F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 53 25 Dec 2000

F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 53 25 Dec 2000
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*+*+*+*+*+* CHRISTMAS EDITION *+*+*+*+*+*+*
Happy Holidays to all sysops in Fidoland!

Table of Contents
1. HEADLINE ................................................. 1
*****HEADLINE***** ....................................... 1
2. CHAT WITH EDITOR ......................................... 3
-+-+-+EDITORIAL+-+-+- .................................... 3
3. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 7
+++LETTERS+++ ............................................ 7
4. ARTICLES ................................................. 9
***ARTICLES of INTEREST*** ............................... 9
5. OL'WDB'S COLUMN .......................................... 11
*Ol'WDB's COLUMN* ........................................ 11
6. TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET .................................. 13
*TRUE SHORT STORIES* ..................................... 13
7. FACTS IN HISTORY ......................................... 17
-=+HISTORY of Armadillo+=- ............................... 17
8. RECIPES .................................................. 18
-=+Recipes+=- ............................................ 18
9. GETTING TECHNICAL ........................................ 21
*[Getting Technological Help]* ........................... 21
10. POET'S CORNER ........................................... 25
POETS CORNER ............................................. 25
11. HUMOR ................................................... 26
A FUNNY THING ............................................ 26
12. COMIX IN ASCII .......................................... 28
***CHRISTMAS CARD*** ..................................... 28
13. WANTED .................................................. 29
*****WANTED***** ......................................... 29
14. QUESTION OF THE WEEK .................................... 30
THIS WEEK'S Question ..................................... 30
15. ANSWERS OF THE WEEK ..................................... 31
THIS WEEK'S Answer (18680) Wed 20 Dec 00 10:05p .......... 31
16. NOTICES ................................................. 32
~~~~~~~~~~NOTICE~~~~~~~~~~ ............................... 32
And more!
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HEADLINE
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-=+*MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR*+=-

For the New Year

Not Saving a Thing and I'm reading more and dusting less. I'm sitting
in the yard and admiring the view withhout fussing about the weeds in
the garden.

I'm spending more time with my family and friends and less time at
work.

Whenever possible, life should be a pattern of experiences to savor,
not to endure.

I'm trying to recognize these moments now and cherish them. I'm not
"saving" anything; we use our good china and crystal for every special
event such as losing a pound, getting the sink unstopped, or the first
Amaryllis blossom.

I wear my good blazer to the market. My theory is if I look
prosperous, I can shell out $28.49 for one small bag of groceries.

I'm not saving my good perfume for special parties, but wearing it for
clerks in the hardware store and tellers at the bank. "Someday" and
"One of these days" are losing their grip on my vocabulary. If it's
worth seeing or hearing or doing, I want to see and hear and do it
now.

I'm not sure what my cousins would've done had they known that they
wouldn't be here for the tomorrow that we all take for granted. I
think they would have called family members and a few close friends.

They might have called a few former friends to apologize and mend
fences for past squabbles. I like to think they would have gone out
for a Chinese dinner, or for whatever their favorite food was. I'm
guessing; I'll never know.

It's those little things left undone that would make me angry if I
knew my hours were limited. Angry because I hadn't written certain
letters that I intended to write one of these days. Angry and sorry
that I didn't tell my wife/husband and parents often enough how much I
truly love them.

I'm trying very hard not to put off, hold back, or save anything that
would add laughter and luster to our lives. And every morning when I
open my eyes, I tell myself that it is special. Every day, every
minute, every breath truly is a gift.

Take a few minutes to send this to a few people you care about,just to
let them know that you're thinking of them. People say true friends
must always hold hands, but true friends don't need to hold hands
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because they know the other hand will always be there."

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CHAT WITH EDITOR
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This editorial follows the opinions of Frank, Stewart and Lesley-Dee,
on who is responsiable....

By: Frank Vest
To: Stewart Honsberger
Re: simple things
_____________________________________________________________________
On (22 Dec 00) Stewart Honsberger wrote to Frank Vest...

Hello Stewart,

LDD>> Darrell didn't directly intervene. Kari brought it to the
attention of the "vocal" crowd in REG12, who immediately went into
action to try...(missing end of sentence).

