same real people that Frank
talks about, from all over the world. We have Canadians, Indians,
Pakistanis, Americans, Italians, Scotsmen, Germans and Australians.
Frank, where have you been?

The notion that all Internet games are a shoot-em-up is equally
inaccurate. We host a number of 'online flying' events using the
Internet and Microsoft Flight Simulator each year, with full online
dispatch and ATC. There's no character-based equivalent for a landing
a 727 with a 200 foot ceiling, completely blind, and then hearing the
ATC folks scrambling and reorganising the pattern when you decide that
discretion is the better part of valour and go around. Yes, it may not
teach you typing in the same fashion, but the richness of the
experience both sensually and intellectually is light years beyond.
And it's real-time collaboration with potentially dozens of people!
How does your single-line ASCII-based door compete with that? It
doesn't.

Apart from the sensory differences, the Internet allows you to
aggregate much larger groups of people together, to get more people,
more learning and more FUN. You're not dependent on a BBS at all, with
its limitations on simultaneous connections. You're not limited by
content replication all across the world. You're all online, anywhere,
anytime.

Finally, the notion that only commercial sites have professional-grade
graphics, software back-ends and ergonomics is ludicrous. The Open
Source movement (which, I suspect, BinkleyTerm was a rough precursor)
has allowed professional grade SQL databases, web scripting (JSP or
PHP) and graphics programs to be available for FREE. Even an
out-of-the-box package like UBB or phpBB has a professional quality
interface. There's a lot of crummy web sites out there. Unfortunately,
even the crummy web sites have just as good (or bad) an interface as
the best dial-up BBS.

Essentially, the recipe for saving the ol' pooch involve doing nothing
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new or exciting. They involve pretending that the last ten years of
technological progress in the online world didn't exist, and to go
back to the world of 1992. Play ASCII hangman instead of the
Flash-based games my wife plays online with our neice and nephew. Post
to an online message board where you might get a response from across
the world in several days, instead of several minutes. Pretend that
none of this is available on the Internet. (ha!)

If the folks in FidoNet persist with this kind of an attitude, get out
the barbituates and euthanise the whole network. It's done. Online
community exists on the Internet, in a far better and bigger form than
FidoNet ever achieved. They are real people, they have real fun, and
they're just as passionate about their hobbies on the Internet as they
were back in the BBS days. At the levels of learning, people and fun,
let's be generous and say that the two are tied. In terms of the
overall capabilities of the platform like UI, content aggregation and
scalability, there's no comparison.

I know Frank means well, but FidoNet's future doesn't depend on people
making a virtue out of necessity when it comes to the shortcomings of
the pooch. Michael Grant is on the right track when he talks about
leveraging Internet capabilities to the fullest. Maybe the Fidonet of
the future is a group of discrete web sites each hosting a different
area of interest?

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Fidonet TODAY and... TOMORROW.
Let us observe the situation in Russia.

"Fidonet makes the World smaller", it helps us the feel ourselfs
together, cause EVERY continent, every civilized (or half-civilized)
country has Fidonet supporting nodes. It was yesterday, it is today.
But lets have a look on what could happen in very near future.

As a legacy of exUSSR, Russia recieved pay-FREE telephone lines.
This fact gave FidoNet GREAT priority against Internet, Relcom and
other commercial based nets. Really, even when we speak about Fido, as
a non-commercial net, we must remember, that you have to pay for
connection, for your telephone line. And that is one of the cases
because in Europe Fidonet was successfully vanished by InterNet: you
pay just the same (maybe a bit more) but you get on-line vision of all
the World around.

Here is directly another situation in Russia. Everyone pay 50
rubbles (~2.5$) per month and uses telephone as much as he wants. That
is real heaven for FidoNet. He is some stats:

Russia:
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Petersburg => ~900 nodes
Moscow => ~1500 nodes
others => ~5000 nodes
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~7000 nodes
That is ~50% of all Fido-nodes in the World (~14000 nodes).

xUSSR got a lot of money from selling wartechs, food etc, and could
afford such telephone network. But today situation has changed.

