F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 07 11 Feb 2001

F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 07 11 Feb 2001
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Table of Contents
1. HEADLINE ................................................. 1
* LIFE * ................................................. 1
2. CHAT WITH THE EDITOR ..................................... 2
<><><> EDITORIAL <><><> .................................. 2
3. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 3
><><>< Guest Editorial ><><>< ............................ 3
4. LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK ......................... 5
***Letter from Columbia*** ............................... 5
5. ARTICLES ................................................. 8
<>+<> ARTICLES <>+<> ..................................... 8
6. COLUMNS .................................................. 9
>+>+> Ol'WDB's Laments <+<+< ................. 9
7. RECIPES .................................................. 10
8. GETTING TECHNICAL ........................................ 13
-=+< TECHNOSTUFF >+=- .................................... 13
9. POET'S CORNER ............................................ 16
<<<* POET'S NOOK *>>> .................................... 16
10. HUMOR ................................................... 18
>+> HUMOR <+< ............................................ 18
11. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ....................... 22
>>>YOUR PLACE TO ADVERTISE<<< ............................ 22
12. NOTICES ................................................. 23
<<<<< NOTICES >>>>> ...................................... 23
13. FIDONET BY INTERNET ..................................... 24
14. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 29
***FIDONEWS INFORMATION*** ............................... 29
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HEADLINE
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Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have,
and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful
lest you let other people spend it for you.
--Carl Sandburg
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CHAT WITH THE EDITOR
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Okay fido folks, now is the time to become involved in the restoration
of fidonet policy. You have talked, cried, moaned and bitched about
it in echoes from "hell to breakfast" in past ten or so years. The
"ignore it completely" group cannot be right as that would leave us
with no discipline and structure. That would leave us like a dead
Christmas tree with node (ornaments) falling like autumn leaves. That
just must not come to be.

The "modify parts of it" group, (in my mind), have the best
opportunity right now to start some real constructive dialog. The
first thing in the business world would be to find a qualified person
to "Chair" the project and define it for all to be able to see a way
to reconstruct.

Also, that Chairperson could simultaneously develop a Zone One policy
that would dovetail and fit perfectly with the newly reconstructed
policy. All buildings, laws, policies, etc. need maintenance and
reconstruction after a decade of service; they too need service, a new
coat of paint after a good retrofit.

So that your efforts to contribute to this effort are visible to all,
thus helping others with their ideas and phraseology, I propose to
open a "Policy Reconstruction" section of Fidonews in future weekly
issues, for all to see submittals. All submittals would be addressed
to the Chairperson, and CC'd to editor at 1:1/23 or
[email protected] for the "PR section". This function of the
Snooze may help negate duplications and reflect changes already
proposed, as well as adding new proposals.

Since any changes to policy must be ratified by all Zones, and because
we are working in zone one, would not it be prudent for the Z1C to
appoint that "Chair-person"? Until that is accomplished in some
manner, there is no starting place. I urge all to read carefully
Frank's `Guest Editorial' this week. In fact I think Frank would be
an excellent Chairman!

JMHO-EDitor

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GUEST EDITORIAL
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From: "Frank Vest" <[email protected]>
To: "Warren Bonner" <[email protected]>
Subject: Article

It's a Zone Policy (or is it?)
By Frank Vest

The Echo is FIDOPOLS and the subject is a Zone Policy for Zone 1. Now,
I'm not the brightest kid on the block or anything like that, but I
have to wonder...

It would seem that an effort to create a Zone Policy would need a
format or outline. I've seen none of this so far. There has been some
proposals to take a Policy from other Regions or places and modify
that to fit in a Zone Policy. There's even been a proposal to modify
the Election "Rules" that were used in the previous Z1C Election and
make the Election portion of the Zone Policy out of them.

