F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 10 05 Mar 2001

F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 10 05 Mar 2001
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Table of Contents
1. HEADLINE ................................................. 1
[ Header ] ............................................... 1
2. CHAT WITH THE EDITOR ..................................... 2
<><>* CHAT with EDITOR *<><> ............................. 2
3. CORRECTIONS .............................................. 4
*ENGLISH CORRECTIONS* .................................... 4
4. LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK ......................... 5
//+ Letters +\\ .......................................... 5
5. ARTICLES ................................................. 7
//\+ ARTICLES +/\\ ....................................... 7
6. FRANK'S COLUMN ........................................... 9
//\* FRANK'S COLUMN */\\ ................................. 9
7. NASCAR STORIES ........................................... 17
((((( NASCAR STORIES ))))) ............................... 17
8. FACTS IN HISTORY ......................................... 19
9. RECIPES .................................................. 21
10. FIDONET FICTION ......................................... 22
PLEASE RESCUE FIDO ....................................... 22
11. GETTING TECHNICAL ....................................... 25
>>> TECHNOFACTS <<< ...................................... 25
12. POET'S CORNER ........................................... 27
<<< Poetry Korner >>> .................................... 27
13. HUMOR ................................................... 29
<>< HUMOROUS ECHOS ><> ................................... 29
14. QUESTION OF THE WEEK .................................... 30
//\+ QUESTION +/\\ ....................................... 30
15. NOTICES ................................................. 31
16. FIDONET BY INTERNET ..................................... 32
17. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 37
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HEADLINE
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The hardest part about gaining any new idea is sweeping out
the false idea occupying that niche. As long as that niche
is occupied, evidence and proof and logical demonstration
get nowhere. But once the niche is emptied of the wrong
idea that has been filling it - once you can honestly say,
"I don't know," then it becomes possible to get at the truth.

Robert A. Heinlein

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CHAT WITH THE EDITOR
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Carol Shenkenberger:
Steve, I have several more (ideas) and rather than flood the echo
with it all, seems the region 13 sysops think it's generally harmless,
possibly helpful, to have some extra ZIN helpdesk sites.

Steve Querrella:
Appreciate your help on that. Looks to me like only 13 and 19
have an opinion on this, unfortunately, and even then, I've
gotten one nibble from my own people regarding 1:19/255's
appearance in the next nodelist.

Carol:
The only 'worries' were that some critical help might end up
going all netmail and echos may suffer.

Steve:
Recall that the idea is to have one Help System per Region. You'll see
1:19/255 in this week's nodelist, in fact. The ultimate idea is to
have a point of contact, per Region, for getting people nodelisted as
IP nodes. We can either go the route of having separate help nodes
for stuff like Vmodem or Com/IP or Netmodem, or we can simply delegate
the tasks among the Zone 1 Help Systems, like the FTSC delegates
things. OK, you're the OS/2 guy, you're going to take the Vmodem
stuff. You're the Com/IP person, you take care of that. Realistically,
this person's primary focus should be helping potential IP nodes to
get into the nodelist, and with that comes some responsibility to be
familiar with the software (or know where to look to find information
on it). Regarding critical help's going to netmail, I would hope that
the person doing the pointing in the right direction would encourage
the person needing help to check out the appropriate forum. "Oh, your
software doesn't work right now, and you need to get it working in
order to READ the forum? OK, let's work here." It's like having
people who can't get an OLR working being told "Check out the OFFLINE
conference." OK, fine, but now you're reading online, often a
frustrating experience for some. :-)
Origin: Elflords in Black (1:393/9005.13)

Editor's response:
This is as good an idea as Tom Jennings had in starting Fidonet POTS.
It can not only save Fido from gradual demise as the Internet grows
with every household eventually becoming an IP.

This is the leading edge to what the questionnaire was about in the
Fidonews sometime back. Problem there was only the POTs people raised
their hand in protest. As I understand the proposal that the IPs
would have a help center to go to for assistance in remaining a node,
or becoming a node in a regular and IP nodelist. Combined?

If I understand it correctly, that is the birth of the future fido in
my opinion. Obviously the vast majority of folks go IP these days and
have ignored the old slow way. Time for Fido to stop crawling and
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learn to walk, run and fly! Thanks to Steve Q. for his work on this
with Region 19.

JMHO, Ol'wdb

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CORRECTIONS
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by: "R. B. Crowninshield" <[email protected]>

SUGGESTED Changes to the English Language...
(Tongue in cheek...)

The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby
English will be the official language of the European Union rather
than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the
negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling
had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5-year phase-in plan
that would be known as "Euro-English".

In the first year, 's' will replace the soft 'c'. Sertainly, this will
make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard 'c' will be dropped in
favor of the 'k'. This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan
have one less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the
troublesome 'ph' will be replased with the 'f'. This will make words
like 'fotograf' 20% shorter!

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expected
to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
Governments will enkorage the removal of double leters which have
always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the
horible mes of the silent 'e' in the languag is disgrasful and it
should go away.

By the 4th year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing 'th'
with 'z' and 'w' wiz 'v'. During ze fifz year ze unesesary 'o' kan be
dropd from vords kontaining 'ou' and similar changes vud of kurs be
aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After ze fifz yer ve vil hav a
rali sensibl ritn styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and
evriun vil find it ezi tu undrstand ech ozer.

Zen Z Drem Vil Finali Kum Tru !!!