2002 or 2003 year can be the last year with such telephone-taxes in
Russia. Minute-by-minute payment means one: with current people's
economic level, 99% of all nodes will be closed. Why? Cause average
age of Russian Fidonet SysOps is 20-22 years (from 17 to 30). They are
students. And students have NOTHING in Russia today!

So, looking in the nearest future, we see rather sad picture.
FidoNet will lost 50% of it's members. I must admit, that we observed
situation in Russia, not touching Ukraine and other exUSSR countries.
By the way Russia naturally will lost ~30-50% InterNet users.

And that is on the stage of building "democracy" here... Citizens
already lost all independent TV-channells, in process of loosing
independent from government radio stations, and in two years without
Fidonet and Internet, Russia will become silent and quiet country. Is
that the goal?

What we have in the end: more than a half of non-commercial Network
FIDO, could be killed by commercial aspect... Irony of the fate..!?

specially for Fidonews
Kamal Barshevich

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OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER
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From a dear friend: 1,000 Saturdays
[email protected]

The older I get, the more I enjoy Saturday mornings.

Perhaps it's the quiet solitude that comes with being the first to
rise, or maybe it's the unbounded joy of not having to be at work.
Either way, the first few hours of a Saturday morning are most
enjoyable.

A few weeks ago, I was shuffling toward the basement shack with a
steaming cup of coffee in one hand and the morning paper in the other.
What began as a typical Saturday morning, turned into one of those
lessons that life seems to hand you from time to time.

Let me tell you about it. I turned the dial up into the phone portion
of the band on my ham radio in order to listen to a Saturday morning
swap net.

Along the way, I came across an older sounding chap, with a tremendous
signal and a golden voice. You know the kind; he sounded like he
should be in the broadcasting business.

He was telling whomever he was talking with something about "a
thousand marbles." I was intrigued and stopped to listen to what he
had to say.

"Well, Tom, it sure sounds like you're busy with your job. I'm sure
they pay you well but it's a shame you have to be away from home and
your family so much. Hard to believe a young fellow should have to
work sixty or seventy hours a week to make ends meet.

Too bad you missed your daughter's dance recital. He continued, "Let
me tell you something Tom, something that has helped me keep a good
perspective on my own priorities."

And that's when he began to explain his theory of a "thousand
marbles."

"You see, I sat down one day and did a little arithmetic. The average
person lives about seventy-five years. I know, some live more and
some live less, but on average, folks live about seventy-five years.

Now then, I multiplied 75 times 52 and I came up with 3900, which is
the number of Saturdays that the average person has in their entire
lifetime.

"Now, stick with me, Tom, I'm getting to the important part." "It took
me until I was fifty-five years old to think about all this in any
detail"; he went on, "and by that time I had lived through over
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twenty-eight undred Saturdays. I got to thinking that if I lived to
be seventy-five, I only had about a thousand of them left to enjoy.

"So I went to a toy store and bought every single marble they had. I
ended up having to visit three toy stores to round up 1000 marbles. I
took them home and put them inside of a large, clear plastic container
right here in the sack next to my gear. Every Saturday since then, I
have taken one marble out and thrown it away." "I found that by
watching the marbles diminish, I focus more on the really important
things in life.

There is nothing like watching your time here on this earth run out to
help get your priorities straight." "Now let me tell you one last
thing before I sign-off with you and take my lovely wife out for
breakfast. This morning, I took the very last marble out of the
container. I figure that if I make it until next Saturday then I have
been given a little extra time. And the one thing we can all use is a
little more time."

"It was nice to meet you Tom, I hope you spend more time with your
family, and I hope to meet you again here on the band. 75 year Old
Man, this is K9NZQ, clear and going QRT, good morning!"

You could have heard a pin drop on the band when this fellow signed
off. I guess he gave us all a lot to think about. I had planned to
work on the antenna that morning, and then I was going to meet up with
a few hams to work on the next club newsletter.

