F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 16 18 APR 2001

F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 16 18 APR 2001
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Copyright 2001 by Editor Warren D. Bonner for Fidonews Globally.

Table of Contents
1. HEADLINE ................................................. 1
2. CHAT WITH THE EDITOR ..................................... 2
\\/+ EDITOR PLAYS AMBASSADOR TO ZONE 2 +\// .............. 2
3. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 7
>>>> GUEST EDITORIAL <<<< ................................ 7
4. ZONE ANNOUNCEMENTS ....................................... 8
5. THOUGHTS ................................................. 11
6. OPINIONS ................................................. 13
.+. OPINIONS OF OPINIONATED OTHERS .+ .................... 13
7. LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK ......................... 15
>>>>> LETTERS TO THE EDITOR <<<<< ........................ 15
8. ARTICLES ................................................. 16
>>>>>> ARTICLES <<<<<<< .................................. 16
9. FRANK'S COLUMN ........................................... 17
10. RECIPES ................................................. 19
/// Recipes \\\ .......................................... 19
11. GETTING TECHNICAL ....................................... 22
//+\ TECHICIE STUFF /+\\ ................................. 22
12. POET'S CORNER ........................................... 24
>>>>> POET'S KORNER <<<<< ................................ 24
13. HUMOR ................................................... 25
14. NOTICES ................................................. 28
15. FIDONET BY INTERNET ..................................... 29
16. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 34
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HEADLINE
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Never mistake motion for action.
- Ernest Hemingway

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CHAT WITH THE EDITOR
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[Dear readers, this is an ongoing effort to bring Zones together.]

* Original reply to posted message to zone one:

Warren> Hi ward, Still waiting..
Last week you said you'd look it over and get back to me, (I thought
then for the issue last week); now this week is almost gone and still
no IC item for the IC Corner... Did you forget? <g>
(I have that problem myself, hee-heh)
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From: Ward Dossche <[email protected]>
To: Warren Bonner <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Still waiting...

Warren,

You might announce that due to my forgetfulness I will now have to
commit ritual suicide and make certain an mpg-file exists of it on
the internet.

<sigh> Indeed, overlooked and overworked. The moment a lot of stuff
rolls in an the entry scrolls out of sight one tends to forget.

I'll get to it "now".

Ward
==================Message sometime later========================

From: Ward Dossche <[email protected]>

Hello Ward,
Thanks for using Fidonews to get the word out to the masses in the
inactive regions, and the "PING" proposal to the flag system. I do
appreciate your taking time from your very busy schedule to make an
attempt to let other folks, besides your present home land, know a
little about Ward the man himself. I quote from your letter to me to
be accurate, although took the liberty to interject to make it a
conversational format. <With a slight edit here and there for
clarity>.

Ward> People in Belgium usually are rather reserved. When I lived in
the US, in Montana, I learned the values of another kind of
hospitality.

Warren> I had no IDEA you had lived in the USA. In fact I thought you
were probably German born and English was a second language being that
you `spoke' in short terse sentences that seemed arrogant to
Westerners at times. <g>

Ward> Way out in the plains, (of Montana), with no-one around nor in
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eyesight, we didn't even bother to lock-up the place when we left
because people's attitude was "What if someone comes by, is in
desperate need of something and finds the door locked?".

Warren> That is the way it was in Texas where I was born on an
eighteen square mile ranch owned by my grandfather and his six sons;
and when the hoof & mouth cattle disease in '29 struck, over 7000
cattle in our County were piled and burned by government people.
The ranch was lost as the land could not have hoofed animals on it
for five years quarantine. My father homesteaded 360 acres in Nolan
County, and started a dairy farm where I grew up.

Ward> I don't keep the front-door open 24/24 but when the weather's
good most of the time it's open and we've had these experiences when
kids, none of our own, came into the house, opened the fridge, got
something cool to drink and left again to resume playing. My mother
was horrified when she learned we allowed this but up till this day
I enjoy it ... the kids know we've got Coke/Pepsi and the neighbours
only tap-water, so you can easily guess where their preference goes.

Warren> Yep! We raised six children, and some of their friends at
times to allow the friends to finish school year. I swear they each
had three to five friends raiding the refrig after school every day!
Jan purchased three 24 can cases twice a week just for sodas, and lots
of Koolaid! I would round the corner coming home from my businesses
and twenty kids would be on the front lawn, five days a week. Forty
years later my oldest son is CEO executive vice president Siemens
Solar USA. HQ'd Camarillo, Ca. (Between Oxnard & Ventura on coast).