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LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK
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By: Todd Vierling
To: All
Re: IP nodelist violations
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* Crossposted from IP_CONNECT

I haven't been reading FidoNews lately, so I actually just ran across
the editorial from [email protected] about the blatant abuses of Policy4
in the Nodelist. It's a good time right now to bring up possible ways
to fix the problem.

In that editorial:
> P4 states that that a certain hour of each day be set aside for
> transfer of Netmail only. This is known as ZMH (Zone Mail Hour) and
> is coordinated to have each Node in Fidonet available for Netmail
> transfer at the same hour each day dependent on time zones. This is
> violated by Internet only Nodes since they aren't available for
> dial-up connections.

I plan to post some proposals to IP_CONNECT within the next month,
hopefully to address some of these issues.

Also in the editorial,
> Maybe a new software that will allow direct connects to the Internet
> for Netmail and, somehow, mesh the Fidonet Node addressing system to
> the Internet addressing system so that any person that has access to
> the Internet can get through to Fidonet Netmail.

We already have the means by which to document netmail routing, taking
into account Internet-connected nodes. It's the Nodelist that we've
been using for years. There's no reason to keep violating Nodelist
policy; we should clean up the Nodelist entries that are noncompliant.

I have been working on a flexible nodelist postprocessor to create
Internet routing lists for available IP-connected nodes (...so that
POTS calls can be skipped where an Internet connection is otherwise
available). Among other things, I'm setting it up to generate a binkp
domain in the vein of fidonet.net, and host/routing lists for ifmail,
ifcico, binkd, and fidogate, but using *only* information gleaned from
the official Nodelist, not external sources.

This postprocessor also has the ability to spew Nodelist format
violation reports for all of the following, which the nodelist
compiler is currently NOT checking:

- Node with invalid phone number not listed as `Pvt' and/or `Hold'
(often IP-only node using the improper 000-IP-AD-DR-ESS format)

- IP-connected node flying Ixx flag with no destination (allowed
formats:
either attached to the flag with :hostname[:port], or as the BBS
name; possibly also location field)
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- Internet e-mail connected node flying Ixx flag with no destination
(allowed: attached to the flag with :email@address, or as the BBS
name; possibly also location field)

Note that the first of these three is a very serious violation of the
Nodelist and Policy4; the fact that there are nodes with 000-
"telephone numbers" is quite disturbing and *blatantly wrong*. After
all, POTS *is* the lowest-common-denominator communications method for
basic nodes, so the phone number field must be valid for non-`Pvt'
nodes. How this should be handled for a "Host" address without POTS
connectivity, I'm not quite sure yet.

Stay tuned. I'll probably set up these violation reports to run each
week and send the results to a particular echo (as yet undecided). If
you'd like to share some insight on this topic, feel free to reply to
this thread on IP_CONNECT, or send me a netmail (Todd Vierling @
1:3613/44) or e-mail ([email protected]).

--- FIDOGATE 4.4.2 * Origin: DuhGate Internet<->Fido -
[email protected] for info (1:3613/44.0)

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ARTICLES
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E-Mail "Freqs"
By Frank Vest
[email protected]

Here's something that might be of interest to a few. Mind you, this is
running out of Dos with QEMM and Desqview on a 486 with a 33600 modem,
amazing as that may seem. :-)

E-Mail Freqs?!? Yes, it can and is being done. If you're interested
in getting a file from me and don't want to call my "Dial-up only" BBS
long distance, you can "Freq" the file via the Internet. Yes, via the
Internet. I run the Dos version of Internet Rex (Irex) and this allows
me to let people File request (Freq) files from me via an E-Mail
message. The requested file is returned via an E-Mail file attach
message to the requester. Here's how it works;

Note: This will NOT work via most Fidonet<>Internet gateways. Don't
try it.

Load your E-Mail program and create a new message. Address it to
[email protected] (see the address above if needed). In the subject
line, put the word FREQ

In the text area (where you would normally write the message) put the
word FREQ and the name of the file you wish to receive. IE: FREQ
<filename.ext> for each file you want, one per line. I have limits, so
be gentle. :)

The E-Mail will look something like this:

To: [email protected] Subj:
FREQ ---text area-----------
FREQ files
FREQ <next file>

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The word "Files" is the magic name for my list of all the files I have
available. Get this first and then you can find out what file(s) I
have that you might want.

Remember, the machine that this runs on is also my BBS and Fidonet
system.

It does not have a 24/7 connect to the Internet and might take a while
to process your request. It will get there, just not instantly.

Also, be sure the E-Mail address you request from is valid. If you use
some sort of anti-spam in your address, please remove it. Irex returns
the file requested to the E-Mail address it receives the request from.
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It has no way of knowing to remove the anti-spam part of your address.
I'm not in the spam business and you won't receive spam from me....
nor will I sell your address to others.

If you use some E-Mail source that doesn't allow file attach E-Mail,
this won't work, of course.

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FRANK'S COLUMN
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From: "Frank Vest" <[email protected]>
To: "Warren Bonner" <[email protected]>

"Ancient" History?
By Frank Vest

I've noted that the Fidonews Echo is talking about history in regards
to the printing press, Presidents of the U.S. of A. and other areas. I
started thinking about Fidonet... seems like I always think of Fidonet
when reading something. :-)

When we think of "ancient" history, we generally think in terms of
half centuries, hundreds of years, or more.... Ben Franklin, the
printing press, Declaration of Independence, and the reported designer
of the Colonies first official U.S. coin, the copper penny. He put a
Sun dial with the word "FUGIO" on the front side; on the back he put
thirteen rings to represent the colonies, and inscribed around the
circumference the words "WE ARE ONE UNITED STATES". (Being American
I'm sorry I don't know the history of other lands very well).