Instead, I went upstairs and woke my wife up with a kiss. "C'mon
honey, I'm taking you and the kids to breakfast." "What brought this
on?" she asked with a smile.

"Oh, nothing special, it's just been a long time since we spent a
Saturday together with the..."Hey, can we stop at a toy store while
we're out? I need to buy some marbles...."

A friend sent this to me, so I to you, my friend.

"If you live to be a hundred, I want to live to be a hundred minus
one day, so I never have to live without you." -Winnie the Pooh

Pass this on to all of your FRIENDS, even if it means sending it to
the person that sent it to you. And if you receive this e-mail many
times from many different people, it only means that you have many
FRIENDS. And if you get it but once, do not be discouraged for you
will know that you have AT LEAST ONE GOOD FRIEND... And that's worth
it!

Warmest regards,
Ol'wdb

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FRANK'S COLUMN - FRANK VEST
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A (early) Fidonet Christmas Wish List
By Frank Vest
1:124/6308.1

This may a bit early for Christmas, but what the heck. :-)

Fidonet's most basic element is the BBS. The most basic element of
the BBS is the User. In a "Guest Editorial" a while back, I made note
of the former from Tom Jennings and added the latter.

With this in mind, and the desire to help Fidonet, BBSs and the Users
that Fidonet and the BBSs depend on, I'm making my Christmas wish list
early. :-)

Some of these may already be done, but it never hurts to ask. Also,
since this is a Christmas wish, it would be nice if they were free. :)

-= An Internet Download Door =-

One of the things that a BBS used to have is the mass of Files for
download. With dozens of Bulletin Boards in almost every area of the
world and each one with a different theme, each had a different set of
files for the Users to download. A User could call several BBS systems
and find just about any new program that was around. When the CD-Rom
came out, the file bases of a BBS exploded even more.

Today, most of the files that Users found on a BBS are on the
Internet. With an Internet connection and such, it's easy to get the
files.

My thought/wish;

A door program for those of us that have a 24/7 connection to the
Internet that would allow the Sysop to configure Internet download
sites for "online" file download by the Users. It could work something
like this;

The sysop knows of some download sites with programs that s/he wants
to offer. It could be FTP sites or whatever. The Sysop configures the
door with the Internet address(es) of these sites and what files are
available.

When a User logs onto the BBS and does a search or list of files,
these files show up the same as any other files on the BBS. When the
User tags the file(s) and goes to download them, the door connects to
the Internet site and transfers the file(s) to the User via the BBS.
It would probably have to be a "dual download" where the file is
downloaded to the BBS computer's "temp" directory, then sent to the
User via Zmodem or some such and then the file removed from the BBS
computer's temp directory, but it could be done??
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Think of the advantage of this to a BBS. The wealth of files on the
Internet at the finger tips of the BBS Sysop and Users. The door could
check the Files for a "file-id" or the description of the file could
be entered by the Sysop. Much the same thing that is done now. If a
link changes, the Sysop can simply change the URL or remove it.

I'd think that this would be a big plus for the BBS. :)

-= A Telnet Door =-

I know that there are doors that do this. At least one BBS program
offers a telnet door, but only on the telnet side of the BBS. A free
version of this would be great.

This would/could be a simple little door that would allow a User on
the dial-up or telnet side of a BBS to telnet out to other telnet
BBSs. It would be nice if it were to work with Dos based BBS programs
as well as Windows and Linux... maybe OS/2 as well.

It should be simple to set up. Have any driver(s) needed or whatever.
I think it would be a good thing to attract New Users to a BBS. The
thought being that a User could have "one stop shopping". Dial into a
BBS and reach many other BBSs. Also, for the dial up mainly, a User
without an ISP could access many BBSs from other places that would
otherwise be "out of reach" due to cost.

-= Terminal Program =-

One of the things that used to abound in the BBS world were Terminal
Programs. You remember, those programs that Users, and some Sysops,
use to dial into a BBS? Today, most are history, not supported,
unavailable, don't work with the later operating systems or some such.

