The F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 45 05 Nov 2001

The F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 45 05 Nov 2001
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Copyright 2001 by Frank L. Vest, Editor for Fidonews Globally.

Table of Contents
1. [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ] ..................................... 1
2. [ GENERAL ARTICLES ] ..................................... 2
Let's go Dutch ........................................... 2
What are Hermes Sysops? .................................. 3
3. [ EDITORIAL ] ............................................ 5
Misconception: a misunderstanding: wrong idea ............ 5
4. [ REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ] ....................... 7
Rebuttal to "Zone 2 participation of FidoNews." .......... 7
5. [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ] ...................... 10
Ol'WDB's Column .......................................... 10
6. [ FIDONET NOTICES ] ...................................... 12
A Fond Farewell .......................................... 12
7. [ QUESTION OF THE WEEK ] ................................. 14
What do you want in the Fidonews? ........................ 14
8. [ EDITOR'S CORNER ] ...................................... 16
Patched Makenews Program ................................. 16
9. [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ] .................................. 18
Terrorists ............................................... 18
We are ready! ............................................ 18
Shame on you ............................................. 19
10. [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ] ............ 20
Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's* .......................... 20
11. [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ] ..................... 26
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 26
12. [ SPECIAL INTEREST ] .................................... 32
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 32
13. [ FIDONEWS INFORMATION ] ................................ 34
How to Submit an Article ................................. 34
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 35
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[ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]
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A good novel tells us the truth about its hero; but a bad novel tells
us the truth about its author.
--G. K. Chesterton (1874-1936)

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[ GENERAL ARTICLES ]
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Let's go Dutch
Bj�rn Felten, 2:203/208

Did you ever wonder why you say 'let's go Dutch' and not let's go
Irish, Spanish, German or French when you go to a restaurant and want
to split the bill? Well, the obvious reason is that the Dutch are
very... eh... economical, if not even parsimonious. This is one of the
three corner stones that make up the typical Dutch mentality.

Parsimony
=========

You may be invited for a cup of coffee in Holland, but you probably
only will get one cookie and never a piece of cake.

If you're invited to a party, you'll be expected to show up after
nine in the evening, because then the host can be sure you've already
had dinner.

Q. Who invented the copper wire?
A. Two Dutchmen who found a five-cent coin.

Austerity
=========

The second corner stone is austerity, especially to yourself.
If you live in a country that has been conquered from the ocean, where
banks and channels are in need of daily maintenance, it's no wonder
that austerity is the foundation of the calvinistic religion that's
dominating Holland.

The Bible Belt on the country side is strong, but even the city
folks have this little guy (can it be the old village preacher
Calvin?) sitting on their shoulder waving a 'vermanende vinger'
(warning finger) whenever someone commits a breach of the Dutch
etiquette.

This includes extravagance of any kind. Wealth should be strived
for but never to be shown off. Your possesions should be practical, of
high quality and may be beautiful. If you buy a car it should be a
Volvo rather than a Cadillac.

Never try to impress a Dutchman with a showy business lunch.
Working hours are meant for work anyway...

The 'vermanende vinger' also is waved to anyone that shows in-
tolerance as well, which is a contradiction you must learn to live
with, because tolerance is the third corner stone.

Tolerance
=========

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Don't think for a moment that the Dutch tolerance is about being
nice in general, a real softy. No, tolerance is another one of those
obligations so necessary to make life in a densely populated country
like Holland bearable.

The calvinists may show austerity inwards but were among the first
to allow freedom of religion. A historic attitude that made way for
todays liberal attitude towards cannabis, prostitution, death-help and
homosexual marriages -- all legal in Holland.

But being liberal means being split. What do you do when one mans
freedom affects another mans ditto? Then you have to do like the
Dutch, look between the fingers on one hand and wave the 'vermanende
vinger' with the other.

So where do they draw the limit for the tolerance? Actually
everything is allowed as long as it doesn't mean bad business. And the
other way around, as long as it's good business you may temporarily
forget about the austerity and the tolerance.

If nothing else, there's always the saying 'handel is handel'
(business is business), that is a perfectly good excuse for almost
everything.

- If we don't sell weapons to the enemy, how can we afford to go to
war with him? as an illegal weapons dealer said on his trial.

