The F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 43 22 Oct 2001

The F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 43 22 Oct 2001
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Copyright 2001 by Frank L. Vest, Editor for Fidonews Globally.

Table of Contents
1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
2. NET NEWS ................................................. 2
NET382 BBQ Meeting Saturday Nov. 3rd ..................... 2
3. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 3
SETI - Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence .......... 3
The Seven Wonders of the World ........................... 3
4. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 5
Deaf, Blind... and Kindness .............................. 5
5. FIDONET WEB PAGE REVIEWS ................................. 7
Collin County Station - Web Page Review .................. 7
6. FIDONET NOTICES .......................................... 8
Daylight Savings Time is Coming .......................... 8
New E-Mail Address for Editor ............................ 8
7. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 9
Cows ..................................................... 9
8. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ...................................... 10
Super-duper Computer ..................................... 10
Old Guys ................................................. 10
Speeding Excuse .......................................... 12
9. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................. 14
Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's* .......................... 14
10. JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ......................... 20
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 20
11. CALENDAR ................................................ 26
This Week's Calandar ..................................... 26
12. OTHER STUFF ............................................. 27
America and God .......................................... 27
FEDERAL NET ASSISTANCE ................................... 28
13. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 31
How to Submit an Article ................................. 31
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 32
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 33
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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Television - a medium. So called because it is neither rare nor
well-done.
--Ernie Kovacs

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NET NEWS
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NET382 BBQ Meeting Saturday Nov. 3rd
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:50:44 -0500
From: "George Vandervort" <[email protected]>

a change to 1:00 pm to allow travel time and improve attendence..
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**> N O T I C E - N O T I C E - N O T I C E - N O T I C E <**
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Hello ALL Net382 Sysops/Co-Sysop's/Co-Sysop's/Points/Guests

What: It is time for the Saturday Nov. 3rd, 2001 Net382 Meeting!

Where: City Market BBQ, Hwy 183 in Luling, TX

When: First Saturday, at 1:00pm (until we all leave)

Who: Net 382 Sysops/Co-Sysop's (Wives, Sweethearts -- or both)
ankle-biters & rug-rats are Optional.. <grin>

Why: Mass consumption of mass production, conversation,
sneakernetting, Q&A. rubbing elbows with Gary Crain,Mike
Tripp,John Foster, Bill Eastman, Jim Westbrook and others, Mike
Luther and Anson (maybe), and maybe Steve G. (R19C) (maybe)

How: Be there or be talked about... :-)

City Market BBQ has been rated by Texas Monthly Magazine as one of the
TOP 10 BBQ establesments in Texas.. (bring your own forks), food is
served on Butcher paper..

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GENERAL ARTICLES
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SETI - Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence
By Frank Vest
1:124/6308

I heard about the SETI program and thought "I should join this
thing... just for fun." When I heard about it, my computers were a
little smaller and not near as powerful as they are now. I still
don't have a super computer, but who knows what the future might
bring. :-)

There I was... just prowling the Internet and thinking about some
setup to some things on the computers and such. The thought hits me!
"I'm going to have a DSL connection soon, the computers here are idle
quite a bit.... Why not check into this again?"

The Fidonews Editor and 1:124/6308 are now part of the SETI program.
Yes, I know it's probably not going to find ET or anything else, but
what the heck. It's interesting and doesn't seem to hurt anything on
my systems... AND... I discovered that there is a group in the SETI
program for Fidonet! :)

Well... Of course there is a group for Fidonet in SETI. Fidonet has
been around for a while. We are a diverse bunch and are computer nuts.
:) Fidonet is known for being helpful and we're all good people. Why
shouldn't there be a Fidonet group in something like this?