This begs the question from me of "How can there be progress on a
Policy if there is no format, outline, direction or starting place?".
It would seem that at least one of these need be present to proceed.
So far, I've seen discussion of P4. The effect of P4 on a Zone Policy.
Can there be a Zone Policy under P4. Removing P4. Re-writing or
creating a new P4. and some other discussion. Still, nothing that
resembles an outline for a Policy. Not even an outline or starting
place for a set of "Guidelines" for the Zone Policy.

What is sad as well is that I see only a few people posting in the
Echo. The few that are posting appear to represent the right and left
wing with little middle ground. Now, that paints a pretty bleak
picture, so let me say this. Those that are there seem to be willing
to compromise and work together towards a goal "IF" they had a goal,
starting place or some direction to work towards.

So, where is this going? Are the Nodes in Zone 1 going to get with
this Zone Policy writing, or is it just another area for the right and
left wings to battle over who's right and who's wrong? Without some
kind of outline of subjects to be discussed and worked on, this is
like playing basketball with 5+ balls. Which one do you run with?
Which one do you dribble now? Which goal should you be at to score?

Maybe we need a place for these sides to do battle in order to keep
them pacified and out of the hair of those that do the job of making
Fidonet work and function? I don't know. I wonder if the FIDOPOLS echo
is the place for this pacification? Again, I don't know. If this be
the case, I'm happy to give the echo to them and move on. I do know
that from what I see, and assuming that the FIDOPOLS Echo is for the
serious effort of writing something, "The wheels are spinning, but the
car ain't moving".

IMHO, Zone 1 needs to decide what this effort is for... Is it a Zone
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Policy? Is it a Fidonet (P4 replacement) Policy? _THEN_, in order to
start, decide *Why* is this being written and *What* will it do. Write
this down at the top of the "beta" document. Then start with P4 and go
section by section through it. Decide what needs to be explained or
clarified for a Zone Policy or what need to be changed for a Fidonet
(P4 replacement) Policy.

--
Frank

Fidonet - 1:124/6308.1
Web Page - http://texoma.net/~flv/

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LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK
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From: "David Gonzalez" <[email protected]>
To: "Warren Bonner" <[email protected]>
Subject: RV: FidoNet In South America.

Hi

I want to submit my article about the topic of being on an area where
FidoNet and BBSing is not very common and how can us sysops make our
systems more attractive to people. Your replies appreciated.

Hi!

I'm sort of a re-new Sysop can i call it because i had my BBS some
years ago but a crash on my Hard Disk made me quit it but now i'm back
on track, but when i restarted it surprised me the way things are
being done now. Telnet, Email, WebBBS, humm two years out and you're a
dumb oldie.

What i want to say is that here in Colombia as you may see on you fido
Nodelist (4:93/0, 4:930/0, 1) i'm the only SysOp around and even
though people is very unfamiliar with this kind of systems. they do
not know what TELNET or a BBS is unless they're studying computers or
Network management.

When i started my BBS in early 1995, Fido in South America was almost
dead and now it's even more, we don't even appear on www.fidonet.org
home page, what's going on?. When i asked for my node number i was
very enthusiastic about this and users were a few but they were
interested and called my system frequently.

Where i want to get with this is to make you think or better make US
think about how to keep our network from being left apart or letting
it die. It's true that Internet stole us many of our users and has
lots more of stuff you know Pictures, Fancy graphics, those millions
of programs, you know i personally used i to get my BBS software and
more but i still think a BBS is a more personal way to interact with
people and and there are many features that we can make available at
our systems and as Internet is so useful, let's get it to work for us,
we can make our systems available at a web page with that nasty JAVA
plug in (i haven't been able to do so yet, any help?) any many more
features that we can use as links to our systems, and more.

Please make this thoughts available to all of your users and yourself.
Think about this and give us sysops ideas on how to keep our beloved
network alive.

I expect all your comments at the FIDONEWS Echo or:

Please feel free to contact and me and _DO_ so, via e-mail at
[email protected] or [email protected] or net mail to 4:930/1
Ohhh, Telnet at telnet://skynetbbs.thebbs.org and also don't forget to
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visit my web page at http://skynetbbs.8m.com (soon in English).

