The F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 49 03 Dec 2001

The F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 49 03 Dec 2001
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Copyright 2001 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.

Table of Contents
1. [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ] ..................................... 1
2. [ INSIDE ] ............................................... 2
The Fidonews At A Glance ................................. 2
3. [ GENERAL ARTICLES ] ..................................... 3
Fidonet is a BBS Organization ............................ 3
4. [ GUEST EDITORIAL ] ...................................... 4
The Soldiers Project ..................................... 4
5. [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ] ...................... 7
Ol'WDB's Column .......................................... 7
6. [ QUESTION OF THE WEEK ] ................................. 9
"Does Fidonet need a completely new collection of *Cs?" .. 9
7. [ ANSWERS OF THE WEEK ] .................................. 10
From: Aleksej R. Serdyukov ............................ 10
Dear Reverend Visage ..................................... 10
From: Todd Sullivan ................................... 12
8. [ EDITOR'S CORNER ] ...................................... 14
FidoNet logo inquiry ..................................... 14
9. [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ] .................................. 16
The diary of a user ...................................... 16
10. [ SPECIAL INTEREST ] .................................... 18
Information on Doug Myers? ............................... 18
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 19
11. [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ] ............ 21
*Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's* ......................... 21
12. [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ] ..................... 27
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 27
13. [ FIDONEWS INFORMATION ] ................................ 33
How to Submit an Article ................................. 33
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 34
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[ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]
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"I Have a Degree in Liberal Arts - Do You Want Fries With That?"

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[ INSIDE ]
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The Fidonews At A Glance

Ed Williams of "The Goblin's Reach BBS (1:128/148)" joins us in the
"General Articles" with some thoughts about Fidonet and BBS'

In the "Guest Editorial" section we hear from Ward Dossche with a
project that, while not exactly Fidonet related, may be of interest to
some in Fidonet.

The "Question of the Week" this week comes from Todd Sullivan.

Aleksej R. Serdyukov provides us his thoughts on last week's
"Question" and brings to light some of the parts of Policy 4 that he
feels needs corrected.

Doc Logger visits us with an answer to last week's "Question".
Hey, Doc. When you gonna join Fidonet again?? :)

Todd Sullivan gives us his view on last week's "Question" as well as
a question that he feels should be asked. Hmmm....

The "Editor's Corner" received an E-mail asking about the Fidonet
Logo for a history book being written. Well.. At least Fidonet will go
down in history somewhere. :)

Warren Bonner visits us with some thoughts on Bulletin Board,
Christmas shopping and other things.

For those of you who knew Doug Myers and might have some information
about him, you might check the "Special Interest" section for the
article "Information on Doug Myers?".

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[ GENERAL ARTICLES ]
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Fidonet is a BBS Organization
Ed Williams [email protected]

To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: Your Fidonews Column

Hello,

After reading your column in this week's fidonews, you helped spur
some thought late last night..

Here's the thought...
Fidonet is a BBS organization. We need users, whether we admit to it
or not, or indeed everything we do, can be done on the internet.
Without supporting users! There is precious little difference between
each of us and some web pages.

Supporting users and their interests is what makes us different.

There is utterly no effort on the part of the masses of Fidonet
systems to actually put out to the public anything which will
encourage them to join us, giving us in return something to do other
than sit back and pick endlessly on each other, and struggle over
things that if we were busy hammering a decent BBS, supporting new
users to the system, we would consider not only mute, but childish.

I'd like to hear your, (and others), comments on my thought here.
What you might like to see be done, and so on. You have my permission
to use in the Fidonews if you choose.

Ed Williams
The Goblin's Reach BBS (1:128/148)

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[ GUEST EDITORIAL ]
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THE SOLDIERS PROJECT
by Ward Dossche

Early on the morning of April 8th 1915 private Achille Adhemar
DELAFONTAINE, born February 4th 1898, conscripted in the 2nd company
of the 1st regiment "Fusiliers" in 1914 bearing the serial number
61013 arrived at the Word War I battlefield near Diksmuide in
Belgium to fight in a war he did not want, whom his fellow soldiers
did not want and whom the German enemy on the other side of the river
Ijzer did not want either.

A few minutes later he was hit by a stray bullet in the no-man's land
position he occupied. His death did not suit a purpose and became a
matter of statistics. His unit retreated and left his remains behind.
They were buried by the Germans in a location described as the
"railroad bridge near 'Drie Grachten'", his death was mentioned to
the International Red Cross but his grave's marker was most likely
destroyed in subsequent artillery duels and he became one of the many
whom the fortunes of war denied a known grave.

Achille Ademar DELAFONTAINE was my grandmother's brother and would
have been my great-uncle had I ever had the fortune of meeting him.

