The F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 48 26 Nov 2001

The F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 48 26 Nov 2001
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| | FidoNet community. | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings|
| | | | San Francisco, California, USA |
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| |__U__| / \// | Deputy-Editor: Lawrence Garvin |
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| / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. |
| (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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Copyright 2001 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.

Table of Contents
1. [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ] ..................................... 1
2. [ TOP STORIES ] .......................................... 2
The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 2
3. [ EDITORIAL ] ............................................ 3
The Fidonews Is For ...................................... 3
4. [ REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ] ....................... 5
"Wagging the Dog" ........................................ 5
5. [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ] ...................... 6
Disharmony ............................................... 6
6. [ QUESTION OF THE WEEK ] ................................. 8
Does Fidonet Need a Policy? .............................. 8
7. [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ] .................................. 9
Lessons .................................................. 9
8. [ FIDONET CLASSIFIED ADS ] ............................... 10
Rotating Ads ............................................. 10
9. [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ] ............. 11
*Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's* ......................... 11
10. [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ] ..................... 17
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 17
11. [ SPECIAL INTEREST ] .................................... 23
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 23
12. [ FIDONEWS INFORMATION ] ................................ 25
How to Submit an Article ................................. 25
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 26
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[ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]
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"My Dog Can Lick Anyone."

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[ TOP STORIES ]
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The Fidonews at a Glance

The Editorial this week is based on a quote from Tom Jennings about
who the Fidonews is for and what it is for.

Andrea Santos gives her rebuttal to Carl Bennett's article last week.

In the "Humor" section is a bit copied from a Fidonet echo, with
permission, by Paul Williams.

Ol' WDB sends Fidonet a plea for harmony.

The question of the week, such as it is, asks a question and desires a
"why" for the answer.

Don't forget the "Classified Ads" section. Write an advertisement for
your Fidonet service, software or ?? for next week.

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[ EDITORIAL ]
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The Fidonews Is For
By Frank Vest

Much has been said over the last few weeks about the Fidonews and
what should be allowed or not allowed in it. This editor has taken a
poll, listened and tried to understand from all points of view. The
points of view from people in Fidonet vary widely, from the belief
that the Fidonews should be strictly a technical publication, to the
belief that any and all articles should be allowed.

I offer the following quote from Tom Jennings,
REF: "http://www.well.com/~jonl/works/tjennings.html"

"FidoNews was designed in '84 in the first year as the meta-net, to
discuss the net itself, to discuss the social end of the net. In the
first issue was a retired Air Force colonel or something, whining
about the military retirement process, and people instantly said,
"This is supposed to be a technical newsletter, this is FidoNet." and
I said, "No, bullshit, it's not. I'm tired of just this techie crap.
Do you talk on the phone about your telephone all the time? 'Gee, I've
got a great new phone, it's got all these pushbuttons.' and you get
bored very quickly. It's like radio amateurs talking about their
goddamn antennas." Who wants to put up with that stuff?"
-Tom Jennings

While the wording is a little crude, Tom captures what the Fidonews,
and Fidonet, is and isn't about. In the very first sentence, Tom
refers to the "social end of the net". Ladies and gentlemen, The
Fidonews is more than just a technical newsletter for Fidonet. Fidonet
is more than just a technical network. Were it not, there would be no
echos such as "BARBROOM", "CHATTER", "MUSIC" and such. All we would
have is "*TECH" type echos.

It has been argued that the Fidonews should be about Fidonet. I
couldn't agree more.

Now, what is Fidonet about? Is Fidonet just about computers,
software, networking, technical aspects? This editor thinks not.
Fidonet is about people, communication, the social aspects. If the
Internet was only about the Internet, where would it be? If only
Internet related topics were allowed on the Internet, what would be on
the Internet? Not much more than a few pages giving information on how
to contact and get an account with an ISP. If Fidonet were the same
way, there would be little more than a few echos telling how to set up
and receive the echos telling how to set up and receive the echos
about setting up to receive the echos about.... :-)

