F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 14 02 Apr 2001

F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 14 02 Apr 2001
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Copyright 2001 by Editor Warren D. Bonner for Fidonews Globally.

Table of Contents
1. HEADLINE ................................................. 1
=+=+ HEADER +=+= ......................................... 1
2. CHAT WITH THE EDITOR ..................................... 2
+ EDITORIAL + ............................................ 2
3. CORRECTIONS .............................................. 6
-=+ Corrected Connection +=- ............................. 6
4. ARTICLES ................................................. 8
5. FRANK'S COLUMN ........................................... 12
6. TRUE STORIES ............................................. 16
-=+ College Life +=- ..................................... 16
7. RECIPES .................................................. 18
-=+ Oenology I +=- ....................................... 18
8. TECHNOTES ................................................ 23
9. POET'S CORNER ............................................ 29
-=+ POET'S KORNER +=- .................................... 29
10. HUMOR ................................................... 31
11. NOTICES ................................................. 33
12. FIDONET BY INTERNET ..................................... 35
13. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 40
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HEADLINE
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"Perhaps the appearance of relative youth is the harbinger of the
onset of second childhood" ---Doug Meyers

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CHAT WITH THE EDITOR
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--= Good Bye John Boy =--

Today is the last day of the month, the day John pulled the plug on
his BBS and the Southern Star, I was informed. Another pillar of Fido
gone. First George Peace, and now John of the Star systems. It is sad
to see them go. Sorry I don't have George's stats.

John's 49, single, no children. He is a Design Engineer (embedded
systems, software and digital) by trade. He started the BBS 13 years
ago. The system grew and spawned an Internet Service Provider
business, which is what he does now. In FidoNet, he has served as NC,
Net Hub, NEC, Region Hub, REC, Zonegate, Filebone Coord, Filebone Hub,
and Zone Hub. He helped start Net 1:396, Backbone, ERN, Filebone, new
FTSC and Z1 Backbone.

He has contributed to Fidonet since it was an unweaned puppy, and has
many friends in Fido land who are sorry to see him go.

John said, "I know that there will be times that I miss it, but it's
time for me to move on. You can still reach me at [email protected]".

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By: Warren Bonner

From the lips of Andy Brown in behalf of our Western Star...

Brenda goes through a lot for Fido net that a lot of people never know
about.. All some people do is complain if the mail is not delivered
when they think it should be..

Andy
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Well folks, that is how it goes in fidoland these days. We struggle to
keep the good people who give of their time and resources to make mail
and files flow for all others... a kind of voluntary servitude for the
benefit of all... which isn't appreciated on the level and with the
respect it should be... I know! I lost my feed last Wednesday from
Brenda Western Star, when her DSL provider pulled the plug and
suddenly was in a quandary as materials were not coming in for the
Fidonews all the way to Saturday! Whew! What a relief when I pinged
her for the mail this morning and she had it waiting. That is when you
suddenly realize that the folks that make fidonet work are to often
taken for granted. Everyone should take a moment to send their feed a
big smile and a thank you.

On another note it is time to enjoy the warmth of spring, moving the
cocks ahead to accommodate longer hours to work and play by in the
coming months. April fool day is here as you receive this, and I don't
have to "fool" you with a fake headline as some would do. ]:-)) Keep
your articles coming and I'll try to keep them in the Snooze!
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WWR wdb Ol'wdb

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From: "Rob Ferrara" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Subject: Doug Myers
Date: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:39 AM

Hi Warren,

Douglas Myers was file-attaching the Fidonews to me after I left
Fidonet. I had them going directly to a folder and I was reading them
every couple of weeks. When they stopped coming, I didn't think much
of it. I found out a few months ago that there was more to it than I
thought.

When I resigned as moderator of FN_SYSOP, I asked Douglas to be
interim moderator until another election could be held. In one of
that echo's best moments, they elected him to the post.

The reason for my writing to you is that I'd like to restart the
practice of file-attaching the Fidonews to me. Can you find a way to
do it? I asked John Souvestre a couple of months ago. He said he
would but he hasn't yet. I suspect he forgot.

I miss Douglas. My last message from him:

--- Start message

To: <[email protected]>
From: Douglas Myers <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:54:11
Subject: Upcoming Events
RF> Good Luck and Best Wishes for a speedy and full recovery from your
upcoming surgery. I'm 43. For whatever reason, I pictured you as
being younger than I. I guess you just can't judge a cover by its'
book.

Doug> I'm 53; perhaps the appearance of relative youth is a harbinger
of the onset of second childhood :)

I'm pretty confident of the recovery. The doctors don't consider me a
big risk.

--- End message

Publish if you like.

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--- Rob Ferrara Home Page: http://www.crabapplelane.net Work Page:
http://www.gm-part.com Fantasy Football Home Page:
http://www.crabapplelane.net/ffl/

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To: "WARREN BONNER" <[email protected]>
Subject: Fw: Article
Date: Saturday, March 31, 2001 12:30 PM

By: Philip Lozier
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* In a message originally to Michiel van der Vlist, Janis Kracht said:

>MV> For one thing there is no way to get rid of an editor not
performing to satisfaction.

Janis> Too bad. You deal with it. If an editor is not performing to
your satisfaction, he could still be performing to other people's
satisfaction. You can't make everyone happy. The position of
Fidonews editor is not supposed to be held by the winner of a
popularity contest.

Phil> Many editors are on the top of the "I HATE YOU" list, no matter
what venue their publication comes out in...

A job of the editor is to provide whatever relevant information /they/
see necessary, despite the popular opinion, and to provide /their/
own view of things... I think Warren has tried to be fair... maybe
*TOO* fair, and has put up with too much guff... maybe he should start
exercising moderator privileges... after all, FIDONEWS is to report
the news, not to put up with what he has from the Z2 faction (90+
percent who have nothing useful to contribute other than criticism).
If Z2 had something amongst their vast, overpowering, numbers to
contribute, I am *SURE* Warren would publish it.

Now, just from my HO, I think Warren should "moderate" the topic of
Zone, trademarks, and copyright, from this echo, as related to
FidoNews... If the Z2's can't handle that, and have nothing to
contribute that is of a useful and productive nature, then so be it...
let them start their own European version of FidoNews separate from
this... What do we lose? NOTHING... just lose critics who never
contribute anyway.

Phil

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From: Tony Frew
To: Michiel van der Vlist
Subject: Copyright
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G'day Michiel,

24-Mar-01 10:59:03, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Warren Bonner
Subject: Copyright
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Warren>> IF the submission states that it is: "Not for reproduction
without the permission of the copyright holder" or "NOT FOR
PUBLICATION", and may registered with the USPO as a work of
Art, lit. ect., it will not be published without permission.