There have been millions of them belonging to different armies
fighting each other and while doing so seeking the blessing of the
same God. However, they have something remarkable else in common: in
each and every case they were always someone's father, someone's
brother or someone's child. Lost in the statistics and faded away in
time but often deeply remembered in the hearts of the loved-ones that
stayed behind ! their children, their brothers and sisters, their
father, their mother! In many cases their legacy was passed down the
generations and even today they are remembered.

For years until her death in 1979 I've heard my grandmother talk
about her brother and it was a pain for her there even was no grave
to go to. Until she passed away she always kept his photograph
displayed.

Eventually I started discovering the military cemeteries in Ypres
Salient, an area very well known in English history as so many died
there stuck in the mud, shot at, gunned, bombed, mined, gassed!
They came from places like Edinburgh, Brighton, New Delhi, Rangoon,
Marakech, Leopoldville, Kentucky ! they were white, black, yellow and
brown! They were Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, atheist! Many died
thousands of miles from home for a cause they most likely did not
understand!

But they died anyway. Many are remembered by a grave, a lot are not.

Quite likely one of the most impressive memorials worldwide to
commemorate soldiers fallen during a war is the Menen Gate in Ypres
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(Belgium) where some 64.000 names are recorded of British MIA's. When
they ran out of space to put more names other cemeteries in the
neighbourhood received walls with panels and more panels. The total
tally runs into several hundreds of thousand of soldiers missing in
action in one geographically small area alone. When you reflect upon
it and remember that everyone of these men was a son, a brother or a
father then it is very difficult to fathom the human suffering that
it must have caused.

The Ypres Memorial is unique though. Ever since in the 1920's
somewhere local people, out of gratitude for the soldiers who gave
their lives, started a daily "Last Post" ceremony. The ceremony got
interrupted during the 2nd World War but resumed after and early
November 2001 it was performed for the 25.000th time. The local
firebrigade took it upon them to provide the buglers during all these
years.

It is impressive, every evening whatever the weather nor time of the
year at 8pm traffic comes to a complete stop, people become silent
and the buglers play the "Last Post". It lasts about 75 seconds but
echoes in the Arch of the gate and haunts you afterwards.

Every year on November 11th the 1918 Armistice is remembered by a
special ceremony with the firefighters band from Devon (U.K.) and a
bagpipe band from Scotland. I go there every year that evening with
my children, they don't have to go but insist on coming along ! There
are no speeches, just one single voice saying these words:

They shall grow not old,
as we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them,
nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun,
and in the morning
we will remember them

The buglers play, poppy-wreaths are laid down! Poppys everywhere,
paper ones, real ones and John McCrae's epic poem "In Flander's
Fields" comes a bit to life. The bagpipes play a solemn hymn and the
ceremony is terminated with a rendition of "God Save the Queen" sung
by the thousands who are present there that evening every year.

Over the years it occurred to me that people from continents far away
will never have the opportunity to attend such a ceremony but with
our 21st century technology we have some solutions to offer and 2
ideas grew in my mind.

The first one was to create an internet site with video-images of
the November 11th ceremony so that people as far away as New Zealand
could click on the site and see as well as listen to the "Last Post"
of November 11th 2001, see some photographs from Menen Gate, witness
the singing of the British anthem.

You are all welcome at my site http://many-glacier.mine.nu/ypres/ to
see for yourselves.

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A second thing that's been nagging me over the years is that I've
been confronted with so many people from all over the world looking
for a grave-site, people from Australia who saved for 50-60 years to
be able to make this one trip and spend a few minutes near a marker
of someone they maybe only know from family history.

Also here technology has something to offer.

A while ago a Canadian started the Maple Leaf Legacy Project, it was
his quest to put a photograph on the internet of every individual
grave marker of a Canadian soldier killed anywhere in the world. He
is talking about some 115.000 photographs, a huge site. To learn
more about this you can visit this site: http://www.mllp.demon.co.uk/

Similar projects are now going for putting the graves of soldiers
from New Zealand and Australia on the web.

I would like to take the next step and provide a virtual grave-
marker on the internet for every soldier that fought, died and was
buried or MIA during World War 1. The majority are British or from
the British colonies plus French. There are also a lot of Belgians,
there are Americans and let's not forget there were also German sons
and brothers and fathers who were equally mourned by their loved-ones.

The project I am talking about is humongous, I have no clue whether
it can be funded because it will take a shipload of money, I have no
idea whether it can be achieved in my life-time (just turned 51 last
week) but I do know one thing: I need partners and associates, people
willing to spend time photographing, people willing to spend time
building html-pages, people managing the site, people running the
operation ! there's a need for lobbyists, fundraisers, speakers,
do-ers !

Many will be needed and therefore I am turning towards the Fido-
community. In the past I've been amazed often enough to discover
what kind of gems can be hidden in the sysop-community; I wonder
now if some of these gems are left.

Lip-service is welcome but I need practical input. People volun-
teering must realize we're talking about years here and I have no
clue of "how many". Certainly more than a decade, maybe even more
than 2 decades. That is the kind of commitments I am looking forward
to.