A nice "all around" terminal program for calling a BBS would be nice.
After all, if the User doesn't have anything decent to "call" a BBS
with, why would they bother?

My idea is a program that will handle telnet as well as dial-up. It
should be able to display ansi and ascii properly without the use of
special fonts and such. It would be nice if the program would/could be
a "full screen" display and handle the higher resolution of today's
monitors and graphics cards,

A real "plus", in my opinion, would be if the program could "overlay"
the web browser when used as a telnet client and a link is clicked on,
like the Adobe Acrobat Reader does for PDF, instead of launching
another program that has to be shut down after use.

I'm not sure how all of this would work, but it is an idea.

Ok. I guess I'll shut up now and see if Santa will smile on me. :-)

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FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN
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Japanese Ramen Noodles

1 pk Ramen noodles (block type)
1 Hard boiled egg, chopped
2 Sprigs green onion
1 tb Minced green onion bulb

Ok, simple as you can get. Fix the noodles to the directions on the
package. Add the green onion while cooking. Chop the egg up. Once
cooked, add to the noodles.

Optional additions: You can add a few left over green peas,
mushrooms, salmon bits (goes best with the shrimp type), tofu (firm,
chuncked, cooked with the broth). If out of green onion bulbs, use
1/2 the amount of a hotter onion or the same amount of a leek.

Charlotte (my 5YO) loves these, and all her friends seem to love
them just as much. Much less expensive than spagettios and the baked
noodle types are better for her too.

Variation: Use Dashi (see Dashi recipe) for the water, or at least
1/2 the water.

From the kitchen of: xxcarol
From: Carol Shenkenberger
Date: 19 Dec 98

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--Russian Yozhiki--
by
Aleksej R. Serdyukov
AKA Deleter
2:5020/1973.20@FidoNet

Yeah, got it! ;) Yozhiki (hedgehogs ;-) recipe for you:

0.5 kg beef-force-meat (can be mixed with pork one)
1/3 glass rice
1 carrot
1-2 onion
some salt & pepper

Mix all, add water, manually give them shape of ball (4-5 cm of
diameter). Put to boiling salted water in a frying pan.
Strew them by vegetables (greens), and put a bay leaf and boil
approximately for 30 minutes.
Enjoy! :)

bye [26.01.02 17:10 MSK]

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FIDONEWS 19-05 Page 16 4 Feb 2002

=================================================================
CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
=================================================================

BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #3

So I'm working so hard I barely have time to drive into town and
watch a movie before I told people their printing will be ready. The
queue's WAAAAY too long to have everything printed (and sorted) by the
time I told them, so I kill all the small jobs so there's only 2 left
and I can sort them in no time.

Then, after the movie, (which was one of those slack Bertolucci ones
that takes about 3 hours till the main character is killed off in a
visionary experience) I get back and clear the printouts.

There's about 50 people waiting outside and I've got two printouts.
That's about average for me. I thought I'd killed more tho. Anyway, I
put out the printouts and walk slooowly inside, fingering the
clipboard with "ACCOUNTS TO REMOVE" in big letters on the back. No-one
says anything. As usual.

. . .

I'm sitting back in the Operations Armchair, watching the computer
room closed circuit TV, which just happens to be connected to the
frame-grabber's Video player (sent off for repair, due back sometime
in '94) when the phone rings. That must be the 2nd time today, and
it's really starting to get to me!

"Yes?" I say, pausing the picture.

"I've accidentally deleted my C.V!" the voice at the other end of the
line says.

"You have? What was your username?"

He tells me. What the hell, I AM bored.

"Ah no, you didn't delete it - I did."

"What?"

"I deleted it. It was full of shit! You didn't ever get more than a
B- in any of your subjects!"

"Huh?"

"And that crap about being a foreign exchange student, that was your
girlfriend and we both know it."

"Huh?!!"

"Your academic records. I checked them, you were lying.."