MvdV> If that is the law of your country and you wish to adhere to
that you will have a serious problem obtaining contributions from
outside the USA jurisdiction. It conflicts with the laws in effect in
my country and many others.

MvdV> Sorry, to be so adamant about this, but I consider this a very
serious matter. Until further notice you are not to publish /any/ of
my texts in FidoNews Surely then it's simple.

Tony Frew> Don't SEND any text then it CAN'T be published! It seems
weird to me that you will send a message in a FidoNews Echo
(Publishing domain), then say that you don't want it published. You
have just published it yourself. You write into the VERY Echo where
Warren gets some of his material from. It's also where I get my copy
of the FidoNews magazine as I'm not connected to File echoes as such.
I can see that you wouldn't want *your* words changed and then
expressed as your opinion.

Tony Frew> Anyway. To make my point!!! As I understand it. FidoNet is
NOT a democracy. FidoNet has its own rules embodied in P4. EchoMail of
course has its own rules laid down by the Moderator of the echo
concerned.

Each State in the USA has its own rules or Law. Each Country has its
OWN rules of Law. As they say, "When in Rome do as the Romans do."

FidoNet to my way of thinking is an International Community. The rules
we go by here transcend various Country rules or State rules.

Think about it!!! If you don't want to abide by rules you have two
options... Change the rules or move. Changing the rules is difficult
but not impossible.

Moving is easy.

If you are reading this Warren you have my EXPLICIT permission to
publish this in its entirety in FidoNews.

Kind regards,
Tony Frew
Fido : 3:774/605.1 - Internet : [email protected]

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CORRECTIONS
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By: brenda donovan
To: all
Re: internet stuff
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hello all,

Last week NorthPoint Communications closed it's doors and proceeded to
dump all it's DSL circuits. Mine went down for good Wed afternoon. A
couple of my customers are in this loop also.

Fortunately, I had a backup circuit here at home. It's only 144K but
it's a Covad circuit. Unfortunately, I'd never got around to testing
it. The router and line were bad. Had Covad out here Thursday and
they replaced the router. They "fixed" line. Still didn't work. Covad
said it was a PacBell problem. PacBell come out yesterday afternoon
and did some magic at my MPOE and it's alive.

In the meantime, my ISP said to bring my servers over to his office so
we could get them back online. Friday morning, I moved 4 critical
machines over there. There aren't many ISP's who'd do that for their
customers. These guys are super!

That got my primary DNS server, my RADIUS server, my 2 FTP servers, my
main web site, some small web sites, 6 e-commerce web sites, and a few
other things back on the internet. I spent most of Thursday getting
the fidonet stuff onto one of those machines. I had to move 200 email
mailboxes from one server to another so my customers could get their
email. I didn't get alot of sleep but it was worth it. All 4 servers
came live just fine. My main mail server and web sites are on a T1 at
a colocation site, so the main disruption was to all the things here
at home.

Today I'll catch up on the file echos and allfix stuff. I concentrated
on the mail not the files. Bob Seaborn has about 95 megs of spooled
filebone files waiting for my word to send down here for processing. I
hope to get them out today sometime.

I have the fidonet processing all on a Windows 2000 server and I can
log in remotely with Terminal Services Client. There are still a
couple of small batch file things to fix... my previous fidonet
processing utilized my whole LAN here at home and I had things spread
out all over the place. There were a lot of paths to get changed in
config files <grin>. For the most part, it's all working again.

Let me know if there are any glitches.

take care...

-brenda <[email protected]>

Editor> Many, many thanks Brenda, for all of your hard work for us
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fido folks. I'm certain I speak for everyone. Fidonews would not get
out were it not for your personal endevor for it's existence at times.

Ol'wdb

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ARTICLES
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By: Warren Bonner
To: Janis Kracht
Re: Succesion rules for the editor
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In her neat sweet way, Janis replied to Michel Spinmaster:
[...]
MV> Having an independent newspaper is a good idea for the real world
where there is competition and where it is the reader who ultimately
decides what paper survives and what doesn't. In this case where there
is no competition, the cure may be worse than the disease.

JK> Well, fidonet is not a business... our participation in it is a
hobby.

MV> The present one does not have any.

JK> That's right.. There have been editors of Fidonews whose style I
didn't like.. That didn't mean they should have been replaced
just because _I_ didn't like the way they did things.

Take care,
Janis

Warren> Bravo! Would like to have requoted the whole entire message
for it's obvious diplomatic persuasion on your part. There are
"rednecks" in some parts of our country, and there are "roughnecks"
with a twist in some other countries.

You talk so nice and logical, I'll just keep quiet and watch... hehe

Ol'wdb

--- InterMail 2.29k
* Origin: Telnet://TheLastStop.osirusoft.com/ 1:103/401 (1:103/401)

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Area: FIDONEWS
Date: 30 Mar 01 18:21:46 Public
From: Tony Frew
To: Michiel van der Vlist
Subject: Copyright
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G'day Michiel,

24-Mar-01 10:59:03, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Warren Bonner
Subject: Copyright

Warren>> IF the submission states that it is: "Not for reproduction
without the permission of the copyright holder" and may registered
with the USPO as a work of Art, lit. ect., it will not be published.
FIDONEWS 18-14 Page 9 2 Apr 2001

MvdV> If that is the law of your country and you wish to adhere to
that you will have a serious problem obtaining contributions from
outside the USA jurisdiction. It conflicts with the laws in effect in
my country and many others.

MvdV> Sorry, to be so adamant about this, but I consider this a very
serious matter. Until further notice you are not to publish /any/ of
my texts in FidoNews Surely then it's simple.

Tony Frew> Don't SEND any text then it CAN'T be published! It seems
weird to me that you will send a message in a FidoNews Echo
(Publishing domain), then say that you don't want it published. You
have just published it yourself. You write into the VERY Echo where
Warren gets some of his material from. It's also where I get my copy
of the FidoNews magazine as I'm not connected to File echos as such.
I can see that you wouldn't want *your* words changed and then
expressed as your opinion.

Tony Frew> Anyway. To make my point!!! As I understand it. FidoNet is
NOT a democracy. FidoNet has its own rules embodied in P4. EchoMail of
course has its own rules laid down by the Moderator of the echo
concerned.

Each State in the USA has its own rules or Law. Each Country has its
OWN rules of Law. As they say, "When in Rome do as the Romans do."

FidoNet to my way of thinking is an International Community. The rules
we go by here transend various Country rules or State rules.