If we can assemble a dedicated taskteam that would be an important
first step. Next would be a businessplan and see where the funding
could be coming from.

You know my netmail-address. If not, it is 2:292/854. Via e-mail I
can be reached at [email protected]. If you think you can contribute in
one way or the other then please let me know.

In any case let us remember that war has never been a solution in
itself!

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Ol'WDB's Column
[email protected]

Thanks to those who wrote me in response to my column.
It is appreciated and warmly accepted, even those that think I may be
"paranoid" about those that delight in back-biting. True, I don't
like to see such EXCEPT with "tongue in cheek and a smiley". That
takes the sting out of unnecessary rebuke and somewhat softens the
rudeness.

Now to other things that may help you with a problem, or enhance your
enjoyment of your BBS and the Internet. It has come to pass that the
Internet is the free ride that replaces the long distance charges CRP
used in past years to make up for. (CRP a minimum charge assessed each
node for the import of echoes and files.) We seem to be in a quandary
trying to adopt guidelines that pleases policy and works for everyone
no matter h/h selection of methods of networking with other BBSes in
Fidonet. I think the RCC is trying hard to resolve some of the most
pressing problems from what I have been told. I hope they can agree
on a list of necessities, and resolve them one by one in a timely
manner. Perhaps some special committees may be useful in searching
out the root situation solutions and presenting to the ZCC. Fido must
grow with the technology or be left behind as was the old Commodore
C-64 with its 300 baud modem. And perhaps the blend of the many ways
to access Fidonet will gradually become easier for all new and future
Fido-nodes. We need to make that come to be for our survival as a
network and hobby.

Now a tip on a real good source of helpful information no matter what
operating system you are using. Sign up by sending a note to:
[email protected] ,or at: http://www.komando.com/media/newsletter
Every Saturday Kim delivers her timely and informative Newsletter
absolutely FREE, and we NEVER sell our list of subscribers, so your
e-mail address is safe with us! She is also on hundreds of radio
sta.s on Saturdays, info in newsletter for your area. Many tips on
setups and menu controls for all windows and other Op. Sys.

Holiday shopping is here! There are more and more purchases each year
on the Ebay and other Internet stores, and more and more Scam artists
putting up E-Stores to pick your pocket if you sucker into their deals
that are ever so enticing. May help if you first check with: Consumer
protection and advice for e-commerce and the Internet, check out the
Federal Trade Commission online:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/menu-internet.htm

Another tip on free software I received:
WARREN, Free Software now available to you from Sega, IBM, Disney,
Simon & Schuster and many others!

Click here: http://www.freesoftwarepromotions.com/100012
<a href="http://www.freesoftwarepromotions.com/100012">AOL Members
Click Here</a>
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All titles are full-version, CD-ROMs (not shareware or demos) that are
currently sold in retail outlets for as much as $50 each.

No guarantees on my part, just passing the word along for some of you
who may have lost favorite oldie/goody games and want to replace
it/them for the holidays for the kiddies, or other working programs
you use. The price is hard to beat!

Warm Regards,
Ol'wdb

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[ QUESTION OF THE WEEK ]
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This week's question comes from Todd Sullivan in reply to last week's
question.

"Does Fidonet need a completely new collection of *Cs?"

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[ ANSWERS OF THE WEEK ]
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Does Fidonet need a Policy?
From: Aleksej R. Serdyukov

Sure, but of course, with some changes..

Basically because it is old (11 or 12 years is not good for policies,
either real or computer).

1.2.1.2 Points - heh, I don't like some of the part ;) ok..

>1.3.1 FidoNews
>FidoNews is a weekly newsletter distributed in electronic form
>throughout the network. It is an important medium by which FidoNet
>sysops communicate with each other. FidoNews provides a sense of
>being a community of people with common interests. Accordingly,
>sysops and users are encouraged to contribute to FidoNews.
>Contributions are submitted to node 1:1/1; a file describing the
>format to be used is available from 1:1/1 and many other systems.

Hmm.. May be, it is for those times, when the editor was 1:1/1 ?

>2.1.9 Private Nodes

>Private listings which are for the convenience of one sysop (at the
>expense of every other sysop in FidoNet) are a luxury which is no
>longer possible.

I think it is neordinary and... if it was true, there weren't so many
Private nodes ;)

>4.2 "Bombing run"

I think it would be very useful to replace it by more modern word -
"spam".

I haven't said also, that P4 says main part of FidoNet is NETMAIL. And
echos are only mightly but not biggest part of it.. It calls "netmail"
"normal mail", (like all software, but software cannot detect it
exactly ;)

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Dear Editorbeing,

This article is submitted by Charles Herriot ([email protected]),
late of 163/110, late of Region 12, etc, etc, who managed to chain Doc
Logger to a keyboard long enough to get this screed wrapped in fish
and sent off to his adoring fan...

Roll da flic, Frank...