There's another limit to the tolerance. The 'vermanende vinger'
comes up whenever someone or something is threatening 'gezelligheid'
the ultimate happiness for a Dutchman. The word comes from 'gezel'
which means journeyman but also fellow, companion. The closest I can
come up with as a translation is 'cosy company'.

The Dutch never say no to a 'gezellige' party. 'Voor de gezellig-
heid!' For the sake of good company. But let's go Dutch...

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What are Hermes Sysops?
By Walter Bowen
1:393/11

Several years ago, Oliver Katigbak posted a message on HERMES_SYSOPS
in which he asked "What are Hermes sysops?" Although I've updated my
response just a tad for this reposting, it went something like this:

It's interesting that you should ask this in the HERMES_SYSOPS echo,
Oliver, but not surprising since the "Hermes sysop" is rarely sighted
these days. Such a creature is a member of a vanishing, but tenacious
breed known more generically as a "Mac sysop," itself an obscure
offshoot the larger, but also diminishing family that is most commonly
labeled "sysop."

Probably one of the most distinguishing qualities of any of these
creatures is their elusiveness. Rarely sighted, they exist mainly as
phantoms, lurking and perhaps even smirking, somewhere in the
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pre-virtual community of the command line interface and occasionally
in a domain known as FidoNet. Even as their numbers have dwindled, a
feisty few still persist, but their existance becomes increasingly
barren with each passing day.

So few outworlders today even possess the knowledge of how to pass
through the terminal gateway into their pre-virtual universe that
their eventual obscurity is more than virtually assured, it is a
certainty. These shapeless, genderless and most often faceless
creatures will soon vanish altogether, but perhaps fate has smiled on
them nonetheless. Their passing will be a silent and painless one, for
even as they wander, their terminals are shrouded in darkness and they
still seem unable to read the handwriting on the walls that surround
them.

So they continue lurking, smirking and occasionally emerging, still
mercifully oblivious that reality is encroaching, that it has already
enveloped them, and will ultimately swallow completely their shrinking
pre-virtual, terminal universe with the elusive command line
interface.

One day soon as the last one succumbs to time and slips peacefully
into the void of the nothing, only their legacy will remain. Believe
me, that day is nearer than ever, but the story is not yet over. If
you look hard enough you may still detect a few flickering candles in
the night. If you're really, really lucky, one of our smiley faces
might even yet peer back at you.

But hurry. Time is short.

Walter Bowen

:-)

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[ EDITORIAL ]
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Misconception: a misunderstanding: wrong idea.
By Frank Vest
1:124/6308.1

It occurs to me that some in Fidonet have some misconceptions about
the Fidonews. I'm going to make a feeble attempt to explain, and maybe
help those with, these misconceptions.

Looking in my dictionary, I find the following. YMMV:

Misconception: n. a misunderstanding; wrong idea.

In reading in the Fidonews echo, I get the idea that the following
might be in play;

1. Articles in the Fidonews are/should be written by professional
writers, OR, All articles are written by professional writers.

Nothing is farther from the truth. We are a group of people. Some
might be professional writers, but most are just plain people that use
Fidonet as a medium to communicate. The Fidonews is a medium as well.
It is made up of articles sent/written by people in Fidonet. These
articles are of interest to the author and might, or might not, be of
interest to other people in Fidonet. In no way are they, nor should
they, be required to be written by professionals.

2. The Fidonews Editor is a professional Editor/writer.

Whew!! That's as far from the truth as you can get. :) I'm not a
professional anything. I wrote some articles. I didn't think they
would be of interest (see next misconception) and ended up as editor.

3. I, as a member of Fidonet, have nothing of interest to say.

Many probably think this way. I did, and still do at times. I'm not
sure that this editorial will be of interest, but I'm writing it
anyway. :) In truth, there is always interest from somebody. Don't
use this excuse as a block for not trying.

4. I'm not very good at english, or english is not my native language.
How can I write for the Fidonews?

I'm not good at english either. I graduated with a C- in english. :)
Seriously: For many in Fidonet, english is not their native language.
Get someone to help translate for you. One of the strongest points in
Fidonet is the willingness of it's members to help each other. Don't
let a language barrier stop you from writing something that might be
of interest to others. *That* would be a loss to us all!