Ward> I work for Belgacom, that's the Belgian dominant telephone
company. Phone companies are major energy consumers and I'm to look
into a plan about alternative energy-sources meaning wind, tidal,
earth-movement and solar.

Warren> In my working years I had owned three companies, two retail
and service, one cable company. My son spends half his life in a 747
going to Germany, India, Thailand, Brazil, Japan, not to mention WDC
meetings with environmental and energy people. I will give him your
email address, perhaps you can meet on one of his trips to Siemens
home office in Germany.

Ward> I'm not in that category yet but they're already there regularly
with specific financial request. Daughter-1 needs music instruments
and the cheapest practice-flute costs 6-700$ (she's 13 OK!). A
concert-instrument goes into the several thousands so I explained her
I'm investing in her future when talking that kind of money. I don't
expect her to drop-out now, not after 6 years of "voluntary" study.
BTW, she's got 4 flutes.

My soccer-son needs 2 sets of equipment a year, plus the gas for the
trips to practice, the games, consumption in the clubhouse, insurance
and hospital. He's been injured so often that I've told him the only
place he hadn't been stitched yet was his dick. :-)

Warren> I can see that! There is no higher calling in my book. For
most children are a great reward and make the old heart swell with
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pride.

Ward> Indeed! My folks never attended any of the things I did and some
of them were pretty good. So maybe I'm overcompensating,
but if I am, I'm enjoying every single minute of it.

Warren> I'm 75 and in pretty good health. How old are you?

Ward> I'm 50. My dad's 80, my mam passed away in 1995 and since then
my dad's got a new girlfriend, a 67 year old chick. He's never been
that active, well groomed, taken care of as now. So, Warren, even at
75 life is not past you, it is in front facing you.

Ward> I'm committed to doing something about P4 though I haven't got
the slightest idea where I'll find the time. I'm attempting to
regenerate the fidonet.org-domain but that's not a bed of roses
either.

Warren> I am happy to hear that from you. Delegate some of the work to
volunteers. It wont be an easy task for anyone. P4/5 should be done
one step at a time and that approved before the next step. There will
likely be too much vying for different agendas all at the same time
to do it any other way and get it done in this lifetime. I have one or
two ideas on that if you ever want them.

Ward> Please! But do consider this also: I'm always claiming the
North-Americans (and I need to exclude most of the Cannoocks) have no
view nor perception of Fido outside the NA-continent. We can talk
about cultural diversity but I'm up against something completely
different:

* Lately major wars have been going on in Europe in countries where
Fido is active. I did get these conflicts copied on my plate where
individual sysops of all warring sides are bringing the conflicts into
their Fido-operation;

* I was called to rule on the name of a net in R38 which carried the
name "Macedonia". The Greek government claims that Macedonia is part
of the historic great empire founded by Alexander The Great way before
Christ and that an ex-Yugoslavian province has no right to the name.
The countries turned it into a major hostile conflict with military
activity and full scale war was narrowly avoided. At the same time
though I was bombarded with formal complaints by Greek sysops about
the same thing, namely that an R38net cannot have the word "Macedonia"
in its name. Silly for you and others maybe but for them it is very
fundamentalistic;

* In R40 (Israel) it is impossible for Palestinian sysops to join
Fido. Palestinian points on Israeli nodes are very scarce too;

* R33 (Italy) has been crushed thrice by the Italian police upon
suspicion of being a Maffia-operation. Finally I went to the Italian
Embassy in Brussels and told the ambassador if this didn't stop I
would take the state of Italy to the International Court of Human
Rights as ZC and highest authority of Fidonet in Europe. Since then
R33-sysops were left in peace but the region suffered so dearly it
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never recovered;

* In another mid-east country the royal family consists of a number
of individuals without a job. One of them has been appointed as
overseer of Bulletin Boards. He came-out with a ruling that all
operators of BBSs (that includes Fido-nodes) needed to register with
him and obtain a license to operate a Fido-node failing which their
health-insurance would be revoked.

Warren> You are a remarkable transformer yourself. I had a very
different picture of you Ward, I am sorry to say. And a fine caring
family man was not part of that picture. One hears too much slanted
truths and some downright lies over the years. Most do not know the
man you have revealed to me today. I know that some will be very
disappointed in their editor's presentation of this communication.
But like Janis said a day or so ago to Michiel V., the Z2 folks
should submit articles and the editor would publish their take on
things too. <paraphrased>

Ward> We all have this problem that we communicate a lot but there's
not much communication.