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Dear Reverend Visage,

I've cued up the soundtrack from The Rocky Horror Picture Show and
cranked the volume past the pain threshold in order to play "Let's Do
The Time Warp Again." I needed appropriate ambience to wade through
the Important and Urgent Question posed as this week's topic. It would
be crass of me to mention that it has been the exact same Urgent and
Absolutely Pressing question since Fido was a puppy, back when less
than 70% of Cher was plastic appendages.

Bundled in the same issue of Fidonet was a rather petulant screed from
my dear friend Andrea Santos who was whinging (whinging, not
whining...never whining) about the End of Civilization that might
ensue if geographic purity (has a sort of fascist cadence to it,
doesn't it?) were allowed to be sullied by the evil swine in Net 229.
Andrea blows the usual headgaskets speculating about the UnPatriotic
motives of Net229 and assures us that Her altruism is of a richer hue,
a firmer weave, than those node-mongering anarchists in Net229. She
urges them to either go to hell, or Region12 ( same thing) if they
don't share her cloacally restricted sentiments. (Oh for pity's sake,
stop snickering. Andrea is a Western Art Treasure.)

To get back to the original issue: Do we need policy? The answer is
self-evident. Of course "we" do. Where else will socially maladroit
people find refuge when their limitations might otherwise compell them
to recognize that rules and regulations are a perfect substitute for
common sense? Where else will people whose daily lives indicate that
they lack management skills, or cooperative skills, can accelerate
themselves into lofty titles and positions of authority. Look on the
bright side, without the titles that go with the Policy dictated
fiefdoms, most of these people would have been deprived of their
highest achievement in life. To want such powers or authority in
Fidonet is perhaps a little demented and deranged but insisting on the
absolute need for Policy is a kindness to them. Take Andrea, for
example, she is made whole - sanctimoniously satisfied - by whipping
on the little puppies in Net229 who DARE to question the insanity of
the Geographic Rule. Okay, so maybe she needs more vegetables in her
diet or perhaps needs a real hobby, but you have to allow for a world
where her needs are equally important as that segment of the
population possessed of any shreds of common sense. The socially inept
need love and understanding too, you know.

I see also that the poor Editorbeing is doing the usual handwringing
about what should be "allowed" into the electronic pages of his organ.
It is a dilemma that has plagued all Snooz editors and they never seem
to achieve grace with their answers before they undergo spontaneous
human combustion (a Snooz editor occupational hazard.) Flooding into
the Snooz editor's mailbox will come the usual mouthbreathing demands
that The Snooz be kept free from extraneous drivel (like this article,
for example) and left as the sole preserve of the Plastic Pocket Pen
Protector club who can discuss the gruesomely technical aspects from
the tinfoil shrouded sanctity of their basement apartments. The same
people who send this sort of WhineMail(tm) are evolutionarily
incapable of actually writing anything else. They know what they want,
damnit, they just need a Big Person to hold the crayons and actually
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write it. At this point it is de regeure to quote the seer and
prophet, Tom Jennings: ("Make mine a double cheese", Tom Jennings,
April, 1987) Which lends a sort of historical impramentur to whatever
dead horse is being flogged at the moment. Personally, I think it a
damned fine thing that the last Snooz was 3 pages of articles followed
by 17 pages of a telephone book. It would only have been better if
Rosanna Arquette's phone number had been in there.

The sad and simple truth that causes Snooz editors to eventually
become insane or to become sociologists (which is pretty much the same
thing) is that there are only three people who actually read the
Snooz. The *C-beings avoid it like the plague because gawd forbid that
they stoop to accountability or communication, and the legions of
sysops only cherish it for the bragging rights they can attain from
the incredible transfer speeds they achieve in whipping it out to
their downstream nodes' trash baskets. Dallas Hinton reads it to
satisfy himself that it is safe for children to read, and the third
reader is stuck on the Falkland Islands with 30,000 sheep. Hell, even
poor Mr. Bonner's heartfelt request for a little civility in the
echoes was probably lost on almost everyone. (I'd have read the
article myself if I hadn't been in such a frenzy to find Rosanna
Arquette's telephone number or to discover if the software upgrade to
my Sinclair ZX-81 was listed in the software section.Sorry Warren, as
they say "poo happens".)

To attempt to bring home the cows on this rambling piece, one of my
favourite exclamations of the Policymongers is the aghast expression:
"We have to have rules. Why...Why...without them we'd have...
(meangingful pause here).. that would be anarchy!" (followed by
another pause to wipe the rivulet of spittle from their chins.) You
can try to get these mouthbreathers to understand that the concept of
"anarchy" is not synonimous with "chaos" but it is largely futile. You
can almost imagine the life-crisis these same people would face if
their peas ever touched their carrots on the dinner plate - my gawd,
more anarchy. Fidonet was created as an exercise in workable anarchy
and would have done fine had it not been hijacked by policymongering
claim jumpers who recognized that the very premise of two individuals
making an intelligent compact ruled themselves out as participants. An
egalitarian society must embrace the cretinous as well as the lame,
and so it is that Fido is replete with people whose approach to rules
make Mugabe look like a dangerous populist.