Why should you join? Maybe you shouldn't... that's up to you. I did
discover that if you join one of the groups, you can have a link to
your web page with your name in the group for other visitors to click
on. Heck, it's free advertising. There's no requirement for you to
continue in the program... you can leave when you want. It's kind of
fun to watch the data being crunched on your computer. The data is
only processed when the screen saver is running. Besides... You might
find ET. :-))

Jump over to the SETI web page at http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
and see what you think. Check in the "Groups" area and do a search for
Fidonet. You'll find the "Web Idiot" there at, or close to, the bottom
of the list. :)

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Taken from the Internet
[email protected]
Through the eyes of a child
The Seven Wonders of the World

A group of Geography students studied the Seven Wonders of the World.
At the end of that session, the students were asked to list what they
considered to be the Seven Wonders of the World. Though there was
some disagreement, the following got the most votes:
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1. Egypt's Great Pyramids
2. Taj Mahal,
3. Grand Canyon,
4. Panama Canal,
5. Empire State Building,
6. St. Peter's Basilica,
7. China's Great Wall.

While gathering the votes, the teacher noted that one student, a quiet
little girl hadn't turned in her paper yet. So she asked the girl if
she was having trouble with her list.

The quiet girl replied, "Yes, a little. I couldn't quite make up my
mind, because there were so many."

The teacher said, "Well, tell us what you have, and maybe we can
help."

The girl hesitated, then read, "I think the Seven Wonders of the World
are...
1. to touch
2. to taste
3. to see
4. to hear
She hesitated a little, and then
5. to run
6. to laugh
7. and to love

It is far too easy for us to look at the exploits of man and refer to
them as "wonders" while we overlook all TRUE WONDERS, taking them for
granted as merely "ordinary."

May you be reminded today of those things which are truly wondrous in
our lives.

Ol'wdb

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GUEST EDITORIAL
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From: Warren Bonner <[email protected]>
Deaf, Blind... and Kindness
by Mildred Hondorf

MAY PEACE FIND YOU AND MAY YOU ALWAYS BE KIND.......

At the prodding of my friends, I am writing this story.
My name is Mildred Hondorf. I am a former elementary school music
teacher from DeMoines, Iowa. I've always supplemented my income by
teaching piano lessons- something I've done for over 30 years. Over
the years I found that children have many levels of musical ability.
I've never had the pleasure of having a protege though I have taught
some talented students. However I've also had my share of what I call
"musicially challenged" pupils.

One such student was Robby. Robby was 11 years old when his mother (a
single mom) dropped him off for his first piano lesson. I prefer that
students especially boys!) begin at an earlier age, which I explained
to Robby. But Robby said that it had always been his mother's dream
to hear him play the piano. So I took him as a student.

Well, Robby began with his piano lessons and from the beginning I
thought it was a hopeless endeavor. As much as Robby tried, he lacked
the sense of tone and basic rhythm needed to excel. But he dutifully
reviewed his scales and some elementary pieces that I require all my
students to learn. Over the months he tried and tried while I listened
and cringed and tried to encourage him. At the end of each weekly
lesson he'd always say, "My mom's going to hear me play some day." But
it seemed hopeless. He just did not have any inborn ability. I only
knew his mother from a distance as she dropped Robby off or waited in
her aged car to pick him up. She always waved and smiled but never
stopped in. Then one day Robby stopped coming to our lessons. I
thought about calling him but assumed, because of his lack of ability,
that he had decided to pursue something else. I also was glad that he
stopped coming. He was a bad advertisement for my teaching!

Several weeks later I mailed to the student's homes a flyer on the
upcoming recital. To my surprise Robby (who also received the flyer)
asked me if he could be in the recital. I told him that the recital
was for current pupils and because he had dropped out he really did
not qualify.

He said that his mom had been sick and unable to take him to piano
lessons but he was still practicing. "Miss Hondorf...I've just got to
play!" he insisted. I don't know what led me to allow him to play in
the recital. Maybe it was his persistence or maybe it was something
inside of me saying that it would be alright.

The night for the recital came. The high school gymnasium was packed
with parents, friends and relatives. I put Robby up last in the
program before I was to come up and thank all the students and play a
finishing piece. I thought that any damage he would do would come at
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the end of the program and I could always salvage his through my
"curtain closer."

Well, the recital went off without a hitch. The students had been
practicing and it showed. Then Robby came up on stage. His clothes
were wrinkled and his hair looked like he' run an egg beater through
it.

