F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 13 26 Mar 2001

F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 13 26 Mar 2001
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Table of Contents
1. HEADLINE ................................................. 1
=+= Header =+= ........................................... 1
2. CHAT WITH THE EDITOR ..................................... 2
<+< Chat With Editor >+> ................................. 2
3. THOUGHTS ................................................. 4
//+\ THOUGHTS & DREAMS /+\\ .............................. 4
4. LETTERS .................................................. 5
5. ARTICLES ................................................. 9
-+=+ POSSIBILITY? +=+- ................................... 9
6. FRANK'S COLUMN ........................................... 10
=== FRANK'S COLUMN === ................................... 10
7. CHATTER .................................................. 12
8. RECIPES .................................................. 13
-=+ Special French Onion +=- ............................. 13
9. POET'S CORNER ............................................ 15
<<< POETRY KORNER >>> .................................... 15
10. HUMOR ................................................... 17
//+\ LAUGHS A PLENTY /+\\ ................................ 17
11. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ....................... 19
-+-+-+ Ads of some Question +-+-+- ....................... 19
12. ANSWERS OF THE WEEK ..................................... 20
-=+ PHONE Q & A +=- ...................................... 20
13. NOTICES ................................................. 21
14. FIDONET BY INTERNET ..................................... 24
15. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 29
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HEADLINE
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***From the IC/Z2C:****QUOTE Netmail 3-23-01*********************
Please Note
Colleagues,

R35's segment in zone-2 (Bulgaria) hasn't been updated for 3 years
now.

As I'm cleaning-out the nodelist I'd like to find out if anyone
anywhere has a working link into R35 here which would prompt me to
another solution than removing the whole region from the nodelist.

Regions may gradually die from lack of nodes but not when they're 90
remaining.

Anyone? Please?

\x/@rd Dossche
2:292/854 ([email protected])

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CHAT WITH THE EDITOR
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(2) Sat 24 Mar 01 10:00a
By: Warren Bonner (1:103/401) via 1/23, Interim Fidonews Editor
To: Ward Dossche (2:292/854) via 1/2, Europe Gate
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Hello Ward!
Thank you for using Fidonet in your endeavor to wake up lazy
nodes to take a little responsibility for their own good.

It would really be nice to have notices and other articles from
you once in a while, maybe `once a month paragraph' from the IC.

I would be happy to create a section in Makenews to create a new
"From the IC's Corner", (or what ever caption you choose), to
bring our entire world net into a closer relationship where our
brotherhood flourish in finding each other's respect rather
than nit picking our differences.

This submission you send today is an excellent example of reaching
out to make the connections necessary to heal rips in the fabric
of our beloved Fidonet. We all must work a little harder.

Again, thank you very much Ward.

Ol'wdb

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This is an important request, thus I listed it in two places in
the Snooze this week, to catch the eye of those who rapidly
scroll past the Index and Header to the first Column. Please
forgive the redundancy.

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*From the International Coordinator

> Warren,
>
> Can something of this nature appear in Fidonews please? I'm
> fearing we're losing this region but I'd like to take every
> precaution before removing it as it's more or less 90 entries.
>
> Thank you,
>
> \x/@rd Dossche
> ZC/2
>
> ************************* QUOTE *************************
>
> Colleagues,
>
> R35's segment in zone-2 (Bulgaria) hasn't been updated for 3
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> years now.
>
> As I'm cleaning-out the nodelist I'd like to find out if anyone
> anywhere has
> a working link into R35 here which would prompt me to another
> solution than
> removing the whole region from the nodelist.
>
> Regions may gradually die from lack of nodes but not when
> they're 90
> remaining.
>
> Anyone? Please?
>
> \x/@rd Dossche
> 2:292/854 ([email protected])

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By: Thom LaCosta
To: Warren Bonner
Re: Trademark Issue
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Warren Bonner wrote in a message to Thom LaCosta:

WB> Thom, I firmly second the motion! Don't think we will get even a
grunt though.