I must go, Visage, your secretary is screaming again which is a real
puzzle because it has only been five minutes since I parked the D9
Caterpiller beside my desk. As the good and decent people that we are,
we should send her speelunking in Afghanistan.

Regards
Doc Logger
Furlang Island,
South Pacific

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Does Fidonet Need a Policy?
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From: Todd Sullivan

That all depends.

Check Fido performance, manners and efficiency before and after
Policy. Whichever's better (and I'm betting it was /before/) is your
answer.

I'm going to stick my neck out and declare Policy isn't at fault.
Policy was written - apparently - by the *Cs.

The question /should/ be "Does Fidonet need a completely new
collection of *Cs?"

Todd Sullivan

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[ EDITOR'S CORNER ]
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FidoNet logo inquiry
By Frank Vest
1:1/23
[email protected]

As editor of the Fidonews, I get messages at the
"[email protected]" address with everything from articles to
viruses. The articles, of course, I accept and put in the Fidonews,
the viruses, I delete. Then there are those inquiries like the one
below that make me stop and go "Duh... Hmmm... I don't know the
answer. Let me think on this a minute." :-)

---- begin quoted message
"Hello there,

This is Marti LaChance with Smart Computing magazine. We're working on
an Encyclopedia of Computing, a printed volume due out in the spring
of 2002. I'm writing to ask permission to use the dog-with-diskette
logo for our FidoNet entry. I'm thinking of the image on
fidonet.fidonet.org called "doggy," but will use the FidoNet logo you
prefer.

If this is ok with you, do you have a high-resolution copy of your
logo?

I have sent a similar inquiry to Tom Jennings, but have heard no
response."
---- end quoted message

FWIW, here's the basics of my reply:

----- cut
"I'm really not sure where to go with your request. Fidonet is a hobby
network and there are many "logo"s for Fidonet. I'm attaching the one
that is registered as a trademark (Trade2.logo). The most commonly
known is the ASCII "Dog with Diskette" that appears in the text
version of the Fidonews. As far as which one to use in your
"Encyclopedia of Computing", I really don't know which one to tell you
to use."
----- cut

I still don't know if I helped at all, but I did receive a reply
indicating that they were going to use the trademark version.

It is kinda nice to know in this day and age of computing that
Fidonet still has a place in history. Just thought I'd pass this
along in case anyone is interested. :)

The url for "Smart Computing magazine" is
FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 15 3 Dec 2001

http://www.smartcomputing.com/

in case anyone is interested in looking their site over.

Regards,

Frank Vest

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[ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]
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The diary of a user
Petko Bossakov
2:535/1

18.7. i tried to call a bbs. i hear it's very interesting and fun, but
i can't connect. i must have done something wrong.

19.7. at the computer store they told me that i need a modem. it seems
that they think that i am stupid and want to take my
money. hmm. no way.

22.7. i bought a modem. i tried to connect it to the monitor and the
printer, but it didn't work.

23.7. finally i made the modem work. the son of the neighbours (he's
only 9 years old) connected it. unfortunately it still doesn't
work and i can't connect to a bbs.

25.7. the neighbours' kid gave me some software. he seems smarter than
those computer store guys who sold me the modem. they didn't
tell me that i need special programs to use the modem and i'm
sure they didn't know that.

26.7. damn! what's that "internet" thing? i thought that internet and
bbs are the same. i'm pretty confused.

27.7. the neighbours' kid showed me how to use a browser. i told him
that when he grows up he'll become a great programmer, and he
said that even now he feels like a genius compared to me. hmm.
he must be kidding.

28.7. today i tried to chat. i tried talking to the computer, but
nothing happenned. Maybe i have to buy a microphone.

29.7. i found something called a "forum". it's great!

30.7. these guys in the forum can use capital letters. i wonder how do
they do it? they must have different keyboards.

31.7. I CALLED THE STORE FROM WHICH I BOUGHT THE COMPUTER TO COMPLAIN
THAT I DON'T HAVE CAPITAL LETTER KEYS. THEY TOLD ME TO PRESS THE
CAPS LOCK KEY. AND WHEN I ALSO COMPLAINED THAT ONE OF THE SHIFT
KEYS IS WIDER THAN THE OTHER, THEY SAID IT WAS A STANDARD. BUT I
DON'T WANT A STANDARD KEYBOARD! I WANT A NORMAL KEYBOARD. IT
SEEMS THAT MY NOTE WAS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THEY THANKED ME AND
SAID THAT THE WHOLE TECHNICAL SUPPORT DEPARTMENT WAS LISTENING
TO ME ON THE SPEAKERPHONE.