Think about it!!! If you don't want to abide by rules you have two
options... Change the rules or move. Changing the rules is difficult
but not impossible.

Moving is easy.

If you are reading this Warren you have my EXPLICIT permission to
publish this in its entirety in FidoNews.

WB> Thanks Tony, permission not necessary, as "Not for publication"
was not requested by you. Only your echo mail was quoted. 8^)

Kind regards,
Tony Frew
Fido : 3:774/605.1 - Internet : [email protected]

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Why so few Points in Zone 1?
Todd Sullivan <1:3613/1275.12>

The question was asked, and it's a valid one. The perspective
used here will be that of the average user, who doesn't know much.

It's been said by many I've corresponded with in Europe that
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points are more efficient and less costly due to their local telephone
costs. To me, that is the real reason why points have been more
widely used in that part of the world.

The reason pointing never took off in Zone 1 (North America) is
that the various phone companies - all various split-offs from Bell
Telephone - are publicly owned companies, plus the fact that local
calls have been historically cheaper than long-distance, and remain
so. Why? Distance. Another reason is that I, who live in Florida, can
call California with no problem. The distance is still "in country."
I'm sure crossing national borders might have something to do with
costs in Europe as well. Another reason would be the fact that
mass-pro- duction lowers the costs tremendously.

With local costs so low, points weren't seen as necessary. Every
one of a BBS' users would dial up and answer their messages on-line.
With the larger multiline systems that existed, there was little or no
delay getting online, except that the heaviest times of demand. There
were mail bundling programs such as QWK and Blue Wave, but no one
would use them when they could call, unless their time was limited. In
those days, one could spend hours, if one had the access level, and
many did, including myself.

Another reason was that BBSs weren't all about messages; there
were games, files and pictures available. Adding to that the local
(to the BBS) areas, no one really saw a need, especially with those
multiline/node systems that allowed true interactive messaging
locally. Furthermore, in those days the most advanced systems were
IBM's PC-AT and 2/386, Commodore's Amiga 2000, the Apple II, TRS-80s.
The Clones were just beginning to be seen on the market, and software
was just being written for them.

Point software at that time was just beginning, and the "big
thing" was running a BBS, as it was a prestigious thing to brag about
at the computer club, if you belonged to one.

Point software became more prevalent when the large phone bills
started coming in, and cron programs came out, as well as stand-alone
mailers, which - up until then - only sysops and Fido Admins needed.
Furthermore, running a BBS was becoming difficult; not everyone had
the resources for the "long haul." When messages (mail) became more
important, many BBS operatorsbecame Mail Only systemss, and
resultantly lost users. People who were still wanting to send and
receive mail still used their dial-up access or mail bundlers, but
began using point software.

The real reason(s) seem to have been the perceived lack of a need
for points, and the lateness of starting. When something is cheap,
and works, one doesn't see why it needs fixing or improvement.
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Todd Sullivan Moderator, WUNDERMENT, AMY_TECH, AMIGASALE

... Choose heaven for climate, hell for society.

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FRANK'S COLUMN
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Thoughts on the Internet versus Fidonet
By Frank Vest

I'm not a guru of the Internet or of Fidonet, but I've read some of
the discussion regarding the subject of Fidonet vs Internet. Here's
some random thinking from me. Agree, disagree or whatever. :)

Got to thinking, "Where is the power in the Internet"? Really... What
gives the Internet it's power. Is it the graphics that it can produce?
I don't really think so. Any server program with the right receiving
program can "display" graphics. I say "display" because the receiving
program is really what does the translation and display. All the
server, or sender, does is send the files. The "browser" does all the
work of translating those files into something readable. In reality,
the Internet doesn't do anything more than Fidonet does in regards to
transmitting files. In fact, if you consider that ANSI is sent "on the
fly" and translated by the terminal program without using a "cache" of
file(s), Fidonet is above the Internet in this regard.

Let's look at the above from a different point of view.

What makes the Internet work? Well, there's the server which is a
computer with files on it. There's the "dial-up networking" which is a
terminal program for connecting to the server. There's the browser
which gathers the files from the server and translates them into
something readable. So;

Server = Fidonet software (not the BBS stuff, just the mailer/tosser
and such) Dial-up networking = Terminal program Browser = BBS software
(if you're only in for mail, Point software)

So, the Internet has taken the BBS software and made it available to
the User in a form that is easy to setup and called it a browser. They
kept the "complicated" server stuff for themselves to sell access to,
and, the operating system people (Microsoft, OS/2 and such) put a
terminal program into their OS and called it "dial-up networking".
Wow!. :-)

So, How about the speed? Really? Have you ever hit a slow server?
Sometimes, depending on the load, an Internet site can be slower than
a BBS at 1200 baud. :)

Well, How about the volume? Now we're getting somewhere. The Internet
does have a big volume of stuff. I say "Stuff", because I'm not sure
I'd call all of the things on the Internet "information". Some things
are a little "far fetched" in my book. :) Anyway.... Volume. In
reality, there is probably as much volume in Fidonet as is in the
Internet. Maybe it isn't there nowadays, but in the "heyday" of
Fidonet, when there were some 30,000 Nodes, I'd think that the volume
was pretty close.

What about the profit/commercial aspects of the Internet? Well...
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you're getting hotter. True, if Fidonet was a commercial venture, it
would probably be bigger and more advanced. There would be software
authors willing to invest time in the creation of applications for
Fidonet and more. Of course, Fidonet is a hobby and limited to what a
hobby can put into it, so, lets move on, but keep in mind that before
the Internet became the big commercial venture it is today, Fidonet
was doing commercial stuff and had many "mega" BBS systems that were
commercial in nature.

How about the access and connectivity? Bingo!! Now we have it.
Access and connectivity! Yup, the Internet has the access and
connectivity that Fidonet doesn't.... along with the commercial
aspect.

Let's think on this a minute.

Fidonet is a collection of Nodes/Nets connected via phone numbers
that must be dialed each time to connect. The Internet is a collection
of Nodes/Nets that are connected on a 24 hours a day, 7 days a week
phone network that doesn't have to be dialed each time to connect. So,
what does this mean? Simply put, if Fidonet could connect each Node to
each other Node via a 24/7 phone line, Fidonet could have the
connectivity of the Internet.

In a weird thought, "What would happen if the Internet suddenly lost
all of it's 24/7 phone lines and had to dial each system for a connect
and then hang up after"? Wow! We have Fidonet by another name! :)
Really, isn't that the major difference between Fidonet and the
Internet? If you remove the 24/7 connection and each ISP had to call
the other ISPs to connect for file transfers and such, wouldn't this
be the same as each Node in Fidonet having to call the other Node(s)
to deliver mail?