Go to Yahoo and search for "Ward Dossche" ... you'll find me as a
Holocaust researcher, as someone who's worked for the UN, I've been
executive director of Greenpeace, I studied piano and life is much to
short to do all the things I want to.

This summer I'm renting a yacht and the family and myself are going on
a sailing-vacation to Ireland.

Warren> I can now see 90% of it is your lack of time to be charming
of word. You just spit it out like you believe it to be and that is
that in very few words; although you have written more lately than I
have personally seen in years.

Ward> That is correct. I need to say things in one single "go" and
move on as there's too much territory which needs to be covered in a
short time. I realize this creates an awkward impression at times but
people have to accept this.

The problem of electronic mail is that one writes something in a
certain state-of-mind while other people will read it in another state
of mind and get the complete wrong impression.

Warren> If you could find it in your schedule to just make an
acknowledgement to everyone that we were all in error on some things,
it would not only be the truth, but you would go up in popularity
in my opinion as everyone can appreciate an extended hand of a friend.

Ward> Where would you like to see something like that posted?

Warren> Right below this paragraph would be nice. I am pleased to
have had this opportunity to know you better Ward. I apologize for
anything I have said that was hurtful in anyway. I hope you will feel
the same, and we will both feel better as will everyone else involved
in the the TJ-TM thing.
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Ward> Indeed. We all err and not in the least myself.
Sometimes a little bit more effort could create less misunderstanding.
I try to do that although I notice that no matter how one may try at
certain moments the barrier still remains.

Ward> We are separated by exactly that which unites us: Technology
and language. Let's make the best of it and please come and see me
for a couple of minutes next year when I'm passing through LA.

\/\/ard

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GUEST EDITORIAL
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NONE. No Submissions this week...

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ZONE ANNOUNCEMENTS
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7 April 2001
Edited by Carol Shenkenberger

Zone 6 Election Progress Report

(Note from xxcarol, due to their worry about use of english, I have
assisted with minor edits and done the reformatting to make it fit the
Fnews line length requirements. When I am not sure what they meant, I
left it intact as sent. Barry Blackford and I will be working to keep
the news flowing. If a line has an * at the start, it means I did a
little assistance with grammar or spelling in that paragraph.)

ANY ERRORS IN MEANING DUE TO MY EDITS, ARE SOLELY MY FAULT!- XXCAROL

Message to : Bin Li From : Anatoli Tung Subject : Reply to All
Date/Time : Sat 07 Apr 2001 12:17a

b e g i n e x t r a c t e d m e s s a g e ----------------
Hi from Ridder (East Kazakhstan)!
Saluton, Bin!

Now 06-04-2001 I have incoming message by ICQ:

=== Cut ===
* redhurst: (8:08 PM) I think I can do temp z6c if you agree.
=== Cut ===

Also:
30 Mar 01 14:14, From 6:654/0
>Bin Li wrote to Anatoli Tung:

*AT>> Who collects the votes? The procedure of choices does not
exist, the name Fan has collected votes.

AT>> I do not give a vote neither for, nor against, I agree with any
result of choices. And I do not see, that can change in a zone 6,
if have or not of the chosen coordinator. But I consider, that by
most optimum would be to announce temporary ZC (for relation with
the coordinators of other zones) Lawrence Fan, and we will help
him to carry out other

(xxcarol note, the above has a double quote and I am unsure who was
the text author. I've missed a few messages)

(Bin Li)
*BL> I think Lawrence can be a very good z6c.
BL> You,barry and me both will help him to do best :)

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BL> Because we only have a fidonet.
BL> i think we will collaborate very good.
BL> Bin Li

(Anatoli Tung from here down except the xxcarol notes)

*I already wrote about my opinion concerning these choices. Now for
more detail. The presence of a name of the coordinator in a line
"Zone,6," will not improve and will not worsen a situation, it will
be changed only by a lot *sysop's (who are) amicable, active and
devoted to Fidonet.

*I add (to) my previous letter on it by such plan. On a role temp ZC
I offer to choose Bin Li or Lawrence Fan, the name is not important,
as we shall work together, though me imposes Fan. If Fan has
collected votes, let he will inform them here, in Zone6Sysop.

(xxcarol note: Anatoli isnt totally clear above here so I cant
touch it. I do know it's friendly and think he's asking Lawrence
Fan about what votes he may have)

The important commission: WHO CAN INFORM it in Fidonews and ZCC-echos
in English about new name of Z6C, as well as why him have chosen?