"Why didn't he dress up like the other students?" I thought, "Why
didn't his mother at least make him comb his hair for this special
night?"

Robby pulled out the piano bench and he began. I was very surprised
when he announced that he had chosen Mozart's Concerto #21 in C Major.
I was not prepared for what I heard next. His fingers were light on
the keys, they even danced nimbly on the ivories. He went from
pianissimo to fortissimo...from allegro to virtuoso. His suspended
chords that Mozart demands were magnificent! Never had I heard Mozart
played so well by people his age. After six and a half minutes he
ended in a grand crescendo and everyone was on their feet in wild
applause. Overcome and in tears I ran up on stage and put my arms
around Robby in joy. "I've never heard you play like that Robby! How'd
you do it?"

Through the microphone Robby explained:
"Well Miss Hondorf... remember I told you my mom was sick? Well
actually she had cancer and passed away this morning. And well....she
was born deaf so tonight was the first time she ever heard me play. I
just wanted to make it special."

There wasn't a dry eye in the house that evening. As the people from
Social Services led Robby from the stage to be placed into foster
care, I noticed that their eyes were red and puffy and I thought to
myself how much richer my life had been for taking Robby as my pupil.

No, I've never had a protege but that night I became a protege, ...of
Robby's. He was the teacher and I was the pupil For it is he that
taught me the meaning of perseverance and love and believing in
yourself and maybe even taking a chance in someone and you don't know
why.

This is especially meaningful to me since after serving in Desert
Storm Robby was killed in the senseless bombing of the Alfred P.
Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in April of 1995, where he
was reportedly....playing the piano.

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FIDONET WEB PAGE REVIEWS
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Collin County Station - Web Page Review
By Frank Vest

It feels kinda strange to be reviewing my own web page, but here goes.
:-)

The URL for the Collin County Station BBS Web Page has changed. The
new URL is;

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/flv

I'm happy that the tilde (~) is gone from the URL. The old site is
still up and functional and I'll get around to putting a "redirect"
there in the future. I've still got some months on my old ISP to use
up. :) Please make a note of the new address and update any links you
might have.

The page really hasn't changed much. It still has the Fido dog graphic
and link to the actual Fidonet page by clicking on the dog. I've
changed "hit counters" since the old one from my old ISP obviously
won't work on the new address. I did keep the running total of hits
intact.

There's a link with the Texas flag to one of my other sites. It is
about Collin County Texas and has links to some of the towns in the
county. If you're curious about what Collin County Texas has in it,
check there. :-)

Once you get to the Fidonet page, you'll find a pull down menu with
links to Fidonet information and some links on the page itself. I'm
rather happy with the page, but I don't want to "toot my horn" too
much about it. I mainly wanted to announce the new URL.

If you get a chance and are bored, drop by and check this page out,
You just might like it. :-))

Regards,

Frank - Sysop, Collin County Station BBS - 1:124/6308

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FIDONET NOTICES
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Daylight Savings Time is Coming

For those of us who observe it, Daylight Savings Time is coming.
Oct. 28th, 2001... Don't forget to change your clocks. "Fall back" one
hour. :)

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New E-Mail Address for Editor
By Frank Vest
[email protected]

Last week, I made mention that I would have a new E-Mail address due
to the install of DSL Internet. The install went fine and I have a new
address for Fidonews submissions. To submit articles to the Fidonews,
send them to;

[email protected]

I've made this E-Mail address specially for submission of articles and
to contact the Fidonews Editor. You should notice the change in the
Fidonews Banner and elsewhere in the Fidonews. If I missed making a
change and you notice it, please let me know.

Please update your records, address books and whatever else needed to
reflect the new address. Articles sent to the old address will not be
accepted after this edition and the old address will soon be history.

Note! This address is for article submission and contacting the
Fidonews Editor ONLY. Please DO NOT spam this address. Please DO NOT
send HTML.