1.8. I FOUND A FORUM. THEY SAID THAT THERE I CAN FIND ANSWERS TO ALL
MY QUESTIONS. I SENT 44 QUESTIONS ABOUT COMPUTERS AND INTERNET. I
HOPE I GET AN ANSWER SOON.

FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 17 3 Dec 2001

2.8. I FOUND ANOTHER FORUM, ABOUT JOKES. I DECIDED TO SEND THEM A JOKE
ABOUT A CHICKEN THAT CROSSED THE ROAD. HOWEVER, I WASN'T SURE
THAT IT WILL WORK, SO I SENT IT 56 MORE TIMES.

3.8. EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT A WORLD WIDE WEB. I NEVER IMAGINED THAT
THERE CAN BE SO BIG SPIDERS. THEY MUST BE GENETICALLY MODIFIED.

4.8. THE FORUM MODERATOR ANSWERED ME. HE WASN'T VERY NICE AND I GOT
PRETTY ANGRY. THAT'S WHY I WROTE IN THE FORUM WHAT I THINK ABOUT
HIM. I WASN'T VERY SURE THAT IT WAS SENT, SO I SENT THE LETTER 22
MORE TIMES.

5.8. SOMEONE HAS LEFT ME A NOTE TO READ THE FAQ. THAT GOT ME EVEN
ANGRIER. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT FAQS ARE FOR IDIOTS.

7.8. If writing in capitals isn't polite, why do we need a Caps Lock?
They should make keyboards without it. They'd be cheaper this
way.

8.8. I received a letter where I read how I can make lots of money. I
carried out all the instructions, added my name and put it in all
forums that I could find.

9.8. I set the letter as my signature. It's only 6 kilobytes. There is
still some cosmetical work on it though.

10.8. In a forum I read that all lamers must die. I read a few more
messages, and now I completely agree. I just have to find out
who are those lamers, after all.

11.8. I asked where I can find the last version of Tetris. A guy told
me to look for it in 2:50**/**. I searched for hours, but I
couldn't find that forum.

12.8. Now I can't ask the neighbours' boy about anything. His parents
wouldn't let him. They say that every time he came to visit me,
he never stopped laughing, so he could neither eat nor study.

In the humor forum they didn't like my joke about the chicken.
They seem to prefer other kinds of jokes. I received lots of
other letters, but there are only symbols like @#$%^.

13.8. I asked in all the forums who are these lamers and where is
2:50**/****. I forgot to use my new signature (it's only 8
kilobytes).

14.8. I can't connect to the Internet. The sysop has left me a message
not to call any more. :(

15.8. I found out that there are other providers in town. At least I
can call them...

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FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 18 3 Dec 2001

=================================================================
[ SPECIAL INTEREST ]
=================================================================

Information on Doug Myers?
From Dale Garside

Editor's Note: The below was sent to me via the "editor@fidonews"
address and, obviously intended for Warren Bonner. I forwarded it to
Warren who replied to me and suggested I include it in the Fidonews.
Since Fidonet is known for trying to be helpful and someone reading
this might know of some further information, I thought it a good idea.
- Frank

Dear Warren,

I am Doug Myer's half brother, Dale. Doug's father died when he was
less than one year old, and his mother married my father a year later
in the Harrisburg, PA area. We grew up in Summerdale, just three years
apart, and we were very close. I could tell you many stories ...

I also have some photos and copies of his cartoon strip about a pirate
ship crew, "Colombo." (before the TV show by the same name). The
cartoons are good stuff, and even Johnny Hart looked at them once and
was very complimentary about the quality of Doug's artwork and text.
Doug had tried to get the cartoons syndicated, but it never happened.
I still think his work is brilliant.

I read the tributes to Doug in Fidonet's September 24, 2000 issue, and
I am deeply grateful to have them recorded. If more people did write
in subsequent issues, I would like to access those tributes, as well,
so I can share them with our family (Rehkugler and Garside). None of
the Myers relatives, except his ex-wife and three sons, are alive now,
but already his son, Jeremy, would like to have copies of any tributes
to his father.

Since you have known Doug for some time, perhaps you could point out
any interesting things he has written via Fidonet or in correspondence
to friends. We would deeply appreciate any insights into my most
intelligent and generous brother.

Feel free to share this information via Fidonet, or in E-mails to
Doug's friends. There is some consolation in finding others who knew
and appreciated Doug. We would love to hear more ...

Dale

Dale Garside, Ph.D.
P.O. Box 800761
Toccoa Falls, GA 30598
1-706-886-6831x5421
email: [email protected]

Dale, Bev, & Rachel Garside
107 Fern Valley Dr.
FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 19 3 Dec 2001

Toccoa, GA 30577
1-706-282-7011
email: [email protected]

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Nodelist Stats

INPUT NODELIST FILE : NODELIST.334
File has a Date Stamp of : 11/30/2001
File Size (uncompressed) : 1183.04 KBytes.

The Input Nodelist file has 10817 Nodes in it
and a total of 13928 non-comment entries.