In this light, if the Internet had a newsletter that was only for or
about the Internet, what articles would be in it? Answer?: Articles
about how the Internet worked on a technical basis, how to set up to
connect to an ISP to receive web pages on how to set up and receive
FIDONEWS 18-48 Page 4 26 Nov 2001

web pages about how to set up..... The Fidonews would be much the
same. :(

No. Fidonet is about people. Communication, social aspects and
interaction. In the international aspect, it is about other cultures,
learning, and more. If this were a newsletter about astrology, it
would be easy to get articles. There would be thousands of astrologers
that had nothing better to do than, or interest in, writing about the
stars. Articles would flow constantly about this new star or that new
telescope. It is harder to get these "cantankerous" people in Fidonet
to write articles. :-)

Ladies and gentlemen. The Fidonews is about people, interaction
between those people, cultures, learning about people and cultures
and, of course, the technical end of Fidonet. It has been said from
all over Fidonet that `others', meaning those that are not in "our"
country, don't understand us and don't know about us. It's been argued
that the Fidonews is dominated by `others'. I ask, why? Why do you
allow this to happen? Why don't you write an article about your land,
culture or whatever? True, it might not be interesting to all, but,
neither are the latest init strings to a 56k modem. It might, however,
be of interest to some.

There are many sections in the Fidonews. Some may seem to not "fit"
in the Fidonews. I put it to you that this depends on the reader, the
writer and the article. In all the sections of the Fidonews, the below
are the ones that I see as "not really about Fidonet";

Comix
Fidonet's International Kitchen
Poet's Corner
Clean Humor and Jokes
Special Interest

Guess which sections I get the most articles for???

Yup, you guessed it. The above mentioned sections.

I'm going to end this with a thought. The next time you feel the need
to complain about an article that "doesn't belong in the Fidonews",
think about what Fidonet is for and what the Fidonews is for. Then,
write an article and send it in. While you're at it, write an article
that does "fit" in the Fidonews and submit it. That way you will have
two voices in the Fidonews and the Fidonews will have articles to
publish that are about Fidonet from Fidonet people.

Kind regards,

Frank Vest - Editor, Fidonews

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[ REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ]
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"Wagging the Dog"
By Andrea Santos, 1:135/382, [email protected]

In response to CAB's article last week on "Leash Laws," what he and
his cohorts in Oshawa and, specifically, Net 229 continually fail to
comprehend is the out of area ION nodes they list, a number of which
are not even running valid Mailers, were never theirs to have.

While Net 229 may not adhere to Policy 4 in any manner, the rest of
Zone 1 does, and the rules pertaining to out of area geographic
listings are clear. If there is a technical reason (includes
non-response from *C above) why a node cannot be listed in their
geographic Net/Region, an out of area listing would be prudent. If
there exist personality issues between a node and their NC/RC to the
point of incompatibility, an out of area listing should also be
considered by the *C above the frey.

What's at issue is the intentions and motivation of Net 229, which
have absolutely nothing to do with the legitimate reasons cited above
for requesting an out of area listing. Plain and simply, it's about
stuffing their nodelist segment with nodes, regardless, even if they
are not technically compliant.

Doing this serves several purposes:

- Pounding collective chests that Net 229 and, hence, Region 12 is
listing nodes at a faster clip while other Nets/Regions are not or
doing so at a slower pace.

- Thumbing P4, the ongoing game.

- Blatant attempt to collect nodes in the event Fidonet should ever
proceed with a Sysop Level vote for Z1C with the goal of Region
12 determining who will become Z1C at the expense of all other
Regions.

To be clear, what this isn't about is some altruistic effort on the
part of Net 229 to encourage the growth of Fidonet. It is about
growing one little spec on the North American Map to further the
political goals of a small minority of disgruntled nodes, clustered in
a "geographic" Net/ Region. Ironically, we are back to geography, but
on terms not defined or recognized in Policy 4.

The incessant whining from this crowd is old and tiring. Either live
within the rules of Zone 1 and forward on legitimate nodes to their
applicable Nets/Regions or pack up and apply for Zone 12 status.