"How did y.." He clicks. "It's you isn't it? THE BASTARD OPERATOR
FIDONEWS 19-05 Page 17 4 Feb 2002

FROM HELL!"

"In the flesh, on the phone and in your account.... You shouldn't
have called you know. You especially shouldn't have given me your
username.." >clickety< >click< "Neither should you have sent that
mail to the System Manager telling him what you think of him in
graphic terms..."

"I didn't send any.."

>clickety< >click<......

"No, you didn't did you? But who can tell these days. Not to worry
though, It'll all be over VERY soon.." >clickety click< "..change my
username back, and..."

"b-b-b.." he blubs, like a stood-up date

"Goodbye now" I say pleasantly, "you've got bags to pack and a life
to start over..."

I hang up.

Two seconds later the red phone goes. I pick it up, it's the boss. He
mumbles the username of the person I was just talking to, mentions
something about a nasty mail message, and utters the words "You know
what to do...", with the dots and everything.

Later, inside the Municipal Energy Authority Computer, as I'm
modifying the poor pleb's Energy Bill by several zeros, I can't help
but think about what lapse of judgement - what act of heinous
stupidity causes them to call. Then, even later, when I'm adding the
poor pleb's photo image over the top of the FBI's online "MOST Wanted
Armed and Dangerous, SHOOT ON SIGHT" offenders list, I realise, I'll
probably never know; but life goes on.

A couple of hours later, as I see the SWAT vehicle roll up outside
the poor pleb's apartment I realise that for some, it just doesn't.

But tommorrow is another day.

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The sneeze

A man and a woman are sitting beside each other in the first class
section of the plane. The woman sneezes, takes a tissue, gently wipes
her nose and shudders quite violently in her seat.

The man isn't sure why she is shuddering and goes back to reading. A
few minutes pass. The woman sneezes again. She takes a tissue, gently
wipes her nose and shudders quite violently in her seat. The man is
becoming more and more curious about the shuddering. A few more
minutes pass. The woman sneezes yet again. She takes a tissue, gently
wipes her nose and shudders violently again.
FIDONEWS 19-05 Page 18 4 Feb 2002

The man has finally had all he can handle. He turns to the woman and
says, "Three times you've sneezed and three times you've taken a
tissue and wiped your nose then shuddered violently! Are you sending
me signals, or are you going crazy?"

The woman replies, "I'm sorry if I disturbed you. I have a rare
condition and when I sneeze, I have an orgasm."

The man, now feeling a little embarrassed but even more curious says,
"I've never heard of that before. What are you taking for it?"

The woman looks at him and says, "Pepper."

Warm Regards,
Ol'wdb

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=================================================================
FIDONET CLASSIFIED ADS
=================================================================

Infomail is back on 1:124/6308
By Frank Vest
1:124/6308

With the current Fidonet via BinkP, I'm trying to put this service
back up. Some may remember it from times past. :)

I'm not sure how this will work with BinkP, but my tests seemed to
work well. :)

Of course, it should also work with the any Netmail.

Welcome to "InfoMail"

Infomail is a program that provides a "document" service via Fidonet
Netmail.

I have some text files on my system that might be of interest to
Sysops, or even Users, in Fidonet. The process of Freq'ing the files
takes time and, if done via dial up, money in LD costs. To log onto
the BBS, search and DL the files also takes time and money.

Infomail makes this a little easier in that the text of the documents
can be requested with a simple Netmail and the contents of the text
file sent to the requester in a Netmail reply.

In other words, this is a "robot" that when asked for the information
in a text file, writes that text into a Netmail and sends it to you.
:-)

Ok, here's how it works.

Using this program/service is very simple.

1. Enter a Netmail message to "InfoMail" without the quotes.
(capitalization isn't important). Fidonet address, 1:124/6308 via
regular routed Netmail, crash Netmail or BinkP. The Internet address
for BinkP is "web-idiot.d2g.com".

2. For a subject, put the document that you want to receive. If you
don't know, or just want to search for a word in the list, send the
Netmail to "InfoMail Search" <sans quote> and put the word you are
looking for in the Subject area.