FV>> How did he bring it to the attention of the "vocal crowd"?

SH> He told us in a supreme gesture of bravado to fsck ourselves, he
was outta there.

FV> Ok. I'll assume that you were in the Net that he was NC of?

LDD> to track down the nodes Kari was attempting to unilaterally
excommunicate. We, the vocal crowd in REG12, instructed Darrell that
Kari should not be allowed to excommunicate his nodes until such time
as their presence or absence was verified by someone else. Did Kari
say that he was excommunicating those Nodes?

SH> Quite plainly, IIRC.

I hope you recall correctly if you were in the affected Net. :-)

LDD> Submitting a nodelist seg that excommunicates nodes, or is
otherwise unacceptably inaccurate, will always lead to the region
demanding that the RC withhold the seg.

FV> True, if: The Nodes in the affected Net instruct the RC to
withhold the segment. False if: The Nodes in the affected Net don't
contact the RC.

SH> Completely false if: He cut their feed path, he cut their nodelist
access; he arbitrarily excommunicated them and didn't give them the
CHANCE of calling for help.

FV> They can/could still contact their RC via Crash Direct Netmail.

FV> From my perception of the way R12 and others that are arguing for
freedom and democracy here feel, any intrusion by an RC into the
workings (positive or negative) of a Net shouldn't happen.

SH> The belief in freedom does not force one to walk past a rape.
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FV> In using the arguments that I see in here a lot by both sides...
We were not talking about a rape.

SH> Personally, I'd protect the woman's right not to be sexually
violated, much like we (primarily those who were most proactive in
organizing feeds for the nodes) protected the rights of the sysops.

FV> Ah yes, but did the Sysops want that protection?

SH> In your above paragraph, you forget that the NC is just a clerk,
and has no power to make arbitrary descisions. Had he come to us with
a (missing ending).

FV> You forget that power can be perceived and arbitrary decisions
made based on that perceived power.

SH> message saying that he'd received confirmation from each and every
node in the net that they were shutting down simultaneously, we would
likely confirm it for ourselves, try to convince them to stick around,
and failing that, let it go. As for dissolving the net; after he
submits an entry without himself listed as NC, he no longer has
control of that net. He can't dissolve one of our nets without our
consent.

True, but the segment he submitted should have been honored since he
was the NC till that segment was processed... or the attempt to
process made.

FV> Did the Sysops in the affected Net ask for intervention, or was it
just the "vocal crowd"? If none in the Net cared enough to act, why
did the RC intervene? Isn't that wrong? I'm trying to understand.
Please forgive me, but Carl didn't state that anyone asked for
intervention. You didn't state if the affected Sysops asked or wanted
intervention. From my perception of the wishes of the sysops is the
intervention without being asked wrong?

SH> Intervention without being asked is most certainly not 'wrong',
atleast not in my eyes. The merger of R14+15 was stopped by the "vocal
crowd" all across zone 1 telling Mouf in no uncertain terms that it
wasn't going to happen.

FV> Ah... Now we get to it. If I remember right, R14 stepped in and
asked for help once they were notified of/realized the problem. From
the way this was sounding, the R12C intervened without being asked...
IOW, uninvited.

SH> Intervention to save one from his oppressor is a benefeit, not a
SH> hinderance.

FV> Only if the one wants to be saved.

FV> Thank you for your insight and opinion.

Regards,

Frank
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By: Carl Austin Bennett
To: Foxy Ferguson
Re: RE: simple things
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CAB> I'd imagine that anyone who'd choose to follow P4 to the letter
and avoid eeking a geographical exemption is stuck where they are due
to P4 itself.

FF> Wrong. Geographical exemptions have been allowed since P4 first
FF> went into effect (9th June, 1989, fyi). They are quite acceptable

CAB> Then why was R12 threatened with PCs for having nodelisted Ruth's
net?

FF> Ya'll's sysops "voted with their feet" and moved here, being (so I
believe) dissatisfied with the practices of R12, specifically that of
being dictated to as regards their mail links. All quite "legal" per
P4.