The list has 6 Zones listed.
65 Region Coordinators listed.
489 Network Hosts listed.
740 Hubs listed.
374 DOWN Nodes listed.
886 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
551 HOLD Nodes listed.

Administrative overhead = 1300 ( 12.02 %)
PRIVATE NODES overhead = 886 ( 8.19 %)

Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
9600 = 9266 ( 85.66 %)
(HST's = 199 or 2.15 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
(CSP's = 2 or 0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
(PEP's = 15 or 0.16 % " " " " )
(MAX's = 0 or 0.00 % " " " " )
(HAY's = 3 or 0.03 % " " " " )
(V32's = 5227 or 56.41 % " " " " )
(V32B's = 618 or 6.67 % " " " " )
(V42's = 4997 or 53.93 % " " " " )
(V42B's = 667 or 7.20 % " " " " )
2400 = 107 ( 0.99 %)
1200 = 6 ( 0.06 %)
300 = 475 ( 4.39 %)

----------------------------------------------------------
F_Req Flag Applicable Software Number of Systems
----------------------------------------------------------
XA Frontdoor <1.99b 4137
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
--------------------------------------
XB Binkleyterm 2.0 10
Dutchie 2.90b
--------------------------------------
XC Opus 1.1 11
--------------------------------------
FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 20 3 Dec 2001

XP Seadog 7
--------------------------------------
XR Opus 1.03 74
--------------------------------------
XW Fido >12M 408
Tabby
--------------------------------------
XX D'Bridge 1.30 4639
Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
--------------------------------------

CrashMail capable = 3862 ( 35.70 %)
MailOnly Nodes = 5627 ( 52.02 %)
Listed-Only Nodes = 814 ( 7.53 %)

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FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 21 3 Dec 2001

=================================================================
[ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]
=================================================================

*Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
BBS Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
BBBS Home Page
[email protected]
http://www.bbbs.net/

ELEBBS- The Elevator Software Productions Web Page
[email protected]
http://www.elebbs.com/

Hermes II Project (Mac)
[email protected]
http://www.hermesii.org/

Maximus BBS Support Page (Non Official)
[email protected]
http://www.vector11.com/maximus/

MBSE BBS
Michiel Broek + development team
[email protected]
http://mbse.sourceforge.net
2:2802/2 Michiel Broek.

Mystic BBS
http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/

Nexus Bulletin Board System
[email protected]
http://www.nexusbbs.net/

Proboard
Telegrafix Communications Inc.
[email protected]
540-678-4050
http://www.telegrafix.com

RemoteAccess Central
Bruce Morse
[email protected]
http://www.rapro.com/

Searchlight
Telegrafix Communications Inc.
[email protected]
540-678-4050
http://www.telegrafix.com

Spitfire BBS
FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 22 3 Dec 2001

Buffalo Creek Software
[email protected]
http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/index.html

Synchronet BBS
[email protected]
http://www.synchro.net

Telegard BBS
[email protected]
http://www.telegard.net/

Wildcat Interactive Net Server (BBS)
Santronics Inc.
[email protected]
(305)248-3204
http://www.santronics.com

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Door Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bentstone Capabilities Group
[email protected]
http://www.srupc.com/mall

Jibben Software
[email protected]
http://www.jibbensoftware.com/

JNS Software Door Games
Rusty Johnson
[email protected]
304-733-0113
http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/

Legend Of The Red Dragon Reborn (L.O.R.D.)
http://www.lordlegacy.org/

PC Pursuits
[email protected]
(301)240-6653
http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm

S and T Software
Mark Bappe
[email protected]
(770)788-6843
http://bozax.iainc.net/public/

Shinning Star BBS Doors
[email protected]
http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/

Sunrise Door Software
Al Lawerence
[email protected]
FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 23 3 Dec 2001

(404)256-9518
http://www.sunrisedoors.com/

The Brainex System
[email protected]
http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/

Trade Wars Door Game
[email protected]
http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
1:299/110

Vagabond Software
Bryan Turner
[email protected]
http://vagabond.virtualave.net/
1:124/7013

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mail Tossers
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
FMail Support
[email protected]
http://fmail.nl.eu.org/
2:280/1076

Squish Tosser
http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mailer Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Argus
RITLABS
[email protected]
373-2-246889
http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
2:469/84

FrontDoor, FrontDoor APX, Mailer/Point Software
Definite Solutions
[email protected]
http://www.defsol.se/

BeeMail Home Page
http://beemail.gexonline.net
Stephen Proffit
1:211/405

BinkleyTerm XE Frontend Mailer Software
http://btxe.sourceforge.net/

Plantinum Express for Wildcat
Santronics Inc.
[email protected]
(305)248-3204
FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 24 3 Dec 2001

http://www.santronics.com

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Fidonet via Internet Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Argus
RITLABS
[email protected]
373-2-246889
http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
2:469/84