This begs the question from me of "What is 'Ancient' History"?

In terms of what most consider "ancient", computers, the Internet,
Fidonet and other computer related events are far from "old". Still,
with the fast moving of the technical aspects of computers, a "few
short years" can be a lifetime.

Anyway, I started looking in my file archives and came across a file
from Tom Jennings on the history of Fidonet. It was in 1984(?), a mere
16 years ago, that Fidonet was born. I thought it might be interesting
to print the document in view of the "new millennium" which was last
year, or this year, depending on how one counts. :) There's some
things in this article that might just surprise some of us... it did
me. :)

If you want a copy of this, send a Netmail to Infomail at 1:124/6308
with a subject of Fido_History_Pt1 and you should receive a return
Netmail containing the document. Put something in the text of the
Netmail so that processors will pass it on without deleting an "empty"
Netmail.

------------------- Begin history1.doc-------------------------
FidoNet History and Operation 8 Feb 85

This is a long and convoluted document; it has been
sorely needed for months now, and it finally got done.
FidoNet is growing at a tremendous rate, and newer sysops
don't have the information that us oldies (pre Sept 84
sysops) assume everyone knows; hence the history section
here. There is a lot of extremely important material covered
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here that was assumed to be known by all; we are finding out
otherwise.

This also covers some of the dark mysterious secrets
about the magical node numbers, and how the magical node
lists appear from nowhere. Those of you that have been
FidoNet nodes since way back when, spring and summer of
1984, and watched all this develop (such as it was) in full
Technicolor, will know most of this; if you are a relatively
new sysop, much of this may come as a suprise. Everyone
should read this, experienced sysops, new sysops, and all
Fido and FidoNet users.

FidoNet is no longer just a piece of software; it
has become complex organism. There are about 160 Fidos in
FidoNet right now; this does not include Fidos being run as
Bulletin Board only systems, just ones that you can converse
with over the net. If the average number of users on each
system is 300 people, you can start to guess at the scale of
things today.

HISTORY:

When FidoNet was first tested, there were two nodes:
myself here at Fido #1 in San Francisco, and John Madill at
Fido #2 in Baltimore. John and I did all of the testing and
development for the first pass at FidoNet. Its purpose: to
see if it could be done, merely for the fun of it, like ham
radio. It quickly became useful; instead of trying to call
each others' boards up to leave messages, or expensive voice
phone calls, Fidonet messages became more or less routine.

This was version 7 of Fido sometime in June 84 or
so; it did not have routing, file attach, retry control,
error handling, cost accounting, log files, or any of the
niceties since added. A packet was made, a call placed, the
packet transferred, that was it. This was adequate for a
month or two, when there were less than 20 nodes.

In August of 84, the number of nodes was approaching
30; the net was becoming clogged, believe it or not. FidoNet
wasn't too smart about making calls then. With 30 systems,
coordination became difficult; instead of a simple voice
phone call to the (very few!) sysops to straighten out
problems like modems not answering, wrong numbers, clock
problems, etc, it took days to get the slightest problem
repaired. There were by now six nodes in St. Louis, and Fido
#1 was making separate phone calls for each, when obviously
one could be made. Enter the beginnings of routing.

The "original" FidoNet was very simple and friendly;
you told me at Fido #1 that you had a FidoNet node ready, I
put you in the list, with your phone number, and people
called up and downloaded the list; done!

Well ... at first, "everyone knew each other"; we
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were in more or less constant contact. However, when the
node numbers got into the twenties, there were people
bringing up FidoNodes who none of us knew. This was good,
but it meant we were not in close contact anymore.

The Net started to deteriorate; every single week
without fail there was at least one wrong number, usually
two. To impress on you the seriousness of wrong numbers in
the node list, imagine you are a poor old lady, who every
single night is getting phone calls EVERY TWO MINUTES AT
4:00AM, no one says anything, then hangs up. This actually
happened; I would sit up and watch when there was mail that
didn't go out for a week or two, and I'd pick up the phone
after dialing, and was left in the embarrasing position of
having to explain bulletin boards to an extremely tired,
extremely annoyed person.

There were also cases where the new node really
wasn't up yet, and the number given was a home phone to be
used temporarily, but I'd forget that, and include it in the
list anyways. Or the new node wasn't really up yet, and we'd
all make calls to it and it would not answer, or worse, the
modem would answer but the software wasn't running, and we'd
get charged for the call.

This obviously could not go on. We had to have some
way to make sure that at least the phone numbers were
correct! I started a new policy; before giving out a node
number and putting it in the list, I had to receive a
FidoNet message from the new node, directly. This verified
that at least the new Fido was half way running. At the
time, Fido had a provision whereby Fido #1 could set the
node number remotely; I'd send a message back, and presto! a
new node was up.

Well, this didn't work properly either; at the same
time, the Fido software was changing so rapidly, to
accomodate all the changes (literally a version a day for a
few weeks there) that I was losing new node requests, wrong
numbers caused by illegible handwriting, all sorts of
problems. Out of laziness I would still assign nodes "word
of mouth", and got in the same trouble as before.

The people in St. Louis (Tony Clark, Ben Baker, Ken
Kaplan, Jon Wichman, Mike Mellinger) had their local Fidos
going strong, and understood what FidoNet did, how it
worked, and what it was about. They volunteered to take over
the node list, handle new node requests, and leave me with
the software. They tightened up on the FidoNet message
requirement, and in a few months, had the "error rate"
(wrong numbers, etc) down to practically zero, where it is
today.

