F I D O N E W S         Volume 18, Number 30             23 Jul 2001
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        Copyright 2001 by Frank L. Vest, Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                       Table of Contents
    1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
       Have you ever Noticed  ....................................  1
    2. GENERAL ARTICLES  .........................................  2
       New happenings in my life  ................................  2
       The Amazing Zone 1 Word Twist Game  .......................  3
    3. EDITORIAL  ................................................  6
       Echomail Saga  ............................................  6
    4. FIDONET NOTICES  .......................................... 10
       The "Fidonet Software Listing" Section  ................... 10
    5. EDITOR'S CORNER  .......................................... 11
       An Old Idea  .............................................. 11
    6. HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN  ..................................... 14
       Fido and Life  ............................................ 14
       Fidonet's Favorite Things  ................................ 14
    7. COMIX IN ASCII  ........................................... 16
       Owls  ..................................................... 16
    8. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES  ...................................... 17
       The Lord's Prayer for E-mail  ............................. 17
       Faux Pas  ................................................. 17
       Fishing  .................................................. 17
    9. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................................. 19
       Fidonet Software listing  ................................. 19
    10. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ..................................... 23
       Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 23
    11. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 29
       How to Submit an Article  ................................. 29
       Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 30
       NetStats  ................................................. 31
    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 1                   23 Jul 2001


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                            FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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    Have you ever noticed....  Anybody going slower than you is an idiot,
    and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
     --George Carlin

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    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 2                   23 Jul 2001


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                            GENERAL ARTICLES
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                          New happenings in my life
                                By Frank Vest
                                1:124/6308(.1)

    Just to get off of the kicks and politics of Fidonet, I thought I'd
    write a little about what is happening in my life. I'm not getting
    real personal here, but it's a change. :-)

    I'd like to invite other Fidonet people to write some about things
    that are happening in your life. It doesn't have to be real personal
    or some earth shaking event. Just about anything that might be
    happening in your life. The idea here is to make Fidonet and the
    Fidonews more "family" and "community". We are, BTW, a family of sorts
    and what is happening in our individual lives might be of interest to
    others. Who knows, you might make a friend or two. :-))

    This idea was hatched by noticing that the first issues of the
    Fidonews, Tom Jennings as Editor, asked for events happening in the
    lives of Fidonet members. It seemed to be his belief that Fidonet was
    a community, a thought that many still have, though not always shown.

    Anyway. Send articles about the birth of your child, grandchild, your
    pending marriage, what new things you are attempting with your
    computer(s), BBS, or whatever to the Editor as a submission. Even the
    remodeling of your house... Heck we're a community here, right? :-)

    Enough of that. Here's my offering. :-)

     Ok. Recently I tried to network three of my systems together just for
    fun. My thought was to be able to play games and read/write messages
    from any of the systems without having to have several setups on
    several systems. I could also see the benefits of having the BBS
    download files on a system with more space and allowing the BBS to
    simply retrieve them as needed. Easy way to increase the BBS. :-)

     I had a couple of NIC cards and with some cable, I started. Now, I'm
    not a network specialist in any form. I couldn't get the cards to
    configure and the whole thing failed to work. I finally found setup
    programs for the cards and tried again. With the help of some Fidonet
    members, I learned that the setup for many of the older NIC cards must
    be done from Dos... not a Dos prompt.

    It's been a learning experience, but I now have three systems running
    on a peer to peer. Two are Win98 and one is Dos. FWIW, There is an
    excellent site on the Internet at: http://www.wown.com/ that has some
    very good help on networking a peer to peer.  You can also get
    software to network Dos systems with TCP/IP and other protocols on the
    Internet. If anyone is interested in the Dos stuff, let me know and
    I'll try to point you at some information.

    Have a great day!

    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 3                   23 Jul 2001


    Frank

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                      The Amazing Zone 1 Word Twist Game
                                By Frank Vest
                                1:124/6308(.1)


    It's time once again, as always, to play "The Amazing Zone 1 Word
    Twist Game".