5. I'm not a software author. I'm not a technical person. I don't have
the knowledge to write for the Fidonews.

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So?? Not everyone in Fidonet is a programmer, technical expert or
anything else in particular. Write about your BBS that you run. Review
a web page that is Fidonet related. There is a list of article
sections posted in each Fidonews. Surely there is something you can
write about.

Folks, this is the Fidonews. The Newsletter of the Fidonet Community.
It's about Fidonet and the people in Fidonet. More importantly, the
Fidonews _*IS*_ what you make of it.

Frank Vest - Editor, Fidonews

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[ REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ]
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Rebuttal to "Zone 2 participation of FidoNews."
By Frank Vest
1:124/6308

In last week's edition, Michiel Van Der Vlist wrote his views about
why articles weren't submitted by other Zones in Fidonet. I'd like to
try to answer some of his thoughts and give my views.

For the sake of separating what Mr. Van Der Vlist said, his words will
be between the = marks in this rebuttal.

=
The snooze is zone 1 dominated because potential contributors from
other zones are put off by the zone 1 dominance. A vicious circle.
Maybe you as editor should ask what the readers outside zone 1 are NOT
interested in seeing in the snooze. My list would be:
=

I really don't see that the Fidonews is dominated by Zone 1. Maybe
there are a lot of articles from Zone 1. That doesn't mean domination.

I think I have asked what readers would or would not want, inside and
outside of Zone 1, in some form in the past. I know I've asked myself
that question a lot. It's not an easy question to answer with all the
variety in Fidonet, even in other Zones.

=
1) Articles that cover topics of only local interest, such as RC
and ZC elections. They stir some interest but after the third
round it gets very boring.
=

I'm going to take a guess that this stems from the past position of
posting messages as articles in the Fidonews. I said that I wouldn't
do that, and I believe I have not. This part is a non-issue.

I will say this; If there is an election going on in a Zone, Region or
Net in Fidonet, I will accept an announcement of it. I will not have a
"blow by blow" of the process as has been done in the past. Announcing
the election and the results is, imho, of interest to Fidonet. It lets
people know, that might not otherwise know, that an important election
is happening in their area. It also lets the rest of Fidonet know that
something might be happening or changing that could affect them. Yes,
we can all be affected by happenings in other Zones, Regions and Nets
in Fidonet. The announcement of the election and the end results are
of interest. The process, or "blow by blow", is not.

=
2) Articles in a language I can not read. The idea may be good but
it is not going to work. The only examples of successful
multilangual magazines I have seen are the fodder that airline
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companies feed us to keep our thoughts from hitting the ground
at a vertical speed higher than the landing gear can take.
=

I agree that this won't work. It is a great thought and would be great
if possible. I just can't see how. Maybe I'm short sighted. I said in
the Editorial last week that Fidonews is "global". We have many
languages in Fidonet. To try to cover them all is not within scope. To
try to have a language known by most areas is the way to go. English
seems to be the closest to an "international language" that we have.

=
3) "Tear jerkers" as Sharon Westons' "The warmth of a smile." Maybe
in NA culture such stories are an unconditional 'go', but imnsho
it belongs in the Salvation Army's Digest or whatever it is called.
My response when I see it in FidoNews is: "What's it got to do
with FidoNet?
=

I'm not real sure what is meant by the reference to "Sharon Weston".
For the "What's it got to do with Fidonet?" I'm not sure of that
either.

What some of the articles have to with Fidonet is that they are about
people or events that affect Fidonet people. Would it be good to have
all articles relate directly to Fidonet? Wouldn't that get boring just
the same as anything else? A Fidonews that was all "Technical",
"Fidonet Web Page Reviews", "Fidonet Software Reviews" and various
other Fidonet articles strictly about Fidonet would get just as
boring, imho.

=
I respect the tradition of FidoNews editors to publish anything not
in violation of the (NA?) law. Maybe it is time however to review this
policy. Maybe it is time to define the topic of FidoNews and restrict
articles to those that are on topic.
=

What would the "topic" of Fidonews be?

I would like to see more articles that are "Fidonet related", whatever
that means. However, I don't see a problem with ascii comix, poetry
and other articles. We are people and Fidonet is about people as much
as it is about anything else.

What I do see as a problem is that the complaints that there are no
articles relating to Fidonet are not met with submissions of articles
related to Fidonet. The complaints that the Fidonews is one sided are
not met with submissions from the other sides.