Though I did the programming, Ken Kaplan, Ben Baker,
and the crowd in St. Louis did much of the design and most
of the testing of routing, forwarding, and local nets. They
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still remain the experts on the intricacies of routing, and
help sysops set up local nets.

Please keep in mind the entire process, from two
nodes to over 50, took only three months! Fifty nodes is
more than it sounds; at that level it becomes a large scale
project. FidoNet went from about 50 nodes in Sept 84 or so,
to the current 160+ in Jan/Feb of 85.

FidoNet today is a network quickly approaching the
levels of complexity of commercial networks, and has many
more capabilities than many "mini" networks, such as USENET,
which has no routing or hosts. Only ARPAnet has some of the
features of FidoNet. The southern California local network
is three levels deep, with hosts in Orange, LA, Ventura, San
Berdino and San Diego counties.

FidoNet is just too large today to run as an
informal club. The potential for error is just too high to
include numbers at random within the node list. I imagine we
are in a predicament today what the radio amateur operators
had a number of years ago.

The requirements for new FidoNet nodes are pretty
minimal, and they appear to be arbitrary and harsh if you
aren't aware of what's going on. This is to spell them out
in detail, so everyone will understand the process.

FidoNet'S PURPOSE:

Very simple; it is a hobby, a non-commercial network
of computer hobbiests ("hackers", in the older, original
meaning) who want to play with, and find uses for, packet
switch networking. It is not a commercial venture in any
way; FidoNet is totally supported by it's users and sysops,
and in many ways is similar to ham radio, in that other than
a few "stiff" rules, each sysop runs their system in any way
they please, for any reason they want.

THE STIFF RULES:

Actually, not as bad as it sounds; basically,
politeness as a rule:

1. New nodes, see below.

2. If your system is going to be down for a week or
more, please let Fido 51 know. They can take you
out of the list while you are gone, so other FidoNet
sysops won't be wasting phone calls.

3. If you change your phone number, or decide to stop
running Fido, let them know, so other FidoNet sysops
won't be wasting phone calls.

The thing to keep in mind is that FidoNet's
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telephone calls to send mail are costing someone money; if
you are down just for a night or so, don't worry about it,
just make sure your modem doesn't answer.

THE NODE LIST

Obviously (if you are a FidoNet sysop that is) the
node list is a text file containing all the names, phone
numbers and other things on each node, and as distributed by
Fido 51, routing information for the many local networks. It
is a very compact list, and so there is no clue as to how
that list is made.

Here is the current process for new nodes to obtain
a node number, and get into the node list. This assumes you
want to run a public access Fido; specialized systems are
covered separately, below.

SET UP FIDO

Of course, you should get your Fido running first;
no sense in trying to run mail if your Fido doesn't run! In
your FidoNet area, enter a message for Fido #51, and include
the following information:

1. Your boards name
2. City and state
3. Sysops name
4. Board phone number
5. Maximum baud rate; 1200 assumed otherwise
6. Hours of operation; 24 hrs assumed otherwise
7. Way to contact the sysop during the day. This is
not absolutely necessary, but it makes it easier
if there is some problem.

Most of this is pretty obvious. The sysops voice
phone number will be kept secret; it will not be given out.
It is only used if there is some problem, and a FidoNet
message can't be sent for some reason.

For Fidos that want to run with an unlisted phone
number, a few other things are needed:

8. A public FidoNet to act as mail host
9. The systems actual phone number

A host is required for an unlisted number, so that
you can receive mail. (If you don't want to receive mail,
then there is no reason for you to be part of FidoNet!) The
host system will have to have the unlisted phone number, of
course.

Fido 51 needs to have the phone number also, but it
will be kept secret. This is so that they can contact you
directly if there is any problem, such as a known bug or a
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question, or if your host drops out of the network, so there
is some way to contact the local nodes.

GETTING A NODE NUMBER

This is the part that seems so arbitrary if you
aren't aware of what's happening. What happens is: you send
Fido 51 the message described above. When they receive it,
they put the stuff into the node list and fido list, pick
you a node number, and mail a copy of it to you the next
weekend.

This tests your system at the same time; you have to
be able to sucessfully send and receive mail in order to get
the node number. Out of it, you get a copy of the latest
lists.

NOTE: Fido 51 does not mail out copies of the lists to
everyone on a regular basis; it would mean too many phone
calls ($$$ ...). You can get the new node list Friday
evening at Fidos 10 and 51, or Fidos 1 and 2 later that
weekend or early the next week, and usually most any other
busy Fido.

If it all works, then 1) you know your system is
working 2) Fido 51, the node list keepers, knows it's
working 3) the other 160 or so Fido sysops know that your
system was working at least as recently as the last node
list. Print out the last few weeks nodelists; compare all
the changes, not just the additions.

This is why node numbers aren't given out "word of
mouth", or at other sysops request. It has to be done
directly, as a test.

WHAT FIDO 51 REALLY DOES

Making the node list is more than just typing in the
information; they make sure that the information in the list
is accurate as possible. This frequently means voice phone
calls to double check, or calls to the new system to see
what the problem is; sometimes it is as simple as the wrong
baud rate, the time wrong on the new system, so that it is
not running FidoNet at the right time.

Ken Kaplan and Ben Baker do the node list work when
they have "spare time"; please be patient! As the number of
new nodes increases every week, response time goes up.
Currently, the node list is done once a week; new node
requests must be received in Wednesday nights mail (by
Thursday morning) so that they can work on it Thursday
night, and send it out on Friday night, so that you will
have it over the weekend. The volume of mail is such that it
may take a few days to get out.