David Gonzalez SysOp at SkyNet BBS 4:930/1 Bogota, Colombia.

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~~~~~~~~~Spanish version below ~~~~~~~~~~

From: "David Gonzalez" <[email protected]> To: "Warren Bonner"
<[email protected]> Subject: Fidonet en otros paises, No la dejemos
morir Fido in other coutries, let's not let it die" Date: Monday,
January 29, 2001 3:18 PM

Ok aqui va "Here it goes"

Hola!, sysops y amigos de Fido :)

Bien este mensaje es paraque sea publicado en las Noticias de Fido
"FidoNews" por peticion del Editor y como un incentivo y forma de
promover nuestra RED FidoNet ya que en los ultimos dias mejor a os nos
hemos dado cuenta que el numero de usuarios y mensajes en los Echos
hay cada vez menos usuarios usuarios.

Quiero publicar mi articulo sobre FidoNet en SurAmerica donde las
BBSes y FidoNet no son muy populares y sobre como nosotros los SysOps
podemos hacer nuestros sistemas mas atractivos para tener mas
usuarios.

Bien yo soy algo como un sysop reintegrado creo que asi debiera
llamarme, algunos a os atras tuve mi propia BBS, pero una desgracia en
mi dico duro me hizo renunciar, pero ahora estoy de nuevo en el
negocio. pero me sorprendio bastante lo que vi cuando intente
reconstruir mi sistema BBS via TELNET, WebBBS, e-mail, no puede ser 2
a os alejado te hacer un viejito tonto y obsoleto.

Bien a lo que quiero llegar con esto es a que bien aqui en Colombia
como lo,pueden ver en la Nodelist (4:93/0, 4:930/0 y 1) yo soy el
SysOp alrededor. y la gente por aqui no esta nada familiarisada con
esta clase de sistemas "Telnet, una BBS" a menos que sean estudiantes
de Sistemas, Consultores de red, YO mismo, o algo por estilo ;-S.

Cuando inicie mi BBS en 1995, Fido en Sur America estaba casi muerto y
ahora lo esta aun mas, ni si quiera aparecemos en la pagina de
www.fidonet.org apuesto a que lo han visto ustedes tambien, quiero
decir que pasa???, porque son las personas que manejan esta pagina tan
descuidados o es que ya por aca no hay ningun interes en la red?,
pongamonos las pilas :)

Cuando yo pedi mi numero a Luis Manterola el ZC4 estaba muy
entusiasmado con esto, aun que los usuarios eran pocos pero eran
frecuentes.

A donde quiro llegar con esto es a hacrlos o mejor hacernos pensar en
lo que podemos hacer para no dejar la red a un lado o aun peor dejarla
morir, no se la verdad que esta pasando con nosotros los miembros de
Fidonet?. es verdad que Internet es la red por excelencia, que tiene
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graficos fotos, esos millones de recursos y programas. yo
personalmente la uso para conseguir los aparatejos y programas para mi
BBS y mas, pero aun con todo esto me parece una red muerta donde nadie
excepto en un Chat o trabajando en grupo sabe que esta pasando quien
esta ahi o quien visita tu pagina, una BBS me parece un modo mucho mas
personal de interactuar con las demas personas, no lo creen asi?.

Y ahora hay muchas cosas en Internet que podemos usar, como Telnet,
hay tantas cosas y si Internet es tan popular pues tomemosla para
nosotros tambien, sabian que podemso hacer nuetros sistemas
disponibles sin necesidad de un cliente Telnet en el computador del
usuario?, Si es posible con un preque o diablillo de JAVA que permite
poner la BBS en una pagina de Internet tal cual. (yo no lo he podido
hacer funcionar, si alguin lo ha probado yo acepto una mano) y muchos
mas recursos como links directos a nuetros sistemas.