Thom> I think the answer, or the lack thereof, will give a
crystal-clear indication of the attitude and position of not only the
IC, but the ZC group.

I honestly believe it's time to put "the rubber on the road" to let
the members of FidoNet know how we are being represented, what agendas
may be in place, and from that members should have a much clearer
indication of the nature of our "governing" body.

As the time with no response increases, so does the heartburn level,
and good medical practice doesn't embrace sitting by idly whilst the
acid builds up. It would appear to me that it's time for a remedy.

Thom [email protected] http://www.tlchost.net/echolist/ ---
* Origin: Home of The Other Robot (1:261/1352)

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THOUGHTS
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From: "R. B. Crowninshield" <[email protected]>

SOMETHING NICE
There are moments in life when you miss someone so
much that you just want to pick them from your dreams
and hug them.

Dream what you want to dream; go where you want to go;
be what you want to be, because you have only one life
and one chance to do all the things you want to do.

May you have enough happiness to make you sweet,
enough trials to make you strong, enough sorrow to
keep you human, enough hope to make you happy.

Always put yourself in others' shoes. If you feel that
it hurts you, it probably hurts the other person too.

The happiest of people don't necessarily have the best
of everything; they just make the most of everything
that comes along their way.

Happiness lies for those who cry, those who hurt,
those who have searched, and those who tried, for only
they can appreciate the importance of people who have
touched their lives.

Love begins with a smile, grows with a kiss and ends
with a tear.

The brightest future will always be based on a
forgotten past, you can't go on well in life until you
let go of your past failures and heartaches.

When you were born, you were crying and everyone
around you was smiling.

Live your life so that when you die, you're the one
who is smiling and everyone around you is crying.

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LETTERS
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By: Philip Lozier To: Malcolm Miles
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Hello Malcom,
[...]
PHIL> As to all of this recycled FidoNet vs. Internet stuff... it is
not a valid comparison in any way... the old "apples and oranges"
thing... the internet and FidoNet are two completely different beasts
altogether... FidoNet is merely a messaging network, nothing more,
nothing less. It is used either to add content to a BBS, or for
personal consumption by private nodes and points... some BBSs have
their themes and plenty of information on particular items that
interest the SysOps, but again, hat is not FidoNet either... just
like the internet and FidoNet, BBSs and FidoNet are two different
things, although they work hand in hand with each other. What
people need to focus on is not how to compete with the internet, but
how to promote FidoNet usage both on and off the internet by what we
have available to us. With many FidoNet systems ru shing to get
their systems available via telnet, there are likely ways that the
BBSs themselves could promote more traffic to themselves... I think
that if a large number of the telnet systems would set up to allow
telneting from their BBS into other boards, then BBSs could be

created on as many topics as you can think of, bringing back the old
days of "theme boards"... an indexed listing could be kept on the
telnet sites that supply information on various topics, and telnet
could become, for all intents and purposes, a BBS web, with the
various BBSs being the "websites"... Of course, with the above,
many SysOps probably wouldn't want to do that, as the mentality seems
to be "I just want them on -MY- BBS, why am I going to let them use
me as a portal to someone elses?". Well... for one thing, it would
probably improve the quality of BBSs themselves, as the SysOps would
have to pay more attention to their content other than echoes and
files to keep a user interested, " generic" BBSs just wouldn't cut
it... another thing may be that it might be a way to attract totally
new BBS users, and ultimately FidoNet posters, in that for some
reason, people have always been attracted to something that seems
new, or is some kind of "underground"... Even without having the
actual systems calling to and from each other, I am sure that someone
could come up with a searc engine for telnet sites (search by
locality, topic, or whatever), that works exactly the same as any
engine on the web, and pages could be created and promoted which
contain top of the line telnet clients for download, and much
information about telnet itself, that make it easier than ever for a
first timer to get involved. A simple telnet list just wouldn't cut
it. No, this may not be strictly FidoNet related, but, by getting
more people to utilize these telnet BBSs, it does create a way to
expose FidoNet to people, and hell, even if the nodelist didn't start
to grow rapidly rig ht away, it would sure be nice to see message
traffic increase due to BBS callers via telnet... ultimately, it
would attract new nodes as more people got involved, and discovered
that it really isn't that hard for them to do themselves. I would
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also venture so far as to say that if this was a succesful way of
reviving BBSs, that we would likely see much higher quality software
being produced for all ends of BBSing. Sure, we would probably see a
lot less freeware and cardware, but, that's the way it used to be
anyway when BBSs were all the rage. There is enough freeware to get
anybody started, but I would sure love to see a higher amount of new
and improved stuff coming out, even if it was costing a few bux
again. There -IS- a way to revive BBSing, but, it involves people
working together towards the goal, and keeping things organized and
well maintained, making all of the sites easy to locate, and easy to
connect to. It also calls for SysOps to create and provide much
richer content for their BBSs... if many of these people can create
websites with all that content, why couldn't they do it on their BBS
So what it will be just text... it will load faster and likely be
easier to navigate... myself, I would love to read information I
that thinks it's all high important to load it down with time
consuming images and graphics... the BBS caller could simply download
own system. I don't think the graphics limitations would be a
deterant any more than the web is a deterant to people who like to
read novels or books right from the printed page.