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(Please note that Fido 51 is an unattended node;
there is no one there to answer Y)ells unless someone
happens to walk by. The machine is located at Data Research
Associates, who kindly donated the phone line, and runs on a
DEC Rainbow 100+, donated by Digital Equipment Corp.)

Fido 51 is an extremely busy system; they receive
125 messages a week through FidoNet alone, so please be
patient.

CHANGES, MISTAKES AND UPDATES

If you ever find wrong information in the node list,
please send the information to Fido 51; they will include it
in the next list.

If you become part of a local net, ie. you have an
incoming host, notify them, and it will be included in the
node list also. Other changes might be baud rate (got a new
modem!) hours of operation, board name or sysop, etc.

SOME OTHER THINGS ...

If you have questions or problems with any part of
Fido or FidoNet, please ask. Here's where to go for
problems:

HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, PERFORMANCE OR INSTALLATION TROUBLES

Call or FidoNet to Fido #1, me, Tom Jennings.
FidoNet is best, if possible; that way, I have your "address
and phone" handy. If not, then call Fido #1 and leave a
message. If you leave it at G)oodbye, when you call back
looking for a reply, remember to check in the ANSWERS area;
Fido will NOT tell you if there is mail for you, you have to
search for it.

Fido #1 always has the latest versions of Fido for
all hardware supported, available for download. Fido #1
ALWAYS runs one revision later than the released version; it
is used to test new features or bug fixes, so that when
released they will be working. Check the FIDO download area
for the current Fido version.

I have nothing to do anymore with maintaining the
node list, nor do I hand out node numbers.

ROUTING, NODE LIST, LOCAL NET QUESTIONS AND PROBLEMS

Fido 51. Since they keep the list, they're the ones
to contact for node list problems. If you want advice on how
to set up a local net in your area, they can offer help and
advice.

FIDONEWS 18-10 Page 16 5 Mar 2001

SPECIALIZED SYSTEMS

If you are setting up a private network, and it is
to be truly private, what you do with it is your own
business. If, however, there is any possiblility that
members of your private network may wish to communicate with
any members of the public network, you should contact Fido
51 for the allocation of a block of node numbers to be
assigned by you to the nodes in your network. This is to
avoid node number conflicts upon receipt of FidoNet mail in
the public network.

LOCAL NETS

Neither I nor Ken Kaplan nor Ben Baker "run"
FidoNet; local networks such as the one in Southern
California and Massachusetts are entirely the responsibility
of the sysops in the area; the only thing we ask is that the
designated "incoming host" for that area be somewhat
reliable, for the obvious reason that it will be receiving
lots of phone calls from across the country.

As a matter of fact, you are encouraged to form
local networks, or join one that exists locally. It makes it
cheaper for other systems to send you mail, and generally
streamlines FidoNet operation.

Other than that, local nets are totally standalone;
that is what they are for! For instance, SoCal can run their
net anyway they please; it is their hardware, their phone
lines, and their phone bills. It is their investment in
work, and they should reap the benefits. If there is a
"FidoNet policy", this is it.

AND SO ON ...

I hope FidoNet is a bit clearer now; if you have any
suggestions, or want to volunteer to help, please let us
know. Our only interest is in keeping the node list correct
and up to date; this simple list is what ties the entire net
together.

Ken Kaplan Fido #51 314/432-4129
Tom Jennings Fido #1 415/864-1418
Ben Baker Fido #10 314/234-1462

-------------- End history1.doc -------------
Thanks Frank, we hope to get many new and old articles from your
history dept. and archives.

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NASCAR STORIES
=================================================================

Dale's Story

A fine Daytona afternoon, the season just begun. My boys were running
one and two, and I was having fun.

I probably could have won the thing, but something held me back. I was
busy watching Dale and Mike, and holding off the pack.

I was looking toward the front, and not really to the rear. Something
tapped me on the bumper, but still I had no fear.

I thought it might be Sterling, I knew he was nearby. When Sterling
smells the checkered flag, I'll tell ya' he ain't shy.

I slipped a bit. I turned the wheel. I felt something very odd. It
wasn't the Sterling tap I'd felt, it was the tap of God.

"Not now," I said. "I'm racing hard. There's still work here to do."
"Your time is up," he whispered low, "So say a quick adeiu."

I wasn't really ready, but I didn't have a choice. He'd tapped me on
the bumper, and I'd heard His hallowed voice.

So I did as He instructed, I just packed it in and left. I guess it
can't be helped, that I left some of you bereft.

Did you see the birds upon the wall, as they scattered in the breeze?
Will it make it any easier, to know that one of them was me?

There was also Davey, Dad, and Neil, and some other guys I've known.
And they all came to Daytona, just to escort me on home.

Hey! Congratulations, Mikey! You made a worthy run. I wish you many
many more. Your wins have just begun.

All that fun you had in Victory Lane, I was proud as proud can be. Did
you see a seagull flying low? Yeah, Mikey, that was me.

So friends, fans, and family, don't mourn me for too long. Get on with
life. Take care of things. Be brave and proud and strong.

I'll surely miss you, every one. About that I will not lie. But as
long as you remember me, I didn't really die.

-Author Unknown - as seen on the Internet.
(Found on the Internet and submitted by NASCAR Fan, Jim White.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Roy" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Subject: Classified a real Bonehead
FIDONEWS 18-10 Page 18 5 Mar 2001

Date: Sunday, March 04, 2001 10:18 AM

If you've got room in that rag you call Fidonews, here's a little
rebut to the guy that wrote about his army heros being more worthy of
our thoughts than Dale Earnhardt...