(xxcarol note: Barry Blackford and I both offered. I'm starting
this note but the process will conclude while I am out of contact
enroute to Japan or waiting for my computers to arrive once I'm
there in Japan)

*I can inform, but if there will be questions, my English will be
insufficient. If the Z6C will be Bin Li, Fan or Barry can inform.
Already now it is possible to inform. Up to the arrangement with
ZC I create the list, I hope, for a long time.

(xxcarol note: I told Anatoli and the others not to worry. Fidonews
is about NEWS and COMMUNICATION, not about perfect grammar when it's
a second language. What he says above is he can continue to
generate the Z6 submission like he has been, as long as any new Z6C
wants him to.)

*At transition of this work to another, I shall subscribe him to
fileecho r64-list. This list requires constant manual processing,
- removals of a superfluous line "Zone,6". I shall help to make the
lists of r60, I shall help (if it will be necessary) to support links
with networks of regions 60, 61 (Fatman), 62 (Wang), 63 (Carol). And
resulted zonal segment will be named xxxxx.###. (Do not "xxxxxx", ###
- number of next _Friday_, this is
requirement of IC).

(xxcarol note: Anatoli knows ZC level nodelist processing and is
working on cleanups. He's already got updates from one RC in Z6, in
the echo as there was an ISP problem of some sort. I'll have to get
with him on R63 segment but it's going to be very hard from here and
he understands that. The actual names were edited out due to
possible security issues for Z6).

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*I also am interested in the opinions of Bin Li and Lawrence Fan,
whether it is necessary that we have a gate for mail from the
Internet for all domains in n###.z6.fidonet.org? It can be made. If
you agree, I (will) try to do (this) (my friend in z2 has this gate,
he agrees to gate for all z6 too).

(xxcarol note: Progressive bunch! I like it!)

*For close discussions, I shall do so: after one more week I change
sysop-name in line "Zone,6," to: "Bin_or_Lawrence_and_Anatoli" if I
have not have received votes from Fan, or to: name of elected person.

(xxcarol note: They have 3 candidates and are working out elections.
Above are the names: Bin Li, Lawrence Fan, and Anatoli Tung. Note
that Z6 culture is different and it's appropriate there to truncate
to first names when they cant fit all the 3 names in the field).

*Therefore, I ask Bin Li or Lawrence to prepare the message for
Fidonews within one week, that: after disapperance of Chris Leung
and a long time without a coordinator in Zone6 (to?) inform news
about itself... with names of all candidates and elected name.

(xxcarol note: I do not have Bin Li's email address but I can catch
Lawrence).

*Other information and questions:
- I ask for (permit me to) include (if have) vietnamese,
kasakhstanese and other Asians IP nodes in my nets.
- From next week I have CM-answered binkd at IP of my friend in
Russia, so this allows links by binkp and ftp. (with continuous
control by ftp from Kazakhstan or Vietnam). So from next week I will
have binkd-argus link with Fan...

Chao,

Anatoli.

6:770/1 [email protected] [email protected]
ICQ 70429669 voice phone (xxcarol note: ommitted from Fnews
article as do not have his
permission to post it)

-!-
! Origin: ... (6:770/1)
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THOUGHTS
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HONESTY
Once there was a little boy who lived in the country. They had to
use an outhouse, and the little boy hated it because it was hot

in the summer, cold in the winter and stank all the time. The
outhouse was sitting on the bank of a creek and the boy
determined that one day he would push that outhouse into the
creek.

One day after a spring rain, the creek was swollen so the little
boy decided today was the day to push the outhouse into the
creek. So he got a large stick and started pushing. Finally, the
outhouse toppled into the creek and floated away.

That night his dad told him they were going to the woodshed after
supper. Knowing that meant a spanking, the little boy asked why.
The dad replied, "someone pushed the outhouse into the creek
today. It was you, wasn't it, son?" The boy answered yes. Then he
thought a moment and said, "Dad, I read in school today that
George Washington chopped down a cherry tree and didn't get into
trouble because he told the truth." The dad replied, "well, son,
George Washington's father wasn't in that cherry tree!"

Class Assignment
The teacher gave her fifth grade class an assignment:
Get their parents to tell them a story with a moral at the end of it.
The next day the kids came back and one by one began to tell their
stories.

Ashley said, "My father's a farmer and we have a lot of egg-laying
hens. One time we were taking our eggs to market in a basket on the
front seat of the pickup when we hit a big bump in the road and all
the eggs went flying and broke and made a mess."