3. In the text area, put anything you like. This is ignored but
required for many mailers to handle the message.

Upon receiving the message, my system will search the document list
for a match and send the response back to you via a Netmail message.

The reply will most likely be "routed" Netmail.

FIDONEWS 19-05 Page 20 4 Feb 2002

Please let me know if there are errors. I'm only human and make
mistakes like anyone else. :-)

As with all things Fidonet and hobby, there are no guarantees. I
"hope" it works. :)

Here's a list of what I hope is currently available;

Document Name Description
================||=================================================
? List of documents available
ARTSPEC FidoNews Article Submission Guidelines
BackBone North America BackBone Echolist
Backbone1 List of active echos, Zone 1 Backbone
Backboneww List of Echos carried on the World Wide Backbone
BackStat North American Backbone - Status and Changes
Backstat1 Change Status, Zone 1 Backbone
Backstatww World Wide Backbone Status and Changes
BBS_Basics BBS Basics (kind of dated, but still good)
Big_Dummy ** THE BIG DUMMY'S GUIDE TO FIDONET **
BROI.10 ZONE 1 ECHOMAIL BACKBONE ROUTINE OPERATING
INFORMATION 8/27/
DFWLIST The DFW BBs List
Echopol.V62 General Echomail Policy September 6, 1988,
Echopol.v62
Echopol3.0 ZONE 1 BACKBONE ECHOMAIL POLICY Version 3.0 14
August 1993
Echopol3.1 ZONE 1 BACKBONE ECHOMAIL POLICY Version 3.1 08
October 1993
Ep-Intro ZONE 1 ECHOPOL - INTRODUCTION TO THE NEW DRAFT
Epolicy1 Echomail Policy Document - Version 1.04 (Proposed)
Fido_Ben_Baker Fidonet History according to Ben Baker
Fido_History_Pt1 FidoNet History and Operation (8 Feb 85) Tom
Jennings
Fido_History_Pt2 FidoNet History and Operation Part 2 (Tom Jennings)
FidoInfo So you want to join FidoNet?
Fidonet? What is Fidonet
FTS-0001 A Basic FidoNet(r) Technical Standard
FTS-0004 FTS-0004 EchoMail Specification
FTS-0005 FTS-0005 The Distribution Nodelist
FTS-0009 A standard for unique message identifiers and reply
chain li
HUBGUIDE Net 124 HUB GUIDELINES
Internet_Point How to use your Point System with the Internet
Internet_to_Fido How to gate E-Mail to and from Fidonet
Net_info Net 124 Node Information File
Netstats Statistics from the Fidonet Nodelist
Satti Decisions made by Bob Satti as Z1C
StartBBs So you want to start a BBS?
What_is What is Fidonet??

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FIDONEWS 19-05 Page 21 4 Feb 2002

=================================================================
TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
=================================================================

Fidonet Software List
By Todd Cochrane
Type:

B=BBS D=Door M=Mailer T=Tosser C=Communication (terminal)
U=Utility P=Point Software I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...)

<+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
( Software Name ) |Type| ( Author/Contact )
<+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
|BBBS Home Page |B | [email protected] |
| | | www.bbbs.net/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|ELEBBS The Elevator |B | [email protected] |
|Software Production | | www.elebbs.com |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Hermes II Project |B | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.hermesii.org/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Maximus BBS Support |B | [email protected] |
|Page (Non Official) | | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|MBSE BBS |B | Michiel Broek |
| | | [email protected] |
| | | http://mbse.sourceforge.net |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Mystic BBS |B | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/ |
| | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Nexus Bulletin |B | [email protected] |
|Board System | | http://www.nexusbbs.net/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Proboard, Searchlight, |BC | [email protected] |
|Telegrafix | | http://www.telegrafix.com |
|Communications | | 540-678-4050 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|RemoteAccess |B | Bruce Morse |
|Central | | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.rapro.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Spitfire BBS |B | [email protected] |
|Buffalo Creek Software | |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Synchronet BBS |BT | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.synchro.net |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Telegard BBS |B | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.telegard.net/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Wildcat Interactive |BTMI| [email protected] |
|Net Server | | http://www.santronics.com |
FIDONEWS 19-05 Page 22 4 Feb 2002