Some might view using what is available in order to further preserve
and promote the hobby that we all love, and put it in a position to be
around for a long time to come. We should start coming up with ways
to utilize telnet to our full advantage... if what I envision could
happen, FidoNet and nets like it would simply be the "newgroups" of
the BBS web, and once folks discover it, they will likely apreciate
it and like it much better than than those SPAMgroups. What about
inter-bbs chatting as well? We can do a lot if everyone would get
together and stop trying to figure out how to compete with the
internet and would rather work on utilizing what we do have available
to us to its full advantage. Of course it could never compete with
the web itself, but it sure could boost our traffic a bit. Just
another of my penny and a half thoughts that had been brewing around
for awhile :)

Think about it.

Phil

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Richard
Webb <[email protected]> wrote:

Dear editor:

Up until 1995 I was active in fidonet, as a node for a little over a
year but mostly as a point since 1992 or close to it.

After I took my node down I performed sysop duties on another bbs
running binkley Maximus, and with some neat little utilities (most of
which were created by Harvey Parisien) I was able to do a lot of
maintenance chores by remote, even things which normally couldn't be
done by logging into Maximus 2.01, such as changing tosser config
files. In fact, I was able to set us up an areafix program without
ever having to leave my office <grin>.
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Like your author of the article on pointing in z2 I often wondered why
pointing didn't catch on more here in the states. I could have
my mailer poll my boss node, freq files and all those other tasks
while I was either out of my office or in bed asleep. I could get the
echoes I wanted even if not carried by a bbs in town, no begging for
higher access status, no calling multiple boards and sitting in front
of my computer being invited to visit the files section or being paged
by the user on node 2 that was a kid who was looking for somebody to
play Doom with.

When I first started bbsing I discovered offline readers and tried
playing with Procomm and Telix scripts, but soon after discovered
Ppoint by Harvey Parisien. Once I downloaded it and got it running I
was hooked. I could have new echomail and netmail available to me,
consult emailable search engines through the internet gateway, meet
new and interesting friends, all without having to leave my chair.
Better yet, I could do this while taking breaks sitting at my desk and
not have to worry about whether I was still logged on trying to get
the file I wanted or read messages when I should be back at work.

Also, my phone line was free for business calls during business hours,
and I could enjoy its use during off hours to communicate with friends
and family. Just before bedtime, tell my system when to poll my boss
and go happily to bed. Next morning with my first cup of coffee I
could enjoy lively conversation with people all over the world.

In fact, now that I've left the old dog behind for the most part, I
still interact with the internet offline. I use an offline reader for
internet mail and newsgroups. NO it doesn't do html or binaries well,
but that lets me miss out on the nasty viruses that seem to attack
Microsoft products. NO fancy java scripts either, but I really don't
care. Automated retrieval of usenet and email is there and I can tell
it to call in my absence just as I could my mailer. Automated ftp is
available with this system as well. Even better, I can run it on my
old antiquated 386 with 2 mb ram.