Now, this is not going anywhere in particular. I am just making
observations for the sake of thought. If you were to have the Users of
the Internet call their ISP and have to request the "web Page" files
of a desired site, or just access what was on that ISP's server, then
disconnect and keep checking back to see if the files for that page
had been received, wouldn't that be something??? :) The Internet
becomes Fidonet and we could beat the pants off of them!! :-))

I wonder how the commercial aspect of the Internet would handle such
competition? :-))

In summing this up: The main difference between Fidonet and the
Internet is the commercial and connectivity aspect versus the hobby
and connectivity aspect. You can put all the "ifs", "ands" and/or
"buts" in that you want, it still comes down to commercial versus
hobby. Let's keep the hobby and let the Internet have the commercial.
I'll enjoy the hobby, try to improve and help it where I can, use the
Internet to promote or help where possible and suggest that you do the
same.

With kind regards,

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Frank

http://texoma.net/~flv http://bise.tzo.com/r19

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Fidonet's "Default Web Page" :/
By: Frank Vest

One person or group gets the feeling that another group is doing
something that shouldn't be done. A discussion starts and escalates
into a full battle. As the battle rages, someone makes a suggestion
that would end the whole battle and make all sides happy. Problem is,
the person with the suggestion isn't in a position to do anything and
the people that are in a position to do something are too busy with
the battle to look at the suggestion. Or, maybe they just look at it
and

1.) can't be bothered at the time
2.) don't want to take time to really think about it
3.) just want to keep the battle going because they like to fight
4.) all of the above. :-(

Ok, those of you that fit the above may feel free to keep on
fighting. The rest of you that want to move forward, follow this:

Where is "fidonet.org"?

It is on the Internet, of course! That was a dumb question, right??

Not really. If one does a search on the Internet for the word
"Fidonet", one will probably find at least one link to the URL of
fidonet.org. Many URLs for Fidonet have a link to this site. So,
what's the problem you ask? Honestly, the site is out of date and very
sparse in it's offerings.

What can be done? Good question. I wish I had the answer for it. As
the "Web-Idiot" for Region 19, I've done some playing with ideas for
an update, but without some movement from the "key players", it's
kinda hard to go anywhere.

Now, don't get me wrong here. I am _NOT_ trying to take over the site.
I am _NOT_ trying to become someone special by offering to update the
site. I have _NO_ agenda other than the promotion and betterment of
Fidonet. I don't care who updates the site, it just needs to be done.

How can you help? I don't really know the answer to that one either.
I can suggest that you contact the IC and/or your ZC, RC, NC about
this and suggest something. I have heard that the owner of the domain
will listen to the IC and/or ZCs on this.

As for me? I'm writing this article, am I not? :) Seriously, I hope
that this will get some small attention by some that want to help
instead of argue or discuss things to death.

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Think about it... then do something.

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TRUE STORIES
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Dear Mom and Dad: It has been six months since I left for college.

I'm sorry I haven't written more often and I'm very sorry for my
unthoughtfulness. I'm sure you have been worried about me. Let me
bring you up to date, but before you read on, please sit down Ok?
Don't read any further unless you're sitting down. Ok? Good!

I am getting along pretty well now. The skull fracture and the
concussion I got from jumping out of the window of my dormitory when
it caught on fire several months ago, are pretty much healed now. I
only spent two weeks in the hospital! Mom always said the girls in
our family heal fast. In fact, I can almost see normally again and I
only get headaches three times a day now.

Fortunately, the fire in the dormitory and my jump were witnessed a
gas station attendant who immediately called 911. He's so sweet. He
even visited me in the hospital, and since I had nowhere to live
because of the burnt-out dorm, he was kind enough to invite me to
share his apartment with him.

It's really a basement room, but it's kind of cute. He really is a
good person with a kind heart. We have fallen deeply in love and are
planning to get married. We haven't set the exact date yet, but I'm
sure that it will be before I start to show. That's right, Mom and
Dad, I'm pregnant!

I know how much you are looking forward to being grandparents, and I
know that you will give that baby the same love, devotion and tender
care you gave me when I was growing up. We would get married now but
we both failed out premarital blood tests because of some minor
infection. He told me about before hand, but dumb me, I carelessly
caught it anyway. Not to worry though the doctor said my daily
penicillin injections should clear it up by next month.

I know you will welcome him into our family with open arms. He is
kind,and although not well educated, he is ambitious -- just like Dad!

Also, he is of a different race and religion than ours, but I know,
after all your years of teaching me tolerance, that you won't mind the
fact that he is somewhat darker than we are. I'm sure you will love
him as I do. His family background is good too! I am told that his
father is an important gun bearer in his native African village.
That's an important government position where he comes from. Well, I
guess that's all! Now you know why I wanted you to sit down when you
read this letter.

Now that I've brought you up to date, I just wanted to let you know --
there was no dormitory fire, I didn't suffer a concussion or a skull
fracture,I wasn't in the hospital, I'm not pregnant, I'm not engaged,
I don't have syphilis and there is no boyfriend of another race or
religion in my life; however, I DID vote for Gov. Bush, and I just
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wanted you both to see this in its proper perspective.

Your loving daughter,
Chelsea

P.S. Stanford is great... I love it, though I miss you both
terribly..and socks, too!

P.S.S. Dad, please give my best to Monica and the others.

~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~

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=================================================================
RECIPES
=================================================================

by Joan Macdiarmid
Interesting article from Cooking echo, on Grapes DNA.

Hi, folks!

I found an interesting article on wine stuff in a trade journal
(Chemical & Engineering New, March 19, 2001) and thought some here
would find it interesting, so transcribed it with just a few edits...

Though wine-making is an ancient art, modern science unquestionably
has impressed itself on the field, from the control of fermentation to
understanding flavor. In recent years, for example, analytical
chemists have isolated sulfur compounds that impart crucial nuances to
wine, including hints of grapefruit, coffee, or flavors like lava.

But perhaps no segment of high technology has dovetailed so perfectly
with the culture of wine as has genetics. Just as modern genetic
analysis helps determine the true parentage of a human child, it also
can determine what grapes produced some of the world's most noble
varieties.

In just the past few years, Carole Meredith, genetics Professor in the
department of viticulture and enology at UC/Davis, has unraveled
mysteries about wine grape origins that have perplaxed oenophiles for
centuries. Her work is of more than intellectual interest: It has
provided valuable historical insights and has the potential to
significantly affect the status of different wines and, therefore,
their commerce.