Regards,

Frank

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COMIX IN ASCII
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CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
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Super-duper Computer
submitted by: [email protected]

Little Johnny was a very bright little guy. When he was 10 his dad
passed away. He always wondered if his dad went to heaven or hell. He
did excellent in his school classes and went on to Yale and graduated
at the head of his class in computer science. After graduation he went
to work for IBM as they had the most powerful, super-duper, computer
that one could possibly answer any question of a logical nature. The
computer passed every test he put it to. It even told him his entire
ancestry when he ask it about his own origin.

It was then that he remembered that he had always wondered if there
was really a heaven and a hell. He thought that this super computer
could possibly answer that eternal question. But how to phrase the
question so the computer could properly respond? He decided to ask it
if his daddy went to heaven. The computer never failed any task he
had assigned to it. He sat down at the console and typed: "Where is
my daddy?"

The hard drive lights winked and blinked and the screen responded,
"Your daddy's fishing at his favorite mountain trout lake". Johnny
was totally shocked. He decided the computer had misunderstood the
question. So he asked the computer, "where is my father"? The computer
came back with the same answer. This left him in total disbelief.
Then he got another idea, the computer works only on logical problems
and after rethinking his question he typed: "Where is my mother's
husband"?

Instantly the screen responded: " your mother's husband died when you
were ten years old, and your father is still fishing in his favorite
mountain trout lake".

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Old Guys
From an E-Mail to Frank Vest

On September 11th I indicated that if I could, I'd enlist again and
help my country track down those responsible for killing thousands of
innocent people in New York City and Washington, D.C. But I'm 60 now
and the Armed Forces says I'm too old to track down terrorists. You
can't be older than 35 to join the Army.

They've got the whole thing backwards. Instead of sending 18-year-olds
off to fight, they ought to take us old guys. You shouldn't be able to
join until you're at least 35.

For starters:

-- Researchers say 18-year-olds think about sex every 10 seconds. Old
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guys only think about sex every 15 seconds, leaving us more than
28,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy.

-- Young guys haven't lived long enough to be cranky and a cranky
soldier is a dangerous soldier. If we can't kill the enemy we'll
complain them into submission. "My back hurts!" "I'm hungry!" "Where's
the remote control?"

-- An 18-year-old hasn't had a legal beer yet and you shouldn't go to
war until you're at least old enough to legally drink. An average old
guy, on the other hand, has consumed 126,000 gallons of beer by the
time he's 35 and a jaunt through the desert heat with a backpack and
M-60 would do wonders for the beer belly.

-- An 18-year-old doesn't like to get up before 10 a.m. Old guys get
up early just to show we can (and to steal the neighbor's newspaper).

-- If old guys were captured we couldn't spill the beans because we'd
probably forget where we put them. In fact, name, rank and serial
number would be a real brain teaser.

If it wasn't for the age barrier, I'd pretty much get into the Army
without a hitch. According to the Army Internet site, I'd need to pass
an entrance exam (officially called an ASVAB), but the sample
questions I saw weren't exactly headache material.

For example:
A magnet will attract:
a) water
b) a flower
c) a cloth rag
d) a nail
I took a wild stab and guessed, "nail," knowing they'd probably stick
me in some desk job with Army Intelligence after Boot Camp.

If 12 workers are needed to run 4 machines, how many workers are
needed to run 20 machines?
a) 16
b) 18
c) 3
d) 60
Let's see...three workers per machine times 20 machines
...errr...hmmm...uhhh...60?

Finally, they wanted to know if I had command of the English
language, just in case I had to describe an enemy camp from memory.

Small most nearly means:
a) Sturdy
b) Round
c) Cheap
d) Little
I knew this cheap, little sturdy guy once, but I wrote down little.

Now you know where the first questions come from for the "Who Wants
To Be A Millionaire" game show.
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Boot camp would actually be easier for old guys. We're used to
getting screamed and yelled at and we actually like soft food. We've
also developed a deep appreciation for guns and rifles. We like them
almost better than naps. The Army could lighten up on the obstacle
course, however. I've been to the desert and didn't see a single
20-foot wall with rope hanging over the side. I can hear the Drill
Sergeant now. "Drop down and give me...er...one!"

And the running part is kind of a waste of energy. I've never seen
anyone outrun a bullet.