CAB> Dictated to as regards their mail links? That's news to me. I was
sure that some of us are feeding from out-of-region and bless my lucky
southern stars, I have no idea why anyone would've thought that it
wouldn't be allowed.

FF> your becoming the R12C is a telling measure of just how much ya'll
really *DO* acknowledge the existence of the organizational structure
delineated in P4. If ya'll were truly all =that= anti-P4, you would
not even HAVE a Region Coordinator. Nor Net Coordinators.

FF> We just put all those lines in our nodelists so that we don't get
mistaken for part of Region 11 by software which is following the
FTSC-0005 specifications.

FF> Once the sysops are fed up with me they'll just put Ruth or
someone else there.Even if that means a "sysop-level election" which
isn't anywhere in your P4.

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By: Lesley-Dee Dylan
To: Frank Vest
Re: simple things
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LD> Darrell didn't directly intervene. Kari brought it to the
attention of the "vocal" crowd in REG12, who immediately went into
action to try

FV> How did he bring it to the attention of the "vocal crowd"?

LDD> Kari made an annoucement in REG12 that he was doing it.

FV> Did Kari say that he was excommunicating those Nodes?

LDD> If the node suddenly disappears from the net, it is unable to
communicate - therefore it is excommunicated.

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FV> True, if: The Nodes in the affected Net instruct the RC to
FV> withhold the segment.

LDD> Kari didn't leave the nodes time to do that. He was their feed -
and he was constantly disrupting the feed of REG12 to and from his
downlinks - we would see evidence of it when a message would suddenly
appear with a 10-day-old time stamp. To give us time to contact the
nodes and ask them (since we didn't trust Kari), we asked Darrell to
delay processing that segment.

FV> From my perception of the way R12 and others that are arguing for
FV> freedom and democracy here feel, any intrusion by an RC into the
FV> workings (positive or negative) of a Net shouldn't happen.

LDD> No unilateral excommunication of nodes is tolerated in Region 12
by any NC or RC. The NC who wishes to be rid of a node (and it does
happen), does not excommunicate the node - s/he tosses the node up to
the RC to become a regional independent, or for the RC to find a new
net for him/her to join. Like was done to Jim Rysyk. By Policy 4,
there were more than enough grounds to excommunicate him
(counterfeiting mail - both in FN_SYSOP and in Netmail, where he used
Darren Whiteman's address to send hate-netmail to a non-existent user
(with my name) on my NC's system). He had also crashed the NC's
system repeatedly with defectively configured software, so the NC no
longer felt he should be obligated to provide him with the mandatory
nodediff and snooze. As a regional independent, no NC was obligated
to provide him with a feed, but he could attain a feed from anyone
willing to put up with him.

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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(18811) Thu 21 Dec 00 11:40a Rcvd: Fri 22 Dec 11:27a
By: Carol Shenkenberger
To: Warren Bonner
Re: Re: Congrats!
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*** Quoting Warren Bonner from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

CS> Snicker, silently, while no one was looking, we slipped in 2
female RC's, a female ZLC, and now the Z1C.. Now, lets play house <g>.
> xxcarol
WB> OK! 8^)) [chortle] Pretty slick how the boys got the girls to do
most of the work... huh? {Running for cover... heeheh}

CS> ARGH! So thats the plan! We keep the house and you guys get to
play! Harumpf!! (Stomping off, gotta go wash the nodelist...)

xxcarol

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(18608) Wed 20 Dec 00 12:35p
By: Lesley-Dee Dylan
To: All
Re: Seasons Greetings
St:
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All................

From me (the wishor) to you ("hereinafter called the wishee"). Please
accept without obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an
environmentally conscious, socially responsible, politically correct,
low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the winter
solstice holiday, practised within the most enjoyable traditions of
the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your
choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or
traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at all............. and a financially successful,
personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2001, but with due
respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures or sects, and
having regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability,
religious faith, choice of computer platform or dietary preference of
the wishee. By accepting this greeting you are bound by these terms
that:-
* This greeting is subject to further clarification or withdrawal.

* This greeting is freely transferable provided that no alteration
shall be made to the original greeting and that the proprietary rights
of the wishor are acknowledged.