Porfavor como algo personal, hagan circular estos pensamientos por sus
sistemas y por la red en general, les doy total permiso de usar,
modificar, redistribuir, hacer lo que quieran con este documento, pero
eso si denme credito y hagan que quien lo lea me escriba, Ok :),
hagamos pensar y pensemos osotros mismos como mantener nueta amada red
viva.

Yo creo que eso seria lo que quisiera Mile Yennigs que hicieramos, no
la dejemos MORIR |'-)

Porfavor denme sus comentarios haganlos en el Echo de FIDONEWS o
escribanlos a [email protected], [email protected] netmail en
4:930/1, ahhh y lo olvidaba en telnet://skynetbbs.thebbs.org y
porfavor no olviden visitar mi pagina en Internet en el sitio
skynetbbs.8m.com.

Atentamente David Gonzalez sysop de SkyNet BBS la BBS pionera en
Colombia.

Gracias

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ARTICLES
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Wed 7 Feb 01 1:12p
By: David Gonzalez
To: All
Re: Spanish
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Hi ya there All!

Well unfortunately there's no Spanish edition of Fidonews for Us
sysops that are in countries where English is note very common. So i'd
like to coment about a Spanish Edition FidoNews for the Latin
community, and specially for Spain, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and the
rgion i'm NC Colombia the Newest region of Fidonet though here in
South America people are not very familiar or used to BBSing and our
ZC is not very Intrested on providing leadership in the Zone.

i'd like to submit my name as the new ZC or what can we do to make
Luis who i think is tired of Fidonet, how do we help him?.

Thanks

Best Regards David! Fidonet..: 4:930/1, 4:930/0, 4:93/0 e-mail...:
[email protected]
Home Page: hyttp://skynetbbs.8m.com
Telnet...: skynetbbs.thebbs.org
* Origin: SkyNet BBS Telnet:
skynetbbs.thebbs.org (FidoNet 4:930/1)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rough Time

"I had the toughest time of my life. First, I got angina pectoris and
then arteriosclerosis. Just as I was recovering fromthese, I got
tuberculosis, double pneumonia and phthisis. Then they gave me
hypodermics. Appendicitis was followed by tonsillectomy. These gaveway
to aphasia and hypertrophic cirrhosis. I completely lost my memory for
a while. I know I had diabetes and acute ingestion, besides gastritis,
rheumatism, lumbago and neuritis. I don't know how I pulled through
it.... It was the hardest spelling test I've ever had."

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COLUMNS
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-=+ CALIFORNIA +=-

Sunshine is guaranteed to the masses.

Animals are banned from mating publicly within 1,500 feet of a tavern,
school, or place of worship.

In Baldwin Park, nobody is allowed to ride a bicycle in a swimming
pool.

In Belvedere, there is a City Council order which reads: "No dog shall
be in a public place without its master on a leash."

In Blythe, you are not permitted to wear cowboy boots unless you
already own at least two cows.

In Chico, detonating a nuclear device within the city limits results
in a $500 fine.

In Los Angeles, you may not hunt moths under a street light and toads
may not be licked.

In Pacific Grove, molesting butterflies can result in a $500 fine.

In San Francisco, persons classified as "ugly" may not walk down any
street.

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RECIPES
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From: "Frank Vest" <[email protected]>
To: "Warren Bonner" <[email protected]>

It's a Recipe, sort of
By Frank Vest

I've noticed Carol's recipes in the Snooze. I'm not going to try to
compete with her, but here's a little something that is better than
nothing. :)

There is a time when we are all single. In this time, fast-food was/is
probably our mainstay for nourishment. I went through it and it was ok
but I often wanted more. Burgers and Pizza only go so far. :)

Here we go:

Chili

Get prepared. If you dont already have it, go to the store and get the
following:

1 can - "Ranch Style Beans" 1 half pound hamburger meat
1 small onion Small container of chili powder
Crackers or Fritos(r) <optional>

In worst case, raid mom... that's what she's there for. :-))

Chop the onion into small pieces.