I'm reminded of the story of the young bull and the old bull standing
on a hill looking down on the cows. "Let's run down there and make
love to one of those cows," says the young bull. "How about we WALK
down there and make love to ALL those cows," replies the old bull.

Patience is something most 18-year-olds simply do not have. For good
reason, too. An 18-year-old has the whole world ahead of him. He's
still learning to shave. To actually carry on a conversation. To wear
pants without the top of the butt crack showing and the boxer shorts
sticking out. To learn that a pierced tongue catches food particles.
And that a 200-watt speaker in the back seat of a Honda Accord can
rupture an eardrum.

All great reasons to keep our sons at home to learn a little more
about life before sending them off to a possible death. Let us old
guys track down those dirty, rotten cowards who attacked our hearts
one month ago today. The last thing they'd want to see right now is a
couple of million old guys with attitude!

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Speeding Excuse
From an E-Mail to Frank Vest

There was a middle aged guy who bought a brand new Mercedes
Convertible SLK. He took off down the road, flooring it up to 80 mph
and enjoying the wind blowing through what little hair he had left on
his head.

"This is great," he thought and floored it some more. He looked in his
rear view mirror and there was a Florida Highway Patrol Trooper behind
him, blue lights flashing and siren blasting. "I can get away from him
with no problem," thought the man and he floored it some more and flew
down the road at over 100 mph. Then he thought, "What am I doing? I'm
too old for this kind of thing" and pulled over to the side of the
road and waited for the State Trooper to catch up with him.

The Trooper pulled in behind the Mercedes and walked up to the man.

"Sir," he said, looking at his watch. "My shift ends in 30 minutes and
today is Friday the 13th. If you can give me a reason why you were
speeding that I've never heard before, I'll let you go."

The man looked at the Trooper and said, "Last week my wife ran off
with a State Trooper, and I thought you were bringing her back."
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The State Trooper said, "Have a nice day."

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TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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*Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
BBS Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
BBBS Home Page
[email protected]
http://www.bbbs.net/

ELEBBS- The Elevator Software Productions Web Page
[email protected]
http://www.elebbs.com/

Hermes II Project (Mac)
[email protected]
http://www.hermesii.org/

Maximus BBS Support Page (Non Official)
[email protected]
http://www.vector11.com/maximus/

MBSE BBS
Michiel Broek + development team
[email protected]
http://mbse.sourceforge.net
2:2802/2 Michiel Broek.

Mystic BBS
http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/

Nexus Bulletin Board System
[email protected]
http://www.nexusbbs.net/

Proboard
Telegrafix Communications Inc.
[email protected]
540-678-4050
http://www.telegrafix.com

RemoteAccess Central
Bruce Morse
[email protected]
http://www.rapro.com/

Searchlight
Telegrafix Communications Inc.
[email protected]
540-678-4050
http://www.telegrafix.com

Spitfire BBS
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Buffalo Creek Software
[email protected]
http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/index.html

Synchronet BBS
[email protected]
http://www.synchro.net

Telegard BBS
[email protected]
http://www.telegard.net/

Wildcat Interactive Net Server (BBS)
Santronics Inc.
[email protected]
(305)248-3204
http://www.santronics.com

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Door Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bentstone Capabilities Group
[email protected]
http://www.srupc.com/mall

Jibben Software
[email protected]
http://www.jibbensoftware.com/

JNS Software Door Games
Rusty Johnson
[email protected]
304-733-0113
http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/

Legend Of The Red Dragon Reborn (L.O.R.D.)
http://www.lordlegacy.org/

PC Pursuits
[email protected]
(301)240-6653
http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm

S and T Software
Mark Bappe
[email protected]
(770)788-6843
http://bozax.iainc.net/public/

Shinning Star BBS Doors
[email protected]
http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/

Sunrise Door Software
Al Lawerence
[email protected]
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(404)256-9518
http://www.sunrisedoors.com/

The Brainex System
[email protected]
http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/

Trade Wars Door Game
[email protected]
http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
1:299/110