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* This greeting implies no promise by the wishor to actually implement
any of the wishes.

* This greeting may not be enforceable in certain jurisdictions and/or
the restrictions herein may not be binding upon certain wishees in
certain jurisdictions and is revocable at the sole discretion of the
wishor.

* This greeting is warranted to perform as reasonably may be expected
within the usual application of good tidings, for a period of one year
or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever
comes first.

* The wishor warrants this greeting only for the limited replacement
of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the
wishor.

* Any references in this greeting to "the Lord", "Father Christmas",
"Our Saviour", or any other festive figures, whether actual or
fictitious, dead or alive, shall not imply any endorsement by or from
them in respect of this greeting, and all proprietary rights in any
referenced third party names and images are hereby acknowledged.
(That's what you get when your attorney/lawyer/solicitor draws up your
seasons greetings!)

Have a nice.......................whatever(?)

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ARTICLES
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By: mark lewis
To: Carl Austin Bennett
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AS>> And regardless of your reason for not voting,
AS>> don't forget, you have just lost your right
AS>> to complain until the next election.

CAB> So what happens if one of the sysops, for
CAB> whatever reason, isn't able to find any
CAB> candidate whom they support or which
CAB> reflects their individual viewpoint?

do you think that every election has everyone's support for every
candidate??? i (for one) can/will tell ya that i haven't agreed with
any candidates that have run for any office in all the years that i've
been a registered voter... here in fidonet, there's been many the time
that, just like on the "outside," one has to vote for someone/thing if
one wants to have _any_ voice in the subsequent proceedings...

if you don't vote, you can't bitch... it's plain and simple... those
of us who did vote have earned the right to bitch... anyone who didn't
vote is nothing but a whiner and hate monger... these aren't my
words... they've been around for a lot longer than i have...

)\/(ark

* Origin: (1:3634/12)

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By: mark lewis
To: Dale Ross
Re: simple things
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DR> If they made a concious decision not to vote they
DR> forfeited nothing. Declining to vote is a vote.

then they should have submitted and empty ballot... if they submitted
no ballot, then they _didn't_ vote... they just stood there scratchin'
their backsides and hampering those who did want to vote... even now,
they're still scratchin' their backsides only they don't know it and
they're trying to figure out where the smell is coming from...

)\/(ark

* Origin: (1:3634/12)
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From: "Mutha" <[email protected]>
To:[email protected]
Subject:Your Z1C election
Date: Friday, December 22, 2000 3:03 PM
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Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
Those who count the votes decide everything."
-- Joseph Stalin

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OL'WDB'S COLUMN
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Dalai Lama on 2001

This is what The Dalai Lama has to say to Ol'WDB on the millennium,
which begins 01/01/2001. All it takes is a few seconds to read and
think about.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Instructions for Life in the new millennium from the Dalai Lama:

1. Take into account that great love and great
achievements involve great risk.

2. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.

3. Follow the three Rs: Respect for self,
respect for others responsibility for all your actions.

4. Remember that not getting what you want is
sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck.

5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly.

6. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship.

7. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to
correct it.

8. Spend some time alone every day.

9. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values.

10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer.

11. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think
back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time.

12. A loving atmosphere in your home is the foundation for your life.

13. In disagreements with loved ones, deal only with the current
situation. Don't bring up the past.

14. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality.

15. Be gentle with the earth.

16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before.

17. Remember that the best relationship is one in which your love for
each other exceeds your need for each other.

18. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it.
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19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.

20. And lastly, Never argue with Foxy... you will lose! 8^)

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TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET
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The Warmth of a Smile

This is a good story, please read it all the way through.

I am a mother of three (ages 14,12, 3) and have recently completed my
college degree. The last class I had to take was Sociology. The
teacher was absolutely inspiring with the qualities that I wish every
human being had been graced with.

Her last project of the term was called "Smile." The class was asked
to go out and smile at three people and document their reactions.