My Heros Aren't Supposed to Die!

Warriors of ancient times understood dying well and of dying a
warrior's death. Today's warriors should take a lesson.

Dale Earnhardt was a warrior and my hero. And while it may be scant
comfort to his family, his close friends and his fans, he died in the
most important battle of his chosen war, on the battlefield that he
had finally tamed. Maybe Daytona came back and delivered a message
that even heros are mortal, but did you see that old SOB fight? Old
Ironhead fought and died fighting and doing what he loved. Stay high,
Dale, and keep your foot to the floor.

Roy Witt <[email protected]> or 1:10/22

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FACTS IN HISTORY
=================================================================

Fido Editor's friend, the alphabet

(A)ccepts you as you are
(B)elieves in "you"
(C)alls you just to say "HI"
(D)oesn't give up on you
(E)nvisions the whole of you
(F)orgives your mistakes
(G)ives unconditionally
(H)elps you
(I)nvites you over
(J)ust "be" with you
(K)eeps you close at heart
(L)oves you for who you are
(M)akes a difference in your life
(N)ever Judges
(O)ffers support
(P)icks you up
(Q)uiets your fears
(R)aises your spirits
(S)ays nice things about you
(T)ells you the truth when you need to hear it
(U)nderstands you
(V)alues you
(W)alks beside you
(X)-plain things you don't understand
(Y)ells when you won't listen and
(Z)aps you back to reality

Remember `Flexible Editors' don't get bent out of shape,
They simply load in another column from backup tape!

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From: "WARREN BONNER" <[email protected]>
To: "Douglas Myers" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Poetry contest...

----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Myers
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 5:11 AM
Subject: Poetry contest...

Message-Id: <[email protected]>

dm> This was such a pain in the rear
dm> To write a poem with time so near
dm> My apprehension grew and grew
dm> 'Cause nothing rhymed with Timbuktu...
FIDONEWS 18-10 Page 20 5 Mar 2001

wd> As your anguish and apprehension `grew',
wd> yer wits on end and thinking cap askew...
wd> A lump in yer throat and tummy in a stew,
wd> The camel you ride stumbles into... Timbuktu!
wd> <Where Tim Allen waites for you...show time>
wd> (snicker)

dm> As a writer I may not be all that terrific
dm> But a writer for TV ain't good, he's prolific.
dm> Ten minutes tops for a daytime soap
dm> Not more than twenty for a sitcom, I'd hope.
dm> An hour for a special would be fine, I'd say,
dm> But a true work of art takes at least a day...

wd> As a writer or a columnist,
wd> I try to find a new twist ...
wd> Oh to find the truth in the mist,
wd> of all rhetoric gets me pissed!

wd> I try and try to vent my spleen,
wd> polish verbal apples to a sheen...
wd> On history and funnies I'm keen,
wd> and on Sundays my karma I preen.

wd> And if cannot attend the nearby church,
wd> my efforts are wasted...I'm left in the lurch!
wd> Then my sweet Jannie, my wife of fourth years,
wd> appears by my side, takes a kleenex to my tears...
wd> smiles her prettiest, as she wipes away my fears...
wd> whispers,"`horny'...you've had too many beers!"

wd> Usually she calls me warrnie,
wd> or sometimes `Warrnie Barnie'...
wd> but never would she call me `horny',
wd> from her that would be too `corny'!
8^))

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RECIPES
=================================================================

By: Dave Drum
To: All
----------------------------------------------------------------------
MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Easy Shrimp Etouffee
Categories: Cajun, Seafood
Yield: 4 servings

12 tb Margarine
1 Bell pepper, chopped
1 c Ro-tel tomatoes
1 ts Worcestershire sauce
2 cl Garlic; minced
1 c Cream of mushroom soup
3 md Onions; chopped
4 Ribs celery, chopped
Juice of 1/2 lemon
1/4 c Parsley, chopped
2 lb Shrimp, peeled
1/4 c Green onion tops, chopped

Saute Onions, bell Pepper, Celery and Tomatoes in Margarine,
covered, for two hours. Add remaining ingredients and cook
30 more minutes. Serve over hot rice.

MMMMM

ENJOY!!!

... Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen
... Home of HARDIN Cider & Yaaa Hooo Ahhh Hot Sauce!!!

* Origin: Salata * Redondo Beach, CA * 310-543-0439 33.6k (1:102/125)

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FIDONET FICTION
=================================================================

Too many pillars of Fido are departing, brought this article to mind.

HOW COULD YOU?

Copyright Jim Willis 2001
<[email protected]> ..........Author's email address

When I was a puppy, I entertained you with my antics and made you
laugh.

You called me your child, and despite a number of chewed shoes and a
couple of murdered throw pillows, I became your best friend. Whenever
I was "bad," you'd shake your finger at me and ask "How could you?" -
but then you'd relent, and roll me over for a bellyrub.

My housebreaking took a little longer than expected, because you were
terribly busy, but we worked on that together. I remember those nights
of nuzzling you in bed and listening to your confidences and secret
dreams, and I believed that life could not be any more perfect. We
went for long walks and runs in the park, car rides, stops for ice
cream (I only got the cone because "ice cream is bad for dogs," you
said), and I took long naps in the sun waiting for you to come home at
the end of the day.

Gradually, you began spending more time at work and on your career,
and more time searching for a human mate. I waited for you patiently,
comforted you through heartbreaks and disappointments, never chided
you about bad decisions, and romped with glee at your homecomings, and
when you fell in love.