ON the other side of the fence: WHen I was a node I was mail-only
part of the time, but then I moved to a small town where there were no
FIdonet boards. I set up a board to introduce people to FIdonet.
Before I'd moved however I'd introduced three people to pointing who
normally didn't call bbs systems. Out of those three two switched to
local boards, first as qwk reader users then as points, the third
called my system about twice a week, though it was a toll call,
because he enjoyed having access to the echoes he wanted. THere was a
fully functional areafix program so he could link and unlink from the
echoes he wanted. He also liked the automated nature of late night
file requests.

I think the main reason pointing didn't catch on here is that sysops
didn't promote it enough.

Just my $0.02 worth.

REgards,
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Richard WEbb
FOrmer Fidonet 1:290/18 and 1:283/520
Also formerly 1:290/8.1 and 1:283.525.5

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ARTICLES
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From: "R. B. Crowninshield" <[email protected]>
Introducing Euro-English phase-in plan for our Z2-Z6 friends
Date: Saturday, March 24, 2001 2:58 PM

The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby
English will be the official language of the EU rather than German
which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her
Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for
improvement and has accepted a 5 year phase-in plan that would be
known as "Euro-English".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will
make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in
favour of the"k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan
have 1 less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the
troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like
"fotograf" 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be
ekspekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are
possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters,
which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre
that the horible mes of the silent "e"s in the language is
disgraseful, and they should go away.

By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing
"th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o"
kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of
kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.

After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be
no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand
ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen ve vil tak over ze
USA an tch dem ta spk proply!

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FRANK'S COLUMN
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by: Frank Vest, Collin County Station (124/6308.1)
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Thoughts on "Where are we going"
By Frank Vest

If you read last week's article from me, you might be thinking along
some lines of "Where are we going?", "How can I help?". I'm just going
to ramble here and let you figure out what you think. :)

It's been said that Fidonet need to "move forward", "Get into the
next century", "Quit holding onto the old ways" and much more. All of
this is directed to help and that's fine. I just wonder what one might
call "help"?

Help, like many things, depends on the 'point of view of the
individual'. What I might call help, you might call me names for. :)
So, here's some thoughts and such.

The "New Fidonet"

First, we get a software author to write some programs for Fidonet.
One program will be a "Fidonet Server" program. All it will do is
transfer, receive and send files to and from users, other Fidonet
Servers and such. Each user can have his/her own account on this
server as/if allowed by the System Operator.

Next, we get the software author to write a "Fidonet Browser"
program. This program will connect to the Fidonet Server via the
standard Fidonet protocols (Zmodem, ZedZap and such) and allow the
transfer of files to and from the Fidonet Server. The Fidonet Browser
will then store and, if/depending on the type of file, display the
files to the user on the Fidonet Browser screen. IE: if it's a
picture, some file that gives information or a display menu.

Of course, there will have to be standards setup in order for
competition in "Fidonet Server" and "Fidonet Browser" software so that
one author can't just write a proprietary program and "force" it upon
all the Fidonet people. and the "Fidonet Browser" software will have
to be "User friendly" as well as "point and click" so that the general
public can easily use it. Multiple OS support would be another "plus".

Also, there would need to be some sort of "game" access so that the
people that want to play the games can access them as well. And,
there would need to be something like a Point program for the Fidonet
echos to be read/replied to off line.

Now, just think, with this kind of programing, Fidonet can have most,
if not all, of what the Internet offers.

Next Step

Of course, all the above will not do a lot if there are small servers
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with little in the way of files. So, we need a "Backbone" of file
echos and message echos. Well, we have that already, so what do we do
with them? Connect them, of course. Remember that Fidonet is a
collection of Nodes and Nets just like the Internet. What we don't
have are the connections. So, we get a few Nets to get together and
sponsor a few 24/7 lines that can connect these servers together. What
do we have? Why, the Internet, of course. :)

Now, you're probably thinking that this Frank guy has flipped... You
may be right, but some of this is possible. The thought of a new type
of terminal program that can access files and display them along with
the graphics has been done. The real problem has been that the BBS
software to do this was written as proprietary software that required
a matching terminal program to make it work. A generic set of
standards which would spawn a generic group of terminal programs would
make things like this possible.