I am a very friendly person and always smile at everyone and say hello
anyway, so, I thought this would be a piece of cake, literally. Soon
after we were assigned the project, my husband, youngest son, and I
went out to McDonald's one crisp March morning. It was just our way
of sharing special play time with our son.

We were standing in line, waiting to be served, when all of a sudden
everyone around us began to back away, and then even my husband did. I
did not move an inch...an overwhelming feeling of panic welled up
inside of me as I turned to see why they had moved.

As I turned around I smelled a horrible "dirty body" smell, and there
standing behind me were two poor homeless men. As I looked down at
the short gentleman, close to me, he was "smiling". His beautiful sky
blue eyes were full of God's Light as he searched for acceptance.

He said,"Good day" as he counted the few coins he had been clutching.
The second man fumbled with his hands as he stood behind his friend. I
realized the second man was mentally deficient and the blue eyed
gentleman was his salvation. I held my tears as I stood there with
them.

The young lady at the counter asked him what they wanted. He said,
"Coffee is all Miss" because that was all they could afford. (If they
wanted to sit in the restaurant and warm up, they had to buy
something. He just wanted to be warm).

Then I really felt it - the compulsion was so great I almost reached
out and embraced the little man with the blue eyes. That is when I
noticed all eyes in the restaurant were set on me, judging my every
action. I smiled and asked the young lady behind the counter to give
me two more breakfast meals on a separate tray.

I then walked around the corner to the table that the men had chosen
as a resting spot. I put the tray on the table and laid my hand on the
blue eyed gentleman's cold hand. He looked up at me, with tears in
his eyes, and said, "Thank you." I leaned over, began to pat his hand
and said, "I did not do this for you. God is here working through me
to give you hope."
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I started to cry as I walked away to join my husband and son. When I
sat down my husband smiled at me and said, "That is why God gave you
me, Honey. To give me hope." We held hands for a moment and at that
time we knew that only because of the Grace that we had been given
were we able to give. We are not church goers, but we are believers.
That day showed me the pure Light of God's sweet love.

I returned to college, on the last evening of class, with this story
in hand. I turned in "my project" and the instructor read it. Then she
looked up at me and said, "Can I share this?" I slowly nodded as she
got the attention of the class. She began to read and that is when I
knew that we as human beings and being part of God, share this need to
heal people and be healed.

In my own way I had touched the people at McDonald's, my husband,
son, instructor, and every soul that shared the classroom on the last
night I spent as a college student. I graduated with one of the
biggest lessons I would ever learn: UNCONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE. Much
love and compassion is sent to each and every person who may read this
and learn how to LOVE PEOPLE AND USE THINGS - NOT LOVE THINGS AND USE
PEOPLE.

If you think this story has touched you in any way, please send this
to everyone you know. Many people will walk in and out of your life,
but only true friends will leave footprints in your heart. To handle
yourself, use your head, To handle others, use your heart. Keep this
going.

Sharon Weston

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Holiday Eating Tips:

The below was written by Craig Wilson, USA TODAY

I hate this time of year. Not for its crass commercialism and forced
frivolity, but because it's the season when the food police come out
with their wagging fingers and annual tips on how to get through the
holidays without gaining 10 pounds.

You can't pick up a magazine without finding a list of holiday eating
do's and don'ts. Eliminate second helpings, high-calorie sauces and
cookies made with butter, they say. Fill up on vegetable sticks, they
say.

Good grief. Is your favorite childhood memory of Christmas a carrot
stick? I didn't think so. Isn't mine, either. A carrot was something
you left for Rudolph.

I have my own list of tips for holiday eating. I assure you, if you
follow them, you'll be fat and happy. So what if you don't make it to
New Year's? Your pants won't fit anymore, anyway.

1. About those carrot sticks. Avoid them. Anyone who puts carrots on a
holiday buffet table knows nothing of the Christmas spirit. In fact,
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if you see carrots, leave immediately. Go next door, where they're
serving rum balls.

2. Drink as much eggnog as you can. And quickly. Like fine single-malt
scotch, it's rare. In fact, it's even rarer than single-malt scotch.