She, now your wife, is not a "dog person" - still I welcomed her into
our home, tried to show her affection, and obeyed her. I was happy
because you were happy. Then the human babies came along and I shared
your excitement. I was fascinated by their pinkness, how they smelled,
and I wanted to mother them, too. Only she and you worried that I
might hurt them, and I spent most of my time banished to another room,
or to a dog crate. Oh, how I wanted to love them, but I became a
"prisoner of love."

As they began to grow, I became their friend. They clung to my fur and
pulled themselves up on wobbly legs, poked fingers in my eyes,
investigated my ears, and gave me kisses on my nose. I loved
everything about them and their touch - because your touch was now so
infrequent - and I would have defended them with my life if need be.

I would sneak into their beds and listen to their worries and secret
dreams, and together we waited for the sound of your car in the
driveway. There had been a time, when others asked you if you had a
dog, that you produced a photo of me from your wallet and told them
stories about me. These past few years, you just answered "yes" and
changed the subject. I had gone from being "your dog" to "just a dog,"
and you resented every expenditure on my behalf.
FIDONEWS 18-10 Page 23 5 Mar 2001

Now, you have a new career opportunity in another city, and you and
they will be moving to an apartment that does not allow pets. You've
made the right decision for your "family," but there was a time when I
was your only family.

I was excited about the car ride until we arrived at the animal
shelter. It smelled of dogs and cats, of fear, of hopelessness. You
filled out the paperwork and said "I know you will find a good home
for her." They shrugged and gave you a pained look. They understand
the realities facing a middle-aged dog, even one with "papers." You
had to pry your son's fingers loose from my collar as he screamed "No,
Daddy! Please don't let them take my dog!" And I worried for him, and
what lessons you had just taught him about friendship and loyalty,
about love and responsibility, and about respect for all life. You
gave me a goodbye pat on the head, avoided my eyes, and politely
refused to take my collar and leash with you. You had a deadline to
meet and now I have one, too.

After you left, the two nice ladies said you probably knew about your
upcoming move months ago and made no attempt to find me another good
home. They shook their heads and asked "How could you?"

They are as attentive to us here in the shelter as their busy
schedules allow. They feed us, of course, but I lost my appetite days
ago. At first, whenever anyone passed my pen, I rushed to the front,
hoping it was you - that you had changed your mind - that this was all
a bad dream...or I hoped it would at least be someone who cared,
anyone who might save me. When I realized I could not compete with the
frolicking for attention of happy puppies, oblivious to their own
fate, I retreated to a far corner and waited.

I heard her footsteps as she came for me at the end of the day, and I
padded along the aisle after her to a separate room. A blissfully
quiet room. She placed me on the table and rubbed my ears, and told me
not to worry. My heart pounded in anticipation of what was to come,
but there was also a sense of relief. The prisoner of love had run out
of days. As is my nature, I was more concerned about her. The burden
which she bears weighs heavily on her, and I know that, the same way I
knew your every mood.

She gently placed a tourniquet around my foreleg as a tear ran down
her cheek. I licked her hand in the same way I used to comfort you so
many years ago. She expertly slid the hypodermic needle into my vein.
As I felt the sting and the cool liquid coursing through my body, I
lay down sleepily, looked into her kind eyes and murmured "How could
you?" Perhaps because she understood my dogspeak, she said "I'm so
sorry." She hugged me, and hurriedly explained it was her job to make
sure I went to a better place, where I wouldn't be ignored or abused
or abandoned, or have to fend for myself - a place of love and light
so very different from this earthly place. And with my last bit of
energy, I tried to convey to her with a thump of my tail that my "How
could you?" was not directed at her. It was you, My Beloved Master, I
was thinking of. I will think of you and wait for you forever.

May everyone in your life continue to show you so much loyalty.

FIDONEWS 18-10 Page 24 5 Mar 2001

The End

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A note from the author: If "How Could You?" brought tears to your eyes
as you read it, as it did to mine as I wrote it, it is because it is
the composite story of the millions of formerly owned pets who die
each year in America's shelters.

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GETTING TECHNICAL
=================================================================

`How to make a FILE_ID.DIZ'

Firstly, for those not sure just what that is, it's a description of a
file entered by the author, and importable by the majority of BBS
softwares of today, right into the sysop's filebase. No more
mis-described files!

The 'DIZ' file is straight ascii text that is added to the archive and
the text will be used by most systems to replace any other description
that may be in the filebase. The name must be 'FILE_ID.DIZ'.

Format:

By proper use, should be no more than 10 lines with each line no more
than 45 characters. There should be no blank lines, characters other
than A-Z, 0-9, or common punctuation. Some softwares will improperly
display a 'DIZ' if these rules are not followed although many systems
can adapt to color codes specific to their software or handle more
lines.

Common Standards:

The first line or two of the 'DIZ' normally repeats the name of the
file (such as FNEWSH10.ZIP) and a brief description or version.

If a file is to be split into 2 or more parts when hatched, the common
standard is to add in the first two lines, the comment '1 of 2' then
in each successive file, '2 of 2' etc.

Successive lines (up to 10) are then used to more fully describe the
product.

Example:

Text of a FILE_ID.DIZ

FIDONEWS issue 05 March, 2001 Send submissions to Warren Bonner
1. Election results- R13
2. Cat maims Philip Lozier- News at 11
3. Late results- R13 holds new election
4. Fidonews, Does it really exist?
5. Techie Notes- DIZ's
6. M00se on the loose! xx ex'ed!
7. Late note: Z1C appoints temp RC13, Election pending, region
in mourning

Grin, that was fun to make up! But shows the essense of a FILE_ID.DIZ
format.