Grapes are uncommonly well suited to genetic analysis, Meredith
explained, because they're propagated vegetatively - that is, they are
not grown from seeds, but are reproduced via cuttings or from buds.
Thus, all domesticated grapes are clones, some stemming from an
original vine hundreds, or even thousands, of years ago. And so it
becomes possible to pinpoint with great accuracy how grape varieties
are related to each other. "If grapes were seed- propagated plants,
then we wouldn't have in front of us the genotype that existed
centuries ago" Meredith said.

This is extremely significant in an industry where pedigree really
counts. The parents of other vegetatively propagated crops such as
olives, dates, or figs could probably be analyzed in a similar
fashion, but their heritage is not nearly as vital, Meredith said.
"There's nothing like grapes in terms of having varieties whose
identities are really economically important."

Like all domestic crops, wine grapevines were originally wild plants.
Early farmers gradually learned to propagate them, likely by simply
putting sticks in the ground. In nature, of course, grape vines do
cross-pollinate, producing unique offspring each time. And it's to be
expected that occasionally a domesticated grape would cross with a
wild grape or that two domesticated grapes might cross. Grape breeders
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didn't learn how to perform controlled crosses until the mid-1800s.

A number of years ago, Meredith and her then-graduate student John E.
Bowers began assembling DNA profiles of major wine grapes to determine
in the grapes imported to California in the 1800s correctly retained
the names of the European varieties they stemmed from. The team then
realized the data could also lend insight into grape variety
relationships.

The genetic analysis of grapes is performed exactly as it is with
humans. Meredith and her colleagues compare so-called simple sequence
repeat (SSR) DNA markers, which are regions of a genome that consist
of a repeating series of two or three DNA bases, flanked by unique
sequences. The repeating sequences, which vary in number from variety
to variety, are known as alleles. Since a grape receives a set of
alleles from each parent, the parental identities can be determined by
looking at shared alleles.

They first turned to that venerable red wine grape, Cabernet
Sauvignon, whose origin had invited considerable speculation over the
years. It had been suggested that, because the word "sauvignon" stems
from an old French word meaning "wild", perhaps Cabernet Sauvignon was
an original wild vine. Or perhaps ancient Romans had brought the vine
from Albania. Or perhaps it came from Spain. As it turned out, none of
those possibilities was correct. After analyzing the alleles of 45 SSR
markers in grape DNA, Meredith and Bowers rocked the oenophilic world
in 1997 by reporting that Cabernet Sauvignon was actually the
offspring of two well-known grapes, Sauvignon Blanc and Cabernet
Franc. It was the first unambiguous identification of the origin of a
classic wine grape.

People had suspected that Cabernet Franc and Cabernet Sauvignon were
related because the two have a similar appearance. "But the feeling
was Cabernet Franc was derived from Cabernet Sauvignon in some way,
not the other way around," Meredith said.

And the obvious coincidence in the names of the parents with that of
their child is just that - a coincidence, Meredith said. Because of
their physical similarities, it s nor surprising that Cabernet Franc
and Cabernet Sauvignon might share a name. And the "sauvignon,"
meaning wild, doesn t imply any particular relationship.

The first mention of Cabernet Sauvignon turns up in the late 1600s in
Bordeaux, France, so that's likely when and where it first originated.

After the Cabernet sensation, Meredith and her group moved on to other
major grape varieties. Their next project: Petite Sirah, a California
variety with a murky background. Though it must have come from Europe
at some point, the name has been used there for several different
grape varieties. Europe is home to the well-known Sirah grape, but
whether Petite Sirah was related or not could only be speculated upon.

It had been postulated that Petite Sirah might actually be the
little-known French variety Durif, or possibly Peloursin, also from
France. So Meredith's group collected samples from California
vineyards and French stock, and found - lo and behold - that almost
FIDONEWS 18-14 Page 20 2 Apr 2001

all of California s Petite Sirah is, in fact, Durif.

And in addition, the group found that the parents of Durif were none
other than Peloursin and the true Sirah. The lineage is particularly
important because Petite Sirah has sometimes been denigrated as
unworthy of noble status. The now-known fact that Sirah is its father
may imbue Petite Sirah with a little more status, Meredith said.

With burgeoning databases, the group decided to do full-scale
"prospecting for parents." They obtained 300 samples, including some
from vines that are rare and are no longer grown, from the French
National Variety Collection managed by Jean-Michel Boursiquot, a
viticulture scientist with U.F.R. Ecole Nationale Superieure
Agronomique in Montpellier, France.

In this big sweep, they found parents for 26 grape varieties. Not only
that, but 16 of those varieties, which included Gamay Noir and the
ubiquitous Chardonnay, have the same parents - that is, they were
produced by different cross-pollinations between the same two
varieties.

The parents are the much-admired Pinot Noir and, even more
interestingly, an almost unheard of and once quite lowly variety known
as Gouais Blanc. Centuries ago, while the ruling class grew premium
grape varieties on choice land, serfs grew Gouais on the flatland
dregs afforded to them. Considered a "despicable, ordinary grape,"
Gouais was named for an old French term of derision. The local rulers
even banned it - twice.

Gouais is not originally from France. Rather it is an Eastern European
grape, possibly brought to France by Emperor Probus in the 3rd century
A.D., from what is now Croatia.

Currently, Meredith and colleagues are trying to determine the origins
of Zinfandel, another variety popular in California. One possibility,
proposed about 30 years ago, is that Zinfandel is from Italy, since an
Italian variety known as Primativo looks and tastes just like
Zinfandel. DNA tests showed that the two are indeed one and the same,
but because Italian historical records mark the sudden, recent arrival
of Primativo in the late 1700s or so, Zinfandel must have come from
somewhere else, Meredith said.

A clue can be found in Italy's geography: Across the Adriatic Sea from
the southern heel of the country lies the Dalmatian coast. There, an
important grape variety known as Plavac Mali bears strong similarities
to Zinfandel. As it turns out, Zinfandel is not Plavac Mali, but it is
a close relative - perhaps Plavac Mali's parent.

So far, the group hasn't found Zinfandel itself in Croatia, but they
have found so many of its genetic cousins and sisters that they
believe that's where the grape originated. "It may not still exist
there, because grape varieties get lost for many different reasons,"
Meredith said. "But when you find all the relatives there, it's hard
to avoid concluding that it also came from there."

Joan MacDiarmid in Amherst, NY P.S. There was another interesting bit
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on cheese chemistry I hope to get up to posting soon, too!