    How to play?

    Simple: Any statement made or word(s) said by someone in a Fidonet
    Echo are interpreted and twisted, in any way you want, to mean what
    you desire, regardless of the intention of the statements or word(s).
    This is best used in an administrative echo to disrupt or stop someone
    from actually doing something that another sees as wrong without
    having to justify why it is wrong.

    Let's start:

    First, This is my side of post made in a Fidonet, Zone 1, Echo by me
    and how it can be twisted. My post is noted as "Statement *" and my
    twist of the statement is noted by "Twist *".The statements are real.
    The twists are made up and should not be related to any real twists
    that have been used on any messages.

    Begin:

    "Why are some areas listing (gaining) nodes while others are not? I'm
    not pointing a finger at any one group here."

    If only it would be taken that way.

     Statement 1:
    "Fidonet has a Policy. Some respect it, some ignore it. Some follow
    it, some work around it, some disregard it while others do other
    things with/to it."

     Twist 1:
    I agree with you. The ones that ignore it are wrong because it is
    law. It's precious and should be revered and followed.

     Twist 2:
    Yes, you are right, it is a bad policy and should be ignored and
    disregarded. It is outdated and should be thrown out.

     Statement 2:
    "If P4 is ignored, anyone that asks for a Node number can be given one
    by anyone that is willing to assign one."

     Twist 1:
    Absolutely. That's how it should be and we are doing that.

    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 4                   23 Jul 2001


     Twist 2:
    Of course you are right. P4 forbids that. How dare someone think that
    Node numbers can be given by anyone!

     Statement 3:
    "If P4 is followed, one must apply for a Node number and agree to
    certain things."

     Twist 1:
    Yes. That is what is killing Fidonet. People don't join because of
    P4. You are correct in wanting it thrown out.

     Twist 2:
    Yes. P4 should be followed. We agree.

     Statement 4:
    "I'm not saying either or any is bad or good, just stating the facts
    as I see them."

     Twist 1:
    Facts?!? Yeah, your facts!

     Twist 2:
    Facts?!? Yeah, your facts!

     Statement 5:
    "If any organization has a policy and that policy is followed, there
    will be those that won't join that organization because of the policy.
    If there is someone, or section/group in the organization that is
    willing to ignore the policy, the ones that wouldn't join before
    because of the policy will/might then join."

     Twist 1:
    You are right on. Policy should be followed to prevent those
    undesirables from getting in.

     Twist 2:
    Absolutely. Allow new Nodes in. Forget about that old, outdated text
    file called a policy.

     Statement 6:
    "When this happens, there is going to be conflict between at least two
    factions of the organization."

     Twist 1:
    Yup. And our way is best. How good of you to see this.

     Twist 2:
    Yup. And our way is best. How good of you to see this.

     Statement 7:
    "The ones that follow the policy will fight with the ones that ignore
    the policy because it is against the policy and wrong in their view."

     Twist 1:
    <sarcasm>
    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 5                   23 Jul 2001


    Of course we can't have that famous policy ignored. Heaven forbid!
    What is this world coming to?!?

     Twist 2:
    <no sarcasm>
    Of course we can't have that famous policy ignored. Heaven forbid!
    What is this world coming to?!? I'm glad you're with us on this.

     Statement 8:
    "The ones that ignore the policy will argue that the policy is wrong
    and defend this with arguments that they are gaining members for the
    organization."

     Twist 1:
    Of course they will. That's the only argument they have.

     Twist 2:
    Yup. Can't argue with facts.

     Statement 9:
    "There could be others that will argue for parts of the policy to be
    followed and other parts to be ignored because of different reasons
    and judgements. Sadly, in many instances, the sides that are arguing
    will be totally unwilling to work towards fixing, developing, or other
    wise helping, preferring to argue and continue doing as they always
    have."

     Twist 1:
    Fix what? It isn't broken. What we do is working fine. Prove it needs
    be fixed.