"And what's the moral of the story?" asked the teacher.
Ashley said, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket!"
"Very good," said the teacher.

Next little Sarah raised her hand and said, "Our family are farmers
too. But we raise chickens for the meat market.
We had a dozen eggs one time, but when they hatched we only got ten
live chicks, and the moral to this story is, "don't count your
chickens before they're hatched."

Teacher: "That was a fine story Sarah."
"Michael, do you have a story to share?"

"Yes, ma'am, my daddy told me this story about my Aunt Karen.
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Aunt Karen was a flight engineer in Desert Storm and her plane got
hit. She had to bail out over enemy territory and all she had was
a bottle of whiskey, a machine gun and a machete.

She drank the whiskey on the way down so it wouldn't break when she
landed, and then she landed right in the middle of 100 enemy troops.
She killed seventy of them with the machine gun until she ran out of
bullets.

Then she killed twenty more with the machete till the blade broke.

And then she killed the last ten with her bare hands.

"Good heavens," said the horrified teacher, "what kind of moral did
your daddy tell you from that horrible story?"

"Stay the Hell away from Aunt Karen when she's been drinking."

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By: Frank Vest
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On (11 Apr 01) TODD COCHRANE wrote to FIDONEWS...

Todd> On another subject next time you see a service member in church
a bar or on the street say thanks. Sometimes that is worth a years pay
when said in sincerity.

Frank> And in sincerity. Thanks!

If I may... This should be heeded by all Nations. Although we, the
civilian, may not understand or agree with the politics and such, the
dedication and bravery of any Nation's military men and women should
be appreciated. They do a job that many, myself included, would find
hard, if not impossible, to do. No, we may not always understand or
agree with the politics of the Countries or Nations, but that doesn't
change the dedication of the people that put their life on the line
for their Country/Nation!

Regards,

Frank
http://texoma.net/ flv
http://bise.tzo.com/r19

* Origin: Holy Cow! I'm A Point!! (1:124/6308.1)

By: Philip Lozier
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* In a message originally to Thom LaCosta, Frank Vest said:

Frank> Which means nothing since Ross is the elisted Moderator, which
means nothing since the elist isn't universally accepted as the list
of echos and moderators in Fidonet, which means nothing to those that
do accept the elist as the means to determine the moderator of an
echo, which means nothing to those that don't which means nothing
because Ross is the elisted moderator of the echo.

Phil> Did the top levels of the Z1B agree to this supposed election
they never heard of that consolidated the Z1B with the NAB? I think
not, since a 5-0 vote removing him as moderator of Z1_DISCUSSION was
surely not in his favor...

Phil> I think what Thom is getting at is that the Z1_DISCUSSION echo
is not just any chit chat echo, but is of an administrative nature to
the Z1B... he can be said to have removed himself of any affiliation
with it when he left the Z1B... Ross can no more remove that echo from
the ELIST any more than the FidoNews echo, or Z1COORD echo could be
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removed.

Ross tried to wrap it up in a neat little package, but he failed.

This whole mess is about as corrupt as it can get.

Phil

* Origin: AFcom BBS! http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/afcombbs (1:267/169)

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FRANK'S COLUMN
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End of an Era
The Death of "TEM"
By Frank Vest

No, no one has died, but, something has died.

I guess I should explain. :)

Net124 has had a computer that handled all of the Echomail for the
Net since before I was a Node in Fidonet. We, in Net124, lovingly
called this machine "The Echo Machine", or "TEM" for short. I might be
a little off on my history since TEM was around way before I even
became a Node in Net124, or Fidonet, but I believe that the computer
we called "TEM" was bought by the Net. It was maintained by an "Echo
Fund" via donations. One person in the Net, "The Keeper of TEM" kept
the machine at their home and maintained it out of those funds. No,
this wasn't a CRP. The donations were voluntary and even if you didn't
donate, you still got the benefits of TEM. No, this wasn't just a Node
number in the Nodelist. This was a machine that was passed from
"Keeper" to "Keeper" through time. This was a physical transfer of
hardware. The new "Keeper" picked up the computer from the former
"Keeper" and took it to his/her home. It was set up and configured and
a separate phone line connected to it. A lot more than a simple
Nodelist change was involved here.

As of Nodelist.096, TEM, 1:124/1 is no more in Net124. :(

This might not sound like much and you might think "So what? What's
this got to do with Fidonet as a whole??". Well, I'd like to think
that our little Net124 "TEM" wasn't/isn't the only TEM that was/is
around.