... "If we KNEW what we were doing, it wouldn't be RESEARCH!"
* Origin: =-DING!-= Dinner's Ready! (1:142/736)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
By: DAVE DRUM
---------------------------------------------------------------------
MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v7.04

Title: Bannock
Categories: Canadian, Breads
Servings: 6

1 c Whole wheat flour
1/2 c All purpose flour
1/2 c Rolled oats
2 tb Sugar, granulated
2 ts Baking powder
1/2 ts -Salt
2 tb Butter, melted
1/3 c Raisins; optional
3/4 c -Water; approx,

"Bannock, a simple type of scone was cooked in pioneer days over open
fires. Variations in flours and the additional of dried or fresh fruit
make this bread the simple choice of Canadian campers even today. Oven
baking has become an acceptable alternative to the cast iron frypan.
McKelvie's restaurant in Halifax serves an oatmeal version similar to
this one. For plain bannock, omit rolled oats and increase the all
purpose flour to 1 cup....

One of the earliest quick breads, bannock was as simple as flour,
salt, a bit of fat (often bacon grease) and water. In gold rush days,
dough was mixed right in the prospector's flour bag and cooked in a
frypan over an open fire.

Indians wrapped a similar dough around sticks driven into the ground
beside their camp fire, baking it along with freshly caught fish.
Today's native _Fried Bread_ is like bannock and cooked in a skillet.

Newfoundlander's _Damper Dogs_ are small rounds of dough cooked on the
stove's dampers while _Toutons_ are similar bits of dough deep fried.
At a promotional luncheon for the 1992 Inuit Circumpolar Conference,
Eskimo Doughnuts, deep fried rings of bannock dough, were served. It
is said that Inuit children prefer these "doughnuts" to sweet cookies.

Red River settlers from Scotland made a frugal bannock with lots of
flour, little sugar and drippings or lard. Now this same bread plays a
prominent part in Winnipeg's own Folklorama Festival. At Expo '86 in
Vancouver, buffalo on bannock buns was a popular item at the North
West Territories ' restaurant. In many regions of Canada, whole wheat
flour or wheat germ replaces part of the flour and cranberries or
blueberries are sometimes added. A Saskatchewan firm markets a bannock
mix, and recipe books from coast to coast upgrade bannock with butter,
oatmeal, raisins, cornmeal and dried fruit."
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Stir together flours, oats, sugar, baking powder and salt. Add melted
butter, raisins (if using) and water, adding more water if needed to
make sticky dough. With floured hands, pat into greased pie plate.
Bake in 400F oven for 20 to 25 minutes or until browned and tester
comes out clean. Cut into wedges. SERVES:6

VARIATIONS: In place of raisins add chopped dried apricots or fresh
berries.(Blueberries are terrific if one is camping in northern
Ontario in August.)

SOURCE: "The First Decade" chapter in _A Century of Canadian Home
Cooking_

MMMMM
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FIDONEWS 18-14 Page 23 2 Apr 2001

=================================================================
TECHNOTES
=================================================================

by: Carol Shenkenberger
10 February 2001
Revised 27 March 2001

FAQ on IP Connectivity Nodelistings
Reference: FTS-5001.001 and FTS-5000.001

Written with assistance from David Hallford,
FTSC Nodelist working group member

Let me first smile and say I'm not re-writing the Fidonet
Technical Standards, but merely trying to assist with
questions I've seen on implementation of them. Sometimes,
they just aren't as understandable as the Fidonet Technical
Standards Committee intended.

Lets start with the basics. The nodelist has a specific
format. You can't vary off that in some aspects or it will
fail to process. That can cause a node, hub segment, net
segment, region, or even a whole Zone to fail to process
depending on where it fails. YIKES!! Lets not go there ok?

The first field of interest for a sysop with IP
connectivity, is the 3rd one where the BBSname is
traditionally entered. For an IP node, this is the 'system
address' space. You list it but once here in the preferred
mode if at all possible. You can also list the IP address
or an email address if that's preferred.

The problem for most NC's is that it's never really 'clear'
how the samples and flags work in conjunction. Thats
probably because there are many variations.

Below is a sample for BINKP/TELNET/FTP type entries.

Sample:

,100,ftp.cshenk.com,Virgina_Beach_VA,Carol_Shenkenberger,
(etc).

In that case, ftp.cshenk.com is a 'DNS lookup' address
for the IP number.

If the site has a POTS line as well, list it as normal. If
they do not, use -Unpublished- for the phone field, mark
them PVT, and enter 300 for the baud rate. Among the flags,
enter those which are applicable, omitting those that do not
apply.

Sample:

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(ION)
,300,CM,IBN,ITN,IFT
(With POTS and IP)
,28800,CM,XA,V32B,V42B,VFC,IBN,ITN,IFT

While I dont see anyone using it, I could also just plug in
the IP address there if it was STATIC.

Sample:

,100,24.0.0.1,Virginia_Beach_VA,Carol_Shenkenberger, (etc)

Although controversial at this time, a static IP address can
also be put in the phone number field by replacing the "."
with a "-" and prefacing it with 000.

Sample:

,100,Shenk's_Express,Virginia_Beach_VA,
Carol_Shenkenberger,000-127-0-0-1,300,

The other flags would be the same. Note, do NOT use this if
the IP address isnt static! Even the 'gee seldom changes'
folks should use the DNS version.

If I used just email attachments, I'd enter my email
address instead.

Sample:

,100,[email protected],Virginia_Beach_VA,Carol_Shenkenberger,
(etc).

Then add the email version IP flags which fit my setup.

Sample:

(ION)
,300,CM,ITX,IUC,IMI
(With POTS and IP)
,28800,CM,XA,V32B,V42B,VFC,ITX,IUC,IMI

Now lets say you do both methods. FTP or variation, and
email attachment type and want to list both. It can be done.
Be careful on field length as each flag must be 32
characters max including the flag! The total line must be
157 characters or less.

Sample:

,100,ftp.cshenk.com,Virginia_Beach_VA,Carol_Shenkenberger,
1-757-486-3064,28800,CM,XA,V32B,V42B,IFT,ITX:[email protected]

Note that on the IFT portion I did not need to relist the
address. If 'ftp.cshenk.com' resolved to an IP address
also capable of BINKP, I would add IBN. If it also
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connected to TELNET, I'd add ITN. Only ITX (email
attachment TransX) required additional information be
listed.