I'll end this with something that if I haven't said, I should have;

I'm not like former Fidonews Editors. I'll probably be unlike any
future Fidonews Editors. I have done many things different and changed
many things in the Fidonews. I've tried different approaches and other
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ideas to improve the Fidonews. All this, in the interest of Fidonet.
Some have been good and others not so good. But, when you boil it all
down, it's not Frank Vest that makes the Fidonews. It's Fidonet! The
Sysops, and people in Fidonet! It *is* what you make of it!

Best wishes to All,

Frank Vest - Editor, Fidonews

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[ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]
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Ol'WDB's Column
[email protected]

In last weeks Fidonews in a General Article, Michiel Van der Vlist
said: "Why do we see so few contributions from other zones? Zone 2 in
particular? The main reason for the zone 1 domination of FidoNews is
imho the fact that it ... is zone 1 dominated."

This is funny and most FidoNews readers are not deceived with such
statements. The only way to dominate Fidonews is to prevent any
foreign materials of any kind, which has not been the case with the
last three editors! They have begged all zones to participate, and
some have when they had something to report or ask.

"The cure would be to *discourage* articles that are only of zone 1
local interest", Michiel further stated.

I for one am very distressed that censorship of ANY good article that
is properly presented to the editor would be ignored because it came
from zone one! Print it too! The more articles the better!

"In the past we have seen many an increase in the volume of FidoNews
due to some local event. Last year it was the Z1C election, just to
mention an example. Why?", Michiel asked.

Does this mean that an important Fido election such as a Zone or RC
Coordinator election is not news-worthy to be in the Fidonews?

Michiel also asks: "Why do the sysops in zone 1 flood the world with
what for many of us this side of the pond is no more than bickering
among the locals?

Amusing comment for one who seems to be the prime editor pro tem of
zone two. Don't you know how to start a flood of your own? You spend
a great deal of your time telling us how much bigger you are than zone
one, yet produce only one half of one percent of the submissions. To
my knowledge no zone two submission has ever been turned down. I know
when I was editor, I worked hard on any zone two submission to remove
the illegal ascii characters so that "Make News" program would accept
it and hatch the edition.

Michiel stated: "The snooze is zone 1 dominated because potential
contributors from other zones are put off by the zone 1 dominance.

More cocky-poo Michiel. They are no more put off than you. The truth
is that most want to read their Snooze, and expect it to be
informative, giving them the info to find programs, writers, and a
birds eye view of Fidoworld as submitted to the editor. Few articles
are published more than once, to dismiss your #1 grievance; and
articles in a language you can't read is easy to skip past as not all
of the zones speaks only your language. And as for recipes and "tear
jerkers" there are a vast majority that like them and your personal
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view has no power except to you personally. Read what you like, skip
the rest, and try to let others have their cake too. A little
compassion in your words for what the other five zones want would
ensure to your good will.

Michiel states: "I respect the tradition of FidoNews editors to
publish anything not in violation of the (NA?) law."

Not true. There is no respect in the many messages you have posted in
the echoes, to the editors, and now in Fidonews itself. Your scorn
and contempt for the Snooze is obvious to everyone.

Michiel lastly states: "Maybe it is time however to review this
policy. Maybe it is time to define the topic of FidoNews and restrict
articles to those that are on topic".

No Michiel, no censorship of civil comment. This is a free society in
"NA" and you should be working to have a free society if yours isn't.
Anyone can state what they believe just as you have here. It would be
a very dull Snooze if your restrictions were applied and a short small
issue too! Read Fido rules, they are quite adequate.

Ol'wdb

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[ FIDONET NOTICES ]
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A Fond Farewell
===============
By Andrea Santos
Forwarded to the Fidonews by Ross Cassell
1:18/500

For the last few years I've known a day would come when I'd be writing
this message. What I didn't know was the time, day, circumstances or
events which would prompt me to do so.

In all honesty, I didn't want to know. You participate in an activity
or group for so long, there's a comfort zone, but there's also
complacency, to the point where you simply don't allow yourself to
make the decisions _you_ really need to make. It's also about change
and change is tough and it's scary but you'll never know the benefits
of other challenges if you don't allow yourself the opportunity to
move on.