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[ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]
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Disheartening
[email protected]

Disharmony continues to rage rampant in some of the echoes. I fear
dear readers, that the foundation fidonet was constructed upon is in
jeopardy. Some of the most experienced sysops, the ones that were the
wheels and cogs, the ones that moved the fidonet nodes to join, work
and learn with each other; are now battling each other in the echoes.
No one wants to appear civil, polite or gracious in word or tone.
This hatred is a far worse disease than malingering and malaise for it
destroys the spirit, the fuel the heart of fidonet runs on. If our
most experienced sysops fight each other to a point that no one
participates for fear of assassination... then malaise will finish
Fido.

Why can't the great egos lock step with each other and solve problems
rather than exploit them to weaken those they perceive to be
adversaries? I note that some post as though they are campaigning and
their opponents are contenders for the same office and must be covered
with mud.

Where is the Fidonet of the eighties and early nineties? Back then a
node could ask a question and have almost instant help, now that same
node would be berated for ignorance, (especially if they wanted
clarification on Policy 4.07 as a remedy), by the pontifical
prognosticators of "evil electioneering" and total disobedience to
Policy 4's guidelines except where convenient to them.

Many more nodes would be willing to post and participate were it not
so dangerous to them personally. It is just easier to stay in the
shadows and watch the wheels knock each other off. I for one would
like to see some good things said for the *C's. I think verbally
tearing down the structure that made Fidonet one of the first and
largest independent networks in the world, is wrong. I think
belittling those who have given their time and many cases their money,
to build Fidonet, deserve some word of praise rather than demeaning
comments. The Zones should be helping and complementing each other
rather than: "I am smarter and bigger than you".

I do hope this writing will encourage those "silent souls" to rise to
the occasion and help bring Fidonet back on track 1988 where I found
her to be anxious, willing to be helpful, and intensely cooperative.
Not one, but three sysops were there to pick me up everytime I fell
down... which was everytime Wildcat sneezed... <G> Finally friend Joe
"skinned that cat" after several cat deaths and set up "Remote
Access", I think to get some free time for his own BBS.... heeheh. I
am not a technical programmer, I am a writer that loves to find good
friends in Fido and enjoy the camaraderie with out the cactus.
Different points of view can be presented with out the words "Idiot"
and "$#@!" or "ass%#*e". We are civilized... No? JMHO

Ol'wdb
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[ QUESTION OF THE WEEK ]
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Does Fidonet Need a Policy?

Much has been said about Policy in Fidonet. Many sides and views are
voiced when the subject is brought up. Here's your chance. :)

Does Fidonet need a Policy?

Why??

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[ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]
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Lessons
By: Garry Stahl
Submitted by: Paul Williams
Copied from: TREK_HUMOR_FILK

I learned some lessons over the last two days.

Lesson One: While bring some snacks into the living room Saturday
night, my overloaded right hand fumbled an item off my right side.
I caught it before it fell a foot, with my left hand.

Lesson: I am still quick as blazes when push comes to shove.

Lesson Two: By the end of the night my back was stiff, and by
morning I could hardly move. Only hours of painkillers, heat, and
careful working got me mobil.

Lesson, I am not in good enough condition to be quick as blazes.

Anyone know a good body shop? I need a new one.

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Rotating ads

As a service of the Fidonews, I am prepared to offer rotating ads for
those that provide services to Fidonet such as Mail Hubs, Gateways,
Fidonet via Internet, Fidonet software, Backbone services and such.

How this works:

1. Create an ad following the guidelines for the Fidonews.
2. Keep it short and to the point.
3. Put contact and other needed information in the ad.
4. Send it to Frank Vest as a file attach.
A. E-Mail "[email protected]
B. Netmail "Frank Vest - 1:124/6308

I will put the ad in a pool and use a program each week to
automatically rotate the ads into the Fidonews.

Please! If you stop offering service or need to change your ad,
contact me! This is very important to keep the ads current.

I'm doing this on a trial basis. If it gets to be a problem, I will
have to discontinue the service. I can make no promise of how often
your ad will be in the Fidonews. This will depend on how many ads I
have to rotate through.

As always in Fidonet, I make no guaranties. :)

Regards,

Frank Vest - Fidonews Editor

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[ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]
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*Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
BBS Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
BBBS Home Page
[email protected]
http://www.bbbs.net/

ELEBBS- The Elevator Software Productions Web Page
[email protected]
http://www.elebbs.com/

Hermes II Project (Mac)
[email protected]
http://www.hermesii.org/

Maximus BBS Support Page (Non Official)
[email protected]
http://www.vector11.com/maximus/

MBSE BBS
Michiel Broek + development team
[email protected]
http://mbse.sourceforge.net
2:2802/2 Michiel Broek.