I hope this helps pull things together for people!
xxcarol
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

29 March 2001
Draft1

How NOT to list an ION
Otherwise
known as:

How to SERIOUSLY MESS UP A SEGMENT

This is the first in a training series for the prospective RC13 who
will as of this writing, be known in 2 days or after a runoff. One
thing every good RC does, is assist NC's. Sometimes that means
assisting them with nodelisting skills.

It's especially common to need some help when it's an ION who needs
listing, if it's the NC's first. Suprisingly (evil grin) ION's dont
have a better idea about how to list themselves than the NC does,
commonly enough. That means the NC cant just 'take their word for it'
but needs to check some things.

Check 1: If they gave you data for the phone field-

a. Was it -UnPublished- ? Good if they have no static IP
(Special note: Cant be /0 or HUB keyworded)

b. If an 'IP' was it starting with 000- ? (NOT 1-000- but
000- !!!!)

c. Did it have an email address in the phone field? Take
that out if so. It wont process.

Check 2: If they use email for passing echomail traffic-

a. Did they list it in the 'bbsnamefield' where it belongs
or attached to one of the flags for email-attachment methods?

b. If they listed it in the 'sysopnamefield' are they aware
no software looks for it there and that a prospective contact person
looking for 'Joe Smith' from a post will never figure out from a front
end mailer (FrontDoor, ARGUS, etc) the address for 'Joe Smith' if the
sysop name field has '[email protected]' as it's entry?

Check 3: If they use FTP/TELNET/BINKP etc for passing traffic-

a. Did they put the DNS lookup name for their site in the
bbsname area or attached to one of the flags pertinent for that?

b. If they use both email-attachment methods and an FTP/etc
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type of method, did they list at least one of them in the
'bbsnamefield' (or if static IP involved, in phone and bbsnamefield
for email address)?

Check 4: Did they remember to remove the flags for modem types-

a. ION's in Z1 are 300 baud

b. ION's have no modem flags such as V32,VFC etc. They do
apply to this situation as no one is dialing you POTS, _even if you
are dialing your ISP via a POTS line_.

Check 5: Does it fit the specs-

a. I'm calling this a draft as I do not know all the specs.
one I know is several fields and all 'user flags' are limited to 32
characters max including the keyword and possible :

b. Is the total less than or equal to, what makenl can
handle? This is uncertain to me but seems to be 168 or so total. Ward
Dossche is the only one I know of who ran into an otherwise compliant
listing, that hit this marker.

Special Note: There is no 'standard' for what we do, in Z1, when
faced with the ION NC or HUB.

a. In R13, internal net routing is used for the HUB
situation (allowing them to do the same thing but no HUB keyword is
applied nor will a mailer default route to them).

b. ION NC's are a serious problem under P4 due to
requirement to route inbound netmail traffic and software that will
default to the NC if the node under them is 'PVT' and that a
new/returning node with POTS only cant reach them.

xxcarol

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

By: Jasen Betts
To: Ian Moote
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Ian.

23-Mar-01 12:39:00, Ian Moote wrote to JANIS KRACHT

IM> And here's the example: Here a question has popped up about adding
a modem to an ADSL line. I don't know much about ADSL, but I wouldn't
want to see someone get an ADSL hook-up with the intention of adding
the analogue modem and then finding that it doesn't work; or worse --
that it does damage to something! So even though I know little about
it, I pipe-up to tell the person that I don't believe that it's
FIDONEWS 18-14 Page 27 2 Apr 2001

possible. This way the person is made aware of a potential problem
which he can then investigate for himself.

IM> Jason Betts is a very knowledgable dude. He's seldom wrong or
inaccurate and I respect the information he posts. He says that I'm
wrong and that the voice side of ADSL is analogue. I didn't care
enough about the topic to look it up for myself, and he is an accurate
source of information, so I quite readily accept that from him on its
face.

IM> Janis Kracht is also a very knowledgable young lady and, even
though I don't know her very well, I also tend to respect the
information which she posts. Although she hasn't said it outright, by
stating that a converter is required to use POTS devices on an ADSL
line she is intimating that the voice side of ADSL is not analogue.

IM> So, not criticising either participant, both of whom I respect,
here I have diametrically conflicting information on a relatively
straightforward question. [:)

JB> no you haven't... Janis tells you there's a "converter", I say
that the voice is analogue. it's possible we're both right :)

JB> I think the "converter" may be a low pass filter...

JB> Here's what Craig Ford says in the COMM echo,

CF> ADSL (Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line) a modem technology that
converts existing twisted-pair telephone lines into access paths for
paths for multimedia and high speed data communications.

CF> ADSL transmits more than 6Mbps to a subscriber, and as much as 640
kbps more in both directions. An ADSL circuit connects an ADSL modem
on each end of a twisted-pair phone line, creating three information
channels; a high speed downstream channel, a medium speed duplex
channel, and a POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) channel. The POTS
channel is split off from the digital modem by filters, thus
guaranteeing uninterrupted POTS, even if ADSL fails. The high speed
channel ranges from 1.5 to 6.1 Mbps, while duplex rates range from 16
to 640 kbps. Each channel can be sub-multiplexed to form multiple,
lower rate channels.

-=> Bye <=-

--- * Origin: C is for Cookie (3:640/531.42)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

By: Andy Brown
To: All
Re: ERN chart
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello All.

Any corrections or additions to the chart??
FIDONEWS 18-14 Page 28 2 Apr 2001

=== Begin routelst.r10 ===
; R10 routing list
; Update for 3/25/2001
; Entries marked with * are changed since last update
; Default routing is via 1:10/3
;
1:10/* <-- 1:10/3
1:102 <-- 1:102/125 <-- 1:10/3
* 1:103 <-- 1:103/301 <--1:10/3
1:103 <-- 1:103/301 <--1:140/1
* 1:103 <-- 1:103/301 <--1:18/500
1:143 <-- 1:396/1
1:161 <-- 1:161/84 <-- 1:10/3
1:202 <-- 1:202/5 <-- 1:10/3
* 1:203 1:203/127 1:10/3
1:205 <-- 1:102/125 <-- 1:10/3
1:208 <-- 1:208/402 <-- 1:202/701 <-- 1:10/3
1:209 <-- 1:209/7211 <-- 1:10/345
1:211 <-- 1:211/400 <-- 1:10/3
1:213 <-- 1:10/3
1:214 <-- 1:214/1 <-- 1:10/4
1:218 <-- 1:218/907 <-- 1:10/3
1:218 <-- 1:218/903 <-- 1:10/3
1:219 <-- 1:219/0 <-- 1:211/400 <-- 1:10/3
1:345 <-- 1:345/0 <-- 1:10/345 <-- 1:18/500
---