Now, in a skillet or whatever you have that will cook stuff on a
stove, brown the hamburger meat with the onion and chili powder to
taste. This isn't that hard, just turn the stove on, put the meat and
however much of the onion and chili powder (be easy with the chili
powder, a little goes a long way) you think you'll want in the pan and
stir with a fork till it's in small bits and not red anymore. Drain
the grease off of it into whatever container you have that you will
throw away.

Next, open the beans and pour them into the pan with the meat and
onion. Get a bigger pan if you need. Fill the can with water about
half way and swish it to get the rest of the sauce dissolved. Put that
in the pan as well. (just the contents of the can, not the can :)

Now, heat this whole mess up while stirring. You might need to add
some water to thin it out a little. If you get too much water, cook it
a little while till the water evaporates. Be careful to not burn the
stuff by getting the heat too high. Keep it stirred.

You can eat this straight, put it over the "Fritos(r), crackers or
however you like.

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If it's not good, blame mom for not asking you over for dinner. :)

-- Frank

Fidonet - 1:124/6308.1 Web Page - http://texoma.net/~flv/

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By: Carol Shenkenberger, Shenk's Express (275/100)
To: Warren Bonner
Re: Recipes
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Here are both. Remind me next month to start with 'Sashimi Bass
Sings from the Sea' if that's not used already.

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

Title: Magic Leeks!
Categories: Appetizers, Diabetic, Low-fat, Vegetables, Xxcarol
Yield: 6 Servings

2 ea Whole bunches of leeks
1 tb Soy sauce (shoyu)
1 tb Worstershire sauce
Olive oil, light drizzle
1 ts Black pepper
1 ts Salt

Ok, chop them washed leeks up. Get all the dirt out. Now mix the
seasonings (sans oil) and put that in a reclosable baggie. Shake'em
up and down (or side to side if you prefer). Add a drizzle of olive
oil to a pan and either fry them tender, or bake at 350 degrees for 20
mins. Dont let them get cold or the magic leeks out!

Suitable as a side dish to anything that would be complemented by
onions. Nice little 'knosh' all by themselves on a late night for a
dieter.

From the kitchen of xxcarol

MMMMM

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

Title: Shrimply Fiesta Feta
Categories: Seafood, Xxcarol, Main dish
Yield: 6 Servings

1 bn Watercress
2 c Orange slices
36 ea Shrimp,deveined shelled cook
1 1/2 c Thin sliced red onion
3 ea Hard boiled eggs, quartered
3/4 c Crumbled feta cheese
1 tb Dijon mustard
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1/4 c Fresh coriander leaves
3 tb Lemon juice
2 tb Red wine vinigar
6 tb Olive oil

Put the watercress about the plate, then arrange alternating orange
slices and shrimp. Put the onions over the plate and then the cooked
eggs. Sprinkle with feta and coriander leaves. Mix the rest in a
shaker and pour over salad before serving. A dash of tabasco on top
makes it perfect!

This is a spicy dish and best served for lunch, with a mild soup
starter such as corn/squash chowder and some old fashioned cold or hot
tea.

From the kitchen of: xxcarol

MMMMM

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GETTING TECHNICAL
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By: Carol Shenkenberger
To: Warren Bonner
Re: Fidonews Submission
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10 February 2001

FAQ on IP Connectivity Nodelistings
Reference: FTS-5001.001 and FTS-5000.001

Written with assistance from David Hallford,
FTSC Nodelist working group member

Let me first smile and say I'm not re-writing the Fidonet
Technical Standards, but merely trying to assist with
questions I've seen on implementation of them. Sometimes,
they just aren't as understandable as the Fidonet Technical
Standards Committee intended.