Back in the days when all mail was sent via direct modem connection,
a Net benefited from a "TEM" greatly. Think of it. A Net with 100+
Nodes and each one had to have or make it's own connection to another
Node or feed, sometimes by long distance telephone calls, to get
Netmail and Echomail. An Echo Machine could connect to one feed for
one LD cost and then feed the local Nodes via local calls. Cost to the
Nodes was cut dramatically. "TEM" was a "God Send" and made a lot of
Fidonet happen. Without these machines, can you imagine what Fidonet
wouldn't have been?

So, what has this to do with the end of an era? Just this. As
Fidonet has grown and declined, so has the technology grown and
declined. Fido technology was the thing back when the Internet was
little more than a file transfer system for those that could afford it
or were part of some organization that had it. Fidonet had the
graphics and the ability for the "common" person to use it. The person
off the street could connect to a BBS and communicate with others from
around the world. As we, Fidonet, decline, we are now using the
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technology that was once below us to keep Fidonet alive.

Maybe we should think on this and think of all the "little TEMs" that
were, and might still be out there.... sitting in some person's home
and churning out the mail that comes into it. Maintained by some
person that does this just for the fun of it. Maybe we should thank
these little machines and the persons who run them.

Yes, it's the end of an era in Net124, but not the end. Fidonet might
not have these little machines for much longer, but Fidonet will go
on. The end of one era is just the beginning of another. Keep the
faith and keep Fidonet going. Use the technology of today just like
the little TEMs of the past used the technology of their day. Keep it
going and grow.

In final thought, I'd like to say a thanks to Paul Lentz, the last
"Keeper of TEM" in Net124. Kudos to you and my thanks for your
efforts. TEM may be gone, but I know you will still be there to feed
those of us in Net124 that seldom thank you for the effort.

Thanks TEM!, and Thanks Paul!

Kind regards,

Frank

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RECIPES
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By: JOAN MACDIARMID
MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

Title: Crespelle Al Mascarpone (Crepes Filled With Mascarpone)
Categories: Italian, Pancakes, Cheese, Desserts, Filling
Yield: 6 Servings

For the Crepes
(About 16 - 8" each)
2 lg Eggs
1 tb Olive Oil
1 c Milk
1/2 c All-Purpose Flour
1/4 ts Salt
2 tb Granulated Sugar
Vegetable Oil Or Butter;
For greasing the pan
For The Filling:
1 1/2 c Mascarpone Cheese
2 tb Powdered Sugar
Zest From 1 Lemon
For The Sauce:
1 c Wildflower Honey
1 1/2 oz Dark Rum

Beat all the crepe ingredients together, except the oil or butter for
greasing the pan, to make a batter. Let it stand for an hour or so.
The batter should be the consistency of a high grade whipping cream.
It should coat the back of a spoon well but be liquid enough to slide
into shapes easily, so it will conform of the shape of the pan. If the
batter becomes too thick to pour easily, add a little water and beat
it again until it is the right consistency.

Oil an 8 inch, heavy crepe or frying pan with a tiny amount of oil or
butter, using a paper towel. The pan must be hot but not smoking. Pour
in about 3 tablespoons of batter, or a bit more. Tip the pan all
around and spread the batter to make a thin pancake. Brown the crepes
on one side then turn them over with help of a metal spatula or fork
and cook them for another minute or even less.

As the crepes are done, stack them on a plate until needed. Grease
the pan after each crepe is made; if your pan is in excellent
condition, it may not be necessary after the first 3 or 4 are done.

Crepes can be made a day or two ahead and stored in the refrigerator
well wrapped in plastic. They also freeze well.

FILLING: Mix all the ingredients together with a tablespoon.

SAUCE: Mix the honey and rum together. Gently and carefully warm it
on low heat.
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TO ASSEMBLE: Divide the mascarpone mixture equally among 13 crepes.
Fold the crepes in half, then in half again. Place the crepes
slightly overlapping each other in a lightly buttered dish and heat
them in a preheated 375 F oven for about 10 minutes. Transfer them to
heated plates and drizzle with the honey, or pass it at the table.

Recipe (c) Carlo Middione - Vivande Ristorante As printed in SF
Examiner Epicure, 4/26/95 Posted by: Tess Mercer <[email protected]>

Notes:

For the filling I used icing sugar and the powdered zest from dried
lemon, lime and orange peels [mostly orange]. The citrus skins were
scraped of all white pith and left to air dry for several weeks until
quite hard. They were then ground to powder in a blender. I used about
1 tsp. I made the filling a few hours in advance to allow the zest to
soften and the citrus oils to penetrate the mascarpone. I also worked
in a tsp of milk to make the filling more spreadable.