=== End routelst.r10 ===

Andy

--- MyTosser 1.20/Pro
* Origin: Region 10 EchoMail Coordinator
<email [email protected]> (1:10/1)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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=================================================================
POET'S CORNER
=================================================================

Submitted by Pauk Williams

MOODS OF A WOMAN

An angel of truth and a dream of fiction
A woman is a bundle of contradiction
She's afraid of a wasp, will scream at a mouse
But will tackle her boyfriend alone in the house

She'll take him for better, she'll take him for worse
She'll break open his head and then be his nurse
But when he's well and can get out of bed
She'll pick up the teapot and aim for his head

Beautiful and keenly sighted, yet blind
Crafty and cruel, yet simple and kind
She'll call him a king, then make him a clown
Raise him on a pedestal, then knock him flat down

She'll inspire him to deeds that ennoble man
Or make him her lackey to carry her fan
She'll run away from him and never come back
But if he runs away, then she'll be on his tracks

Sour as vinegar, sweet as a rose
She'll kiss you one minute, then turn up her nose
She'll win you in range, enchant you in silk
She'll be stronger than brandy, milder than milk
At times she'll be vengeful, merry and sad
She'll hate you like poison, and love you like mad

MOODS OF A MAN:

Gratification.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: "R. B. Crowninshield" <[email protected]>

THE RETIREE PRAYER

Grant me the serenity to forget the people
I never liked anyway,

The good fortune to remember the ones
that I do,

And the eyesight to tell the difference.

Amen

FIDONEWS 18-14 Page 30 2 Apr 2001

Robert B. Crowninshield USAF(Ret.) & USPS(Ret.)

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FIDONEWS 18-14 Page 31 2 Apr 2001

=================================================================
HUMOR
=================================================================

OLE, SWEN AND THE GENIE

Ole and Sven were fishing one day when Sven pulled
out a cigar. Finding he had no matches, he asked Ole
for a light.

"Ya, shure, I tink I haff a lighter," he replied.
He reached into his tackle box and pulled out a BIC
lighter 10 inches long!

"Yiminy Cricket!" exclaimed Sven, "vhere did yew
get dat monster??"

"Vell," replied Ole, "I got it from my Genie."

"You haff a genie?" Sven asked.

"Ya, shure, right here in my tackle box," says Ole.

"Could I see him?" says Sven. So Ole opens his
tackle box and sure enough, out pops the genie.

Sven says, addressing the genie, "Hey dere! I'm a
good friend of your maser. Vill you grant me vun
vish?"

"Yes, I will", says the genie.

So Sven asks the genie for a million bucks. The
genie disappears back into the tackle box leaving Sven
sitting there, waiting for his million bucks.

Shortly, the sky darkens and is filled with the sound
of amillion ducks flying overhead.

Sven yells at Ole, "I asked for a million BUCKS,
not DUCKS!"

Ole answers, "Ya, I forgot to tell yew, da genie is
hard of hearing. Do yew really tink I asked for a
10-inch BIC?"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Confucius Say:

1. Virginity like bubble, one prick - all gone.

2. Man who run in front of car get tired.

3. Man who run behind car get exhausted.
FIDONEWS 18-14 Page 32 2 Apr 2001

4. Man with hand in pocket feel cocky all day.

5. Foolish man give wife grand piano, wise man give wife upright
organ.

6. Man who walk through airport turnstile sideways, going to Bangkok.

7. Man with one chopstick go hungry.

8. Man who scratch ass should not bite fingernails.

9. Man who eat many prunes get good run for money.

10. Baseball is wrong; man with four ball can not walk.

11. Panties not best thing on earth, but next to best thing on earth.

12. War does not determine who is right, war determine who is left.

13. Wife who put husband in doghouse soon find him in cat house.

14. Man who fight with wife all day get no piece at night.

15. It take many nails to build crib, only one screw to fill it.

16. Man who drive like hell bound to get there.

17. Man who stand on toilet is high on pot.

18. Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement.

19. Man who fish in other men's well often catch crabs.

20. Crowded elevator smell different to midget.

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By: Ward Dossche, Many Glacier (2:292/854)
To: Warren Bonner, Interim Fidonews Editor (1/23)
Re: New flag proposal
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* Forwarded from 2:292/854, many-glacier.mine.nu in Mortsel B
* Originally to All in the IC echo.

Proposal for new flag: PING
======================

Sometimes it becomes difficult to get one's mail delivered by normal
routing.

Routing-schemes follow strange paths or in certain cases may be
missing completely resulting in undelivered and/or lost mail.

To enable suspicious senders to check the routing their mails take the
"PING"- flag is hereby proposed.

Usage:

"PING" without any arguments

Meaning:

Nodes flying this flag will adhere to the following
functionality:

1) PING-function: """"""""""""""""" If a message destined to
"PING" arrives at its final destination and this final destination
flies the "PING"-flag, then the receiving node will bounce the message
back to the original sender clearly displaying all the original
via-lines.

If a message destined to "PING" arrives at its final
destination but this final destination does _not_ fly the "PING"-flag
then the message may be deleted from the inbound-queue without further
follow-up.

2) TRACE-function: """""""""""""""""" If a message destined to
"PING" arrives at a node which flies the PING-flag but is merely
passing-through to another destination then the in-transit node will
notify the sender of this occurence and will forward the original mail
unaltered towards its final destination.

This can easily be achieved with OT by putting the following lines in
the READR.OT-file:

************************* QUOTE *************************
(1)ByName/Name="ping" /NewName="Ping" ByName /Name="PING"
/NewName="Ping"

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(2) Bouncebytext /Textline=" " /IfDest=2:292/854 /IfDestName="Ping"

(3) .../Template=ping.tem ByName /Name="Ping" /NewName="Ping"
/Notify=trace.tem

(4) ************************ UNQUOTE************************

(1) = Normalising the name "Ping" (case conversion)
(2) = Normalising the name "Ping" (case conversion)
(3) = Bounce the mail to sender if addressed to "Ping" at "2:292/854"
(4) = Notify the sender his mail passed-through at 2:292/854 but was
sent-on (trace-function)

Sincerely,

\x/@rd Dossche
IC & ZC/2

* Forwarded by Ward Dossche on 2:292/854, many-glacier.mine.nu in
Mortsel B

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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
time between when the message is received, and when it is
sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

v-email flag [email protected]
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| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
220/10 | [email protected] |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS | 33.6k | n/c
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3407/4 @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k |N/C
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
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382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

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Zone 4
801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c

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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* NFS = Linux Networking
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obtaining a feed. Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
most especially, email addressed to [email protected]
will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam
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