Vagabond Software
Bryan Turner
[email protected]
http://vagabond.virtualave.net/
1:124/7013

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mail Tossers
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
FMail Support
[email protected]
http://fmail.nl.eu.org/
2:280/1076

Squish Tosser
http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mailer Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
FrontDoor, FrontDoor APX, Mailer/Point Software
Definite Solutions
[email protected]
http://www.defsol.se/

BeeMail Home Page
http://beemail.gexonline.net
Stephen Proffit
1:211/405

BinkleyTerm XE Frontend Mailer Software
http://btxe.sourceforge.net/

Plantinum Express for Wildcat
Santronics Inc.
[email protected]
(305)248-3204
http://www.santronics.com

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Fidonet via Internet Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Argus
RITLABS
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[email protected]
373-2-246889
http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
2:469/84

BinkD
[email protected]
http://2f.ru/binkd/

Fidogate
[email protected]
http://www.fidogate.org/

Fidonet to Internet Mailer
Bo Bendtsen
[email protected]
http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm

GiGo Software
http://www.gigo.com/

Internet Rex
[email protected]
http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/

Tmail (Russian /w English DL)
http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm

TransX
Multiboard Communications Inc.
[email protected]
http://www.multiboard.com/software/transx.html
1:2401/305

TransNet
[email protected]
http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/

Watergate
[email protected]
http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Point Software
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Definite Solutions FrontDoor APX
http://www.defsol.se/

JetSys - Home of JetMail, JetStat and other Atari Fidonet utilities
http://www.jetsys.de/

APoint
http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm (Author)
http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Author)

CrossPoint ("Original" version)
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http://www.crosspoint.de
http://www.apoint-mail.de

CrossPoint (OpenXP Projekt)
http://www.openxp.com (English)
http://www.openxp.de (German)

CrossPoint (XP2 Team)
http://www.xp2.de

WinPoint95
http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english

The OpenXP CrossPoint Projekt
http://www.happyarts.de/xp

Terminate Terminal
http://www.terminate.com

PPoint-FTS compatible E-Mail System
http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Other Software, Utillities and such
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
F-Prot Anti-Virus Home Page
http://www.complex.is/cgi-bin/home_pager

BGFAX Home Page
http://blkbox.com/~bgfax/

SIO, Vmodem for OS/2
http://www.gwinn.com

NetModem for Windows
http://www.allensoftware.com

Com/IP
<http://pcmicro.com/comip

Husky - Portable Fido Software
http://husky.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/

cFos Fossil driver
http://www.cfos.com/index_e.htm

ADF Fossil
http://www.digsys.se/adf.html

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Dead Links
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Renegade BBS
http://www.egate.net/renegade/

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also receive routed notice of this feature.

v-email flag [email protected]
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| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | CABLE | n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 @ Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/2000 | Bob Juge | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ??? | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
1:134/11 @ Michael Grant | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
aDSL, 60 | n/c
138/146 | Marc Blakely | BinkP,FTP | ??? | n/c
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
142/906 | Chris Griffin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
150/220 | Dave Nemeth | UUE | ??? | n/c
153/7715 | Dallas Hinton | BinkD, FTP | CABLE | ???
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
167/166 | Jesse Dooling | POP? UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c
220/10 | [email protected] |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c
229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? |
229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c
250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c
261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c
323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
360/5 | Bennie Hutto | FTP VMoT | aDSL | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
393/9005 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ??? | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkP VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c
2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c
2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c
2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/1275 | @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
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3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek |FTP, BinkD | OC3 n/c
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c
28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c
47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c
201/505 | Goran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BN IFCICO | ??? | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c
255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c
263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c
280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c
280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c
292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/534 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c
341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | |
341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | |
343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | |
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | |
348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | |
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/558 | Vlad Hrusca | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
FIDONEWS 18-43 Page 24 22 Oct 2001

469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c
3830/10 | Matt Bedynek | FTP, BinkP | 100Mb | n/c
5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 4
801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 6
65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free
653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free
654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free
654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free

--
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* TX = TransX
* NFS = Linux Networking
* ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
----------------------------------------------
Fidonet oriented news servers

news.osirusoft.com
news.tardis.net
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Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted)