|Plantinum Express | |(305)248-3204 |
| | | Santronics Inc. |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Bentstone Capabilities |D | [email protected] |
|Group | | http://www.srupc.com/mall |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Jibben Software |D | [email protected] |
| | | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|JNS Software Door Games|D | Rusty Johnson |
| | | [email protected] |
| | | 304-733-0113 |
| | | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Legend Of The Red |D | |
|Dragon Reborn | | |
|(L.O.R.D.) | | http://www.lordlegacy.org/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|PC Pursuits |D |[email protected] |
| | |(301)240-6653 |
| | |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|S and T Software |D |Mark Bappe |
| | |[email protected] |
| | |(770)788-6843 |
| | |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Shinning Star BBS Doors|D |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Sunrise Door Software |D |Al Lawerence |
| | |[email protected] |
| | |(404)256-9518 |
| | |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|The Brainex System |D |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Trade Wars Door Game |D |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ |
| | |1:299/110 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Vagabond Software |D |Bryan Turner |
| | |[email protected] |
| | |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/ |
| | |1:124/7013 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|FMail Support |T |[email protected] |
| | |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/ |
| | |2:280/1076 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Squish Tosser |T |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Argus RITLABS |M |[email protected] |
| | |373-2-246889 |
| | |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ |
FIDONEWS 19-05 Page 23 4 Feb 2002

| | |2:469/84 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|FrontDoor |MTPC|Definite Solutions |
|FrontDoor APX | |[email protected] |
|Mailer/Point Software | |http://www.defsol.se/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|BeeMail Home Page |M |http://beemail.gexonline.net |
| | |Stephen Proffit |
| | |1:211/405 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/ |
|Frontend Mailer | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|BinkD |MI |[email protected] |
| | |http://2f.ru/binkd/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Fidogate |UIT |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.fidogate.org/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Fidonet to Internet |IM |Bo Bendtsen |
|Mailer | |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|GiGo Software |UI |http://www.gigo.com/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Internet Rex |IM |[email protected] |
| | |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Tmail |IM |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm |
|(Russian /w English DL)| | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|TransX Multiboard |M |[email protected] |
|Communications Inc. | |http://www.multiboard.com/software/ |
| | |transx.html |
| | |1:2401/305 |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|TransNet |I |[email protected] |
| | |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Watergate |I |[email protected] |
| | |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/ |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU |http://www.jetsys.de/ |
|JetStat and other Atari| | |
|Fidonet utilities | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|APoint (Author) |P |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm|
| | |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho) |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|CrossPoint |P |("Original" version) |
| | |http://www.crosspoint.de |
| | |http://www.apoint-mail.de |
| | |(OpenXP Projekt) |
| | |http://www.openxp.com (English) |
| | |http://www.openxp.de (German) |
| | |CrossPoint (XP2 Team) |
FIDONEWS 19-05 Page 24 4 Feb 2002

| | |http://www.xp2.de |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|WinPoint95 |P |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|The OpenXP CrossPoint |P |http://www.happyarts.de/xp |
|Projekt | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|Terminate Terminal |P |http://www.terminate.com |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
|PPoint-FTS compatible |P |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm |
|E-Mail System | | |
|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
\====================================================================/

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=================================================================
JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET
=================================================================

------------------------------------------------------
*Fidonet-related sites

. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
Last update: 9:41 PM 1/6/02

Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
Joe Jared, 1:103/301, [email protected]. All email addresses
here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
obtaining a feed. Please do not list the virtual email addresses
on any web page.