     Twist 2:
    Fix what? It can't be fixed. What we do is working fine. Prove that
    it can be fixed and we'll talk.

    End:

    Of course, this isn't always the case and not all people in Zone one
    participate in this game, but it does happen. :(


    Have fun,

     Frank

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                                EDITORIAL
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                                Echomail Saga
                                By Frank Vest

     I asked a simple question in an echo. It was in innocence and I
    thought it would be answered simply and over with. Not in Fidonet.
    :-))

    The subject was about how the distribution systems in Zone 1 work in
    regards to how they "mesh" with each other, the hierarchy, "Who's
    Who", and such.

    Up to the point that I dropped the conversation, it has been fairly
    civil in that echo on the subject.  I'd like to thank the participants
    for that and also thank the Moderators for allowing the conversation
    to happen in the echo, which is, BTW, not really `on topic' for that
    echo.

    I've had thoughts for some time about the distribution systems in Zone
    1. There are two or three, dependant on how you look at it. So, I
    asked the following questions;

    "Real question to me is: Why does Fidonet Zone 1 need a tier??...
    better yet, why does Fidonet Zone 1 need three distribution systems."

    Answer: Terminology. Different systems call their members by different
    terms... IE: Tier1, 2 ... ZHub, RHub ....

    "Another real question to me is why are there three separate lists of
    echos for Fidonet in Zone 1? Why not have one official list and all
    carry it?"

    The common answer, from all sides, to this question seems to be, `Zone
    1 doesn't need multiple distribution systems for echomail' and
    `politics'.

    I have been in this conversation via the echo and via Netmail. Some
    feared that I was receiving one side of a story and believing that
    side only. Far from it. I was gathering information in the only way I
    know how or can. I ask questions and read answers.

    As this plays out.... from my point of view....

    There are three echomail distribution systems in Zone 1. Some discount
    one of those because it carries a lot of multi-lingual echos. I can't
    discount that since, 1.) It carries much the same echos as the other
    Z1 distribution systems, 2.) What does language differences have to do
    with distribution?

     It is mentioned that the distribution systems, while separate, have
    "bridge" Node(s) that may or may not be part of each system but act as
    a connection between the systems.

    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 7                   23 Jul 2001


    To me, that is a weak place in the echomail distribution. since a
    break there will kill echomail for one half to one third of Z1
    depending on the number of Nodes linked to each distribution system
    and such.

    It is mentioned that Fidonet is a network.

    Duh... Yes. :)

    As such, there are tiers in the network. Some are above others in some
    fashion due to how the network is set up. The "rank" in this setup is
    strictly technical and has nothing to do with power. Ok... let's look
    at that.

    Fidonet, I believe, is a peer to peer network. All Nodes in this
    Fidonet network can connect to every other Node equally. I'm not
    saying that each Node does or has to connect to every other Node, only
    that they can connect to each other where and if desired. That's a
    peer to peer?

    When things such as top level and other titles are inserted into this
    peer to peer network, it becomes something else. The "equal" goes away
    and there is a "power" based on who can connect to who for what reason
    and where do these connections fit into the "rank" of the system.
    Then, there are divisions due to technical situations. One hub feeds
    this side and one hub feeds that side due to the demand. It is now a
    "Client/Server" system. It can still be peer to peer in the respect
    that anyone can connect to anyone else for one or all echos, but there
    is a change that takes place.

    I'm not a network technician and I don't know a lot about networks or
    some other things. What I do see, however, is how the above plays out
    in the real world with people.

    Take Fidonet and set it up as a peer to peer. Then add people to
    operate the systems on this peer to peer network. Now, add in some
    people that decide to set up a distribution system and make a
    "client/server" system for the network to increase efficiency.
    Remember that this can be and still is a peer to peer network in the
    respect that each Node can connect to any other Node. In fact, the
    people that set up the "client/server" system are peers to one another
    in some respects.