Mystic BBS
http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/

Nexus Bulletin Board System
[email protected]
http://www.nexusbbs.net/

Proboard
Telegrafix Communications Inc.
[email protected]
540-678-4050
http://www.telegrafix.com

RemoteAccess Central
Bruce Morse
[email protected]
http://www.rapro.com/

Searchlight
Telegrafix Communications Inc.
[email protected]
540-678-4050
http://www.telegrafix.com

Spitfire BBS
FIDONEWS 18-48 Page 12 26 Nov 2001

Buffalo Creek Software
[email protected]
http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/index.html

Synchronet BBS
[email protected]
http://www.synchro.net

Telegard BBS
[email protected]
http://www.telegard.net/

Wildcat Interactive Net Server (BBS)
Santronics Inc.
[email protected]
(305)248-3204
http://www.santronics.com

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Door Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bentstone Capabilities Group
[email protected]
http://www.srupc.com/mall

Jibben Software
[email protected]
http://www.jibbensoftware.com/

JNS Software Door Games
Rusty Johnson
[email protected]
304-733-0113
http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/

Legend Of The Red Dragon Reborn (L.O.R.D.)
http://www.lordlegacy.org/

PC Pursuits
[email protected]
(301)240-6653
http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm

S and T Software
Mark Bappe
[email protected]
(770)788-6843
http://bozax.iainc.net/public/

Shinning Star BBS Doors
[email protected]
http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/

Sunrise Door Software
Al Lawerence
[email protected]
FIDONEWS 18-48 Page 13 26 Nov 2001

(404)256-9518
http://www.sunrisedoors.com/

The Brainex System
[email protected]
http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/

Trade Wars Door Game
[email protected]
http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
1:299/110

Vagabond Software
Bryan Turner
[email protected]
http://vagabond.virtualave.net/
1:124/7013

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mail Tossers
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
FMail Support
[email protected]
http://fmail.nl.eu.org/
2:280/1076

Squish Tosser
http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mailer Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Argus
RITLABS
[email protected]
373-2-246889
http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
2:469/84

FrontDoor, FrontDoor APX, Mailer/Point Software
Definite Solutions
[email protected]
http://www.defsol.se/

BeeMail Home Page
http://beemail.gexonline.net
Stephen Proffit
1:211/405

BinkleyTerm XE Frontend Mailer Software
http://btxe.sourceforge.net/

Plantinum Express for Wildcat
Santronics Inc.
[email protected]
(305)248-3204
FIDONEWS 18-48 Page 14 26 Nov 2001

http://www.santronics.com

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Fidonet via Internet Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Argus
RITLABS
[email protected]
373-2-246889
http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
2:469/84

BinkD
[email protected]
http://2f.ru/binkd/

Fidogate
[email protected]
http://www.fidogate.org/

Fidonet to Internet Mailer
Bo Bendtsen
[email protected]
http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm

GiGo Software
http://www.gigo.com/

Internet Rex
[email protected]
http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/

Tmail (Russian /w English DL)
http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm

TransX
Multiboard Communications Inc.
[email protected]
http://www.multiboard.com/software/transx.html
1:2401/305

TransNet
[email protected]
http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/

Watergate
[email protected]
http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Point Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Definite Solutions FrontDoor APX
http://www.defsol.se/

JetSys - Home of JetMail, JetStat and other Atari Fidonet utilities
FIDONEWS 18-48 Page 15 26 Nov 2001

http://www.jetsys.de/

APoint
http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm (Author)
http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Author)

CrossPoint ("Original" version)
http://www.crosspoint.de
http://www.apoint-mail.de

CrossPoint (OpenXP Projekt)
http://www.openxp.com (English)
http://www.openxp.de (German)