- = slated for removal (Invalid URL)
? = Unable to connect

FidoNet
Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
Echolist: http://www.tlchost.net/echolist/
Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html
Parody: http://www.fidonet.ro/
Foti http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org
History http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org

Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.r10.org
Net 102 http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
Net 203: <vacant>
Region 11: http://www.vector11.com/region11/
Net 2410: http://www.vector11.com/net2410/
Region 13: http://www.ispaceonline.org/region13/
Net 109: http://www.thelitterbox.net/fido/net109/
Net 261: http://www.baltimorepress.com/~net261/
Net 275: http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/
Net 267: http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/net267/
Net 275: http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/

Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
Region 15: http://www.bobsplc.com/public/reg15
Region 16: <vacant>
Region 17: http://www.region17.net
Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
FIDONEWS 19-05 Page 26 4 Feb 2002

Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19
Net 124: http://www.DallasInet.com/net124/
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/flv/
Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
Region 25: <Vacant>
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.fidospain.org
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5028: HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
?? Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
Net 5074: http://www.n5074.z2.fidonet.net
?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

Zone 4:
Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://r65.yeah.net
http://www.cfido.com (Chinese)

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
FIDONEWS 19-05 Page 27 4 Feb 2002

appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
also receive routed notice of this feature.

v-email flag [email protected]
| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | CABLE | n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 @ Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/2000 | Bob Juge | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ??? | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
134/11 @ Michael Grant | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
aDSL, 60 | n/c
138/146 | Marc Blakely | BinkP,FTP | ??? | n/c
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
142/906 | Chris Griffin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
150/220 | Dave Nemeth | UUE | ??? | n/c
153/7715 | Dallas Hinton | BinkD, FTP | CABLE | ???
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
167/166 | Jesse Dooling | POP? UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c
220/10 | [email protected] |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c
229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? |
229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c
250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c
261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c
323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
360/5 | Bennie Hutto | FTP VMoT | aDSL | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
393/9005 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ??? | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkP VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c
396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c
2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c
2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c
FIDONEWS 19-05 Page 28 4 Feb 2002

2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/1275 | @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek |FTP, BinkD | OC3 n/c
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c
28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c
47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c
201/505 | Goran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c
255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c
263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c
280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c
280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c
292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/534 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c
341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | |
341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | |
343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | |
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | |
348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | |
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/558 | Vlad Hrusca | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek | FTP, BinkP | 100Mb | n/c
5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
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Zone 4
801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
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Zone 6
65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free
653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free
654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free
654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free

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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* TX = TransX
* NFS = Linux Networking
* ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
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Nodelist Stats

Input nodelist nodelist.032
size 1146.0kb
date 2002-02-01

The nodelist has 10368 nodes in it
and a total of 13303 non-comment entries

including 6 zones
65 regions
473 hosts
712 hubs
admin overhead 1256 ( 12.11 %)

and 910 private nodes
357 nodes down
412 nodes on hold
off line overhead 1679 ( 16.19 %)

Speed summary:

>9600 = 949 ( 9.15 %)
9600 = 8848 ( 85.34 %)
(HST = 182 or 2.06 %)
(CSP = 1 or 0.01 %)
(PEP = 13 or 0.15 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 2 or 0.02 %)
(V32 = 4969 or 56.16 %)
(V32B = 560 or 6.33 %)
(V42 = 4803 or 54.28 %)
(V42B = 597 or 6.75 %)
2400 = 112 ( 1.08 %)
1200 = 6 ( 0.06 %)
300 = 453 ( 4.37 %)

ISDN = 1134 ( 10.94 %)

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File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems
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XA Frontdoor <1.99b 3855
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
Xenia
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XB Binkleyterm 2.0 9
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Dutchie 2.90b
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XC Opus 1.1 11
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XP Seadog 7
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XR Opus 1.03 71
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XW Fido >12M 403
Tabby
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XX D'Bridge 1.30 4541
Frontdoor 1.99b
Intermail 2.01
Tmail
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None QMM 1471
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CrashMail capable = 3496 ( 33.72 %)
MailOnly nodes = 5533 ( 53.37 %)
Listed-only nodes = 799 ( 7.71 %)
Other = 540 ( 5.21 %)

[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]

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