There have been a number of events which have occured in our family
this year that have changed all of us forever, and each of us feels a
need to embrace new paths and pursue other interests, and we've been
proceding along that vein.

Santronics the company and our support site and BBS/Mailer continue on
and a listing will be maintained in the Nodelist. We still have much
to give in the way of programs we provide and will keep on doing what
we do well.

It's been some 14 years since Hector first explained the concept of
shareware to me. Being petrified of anything that looked or smelled
of computers and highly skeptical of "honor" systems, I wrote off much
of a message it would take me years to understand. But after
persistence and encouragement to get me online, I was able to put the
pieces together and recognize that my husband was providing real tools
for thousands upon thousands of users and system administrators to
communicate and provide services, at a hobby level, as well as
critical applications for businesses and organizations around the
world. In the process, I became computer literate, and was able to
connect the dots sufficiently to make my own contributions to a
network we both loved and encouraged for so many years.

There's no question you get from this life what you are willing to put
into it. When I look back at all the years I've been participating in
Fidonet, I realize how very fortunate I've been to have made the many
many friends and acquaintenances I have, and the communications,
laughs tears and real-life experiences I've shared. And I will miss
it, but I will also leave knowing I gave it my all, with integrity and
principles intact.

There are so many individuals to acknowledge and thank, it wouldn't be
possible to do so in relatively short order. Past and present, you
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know who you are, and it was a sincere pleasure.

There is, however, one person who is entirely the reason why I was
here at all and that is my husband, Hector Santos. And this is my
opportunity to give him the recognition he's earned and deserves for
bringing his vision of communications to life.

From creating Offline Mail for Fidonet, to the many programs and
utilities he's written, covering every aspect of communications in
this network, to his pivotal involvement in Saudi Net and providing
the technology to make it happen, to the thousands upon thousands of
hours of help he's provided to countless sysops and users, no
Developer gave more of himself to this network and none did it better
or with more conviction.

And, today, I thank him for giving me all of you and for the courage
to recognize we've accomplished here what we set out to do and that
it's time to move on.

With gratitude,

@copyright 2001, Andrea Santos, NC135, [email protected]

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[ QUESTION OF THE WEEK ]
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What do you want in the Fidonews?
By Frank Vest - Editor
1:124/6308.1
[email protected]

This is an informal poll. It is not intended to be used for any
purpose except information gathering. No guarantee is given or
implied. Replies from those that wish to answer may be sent to;

The Fidonews Echo
or
[email protected] subj: poll
or
1:124/6308.1 subj: poll

Results will be posted in the next Fidonews. You have one week to send
in your "vote". One completed form per person, please.

Below is a list of the current sections in the Fidonews. It does NOT
include the columns by regular columists.

Please check the sections that you, for the most part, like in the
Fidonews. IOW; Which ones should stay in the Fidonews in your opinion?

( ) [ Food for Thought ]
( ) [ Headline News ]
( ) [ Top Stories ]
( ) [ From the *Cs ]
( ) [ Regional News ]
( ) [ Net News ]
( ) [ Retractions ]
( ) [ General Articles ]
( ) [ Editorial ]
( ) [ Guest Editorial ]
( ) [ Fidonet Current Events ]
( ) [ Rebuttals to Previous Articles ]
( ) [ Interviews ]
( ) [ Fidonet Software Reviews ]
( ) [ Fidonet Web Page Reviews ]
( ) [ Fidonet Notices ]
( ) [ Getting Technical ]
( ) [ Question of the week ]
( ) [ Answers of the week ]
( ) [ Humor in a Fido Vein ]
( ) [ Comix in Ascii ]
( ) [ Recipes ]
( ) [ Poet's Corner ]
( ) [ Clean Humor & Jokes ]
( ) [ Classified Ads ]
( ) [ Calendar ]
( ) [ Corrections ]
( ) [ Special Interest ]
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Patched Makenews Program
By Frank Vest
1:1/23

First off. I'd like to give credit to and thank Bj�rn Felten for the
patch of the "makenews" program. (notice that your name is proper
now, Bj�rn.) <smile>

The heart of producing the Fidonews is a program called "makenews".
Prior to being handed the Editor position, I was working on a "front
end" for the system that would make production easier. Even then, I
noticed the limits of the "makenews" program. "Makenews" didn't allow
ascii characters that could not be typed on a plain typewriter. While
this is not a real problem in the U.S.A., it can be an aggravation to
other countries and other languages. People whose name has an o with
the two dots (�) above it could not write their names properly in a
Fidonews article submission.