CrossPoint (XP2 Team)
http://www.xp2.de

WinPoint95
http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english

The OpenXP CrossPoint Projekt
http://www.happyarts.de/xp

Terminate Terminal
http://www.terminate.com

PPoint-FTS compatible E-Mail System
http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Other Software, Utillities and such
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
F-Prot Anti-Virus Home Page
http://www.complex.is/cgi-bin/home_pager

BGFAX Home Page
http://blkbox.com/~bgfax/

SIO, Vmodem for OS/2
http://www.gwinn.com

NetModem for Windows
http://www.allensoftware.com

Com/IP
<http://pcmicro.com/comip

Husky - Portable Fido Software
http://husky.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/

cFos Fossil driver
http://www.cfos.com/index_e.htm

ADF Fossil
http://www.digsys.se/adf.html

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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Dead Links
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Renegade BBS
http://www.egate.net/renegade/

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Net 124: http://www.DallasInet.com/net124/
http://texoma.net/~flv
Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
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Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
Region 25: <Vacant>
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.fidospain.org
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
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Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
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also receive routed notice of this feature.

v-email flag [email protected]
| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | CABLE | n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 @ Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/2000 | Bob Juge | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ??? | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
134/11 @ Michael Grant | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
aDSL, 60 | n/c
138/146 | Marc Blakely | BinkP,FTP | ??? | n/c
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
142/906 | Chris Griffin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
150/220 | Dave Nemeth | UUE | ??? | n/c
153/7715 | Dallas Hinton | BinkD, FTP | CABLE | ???
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
167/166 | Jesse Dooling | POP? UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c
220/10 | [email protected] |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c
229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? |
229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c
250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c
261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c
323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
360/5 | Bennie Hutto | FTP VMoT | aDSL | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
393/9005 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ??? | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkP VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c
2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c
2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c
2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
FIDONEWS 18-48 Page 20 26 Nov 2001

2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/1275 | @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek |FTP, BinkD | OC3 n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c
28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c
47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c
201/505 | Goran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c
255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c
263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c
280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c
280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c
292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/534 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c
341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | |
341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | |
343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | |
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | |
348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | |
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/558 | Vlad Hrusca | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c
FIDONEWS 18-48 Page 21 26 Nov 2001

461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek | FTP, BinkP | 100Mb | n/c
5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 4
801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 6
65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free
653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free
654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free
654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free

--
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* TX = TransX
* NFS = Linux Networking
* ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
----------------------------------------------
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Nodelist Stats

INPUT NODELIST FILE : NODELIST.327
File has a Date Stamp of : 11/22/2001
File Size (uncompressed) : 1194.29 KBytes.

The Input Nodelist file has 10912 Nodes in it
and a total of 14056 non-comment entries.

The list has 6 Zones listed.
65 Region Coordinators listed.
496 Network Hosts listed.
748 Hubs listed.
366 DOWN Nodes listed.
891 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
572 HOLD Nodes listed.

Administrative overhead = 1315 ( 12.05 %)
PRIVATE NODES overhead = 891 ( 8.17 %)

Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
9600 = 9356 ( 85.74 %)
(HST's = 201 or 2.15 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
(CSP's = 2 or 0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
(PEP's = 15 or 0.16 % " " " " )
(MAX's = 0 or 0.00 % " " " " )
(HAY's = 3 or 0.03 % " " " " )
(V32's = 5260 or 56.22 % " " " " )
(V32B's = 663 or 7.09 % " " " " )
(V42's = 5029 or 53.75 % " " " " )
(V42B's = 706 or 7.55 % " " " " )
2400 = 108 ( 0.99 %)
1200 = 6 ( 0.05 %)
300 = 477 ( 4.37 %)

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F_Req Flag Applicable Software Number of Systems
----------------------------------------------------------
XA Frontdoor <1.99b 4207
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
--------------------------------------
XB Binkleyterm 2.0 10
Dutchie 2.90b
--------------------------------------
XC Opus 1.1 12
--------------------------------------
XP Seadog 8
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XR Opus 1.03 75
--------------------------------------
XW Fido >12M 408
Tabby
--------------------------------------
XX D'Bridge 1.30 4658
Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
--------------------------------------

CrashMail capable = 3921 ( 35.93 %)
MailOnly Nodes = 5651 ( 51.79 %)
Listed-Only Nodes = 818 ( 7.50 %)

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