BinkD
[email protected]
http://2f.ru/binkd/

Fidogate
[email protected]
http://www.fidogate.org/

Fidonet to Internet Mailer
Bo Bendtsen
[email protected]
http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm

GiGo Software
http://www.gigo.com/

Internet Rex
[email protected]
http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/

Tmail (Russian /w English DL)
http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm

TransX
Multiboard Communications Inc.
[email protected]
http://www.multiboard.com/software/transx.html
1:2401/305

TransNet
[email protected]
http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/

Watergate
[email protected]
http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Point Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Definite Solutions FrontDoor APX
http://www.defsol.se/

JetSys - Home of JetMail, JetStat and other Atari Fidonet utilities
FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 25 3 Dec 2001

http://www.jetsys.de/

APoint
http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm (Author)
http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Author)

CrossPoint ("Original" version)
http://www.crosspoint.de
http://www.apoint-mail.de

CrossPoint (OpenXP Projekt)
http://www.openxp.com (English)
http://www.openxp.de (German)

CrossPoint (XP2 Team)
http://www.xp2.de

WinPoint95
http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english

The OpenXP CrossPoint Projekt
http://www.happyarts.de/xp

Terminate Terminal
http://www.terminate.com

PPoint-FTS compatible E-Mail System
http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Other Software, Utillities and such
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
F-Prot Anti-Virus Home Page
http://www.complex.is/cgi-bin/home_pager

BGFAX Home Page
http://blkbox.com/~bgfax/

SIO, Vmodem for OS/2
http://www.gwinn.com

NetModem for Windows
http://www.allensoftware.com

Com/IP
<http://pcmicro.com/comip

Husky - Portable Fido Software
http://husky.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/

cFos Fossil driver
http://www.cfos.com/index_e.htm

ADF Fossil
http://www.digsys.se/adf.html

FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 26 3 Dec 2001

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Dead Links
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Renegade BBS
http://www.egate.net/renegade/

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List Submission Procedures: Netmail 1:10/345
E-Mail [email protected]

The format of this list is undergoing changes and improvements

BBS Software Name
Company/Author
Contact E-mail
Contact Telephone
Internet address (if available)
Fido style address (if available)

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FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 27 3 Dec 2001

=================================================================
[ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ]
=================================================================

. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
Last update: 12:41 PM 11/25/01

Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
Joe Jared, 1:103/301, [email protected]. All email addresses
here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
obtaining a feed. Please do not list the virtual email addresses
on any web page.

- = slated for removal (Invalid URL)
? = Unable to connect

FidoNet
Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
Echolist: http://www.tlchost.net/echolist/
Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html
Parody: http://www.fidonet.ro/
Foti http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org
History http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org

Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.r10.org
Net 102 http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
Net 203: <vacant>
Region 11: http://www.vector11.com/region11/
Net 2410: http://www.vector11.com/net2410/
Region 13: http://www.ispaceonline.org/region13/
Net 109: http://www.thelitterbox.net/fido/net109/
Net 261: http://www.baltimorepress.com/~net261/
Net 275: http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/
Net 267: http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/net267/
Net 275: http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/

Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
Region 15: <vacant>
Region 16: <vacant>
Region 17: http://www.region17.net
Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19
FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 28 3 Dec 2001

Net 124: http://www.DallasInet.com/net124/
http://texoma.net/~flv
Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
Region 25: <Vacant>
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.fidospain.org
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5028: HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
?? Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
Net 5074: http://www.n5074.z2.fidonet.net
?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

Zone 4:
Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://r65.yeah.net
http://www.cfido.com (Chinese)

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 29 3 Dec 2001

also receive routed notice of this feature.

v-email flag [email protected]
| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | CABLE | n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 @ Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/2000 | Bob Juge | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ??? | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
134/11 @ Michael Grant | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
aDSL, 60 | n/c
138/146 | Marc Blakely | BinkP,FTP | ??? | n/c
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
142/906 | Chris Griffin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
150/220 | Dave Nemeth | UUE | ??? | n/c
153/7715 | Dallas Hinton | BinkD, FTP | CABLE | ???
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
167/166 | Jesse Dooling | POP? UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c
220/10 | [email protected] |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c
229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? |
229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c
250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c
261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c
323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
360/5 | Bennie Hutto | FTP VMoT | aDSL | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
393/9005 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ??? | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkP VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c
396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c
2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c
2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c
2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
FIDONEWS 18-49 Page 30 3 Dec 2001

2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/1275 | @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek |FTP, BinkD | OC3 n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c
28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c
47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c
201/505 | Goran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c
255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c
263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c
280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c
280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c
292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/534 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c
341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | |
341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | |
343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | |
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | |
348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | |
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/558 | Vlad Hrusca | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek | FTP, BinkP | 100Mb | n/c
5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
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Zone 4
801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
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Zone 6
65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free
653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free
654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free
654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free

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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* TX = TransX
* NFS = Linux Networking
* ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
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