    Good idea and it can work. The problem comes in when you start dealing
    with the "human" factor.  Put personalities into play and other human
    things and we end up with problems. One doesn't like another and a
    word is said that doesn't set well and there is a disagreement between
    two hubs about something and the next thing we know, there is a split.
    Now we have two distribution systems doing the same thing separately.
    How do they interact? A bridge system that can and will work with
    both.

    Time passes and there is another disagreement, another split and
    another bridge.  More time and more disagreements and more bridges and
    so forth.

    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 8                   23 Jul 2001


    This may not sound like a real problem until you realize that these
    bridges are stacking up on top of each other, the distribution systems
    are stacking up and the weight is growing. Given time, there will be
    one distribution system for each Node. In other words, each Node will
    be it's own distribution system and will bridge to every other Node.
    Can you say Peer to Peer? You should... That's what we end up with.
    :-)

    Ok, so what's so bad about this?  The trouble that is caused in
    getting from point A to point A. Huh?!? "Point A to Point A"?!? Yes.
    We have gone nowhere and caused/had a lot of trouble in the process.

    Depending on how this happens to play out, we could go from point A to
    -point A. If every Node ends up as its own distribution system and
    bridge because of some disagreements and all the distribution systems
    refuse to cooperate with each other and the bridges, which are the
    distribution systems which are the Nodes, refuse to cooperate with
    each other, the Fidonet peer to peer network dies.

    Take a look around. See anything familiar?

    I'm not saying that multiple distribution systems are wrong. I'm just
    saying:

    Forget about the top level, mesh this and that, titles and such.

    Look at the Elist. Find the echos that are listed as distributed via
    Fidonet.

    Forget about the multi language stuff. If it's not in your language
    and you don't want it, don't subscribe to it.

    Check for "private" echos. IE: Regional, administrative and such.

    In case there is a question if the echo is "private" or admin. or
    such, ask the Moderator.

    Check with the Moderators to find out if they wish to have their echo
    listed and distributed via fidonet.na

    ---= Rules =---

    1. If the echo is listed as a Fidonet echo and the Moderator wants it
    distributed, by gum!, it's distributed. Period.

    2. If a person feeding someone doesn't want to carry an echo, get it
    from somewhere else.

    3. No power allowed. No Titles allowed.

    4. If other distribution systems wish to continue operation, fine. Go
    for it.

    5. If some want to charge for service, no problem. If some want to pay
    for service, no problem. Just don't bitch about the service to anyone
    except the person or "distribution system" you pay to.
    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 9                   23 Jul 2001


    6. This is a hobby. There are no guarantees given, implied or
    expressed.

    7. Drop the politics!

    ---= End of Rules =---


    Regards,

     Frank Vest, Fidonews Editor

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                             FIDONET NOTICES
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                    The "Fidonet Software Listing" Section
                                By Frank Vest
                                1:124/6308(.1)

    I was approached by Todd Cochrane about adopting the "Fidonet Software
    Listing" section of the Fidonews. Todd will now be producing, updating
    and submitting that list. Any corrections, additions or whatever
    should be addressed to him.

    At this time, I do not have contact information on Todd. I'm sure he
    will provide such in his section or let us know how to reach him for
    updates and additions.

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                             EDITOR'S CORNER
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                                 An Old Idea
                                By Frank Vest
                             [email protected]

    In some of the original editions of the Fidonews, there were articles
    from Nodes about what was happening in there personal lives and other
    such things. The Editor seemed to encourage this as the thought was
    that Fidonet was a community. As example of this encouragement, I
    offer the following excerpts from the Fidonews:
                                    --==--

             You are ENCOURAGED to send things in for the
     newsletter. ANYTHING is fit for the newsletter, such as a
     description of your board, problems found, questions, jokes,
     fixes, horror stories about wrong FidoNet numbers, things
     for sale, etc etc etc.
                                    --==--

    I'm not sure that just "ANYTHING" is fit for the Fidonews, but I am
    willing to accept most anything. We are Fidonet. We are all different.
    Fidonews is the Newspaper of Fidonet. News from those members is
    welcome. I'll draw the line at vulgar language.