A discussion spurred by some in the Fidonews echo has brought this
former limit to life again. While I don't believe that the Fidonews is
a place for a lot of "high ascii", the simple desire to see one's name
spelled properly in an article for the Fidonews isn't that much to
ask imho.

Bj�rn Felten offered a solution. Bj�rn offered to make a patch for
the "makenews" program or write a new one. Since he offered and I
think that being able to see ones name spelled properly is not too
much to ask, I sent him the program. I received the patch back rather
quickly and applied it. From my tests, the patch worked and the
Fidonews can now allow characters for spelling in other languages.

What does this mean??

If your name requires a special character to be written properly, the
Fidonews should now be able to handle it.

If you were using the excuse of not being able to properly spell your
name in the Fidonews for not submitting articles, you no longer have
that excuse. :-)

The Fidonews has taken a step forward?

What it DOS NOT mean is that I will accept articles in other than
english. English is still the language that is most commonly know in
Fidonet.

Please limit your use of the allowed ascii to the need for spelling
your name, or the name of someone mentioned in your article
submission, properly.

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I'm not sure how this is going to work out. I believe in advancing
Fidonet and the Fidonews. I hope this will in some way move us toward
that goal. My concern is that the "high ascii" might interfere with
some BBS programs that offer the Fidonews for reading "online". I'm
sure that there could be other problems with this as well. The
Fidonews will have to cross those bridges when/if we get to them.

Regards,

Frank Vest

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[ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]
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Terrorists

Of interest to Canadians only.

From (not by) Lesley-Dee Dylan

The Pledge

We Canadians are finally going to help America with the war on
terrorism. We have pledged two of our biggest battle ships, six
hundred ground troops and six fighter jets.

After the American currency exchange rate was applied, we ended up
sending two canoes, six mounties, and a flying squirrel.

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We are ready!
From: Lesley-Dee Dylan
1:250/201

Take all North American women who are within five years of menopause -
train us for a few weeks, outfit us with automatic weapons, grenades,
gas masks, moisturizer with SPF15, Prozac, hormones, chocolate, and
canned tuna - drop us (parachuted, preferably) across the landscape of
Afghanistan, and let us do what comes naturally.

Think about it. Our anger quotient alone, even when doing standard
stuff like grocery shopping and paying bills, is formidable enough to
make even armed men in turbans tremble.

We've had our children, we would gladly suffer or die to protect them
and their future. We'd like to get away from our husbands, if they
haven't left already. And for those of us who are single, the prospect
of finding a good man with whom to share life is about as likely as
being struck by lightning. We have nothing to lose.

We've survived the water diet, the protein diet, the carbohydrate
diet, and the grapefruit diet in gyms and saunas across America and
never lost a pound. We can easily survive months in the hostile
terrain of Afghanistan with no food at all!

We've spent years tracking down our husbands or lovers in bars,
hardware stores, or sporting events...finding bin Laden in some cave
will be no problem.

Uniting all the warring tribes of Afghanistan in a new government? Oh,
please ... we've planned the seating arrangements for in-laws and
extended families at Thanksgiving dinners for years ... we understand
tribal warfare.

FIDONEWS 18-45 Page 19 5 Nov 2001

Between us, we've divorced enough husbands to know every trick there
is for how they hide, launder, or cover up bank accounts and money
sources.

We know how to find that money and we know how to seize it ... with or
without the government's help!

Let us go and fight. The Taliban hates women. Imagine their terror as
we crawl like ants with hot-flashes over their godforsaken terrain.

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Shame on you
From: Warren Bonner <[email protected]>

My 7-year-old daughter came home from school one day, held up her
middle finger, and asked me what it meant. I was so shocked that I
could say only, "Shame on you," followed by, "If anyone does that to
you, just say, "Shame on you" to that person.

A few weeks later we were at the dinner table when my husband let out
a huge belch. I reprimanded him by saying, "Shame on you." Imagine my
husband's shock when my daughter held up her middle finger, showed it
to him, and exclaimed, "Mom, you forgot to give Daddy the 'shame on
you' sign."