Lets start with the basics. The nodelist has a specific
format. You can't vary off that in some aspects or it will
fail to process. That can cause a node, hub segment, net
segment, region, or even a whole Zone to fail to process
depending on where it fails. YIKES!! Lets not go there ok?

The first field of interest for a sysop with IP
connectivity, is the 3rd one where the BBSname is
traditionally entered. For an IP node, this is the 'system
address' space. You list it but once here in the preferred
mode if at all possible. You can also list the IP address
or an email address if that's preferred.

The problem for most NC's is that it's never really 'clear'
how the samples and flags work in conjunction. Thats
probably because there are many variations.

Below is a sample for BINKP/TELNET/FTP type entries.

Sample:

,100,[email protected],Virgina_Beach_VA,Carol_Shenkenberger,
(etc).

In that case, [email protected] is a `DNS lookup' address
for the IP number.

If the site has a POTS line as well, list it as normal. If
they do not, use -Unpublished- for the phone field, mark
them PVT, and enter 300 for the baud rate. Among the flags,
enter those which are applicable, omitting those that do not
apply.

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Sample:

(ION)
,300,CM,IBN,ITN,IFT
(With POTS and IP)
,28800,CM,XA,V32B,V42B,VFC,IBN,ITN,IFT

While I dont see anyone using it, I could also just plug in
the IP address there if it was STATIC.

Sample:

,100,24.0.0.1,Virginia_Beach_VA,Carol_Shenkenberger, (etc)

Although controversial at this time, a static IP address can
also be put in the phone number field by replacing the "."
with a "-" and prefacing it with 000.

Sample:

,100,Shenk's_Express,Virginia_Beach_VA,
Carol_Shenkenberger,000-24-0-0-1,300,

The other flags would be the same. Note, do NOT use this if
the IP address isnt static! Even the 'gee seldom changes'
folks should use the DNS version.

If I used just email attachments, I'd enter my email
address instead.

Sample:

,100,[email protected],Virginia_Beach_VA,Carol_Shenkenberger,
(etc).

Then add the email version IP flags which fit my setup.

Sample:

(ION)
,300,CM,ITX,IUC,IMI
(With POTS and IP)
,28800,CM,XA,V32B,V42B,VFC,ITX,IUC,IMI

Now lets say you do both methods. FTP or variation, and
email attachment type and want to list both. It can be done.
Be careful on field length as each flag must be 32
characters max including the flag! The total line must be
157 characters or less.

Sample:

,100,[email protected],Virginia_Beach_VA,Carol_Shenkenberger,
1-757-486-3064,28800,CM,XA,V32B,V42B,IFT,ITX:[email protected]

Note that on the IFT portion I did not need to relist the
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address. If '[email protected]' resolved to an IP address
also capable of BINKP, I would add IBN. If it also
connected to TELNET, I'd add ITN. Only ITX (email
attachment TransX) required additional information be
listed.

I hope this helps pull things together for people!
xxcarol

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POET'S CORNER
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IT COULDN'T BE DONE

Somebody said that it couldn't be done,
But he with a chuckle replied
That "maybe it couldn't," but he would be one
Who wouldn't say no till he'd tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn't be done, and he did it.

Somebody scoffed: "Oh, you'll never do that;
At least no one ever has done it";
But he took off his coat and he took off his hat,
And the first thing we knew he'd begun it.
With a lift of his chin and a bit of a grin,
Without any doubting or quiddit,
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn't be done, and he did it.

There are thousands to tell you it cannot be done,
There are thousands to prophesy failure;
There are thousands to point out to you, one by one,
The dangers that wait to assail you.
But just buckle in with a bit of a grin,
Just take off your coat and go to it;
Just start to sing as you tackle the thing
That "cannot be done," and you'll do it.

Edgar A. Guest

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MYSELF

I have to live with myself, and so
I want to be fit for myself to know,
I want to be able, as days go by,
Always to look myself straight in the eye;
I don't want to stand, with the setting sun,
And hate myself for things I have done.