    Tom went on in the first edition to write:
                                    --==--

              Oh yeah, I did mention that ... I hereby declare all
      Fido users and sysops members of the FidoNet Users Group.
      Sounds pretty stupid, huh? Well ... If there are 100 Fido
      systems around the country, and each has at least 100 users,
      thats 10,000 people. Any group that large has advantages, if
      nothing other than letters to the editor of your favorite
      magazine. This is just a brainstorm at this point, but is
      something to keep in mind.
                                    --==--

    This would seem to indicate that Users as well as Nodes are welcome in
    the Fidonews. After all, Fidonet is more than just a bunch of
    Sysops. Even with our shrinking numbers, there are still Users in
    Fidonet that access BBS for the message areas. I'll buy that. :)

    As you have probably noticed, I've written most of the Fidonews this
    week. That's nothing new. I've been trying to get articles submitted,
    but there are always the excuses. Some are pretty good excuses, but
    the ones that stick out to me are the ones that blame me for articles
    not being submitted. Really?!? :(

    I know that there are guidelines for submissions. The first Fidonews
    editions had some as well. IE:
                                    --==--

                         ARTICLE SUBMISSION
    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 12                  23 Jul 2001


                    The format of this thing is totally ad hoc; please
            make recomendations as to formats, sections needed, liked,
            or hated, columns you'd like to see, or see removed,
            anything at all. If you want to submit something regularly,
            we can start a column for you.

                    You are ENCOURAGED to send things in for the
            newsletter. ANYTHING is fit for the newsletter, such as a
            description of your board, problems found, questions, jokes,
            fixes, horror stories about wrong FidoNet numbers, things
            for sale, etc etc etc.

                       SUBMITTING AN ARTICLE

                    An article should have your name, node number (if
            applicable), followed by the text. Text can be any ASCII
            derivative; WordStar, soft paragraphs, 8th bit set, etc are
            all OK.

                    Articles can be uploaded at either Fido #1 or #51,
            into the NEWS File Area, or by sending it by FidoNet. There
            is a convention for naming the files, so that the newsletter
            can be published automatically.

                           ARTICLE FILENAMES

                    file.ART        For article type things
                    file.SAL        Things for sale
                    file.NOT        Notices
                    file.MSC        Miscelaneous things
                    file.EDT        an Editorial
                    file.NEW        News items
                    file.WNT        Wanted items

                    Make sure the name is unique, especially if you send
            it by FidoNet, so you dont overwrite another article.
                                    --==--

    I'm not saying that we should do as the above, but still... If you
    don't submit anything, you can't know if it will be accepted. Blame
    your lazy self. The guidelines for submission are basically that,
    guidelines. They are mainly technical in nature since the program that
    makes the Fidonews will not handle high ascii and lines over 70
    characters. The rest are still "JUST GUIDELINES". Even the character
    and length problems are workable. I "fix" the articles that are
    submitted that don't meet the requirements of the makenews program. I
    don't mind doing this. I do mind when there are no submissions due to
    some complaint about the guidelines. That's BS and a bad excuse IMHO.

    I've put in an article from me about things happening in my life. Hey,
    we all have a life and we are all members of the Fidonet community.
    Write something! If nothing else, when you submit articles, it just
    might shut me up since the Fidonews will have submissions and I won't
    have to write so much. :-))


    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 13                  23 Jul 2001


    Regards,

    Frank

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    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 14                  23 Jul 2001


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                          HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN
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                                Fido and Life
                              From Warren Bonner
                            <[email protected]>


    There WAS life before computers, and Fidonet...