Think on this.

Set some standards. I really don't care how it is done, just do it.
Then BBS software authors can/could build these into their BBS
software. The terminal program authors could build terminal programs
to match and we are off to "The New Fidonet". It's not impossible, but
I really can't see it happening in the current politicking and cut
throat method that Fidonet operates in today. We, Fidonet, would have
to stop trying to politic each other to the bottom while politicking
ourselves to the top and actually allow this to happen.

The first step might be to keep the hobby aspect of Fidonet in mind
as we go about this hobby we love. It is just a hobby and not a big
commercial profit machine. If it is treated as a hobby, there just
might be a chance here.

Just some thoughts to go with last week;

Fidonet is behind the Internet due to our hobby and connectivity
aspect. We have the software already developed to use the Internet to
connect our hobby together. Note that I said "use the Internet" not
"become a part of the Internet". With some work from us on keeping the
"hobby" part in our minds and forgetting the politic and cut throat
part, we could grow. We are not that much different than the Internet.

Regards,

Frank Vest

http://texoma.net/~flv http://bise.tzo.com/r19

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CHATTER
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By: Frank Vest
To: Jasen Betts
Re: Mailer on a voice line
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On (23 Mar 01) Jasen Betts wrote to Frank Vest, with MvdV quotes.

Hello Jasen,

>FV> Still a kludge and since a Point isn't in the Nodelist, just a
user.

JB> Mv>> So? Why MUST the editor be in the nodelist. If he can be
reached via a pointnumber that is published in FidoNews and his
bossnode is in the nodelist, that serves the purpose doesn't it?

FV> Points are not in the Nodelist and are nothing more than users
with a mailer. P4 states this. I can't see how a Point can be the
editor of a publication that s/he isn't a member of.

JB> Nodes, and Points aren't people. they are addresses. I grant that
it may be a requirement that the editor has a node address, but I
see no reason why the editor can't also have a point address.

FV>Agreed. There is also no reason that a *C can't have a Point
address, or several Point addresses. But, would you want your *C to be
only a Point address? I think not.

Regards,

Frank

http://texoma.net/~flv
http://bise.tzo.com/r19

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RECIPES
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By: MICHAEL LOO
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MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.01

Title: Electronic Gourmet's French Onion Soup
Categories: Soups, Appetizers, Cyberealm
Yield: 6 servings

1 1/2 lb Yellow Onions, thinly sliced
(about 5 cups)
3 tb Butter
1 tb Oil
1 ts Salt
1/4 ts Sugar
3 tb Flour
8 c Boiling Brown Stock
1/2 c Dry White Wine or Vermouth
3 tb Cognac
Rounds of Hard Toasted Bread
2 c Swiss Cheese, grated

1) Cook the onions slowly with the butter and oil in a covered
saucepan for 15 minutes.

2) Uncover, raise the heat to moderate and stir in the salt and sugar.
Cook for 30 to 40 minutes stirring frequently until the onions have
turned and even, deep golden brown.

3) Sprinkle in the flour and stir 3 minutes.

4) Off heat, blend in the boiling liquid. Note that instead of brown
stock you may use canned beef bouillon (same quantity). Or, and
equal part of boiling water plus stock or bouillon.

5) Add the wine and season to taste. Simmer partially covered for 30
to 40 minutes or more, skimming occasionally. Correct Seasoning.

6) Set aside uncovered until ready to serve, then reheat to simmer.

7) Just before serving, stir in the cognac. Pour into french onion
soup bowls over the rounds of bread. Cover with cheese. Bake at 350
F until cheese melts.