8^)

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FIDONEWS 18-45 Page 20 5 Nov 2001

=================================================================
[ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]
=================================================================

*Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
BBS Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
BBBS Home Page
[email protected]
http://www.bbbs.net/

ELEBBS- The Elevator Software Productions Web Page
[email protected]
http://www.elebbs.com/

Hermes II Project (Mac)
[email protected]
http://www.hermesii.org/

Maximus BBS Support Page (Non Official)
[email protected]
http://www.vector11.com/maximus/

MBSE BBS
Michiel Broek + development team
[email protected]
http://mbse.sourceforge.net
2:2802/2 Michiel Broek.

Mystic BBS
http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/

Nexus Bulletin Board System
[email protected]
http://www.nexusbbs.net/

Proboard
Telegrafix Communications Inc.
[email protected]
540-678-4050
http://www.telegrafix.com

RemoteAccess Central
Bruce Morse
[email protected]
http://www.rapro.com/

Searchlight
Telegrafix Communications Inc.
[email protected]
540-678-4050
http://www.telegrafix.com

Spitfire BBS
FIDONEWS 18-45 Page 21 5 Nov 2001

Buffalo Creek Software
[email protected]
http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/index.html

Synchronet BBS
[email protected]
http://www.synchro.net

Telegard BBS
[email protected]
http://www.telegard.net/

Wildcat Interactive Net Server (BBS)
Santronics Inc.
[email protected]
(305)248-3204
http://www.santronics.com

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Door Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bentstone Capabilities Group
[email protected]
http://www.srupc.com/mall

Jibben Software
[email protected]
http://www.jibbensoftware.com/

JNS Software Door Games
Rusty Johnson
[email protected]
304-733-0113
http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/

Legend Of The Red Dragon Reborn (L.O.R.D.)
http://www.lordlegacy.org/

PC Pursuits
[email protected]
(301)240-6653
http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm

S and T Software
Mark Bappe
[email protected]
(770)788-6843
http://bozax.iainc.net/public/

Shinning Star BBS Doors
[email protected]
http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/

Sunrise Door Software
Al Lawerence
[email protected]
FIDONEWS 18-45 Page 22 5 Nov 2001

(404)256-9518
http://www.sunrisedoors.com/

The Brainex System
[email protected]
http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/

Trade Wars Door Game
[email protected]
http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
1:299/110

Vagabond Software
Bryan Turner
[email protected]
http://vagabond.virtualave.net/
1:124/7013

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mail Tossers
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
FMail Support
[email protected]
http://fmail.nl.eu.org/
2:280/1076

Squish Tosser
http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mailer Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Argus
RITLABS
[email protected]
373-2-246889
http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
2:469/84

FrontDoor, FrontDoor APX, Mailer/Point Software
Definite Solutions
[email protected]
http://www.defsol.se/

BeeMail Home Page
http://beemail.gexonline.net
Stephen Proffit
1:211/405

BinkleyTerm XE Frontend Mailer Software
http://btxe.sourceforge.net/

Plantinum Express for Wildcat
Santronics Inc.
[email protected]
(305)248-3204
FIDONEWS 18-45 Page 23 5 Nov 2001

http://www.santronics.com

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Fidonet via Internet Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Argus
RITLABS
[email protected]
373-2-246889
http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
2:469/84

BinkD
[email protected]
http://2f.ru/binkd/

Fidogate
[email protected]
http://www.fidogate.org/

Fidonet to Internet Mailer
Bo Bendtsen
[email protected]
http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm

GiGo Software
http://www.gigo.com/

Internet Rex
[email protected]
http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/

Tmail (Russian /w English DL)
http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm

TransX
Multiboard Communications Inc.
[email protected]
http://www.multiboard.com/software/transx.html
1:2401/305

TransNet
[email protected]
http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/

Watergate
[email protected]
http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Point Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Definite Solutions FrontDoor APX
http://www.defsol.se/

JetSys - Home of JetMail, JetStat and other Atari Fidonet utilities
FIDONEWS 18-45 Page 24 5 Nov 2001

http://www.jetsys.de/

APoint
http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm (Author)
http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Author)

CrossPoint ("Original" version)
http://www.crosspoint.de
http://www.apoint-mail.de