I don't want to keep on a closet shelf
A lot of secrets about my self,
And fool myself, as I come and go,
Into thinking that nobody else will know
The kind of a man I really am;
I don't want to dress up myself in sham.

I want to go out with my head erect,
I want to deserve all men's respect;
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But here in the struggle for fame and pelf
I want to be able to like myself.
I don't want to look at myself and know
That I'm bluster and bluff and empty show.

I can never hide myself from me;
I see what others may never see;
I know what others may never know,
I never can fool myself, and so,
Whatever happens, I want to be
Self-respecting and conscience free.

Edgar A. Guest

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HUMOR
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A man decided to get his wife a dozen roses and take them home to her
after work. The minute he opened the door, his wife screamed, "This
is the worst day that I have ever had in my entire life! The kids
have been terrible. They spilled the dog dish, ran water over in the
bathtub, got in a food fight, hid my slippers, put soap flakes in the
spa, broke off a sprinkler head making a geyser into the open car
window, put my ink pad on my computer seat where I sat on it, strewed
my piano sheet music all over the music room, sucked up the fireplace
hot embers into the vacuum cleaner which caught fire, then knocked
down the wood pile putting out the fire, the fire alarms are screaming
AND NOW YOU'VE GOT THE NERVE TO COME HOME DRUNK!"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A Russian cosmonaut has an emergency during his reentry
into earth's atmosphere and his space craft crash lands in
the Australian bush, way out in the middle of nowhere.

After what seems like an eternity, he wakes up in a bush hospital
clinic, very rustic, dirty, with foul smells and he is really
bandaged from head to foot. He sees a very large, somewhat
gruff looking nurse approaching him as he lay in his cot.

"Did I come here to die?" he says with a deep sense of
resignation and fear.

"No," the Aussie nurse replies, "You came here yesterdie.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A dietitian was once addressing a large audience in Chicago:

"The material we put into our stomachs is enough to have killed most
of us sitting here, years ago. Red meat is awful. Soft drinks erode
your stomach lining. Chinese food is loaded with MSG. Vegetables can
be disastrous, and none of us realizes the long-term harm caused by
the germs in our drinking water.

"But there is one thing that is the most dangerous of all -- and we
all have, or will at some point, eat it. "Can anyone here tell me what
food it is that causes the most grief and suffering for years after
eating it?"