    - An application was for employment
    - Fidonews was six tiny puppies
    - A program was a TV show
    - Fido Zones were doggie run parks
    - A cursor used profanity
    - Fido was the family pet
    - A keyboard was on a piano
    - Fido Region was the home yard
    - Memory was something that you lost with age
    - Fido history was archives of AKC
    - A CD was a bank account
    - Fido-Doggie-with-Floppy-Disk was Tom's dream
    - A letter might take three days to reach your friend
    - Fido software was yet to be invented
    - Compress was something you did to garbage
    - Fido simply buried his
    - Log on was adding wood to a fire
    - Fido always anointed logs, trees or whatever
    8^))

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

                          Fidonet's Favorite Things
                                By Frank Vest
                    Inspired by a Sysop in a Fidonet Echo

    To the tune of "My Favorite Things"

    Flame wars and Net wars no one is forgiven
    Stopping at nothing is how we are driven
    Wild accusations that hurt what we love
    Hey wait a minute I forgot my glove

    Start out with a message designed to do damage
    Finish with a statement that's born of pure spamage
    Twist all the words to fit what you think
    That's how you manage to make Fido sink

    When the Nodes drop,
    When the Nets stop,
    We all get together to lay on the blame
    Then we don't feel so bad.

    Tell all the Sysops your views about P4
    That's the best way to start up a Zone war
    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 15                  23 Jul 2001


    What does it matter what others may think
    They really need to go see a shrink

    When you are proved wrong never admit it
    Swear that the others simply don't get it
    Puff up and cough up and spew up old things
    It doesn't matter, it has a good ring

    When the mail stops,
    When the zones drop,
    We'll all get together to lay on the blame
    Then we won't feel so bad.


    <clap> <clap>

    <bowing humbly>

    Thank you very much

    For my next number....   No! Wait!! Not the flame throwers... Arrrgh!!
    :-)

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                             COMIX IN ASCII
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                                     Owls

       ___              ___              ___   ___       }  ___
      <-o->            </,\>            <*,*>_<*,*>     {  <@,@>
      [`-']            [`-']            [`-'___`-']     U---'-']
      -"-"-            -"-"-            --"-----"--        -"-"-
     Tired owl        Sad owl          Siamese owl(s)   owl smoking


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                           CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
    =================================================================

                         The Lord's Prayer for E-mail

    I had been teaching my three-year old daughter, Caitlin, the Lord's
    Prayer. For several evenings at bedtime, she would repeat after me the
    lines from the prayer. Finally, she decided to go solo. I listened
    with pride as she carefully enunciated each word, right up to the end
    of the prayer: "Lead us not into temptation," she prayed, "but deliver
    us some E-mail. Amen! ! ."

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                                   FAUX PAS
                      submitted by [email protected]

    In the north of England lived a man, poorly educated, who made a large
    fortune by selling his design for a bicycle chain. With this money he
    set about realizing his childhood ambition to become a country squire.
    He purchased a beautiful estate near the Scottish border, and
    proceeded, with the help of some excellent servants, to live in a
    manner none in his family had ever dreamed of.

    Foremost of these servants was his butler, Jeeves, a well-educated man
    who assisted his master in every way he could to better himself. The
    master would often ask Jeeves for advice on how to handle a social
    situation, or to explain a new term. One day when the master was
    reading he called Jeeves in and asked, "Jeeves, what is this fox
    pass?"

    "Sir," replied Jeeves, "that would be 'faux pas.'  I'll give you an
    example. Do you remember recently when Lord and Lady Plushbottom
    stayed for the weekend? And do you remember how on Sunday morning Lord
    Plushbottom pricked his finger on a rose thorn? And do you further
    remember how later, at breakfast, Lady Plushbottom asked her husband,
    "Is your prick still throbbing, dear?", and you said "Christ!" and I
    dropped the marmalade?

    That, Sir, was a "faux pas."

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

                                   Fishing


    Two fellas are fishing in a boat under a bridge. One looks up and sees
    a funeral procession starting across the bridge. He stands up, takes
    off his cap, and bows his head. The procession crosses the bridge and
    the man puts on his cap, picks up his rod and reel, and continues
    fishing. The other guy says, "That was touching. I didn't know you had
    it in you."