Now there are softwares which can assist in making a 'DIZ' format
FIDONEWS 18-10 Page 26 5 Mar 2001

file. One I found is called S_IDM110.ZIP. I downloaded it from
www.doorgames.org. It allows for things outside the 'pure
specifications' for those who desire to do so. No promises that a
particular BBS will be able to READ those extra items, but at 5$ it's
a nifty little tool!

Primary resource used for information: Richard Holler's FILEID.TXT
version 1.7.

xxcarol

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POET'S CORNER
=================================================================

by Rachel P. Veraa
Blue Glove

Waiting for the soup du jour
He don't love me any more.
How in hell can I endure
Waiting for the soup du jour.

I hold the glove -- his glove --
by a fingertip,
swinging in time to the music.

A puerile tenor whines his loss
to empathetic guitars and dobros.
A grumpy drunken drum concurs.

Waiting for the soup du jour
He don't love me any more.
How in hell can I endure
Waiting for the soup du jour.

The glove held to my nose,
I inhale an intimation of his skin,
a faint sweaty accent upon the leather.

Where did we go that he wore gloves?
Nowhere that I recall.
It's lain forsaken in my purse
since god knows when.

Dropped in there,
anticipating this night,
Dropped to remind me
of where we never went,
of where I'll never go
with him.

Waiting for the soup du jour
He don't love me any more.
How in hell can I endure
Waiting for the soup du jour.

Guitar and dobro moan in plagal cadence.
The glove suspended by a fingertip,
Its palm turned away from me,
Makes an obscene gesture

That seems appropriate.

-- Copyright 1997 by Rachel P Veraa

FIDONEWS 18-10 Page 28 5 Mar 2001

For a reallllly great web site please visit:

http://www.netside.net/~rveraa/

Take the time to look through thoroughly... verrry nice.

Ol'wdb

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HUMOR
=================================================================

The father of five children had won a toy at a raffle.
He called his kids together to ask which one should have
the present.

"Who is the most obedient?" he asked.

"Who never talks back to mother?

Who does everything she says?"

Five small voices answered in unison.

"Okay, dad, you get the toy."

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By: Matt Mc_Carthy
FAST CAT's
My daughter's cat had the habit of sleeping on the large marble top
table that held her dead 32" TV. One day, I got it working, and dozed
in the easy chair waiting for her to come home from work. Meanwhile,
the cat had resumed his nap in front of the TV. When daughter came
home, I hit the remote ON, the picture tube charged up, and charged
the cat with one loud POP! Cat and fur went EVERYWHERE. Cat has
never since walked on the same side of the room as the TV! <BEG>

M. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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QUESTION OF THE WEEK
=================================================================

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How About A Spring Picnic?

All Regions in all Zones: How about a Spring Picnic??? Is it a viable
possibility? SoCal has had two such picnics that were most enjoyable.
If each region would select a Picnic coordinator that would get the
fun on the road to success.

SoCal `Mile Square' Picnic again this year? Good Idea, right as rain!
That could bring everyone together again for camaraderie and a gentle
workshop to talk over variables in today's equation with the merging
technologies, and get a warm handshake even among adversaries. Renew
old and make new acquaintances.

And when the spring rains depart, Easter around the corner, Mothers
opening up their windows in a flurry of "spring cleaning", and Dads
soon resetting the clocks forward an hour, etc... 'Tiz time to start
thinking of a date that would please as many as possible. It should
be a weekend after Easter (April 15th) in my opinion as the weather
will be ideal, not too warm and not too cool. A suggestion from last
picnic was for more lead time for all to plan ahead, that is the
reason for this question article. Let me hear from all of you please.

I can certainly do that four gallon "TexUS ChiLLi"<TM> recipe of mine
again. (It must be good 'cause there isn't any left in the pot after
each of 4 picnics. *^)) (Had to brag a little). I'll bring a gallon of
my special salsa also. Others need to send me net/e-mails of their
specialities and contributions. Of coarse you can bring the whole
family!

Ol'wdb [email protected] or 1:1/23

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NOTICES
=================================================================

My bbs is on the internet and is telnettable and also httpable. It is,
of course, Linux and BBBS for linux. Give a look, 'telnet 24.0.151.4'.

Warren
| Warren Hrach, Moderator Fido Linux-user echo |
| BBBS and Linux lives here |
| BBS (619}224-4878 telnet/http, ask for add. |

--- BBBS/LiI v4.01 Flag-2
* Origin: Ocean Beach BBS, San Diego, Ca (1:202/745)

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FIDONET BY INTERNET
=================================================================

------------------------------------------------------
*Fidonet-related sites

. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
Last update: March 3, 2001

FidoNet
Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.r10.org
Net 102 http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Net 2410: http://www.vector.11.com/net2410/
Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org
Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
Region 15: <vacant>
Region 16: <vacant>
Region 17: http://www.region17.net
Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19
Net 124: http://www.dallasinet.com/net124
http://texoma.net/~flv
Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
FIDONEWS 18-10 Page 33 5 Mar 2001

REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5028: HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
Net 5074: http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

Zone 4:
Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
(Chinese)

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
time between when the message is received, and when it is
sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

v-email flag [email protected]
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| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
220/10 | [email protected] |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS | 33.6k | n/c
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3407/4 @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k |N/C
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
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382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

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Zone 4
801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c

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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* NFS = Linux Networking
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