Typed for you by Peggy and Bruce Travers,Cyberealm BBS Watertown NY
315-786-1120

MMMMM
* Origin: The NeverEnding BBS/Deltona,FL/407-860-7720/bbs.never
(1:3618/555)

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POET'S CORNER
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From: "R. B. Crowninshield" <[email protected]>

Since the Pledge of Allegiance and The Lord's Prayer are not allowed
in most public schools anymore because the word "God" is mentioned....
a kid in Arizona wrote the attached NEW School prayer. I liked it....

Now I sit me down in school
Where praying is against the rule
For this great nation under God
Finds mention of Him very odd.
If Scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights.
And anytime my head I bow
Becomes a Federal matter now.

Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.
The law is specific, the law is precise.
Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

For praying in a public hall
Might offend someone with no faith at all.
In silence alone we must meditate,
God's name is prohibited by the state.

We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King
It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,
We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.

We can get our condoms and birth controls,
Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.

It's scary here I must confess,
When chaos reigns the school's a mess.
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; my soul please take!

Amen

If you aren't ashamed to do this, please pass this on. Jesus said,
"If you are ashamed of me," I will be ashamed of you before my
Father."

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Not ashamed. Passing this on . . .

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HUMOR
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From: "R. B. Crowninshield" <[email protected]>

Three girls all worked in the same office with the same
female boss. Each day, they noticed the boss left work
early. One day, the girls decided that, when the boss
left, they would leave right behind her. After all, she
never called or came back to work, so how would she know
they went home early?

The brunette was thrilled to be home early. She did a
little gardening, spent playtime with her son, and went
to bed early.

The redhead was elated to be able to get in a quick
workout at the spa before meeting a dinner date.

The blonde was happy to get home early and surprise her
husband, but when she got to her bedroom, she heard a
muffled noise from inside. Slowly and quietly, she
cracked open the door and was mortified to see her
husband in bed with her boss! Gently, she closed the
door and crept out of her house.

The next day, at their coffee break, the brunette and
redhead planned to leave early again, and they asked
the blonde if she was going to go with them.

"No way," the blonde exclaimed. "I almost got caught
yesterday!"

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

My sister brought her daughter a really nice
Spinet Piano for her birthday.

A few weeks later, I asked my sister how her
daughter was doing.

"Oh," she said, "I persuaded her to switch to
a clarinet."

"How come?" I asked.

"Well," my sister answered, "because with a clarinet,
she can't sing...."

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Newspaper Classified Ads:

Lost: small apricot poodle. Reward. Neutered. Like one of the family.

For sale: an antique desk suitable for lady with thick legs and large
drawers.

Wanted: Unmarried girls to pick fresh fruit and produce at night.

Tired of cleaning yourself? Let me do it.

Stock up and save. Limit: one.

Wanted: Part-time married girls for soda fountain in sandwich shop.

Man wanted to work in dynamite factory. Must be willing to travel.

Wanted. Man to take care of cow that does not smoke or drink.

Illiterate? Write today for free help.

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Quoting Michiel van der Vlist from a message to Carol Shenkenberger
* -=+ PHONE Q & A +=-
To: Carol Shenkenberger
Re: PABX for the home???
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MvdV> Hello Carol,
1) How are they going to find out? From their point
view if view it looks just like a single analog phone.

Carol> It has to do more with compliance with the rules of service
for the phone line here on `noncommercial rates'.

MvdV> Do the rules of servive forbid the connection of a small home
exchange for private use?

Carol> I called and asked my phone company. They almost changed me to
commercial rates just based on *asking*. (I talked then out of it as
I finally got someone with a brain on the line and explained I was
asking *if it would* make for that, not that I was *doing* it)...
Lets say with my local phone company, definate YES.
xxcarol

* Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual
(1:275/100)

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(Chinese)

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
time between when the message is received, and when it is
sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

v-email flag [email protected]
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| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
220/10 | [email protected] |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS | 33.6k | n/c
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3407/4 @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k |N/C
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
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382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

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Zone 4
801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c

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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* NFS = Linux Networking
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