    The first guy responds, "Well, I guess it was the thing to do - after
    all, I was married to her for 40 years
    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 18                  23 Jul 2001


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                        FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
    =================================================================


    This list has been adopted. See the Fidonet Notices section for
    details.

    The format of this list is currently;

    Name
    Internet address (if available)
    Fido style address (if available)

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 BBS Software
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    Buffalo Creek Software - Spitfire BBs
    http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/index.html

    The Elevator Software Productions Web Page
    http://www.elebbs.com/

    Hermes II Project (Mac)
    http://www.hermesii.org/

    MBSE BBS for Linux
    http://freezer-burn.org/mbse/

    The Official Mystic BBs Web Page
    http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/9426/index.html

    RemoteAcces BBs Software World Wide Sales and Support Site
    http://www.rapro.com/

    Renegade BBs Software
    http://www.egate.net/renegade/

    Through a Looking Glass Mirror Telegard Support
    http://www.telegard.net/

    The Maximus Home page
    http://oeonline.com/~garyg/maximus/

    BBBS Home Page
    http://www.bbbs.net/

    Synchronet BBS
    http://www.synchro.net

    Nexus Bulletin Board System
    http://www.nexusbbs.net/

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                Door Software
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 20                  23 Jul 2001


    Shinning Star BBs Doors by Nannette Thacker
    http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/

    Jibben Software
    http://www.jibbensoftware.com/

    Sunrise Door Software
    http://www.sunrisedoors.com/

    Vagabond Software
    http://vagabond.virtualave.net/

    Legend Of The Red Dragon Reborn (L.O.R.D.)
    http://lord.darktech.org/

    Trade Wars Door Game
    http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/

    JNS Software Door Games by Rusty Johnson
    http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Mail Tossers
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    FMail Support
    http://fmail.nl.eu.org/

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                               Mailer Software
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    Definite Solutions - FrontDoor, FrontDoor APX, Mailer/Point Software
    http://www.defsol.se/

    BeeMail Home Page
    http://www.bise.tzo.com/beemail/

    BinkleyTerm XE Frontend Mailer Software
    http://btxe.sourceforge.net/

    Santronics Software Inc.
    http://www.santronics.com/

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                        Fidonet via Internet Software
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    Internet Rex (Internet mail software)
     http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/

    Argus
    http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/

    Bink D
    http://2f.ru/binkd/

    Fidonet to Internet Mailer
    http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm
    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 21                  23 Jul 2001


    TransX
    http://www.multiboard.com/software/transx.html

    Fidogate
    http://www.fidogate.org/

    Tmail (Russian /w English DL)
    http://www.tmail.spb.ru

    TransNet
    http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/

    Watergate
    http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/

    GiGo Software
    http://www.gigo.com/

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                Point Software
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    Definite Solutions FrontDoor APX
    http://www.defsol.se/

    JetSys - Home of JetMail, JetStat and other Atari Fidonet utilities
    http://www.jetsys.de/

    APoint
    http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm

    CrossPoint
    http://www.crosspoint.de

    WinPoint95
    http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english

    The OpenXP CrossPoint Projekt
    http://www.happyarts.de/xp

    Terminate Terminal
    http://www.terminate.com

    PPoint-FTS compatible E-Mail System
    http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                     Other Software, Utillities and such
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    F-Prot Anti-Virus Home Page
    http://www.complex.is/cgi-bin/home_pager

    BGFAX Home Page
    http://blkbox.com/~bgfax/

    SIO, Vmodem for OS/2
    http://www.gwinn.com
    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 22                  23 Jul 2001


    NetModem for Windows
    http://www.allensoftware.com

    Com/IP
    <http://pcmicro.com/comip

    Husky - Portable Fido Software
    http://husky.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/

    cFos Fossil driver
    http://www.cfos.com/index_e.htm

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    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 23                  23 Jul 2001