For the sauce I used regular clover honey, 1 oz of water and 1/2 oz
of lemon juice. I wanted to keep it non-alcoholic to suit the
requirements of a guest and I really wanted the citrus accents to come
through.

I also made just 6 large crepes and rolled them into cylinders. I
served them in oblong oven proof dishes, one per serving.

Jim Weller

MMMMM

Joan MacDiarmid in Amherst, NY (working at SUNY/Buffalo)

* Origin: =-DING!-= Dinner's Ready! (1:142/736)

By: Carol Shenkenberger
To: Warren Bonner
----------------------------------------------------------------------
MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

Title: Carol's Bastardized Version of Texas Chili V1.1
Categories: Chili, Pork, Beans, Xxcarol
Yield: 4 Servings

1 Whole seeded, chopped fine,
Bananna pepper
28 oz Can crushed tomato
16 oz Can chopped tomato
1 md Onion
1 1/2 lb Ground pork
1 tb Black pepper
1 tb Comino (Cumin seeds, whole,
Dried)
1/2 tb Salt (you add more to the
FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 21 16 Apr 2001

Bowl if you like more)
3 sm Fistfuls of a 'red bean'
Water to fill

The current batch is going and here it is ...

1 medium HOT onion (if you dont cry when you cut it, find another)

No mind you, none of those measurements are exact. I just sorta
`dump stuff' by eyeball. You will also note there isnt a speck of
red pepper in this batch. It's probably closer to either true Mexico
or Jamaican 'chili' than anything else. It actually is 'hot' but
not the same type of 'hot' as a 'Texan' chili and yes, it has beans.

Last batch, did have red pepper and the taste lead me to experiement
with more comino and no red pepper. Last batch had 50/50 ground beef
and ground pork and I found the pork suited the flavor better and
created less 'grease' (a positive in my books but perhaps not in
anothers).

From: Carol Shenkenberger Date: 15 Mar 99

MMMMM

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GETTING TECHNICAL
=================================================================

By: Carol Shenkenberger
To: Ward Dossche
Re: Re: country code 000
----------------------------------------------------------------------
*** Quoting Ward Dossche from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

WD> I would like to have an indication if the FTSC is still a
functioning unit.

Carol> It is.

Carol>> that group this year. As it is, I am not able to do so but
I am `educating myself' on Z2 nodelisting issues (as you can see)
and have ideas on some possible things that they do there which are
probably better than what's in use now. (Modem flags specifically).

WD> Don't confuse "zone-2" "with a handfull of people and myself.
Fact is we do have a software "ERRFLAGS" which can be frequed here
via PSTN with that magic and the config-file can be freqqed with
"ERRFLAGS.ZC2".

Carol> I have a copy. It;s more useful to just look at the nodelist
sometimes.

WD> There are several suggestions from individual nodes about
improvements which reached me over the years and which have been
incorporated. The result is a pretty clean nodelist, although not a
perfect one. The simply are things which cannot be auto-corrected.

I don't like a lot of the things I see in the Z2 error list reports.
Much of it is just flat wrong to error on. I provided that report
back to Michiel.

xxcarol

* Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual
(1:275/100)

By: Lawrence Garvin
To: Ward Dossche
Re: country code 000
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ward wrote to Dave at 10:04 14 Apr:

WD> The reasons why "000-" is a bad idea have been stated and
repeated and re-itterated and reworded over and over enough so
that all willing to understand them have understood.

LG> Yet, Ward, is it not correct that these "reasons" hold equally
FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 23 16 Apr 2001

well to the existing 91-11 codes in India that can just as equally
be `misdialed' by any Zone 1 node and end up calling '911', just
as a `misdialed' 000- entry in Australia would have the same
results.

LG> To that end... we're already at risk for widespread accidental
dialing of emergency services operators -- and THAT situation
(India) is one we cannot ever do anything about.

LG> At what point do we cease exploring functional implementations of
solutions because some idiot somewhere might misconfigure his
nodelist compiler?

LG> Ergo.. whatever happened to "personal responsibility" for the
proper configuration of one's software?

* Origin: [email protected] | The Enchanted Forest (1:106/6018)

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HUMOR
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From: Bob Crowninshield <[email protected]>

"Medical Benefits Of Breast Watching"

This came from the New England Journal of
Medicine, so men take heart, and ladies - don't
look at us like we're scum when you catch us.
We're only doing it for our health.