A 75-year-old man in the front row stood up and said, "Wedding cake."

~~~~~~~~~~~SMILE~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HOW TO SHOWER LIKE A WOMAN:

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1. Take off clothing and place it in sectioned
laundry hamper according to lights and darks.

2. Walk to bathroom wearing long dressing gown.
If you see your husband along the way, cover up
any exposed areas.

3. Look at your womanly physique in the mirror -
make mental note * must do more sit-ups.

4. Get in the shower. Use face cloth, arm cloth, leg
cloth, long loofah, wide loofah and pumice stone.

5. Wash your hair once with Cucumber and Sage
shampoo with 43 added vitamins.

6. Wash your hair again to make sure it's clean.

7. Condition your hair with Grapefruit Mint
conditioner enhanced with natural avocado oil.
Leave on hair for fifteen minutes.

8. Wash your face with crushed apricot facial scrub
for ten minutes until red.

9. Wash entire rest of body with Ginger Nut and
Jaffa Cake body wash.

10. Rinse conditioner off hair (you must make sure
that it has all come off).

11. Shave armpits and legs. Consider shaving bikini
area but decide to get it waxed instead.

12. Scream loudly when your husband flushed the
toilet and you lose the water pressure.

13. Turn off the shower.

14. Squeegee off all wet surfaces in shower. Spray
mold spots with Tilex.

15. Get out of shower. Dry with towel the size of a
small country. Wrap hair in super absorbent second
towel.

16. Check entire body for the remotest sign of a
zit, tweeze hairs.

17. Return to bedroom wearing long dressing gown and
towel on head.

18. If you see your husband along the way, cover up
any exposed areas and then sashay to bedroom to spend
and hour and a half getting dressed.

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HOW TO SHOWER LIKE A MAN:
1. Take off clothes while sitting on the edge of the
bed and leave them in a pile.

2. Walk naked to the bathroom. If you see your wife
along the way, shake wiener at her making the 'woo woo'
sound.

3. Look at your manly physique in the mirror and suck in your
gut to see if you have pecs (no). Admire the size of your
wiener in the mirror and scratch your ass.

4. Get in the shower.

5. Don't bother to look for a washcloth (you don't
use one).

6. Wash your face.

7. Wash your armpits.

8. Blow your nose in your hands, then let the water
just rinse it off.

9. Crack up at how loud your fart sounds in the
shower.

10. Majority of time is spent washing your privates
and surrounding area.

11. Wash your butt leaving those coarse butt hairs
on the soap bar.

12. Shampoo your hair (do not use conditioner).

13. Make a shampoo Mohawk.

14. Peek out of shower curtain to look at yourself
in the mirror again.

15. Pee (in the shower).

16. Rinse off and get out of the shower. Fail to
notice water on the floor because you left the curtain
hanging out of the tub the whole time.

17. Partially dry off.

18. Look at yourself in the mirror, flex muscles,
admire wiener size again.

19. Leave shower curtain open and wet bath mat on
the floor.

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20. Leave bathroom fan and light on.

21. Return to the bedroom with towel around your
waist. If you pass your wife, pull off the towel, shake
wiener at her, and make the 'woo woo' sound again.

22. Throw wet towel on the bed. Take 2 minutes to
get dressed.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A dad walks into a market followed by his ten-year-old son. The kid
is spinning a 25 cent piece in the air and catching it between his
teeth.

As they walk through the market, someone bumps into the boy at
just the wrong moment and the coin goes straight into his mouth and
lodges in his throat. He immediately starts choking, going blue in
the face, and Dad starts panicking, shouting for help.

A well dressed middle-aged, moderately attractive but serious
woman in a blue business suit is sitting at a coffee bar in the market
reading her newspaper and sipping a cup of coffee.

At the sound of the commotion, she looks up, puts her coffee cup
down on the saucer, neatly folds her newspaper and places it on the
counter.

Then she gets up from her seat and makes her unhurried way across
the market.

Reaching the boy, the woman carefully takes hold of the boy's
testicles and squeezes gently at first and then ever more firmly.
After a few seconds the boy convulses violently and coughs up the 25
cent piece, which the woman deftly catches in her free hand.

Releasing the boy, the woman hands the coin to the father and
walks back to her seat in the coffee bar without saying a word. As
soon as he is sure

that his son has suffered no lasting ill-effects, the father
rushes over to the woman and starts effusively thanking her saying,
"I've never seen anybody do anything like that -- it was fantastic.
Are you a doctor?"

"Good heavens, no," the woman replies. "I'm a divorce attorney."

~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~

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ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
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Advertise your FREE service, events, etc. Submissions are wanted.

ED.
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NOTICES
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By: Carol Shenkenberger
To: All
Re: R11 Vote- Results
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8 February, 2001

Region 11 RC vote- Results

The vote by the sysops in Region 11 for the Regional Coordinator
concluded at 11:59PM 7 February 2001. This was done in accordance
with the regional policy as written and accepted by the sysops in R11.
The term per their policy is until February 2003.

The RC choice of the region is now officially Gary Gilmore, who has
been serving as a temporarily appointed one until an election could be
held.

As the election coordinator for R11, I hereby announce the formal
conclusion of the election and request the Z1C accept the results and
make such formal posts as are deemed needful.

xxcarol
Carol Shenkenberger
R11 Election Coordinator

--- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4
*Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100)

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also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

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Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
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106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
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246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
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342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS | 33.6k | n/c
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2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3407/4 @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
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221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k |N/C
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
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