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CALENDAR
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This Week's Calandar

Day Event
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22
Labor Day in New Zealand
23
Chulalongkorn's Day in Thailand
Liberation Day in Egypt
Paris Peace Agreements on Cambodia in Cambodia
Republic Day in Hungary
St. George's Day (Giorgoba) in Georgia
24
Independence Day in Zambia
Suez Victory Day in Egypt
United Nations Day in Micronesia
25
Constitution Day in Lithuania
Independence Day/Republic Day in Kazakhstan
Taiwan Restoration Day in Taiwan
Thanksgiving in Grenada
26
Gospel Day Pageant in Cook Islands
National Day in Austria
27
Independence Day in St. Vincent & the Grenadines
Independence Day in Turkmenistan
28
Day of the 1956 Revolution in Hungary
Establishment of Independence Czechoslovakia/Day of the Republic
in Czech Republic
Ochi Day in Cyprus
Ochi Day in Greece

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OTHER STUFF
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America and God
Submitted by wdbonner@pacbell

Are you fed up with always trying to be politically correct?

This pretty much sums up a lot of my feelings on the subject. And if
any of this offends you, I will not apologize. Thank you, Barry
Loudermilk...author of the following:

-=-=-=-=-

Broken Arrow, Oklahoma School officials remove "God Bless America"
signs from schools in fear that someone might be offended.

Channel 12 News in Long Island, New York, orders flags removed from
the newsroom and red, white, and blue ribbons removed from the lapels
of their reporters. Why? Management didn't want to appear biased and
felt that our nations flag might give the appearance that "they lean
one way or another."

Berkeley, California bans US Flags from being displayed on city fire
trucks because they didn't want to offend anyone in the community.

In an "act of tolerance" the head of the public library at Florida
Gulf Coast University ordered all "Proud to be an American" signs
removed so as to not offend international students.

I, for one, am quite disturbed by these actions of so called American
citizens; and I am tired of this nation worrying about whether or not
we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist
attacks on September 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by
the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had
barely settled in New York and Washington, DC when the "politically
correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our
patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone
who is seeking a better life by coming to America. In fact, our
country's population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of
immigrants; but, there are a few things that those who have recently
come to our country, and apparently some native Americans as well,
need to understand.

First of all, it is not our responsibility to continually try not to
offend you in any way. This idea of America being a multicultural
community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national
identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our
own language, and our own lifestyle. This culture, called the
"American Way" has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials,
and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
Our forefathers fought, bled, and died at places such as Bunker Hill,
Antietam, San Juan, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Korea, Vietnam, and the
FIDONEWS 18-43 Page 28 22 Oct 2001

Persian Gulf, for our way of life.

We speak English, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or
any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our
society -- learn our language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some
off-the-wall, Christian, Right Wing, political slogan -- it is our
national motto. It is engraved in stone in the House of
Representatives in our Capitol and it is printed on our currency. We
adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian
principles, founded this nation; and this is clearly documented
throughout our history. If it is appropriate for our motto to be
inscribed in the halls of our highest level of Government, then it is
certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.

God is in our pledge, our National Anthem, nearly every patriotic
song, and in our founding documents. We honor His birth, death, and
resurrection as holidays, and we turn to Him in prayer in times of
crisis. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part
of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture and
we are proud to have Him.

We are proud of our heritage and those who have so honorably defended
our freedoms. We celebrate Independence Day, Memorial Day, Veterans
Day, and Flag Day. We have parades, picnics, and barbecues where we
proudly wave our flag. As an American, I have the right to wave my
flag, sing my national anthem, quote my national motto, and cite my
pledge whenever and wherever I choose. If the Stars and Stripes offend
you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a
move to another part of this planet.

The American culture is our way of life, our heritage, and we are
proud of it. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to
change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came
from. We are Americans, like it or not, this is our country, our land,
and our lifestyle.

Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his
opinion about our government, culture, or society, and we will allow
you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining,
whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto,
or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other
great American freedom, the right to leave.