Great news for girl watchers: Ogling over women's
breasts is good for a man's health and can add
years to his life, medical experts have discovered.
According to the New England Journal of Medicine,
"Just 10 minutes of staring at the charms of a female
is roughly equivalent to a 30-minute aerobics work-
out" declared gerontologist Dr. Karen Weatherby.

Dr. Weatherby and fellow researchers at three hospitals
in Frankfurt, Germany, reached the startling conclusion
after comparing the health of 200 male outpatients -
half of whom were instructed to look at busty females
daily, the other half told to refrain from doing so. The
study revealed that after five years, the chest-watchers
had lower blood pressure, slower resting pulse rates
and fewer instances of coronary artery disease.
"Sexual excitement gets the heart pumping and
improves blood circulation," explains Dr. Weatherby.

"There's no question: Gazing at breasts makes men
healthier."

"Our study indicates that engaging in this activity
a few minutes daily cuts the risk of stroke and heart
attack in half. We believe that by doing so consistently,
the average man can extend his life four or five years."

"Fish in Boston"

A Chicago salesman on a business trip to Boston had
a few hours to kill before catching a plane home.
Remembering an old friend's advice to try some
broiled scrod, a favorite fish in Boston, he hopped into
a cab and asked the driver,

"Say, do you know where I could get scrod around here?"

The driver replied, "Pal, I've heard that question a
thousand times, but this is the first time, ever, in the
passive pluperfect subjunctive."

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STRANDED
One day a man, who had been stranded on a desert island for
over ten years, sees an unusual speck on the horizon.

"It's certainly not a ship," he thinks to himself.
As the speck gets closer and closer,
he begins to rule out the possibilities of a small
boat, then even a raft. Suddenly, emerging from the
surf comes a drop dead gorgeous
blonde woman wearing a wet suit and scuba gear.

She approaches the stunned guy and says to him,
"Tell me, how long has it
been since you've had a cigarette?"

"Ten years," replies the stunned man. With that, she
reaches over and unzips a waterproof pocket
on her left sleeve and
pulls out a pack of fresh cigarettes.

He takes one, lights it, takes a long drag and says,
"Man, oh Man! Is that ever good!"

"And how long has it been since you've had a sip of
bourbon?" she asks him.

Trembling, the castaway replies, "Ten years." She
reaches over, unzips
her right sleeve, pulls out a flask, and hands it to him.

He opens the flask, takes a long swig and says,
"Wow, that's absolutely fantastic!"

At this point, she starts slowly unzipping the long
zipper that runs down
the front of her wet suit, looks at the man
seductively and asks, "And

how long has it been since you've played around?"
With tears in his eyes, the guy falls to his knees
and sobs, "Oh, sweet God! Don't tell me
you've got golf clubs in there, too?

Class Assignment
The teacher gave her fifth grade class an assignment:
Get their parents to tell them a story with a moral at the end of it.
The next day the kids came back and one by one began to tell their
stories.

Ashley said, "My father's a farmer and we have a lot of egg-laying
hens. One time we were taking our eggs to market in a basket on the
front seat of the pickup when we hit a big bump in the road and all
the eggs went flying and broke and made a mess."

FIDONEWS 18-16 Page 27 16 Apr 2001

"And what's the moral of the story?" asked the teacher.
Ashley said, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket!"
"Very good," said the teacher.

Next little Sarah raised her hand and said, "Our family are farmers
too. But we raise chickens for the meat market.
We had a dozen eggs one time, but when they hatched we only got ten
live chicks, and the moral to this story is, "don't count your
chickens before they're hatched."

Teacher: "That was a fine story Sarah."
"Michael, do you have a story to share?"

"Yes, ma'am, my daddy told me this story about my Aunt Karen.
Aunt Karen was a flight engineer in Desert Storm and her plane got
hit. She had to bail out over enemy territory and all she had was
a bottle of whiskey, a machine gun and a machete.

She drank the whiskey on the way down so it wouldn't break when she
landed, and then she landed right in the middle of 100 enemy troops.
She killed seventy of them with the machine gun until she ran out of
bullets.

Then she killed twenty more with the machete till the blade broke.

And then she killed the last ten with her bare hands.

"Good heavens," said the horrified teacher, "what kind of moral did
your daddy tell you from that horrible story?"

"Stay the Hell away from Aunt Karen when she's been drinking."

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To: All
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NLLIST v0.99 - TEST VERSION is now available for download and testing
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I'd appreciate comments, thoughts, suggestions on this so that I can
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Thanks!

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