CrossPoint (OpenXP Projekt)
http://www.openxp.com (English)
http://www.openxp.de (German)

CrossPoint (XP2 Team)
http://www.xp2.de

WinPoint95
http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english

The OpenXP CrossPoint Projekt
http://www.happyarts.de/xp

Terminate Terminal
http://www.terminate.com

PPoint-FTS compatible E-Mail System
http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Other Software, Utillities and such
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
F-Prot Anti-Virus Home Page
http://www.complex.is/cgi-bin/home_pager

BGFAX Home Page
http://blkbox.com/~bgfax/

SIO, Vmodem for OS/2
http://www.gwinn.com

NetModem for Windows
http://www.allensoftware.com

Com/IP
<http://pcmicro.com/comip

Husky - Portable Fido Software
http://husky.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/

cFos Fossil driver
http://www.cfos.com/index_e.htm

ADF Fossil
http://www.digsys.se/adf.html

FIDONEWS 18-45 Page 25 5 Nov 2001

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Dead Links
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Renegade BBS
http://www.egate.net/renegade/

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Contact E-mail
Contact Telephone
Internet address (if available)
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also receive routed notice of this feature.

v-email flag [email protected]
| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | CABLE | n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 @ Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/2000 | Bob Juge | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ??? | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
134/11 @ Michael Grant | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
aDSL, 60 | n/c
138/146 | Marc Blakely | BinkP,FTP | ??? | n/c
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
142/906 | Chris Griffin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
150/220 | Dave Nemeth | UUE | ??? | n/c
153/7715 | Dallas Hinton | BinkD, FTP | CABLE | ???
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
167/166 | Jesse Dooling | POP? UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c
220/10 | [email protected] |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c
229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? |
229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c
250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c
261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c
323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
360/5 | Bennie Hutto | FTP VMoT | aDSL | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
393/9005 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ??? | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkP VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c
2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c
2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c
2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
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2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/1275 | @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek |FTP, BinkD | OC3 n/c
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c
28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c
47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c
201/505 | Goran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c
255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c
263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c
280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c
280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c
292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/534 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c
341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | |
341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | |
343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | |
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | |
348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | |
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/558 | Vlad Hrusca | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c
FIDONEWS 18-45 Page 30 5 Nov 2001

461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek | FTP, BinkP | 100Mb | n/c
5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 4
801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 6
65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free
653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free
654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free
654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free

--
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* TX = TransX
* NFS = Linux Networking
* ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
----------------------------------------------
Fidonet oriented news servers
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Nodelist Stats

INPUT NODELIST FILE : NODELIST.306
File has a Date Stamp of : 11/2/2001
File Size (uncompressed) : 1195.93 KBytes.

The Input Nodelist file has 10975 Nodes in it
and a total of 14076 non-comment entries.

The list has 6 Zones listed.
65 Region Coordinators listed.
494 Network Hosts listed.
749 Hubs listed.
335 DOWN Nodes listed.
882 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
570 HOLD Nodes listed.

Administrative overhead = 1314 ( 11.97 %)
PRIVATE NODES overhead = 882 ( 8.04 %)

Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
9600 = 9411 ( 85.75 %)
(HST's = 203 or 2.16 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
(CSP's = 2 or 0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
(PEP's = 16 or 0.17 % " " " " )
(MAX's = 0 or 0.00 % " " " " )
(HAY's = 3 or 0.03 % " " " " )
(V32's = 5307 or 56.39 % " " " " )
(V32B's = 662 or 7.03 % " " " " )
(V42's = 5062 or 53.79 % " " " " )
(V42B's = 707 or 7.51 % " " " " )
2400 = 113 ( 1.03 %)
1200 = 7 ( 0.06 %)
300 = 483 ( 4.40 %)

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F_Req Flag Applicable Software Number of Systems
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XA Frontdoor <1.99b 4243
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
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XB Binkleyterm 2.0 10
Dutchie 2.90b
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XC Opus 1.1 12
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XP Seadog 7
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XR Opus 1.03 76
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XW Fido >12M 415
Tabby
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XX D'Bridge 1.30 4679
Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
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CrashMail capable = 3926 ( 35.77 %)
MailOnly Nodes = 5698 ( 51.92 %)
Listed-Only Nodes = 832 ( 7.58 %)

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