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        Net 275:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/
        Net 267:  http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/net267/
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      Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
        Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
      Region 15:  <vacant>
      Region 16:  <vacant>
      Region 17:  http://www.region17.net
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        Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
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    Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
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    -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
    Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
      10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
      10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
      18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      18/600   | Jerry Gause       | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
     103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
     103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
     103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
     105/8     @ Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
     105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
     106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
     106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
     106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
     107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
     1:134/11  @ Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                   aDSL, 60 | n/c
     138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
     140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
     142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
     167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
     167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
     218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
     220/10    | [email protected] |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
     229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
     229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
     229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
     250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
     250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
     250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
     261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
     280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
     297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
     323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
     342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
     360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
     395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
     379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
     379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
     393/9005  | Steve Quarrella  |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ???   | n/c
     395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
     396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
     396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
    2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
    2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 26                  23 Jul 2001


    2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
    2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
    2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
    3613/1275  | @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
    3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
    3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
    3651/9     @ Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
    3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Zone 2     |
      20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
      37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
     201/505   | Goran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
     211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BN IFCICO      | ???   | n/c
     221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
     236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
     280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
     280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
     280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
     292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
     292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
     292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
     292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
     301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
     332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     335/534   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
     335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
     341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
     344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     400/558   | Vlad Hrusca       | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
     465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
     469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
     469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 27                  23 Jul 2001


     480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
     550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
    2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
    2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
    2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
    2446/301   @ Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
    2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
    2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
    5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
    5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5020/238    | Sergey Gubanov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
    5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
    5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
    5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
    5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Zone 3
     633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
     640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
     712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
     774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Zone 4
     801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
     902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
     905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Zone 6
       65/3000      | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
       653/1009     | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
       654/0        | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
       654/1501     | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free


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     INPUT NODELIST FILE      : NODELIST.201
     File has a Date Stamp of :  7/20/2001
     File Size (uncompressed) :   1234.27 KBytes.

     The Input Nodelist file  has 11380 Nodes in it
     and a total of  14517 non-comment entries.

     The list has     6 Zones listed.
                     68 Region Coordinators listed.
                    506 Network Hosts listed.
                    794 Hubs listed.
                    383 DOWN Nodes listed.
                    821 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
                    559 HOLD Nodes listed.

     Administrative overhead = 1374 ( 12.07 %)
     PRIVATE NODES overhead  = 821 (  7.21 %)

     Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
    FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 32                  23 Jul 2001


                 9600 =   9730 (  85.50 %)
                       (HST's =  214 or   2.20 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                       (CSP's =    2 or   0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                       (PEP's =   16 or   0.16 % "        "    "     "   )
                       (MAX's =    0 or   0.00 % "        "    "     "   )
                       (HAY's =    3 or   0.03 % "        "    "     "   )
                       (V32's = 5523 or  56.76 % "        "    "     "   )
                       (V32B's =  720 or   7.40 % "       "    "     "   )
                       (V42's = 5180 or  53.24 % "        "    "     "   )
                       (V42B's =  772 or   7.93 % "       "    "     "   )
                 2400 =    115 (  1.01 %)
                 1200 =      8 (  0.07 %)
                  300 =    531 (  4.67 %)

    ----------------------------------------------------------
     F_Req Flag      Applicable Software     Number of Systems
    ----------------------------------------------------------
     XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             4559
                     Frontdoor  2.02+
                     Dutchie 2.90c
                     Binkleyterm >2.1
                     D'Bridge <1.3
                     TIMS
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     XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                11
                     Dutchie 2.90b
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     XC              Opus 1.1                       13
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     XP              Seadog                          6
    --------------------------------------
     XR              Opus 1.03                      81
    --------------------------------------
     XW              Fido >12M                     414
                     Tabby
    --------------------------------------
     XX              D'Bridge 1.30               4769
                     Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
    --------------------------------------

     CrashMail capable =   4259 ( 37.43 %)
     MailOnly Nodes    =   5773 ( 50.73 %)
     Listed-Only Nodes =    850 (  7.47 %)

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