Barry Loudermilk (C) Copyright 2001 Barry Loudermilk

Warmest Regards, Ol'wdb

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FEDERAL NET ASSISTANCE
Submitted by [email protected]

Government addresses on the Internet.
FIDONEWS 18-43 Page 29 22 Oct 2001

The challenge is knowing where to look.

www.firstgov.gov makes that it a lot easier.

www.state.gov Department of Defense updates

www.defenselink.mil Latest remarks by President Bush

www.whitehouse.gov/news Instant news updates

www.spear.navy.mil/shipmail/form.asp If you want
to send e-mail to personnel stationed on a ship.

To narrow your search, the government offers
other one-stop sites. These include sites for:
Kids: www.kids.gov
Disabilities: www.disabilitydirect.gov
Seniors: www.seniors.gov
Resources for the workforce: www.workers.gov

Federal Consumer Information Center: (www.pueblo.gsa.gov
Consumer Action Handbook:
www.pueblo.gsa.gov/crh/respref.htm

Social Security Administration www.ssa.gov
Small Business Administration www.sba.gov
U.S. Patent and Trademark Office www.uspto.gov
Where you can apply or search for trademarks.

Of course, Uncle Sam doesn't just dispense information. The
government is one of the Internet's biggest vendors, ringing
up hundreds of millions in sales each year.

Administration's free "Guide to Federal Government Sales"
www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/fed_prog/fedsales/fedsales.htm
Listed in this booklet is a complete rundown of what's sold,
how items are sold, special restrictions and contact
information, including Web site, phone number and address
for each agency.

Twenty different government Departments, Services, Programs,
Administrations or Authorities with more than 100 government
Web sites that sell products, services or recovered property
directly to the public:
FedSales www.fedsales.gov
At the GSA's auction page www.gsaauctions.gov
find cars, planes, boats, computers, construction equipment,
furniture, photo equipment and more.

Real estate and vehicles acquired by the DEA, Immigration,
Department of Justice or U.S. Attorney offices:
www.bid4assets.com

For property collected by the Postal Service:
http://pages.ebay.com/promo/usps.html

FIDONEWS 18-43 Page 30 22 Oct 2001

I hope this list will be saved to your "Favorite Folder" to assist you
in federal departmental searches.

Ol'wdb

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Nodelist Stats

INPUT NODELIST FILE : NODELIST.292
File has a Date Stamp of : 10/19/2001
File Size (uncompressed) : 1201.25 KBytes.

The Input Nodelist file has 11087 Nodes in it
and a total of 14135 non-comment entries.

The list has 6 Zones listed.
67 Region Coordinators listed.
498 Network Hosts listed.
753 Hubs listed.
343 DOWN Nodes listed.
864 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
517 HOLD Nodes listed.

Administrative overhead = 1324 ( 11.94 %)
PRIVATE NODES overhead = 864 ( 7.79 %)

Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
9600 = 9517 ( 85.84 %)
(HST's = 204 or 2.14 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
(CSP's = 2 or 0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
(PEP's = 16 or 0.17 % " " " " )
(MAX's = 0 or 0.00 % " " " " )
(HAY's = 3 or 0.03 % " " " " )
(V32's = 5381 or 56.54 % " " " " )
(V32B's = 683 or 7.18 % " " " " )
(V42's = 5114 or 53.74 % " " " " )
(V42B's = 732 or 7.69 % " " " " )
2400 = 114 ( 1.03 %)
1200 = 8 ( 0.07 %)
300 = 484 ( 4.37 %)

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F_Req Flag Applicable Software Number of Systems
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XA Frontdoor <1.99b 4309
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
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XB Binkleyterm 2.0 10
Dutchie 2.90b
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XC Opus 1.1 12
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XP Seadog 7
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XR Opus 1.03 78
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XW Fido >12M 415
Tabby
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XX D'Bridge 1.30 4719
Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
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CrashMail capable = 3994 ( 36.02 %)
MailOnly Nodes = 5728 ( 51.66 %)
Listed-Only Nodes = 842 ( 7.59 %)

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