You can't find it any other time of year but now. So drink up! Who
cares that it has 10,000 calories in every sip? It's not as if you're
going to turn into an eggnogaholic or something. It's a treat. Enjoy
it. Have one for me. Have two. It's later than you think. It's
Christmas!

3. If something comes with gravy, use it. That's the whole point of
gravy. Gravy does not stand alone. Pour it on. Make a volcano out of
your mashed potatoes. Fill it with gravy. Eat the volcano. Repeat.

4. As for mashed potatoes, always ask if they're made with skim milk
or whole milk. If it's skim, pass. Why bother? It's like buying a
sports car with an automatic transmission.

5. Do not have a snack before going to a party in an effort to control
your eating. The whole point of going to a Christmas party is to eat
other people's food for free. Lots of it. Hello? Remember college?

6. Under no circumstances should you exercise between now and New
Year's. You can do that in January when you have nothing else to do.
This is the time for long naps, which you'll need after circling the
buffet table while carrying a 10-pound plate of food and that vat of
eggnog.

7. If you come across something really good at a buffet table, like
frosted Christmas cookies in the shape and size of Santa, position
yourself near them and don't budge. Have as many as you can before
becoming the center of attention. They're like a beautiful pair of
shoes. You can't leave them behind. You're not going to see them
again.

8. Same for pies. Apple. Pumpkin. Mincemeat. Have a slice of each. Or,
if you don't like mincemeat, have two apples and one pumpkin. Always
have three. When else do you get to have more than one dessert? Labor
Day?

9. Did someone mention fruitcake? Granted, it's loaded with the
mandatory celebratory calories, but avoid it at all cost. I mean, have
some standards, mate.

10. And one final tip: If you don't feel terrible when you leave the
party or get up from the table, you haven't been paying attention.
Reread tips. Start over.

But hurry! Cookieless January is just around the corner ...

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FACTS IN HISTORY
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By: Mike Luther
To: Michael Grant
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You betcha Mike!

MG> Armadillo's burrow, don't they? So long as they can
MG> get down three feet deep, below the frost, they'll be
MG> ok..

MG> The gophers won't like it, but Saskatchabush is a big province.

Dig? Just *TRY* to hold on to one by the tail and pull it out of the
hole! Now as to how deep, you know with the tons of the fool things
around here,I've never tried to determine the hole depth! They can do
more damage to a nice lawn in one night than ten times their weight in
gophers!

They have one other endearing quality! They are the only other animal
than man, that I know of, that can host Human Leprosy! There is a
statistically positive coefficient of coorelation in a rise in Leprosy
in folks whose diet has had a regular dose of Hoover Hog.. That's the
Great Depression nickname for 'em!

Mike @ 117/3001
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RECIPES
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Title: Sour Creamed Pot Roast
Categories: Bacon, Beef, Main dish, Pasta, Crockpot
Yield: 6 Servings

2 sl Bacon -- diced
2 To 4 lbs.
3/4 c Chopped onion
3/4 c Water
1 ts Salt
1/4 ts Cumin
1/4 ts Pepper
1 Bay leaf
1/2 c Sour cream
2 tb Flour
2 tb Parsley -- snipped
1/2 ts Kitchen Boquet -- optional
Hot cooked noodles
Beef chuck pot roast

Cook bacon until crisp. Drain. Reserve drippings in pan. Trim fat
from roast. Brown in Dutch oven on all sides in drippings. Add onion,
bay leaf, water, salt, cumin and pepper. Cover and cook on stovetop or
bake at 325 for two hours. Remove meat to platter. Keep warm. Skim
any fat from pan. Discard bay leaf. Blend sour cream with flour. Add
1/4 cup pan juices to sour cream. Return to pot. Cook and stir until
thick, but DO NOT BOIL. Stir in parsley, bacon and Kitchen Bouquet.
Season with salt and pepper to taste. Serve with roast and noodles.
Crock Pot: Prepare bacon as above, reserving drippings. Brown meat.
(You may need to cut in half to fit in pot.) Tranfer to cooker. Add
onion, only 1/4 cup of water and rest of above ingredients. Cover and
cook on Low for 8-10 hours. Remove raost, discard bay leaf, skim fat.
Pour juices into saucepan. Return roast to crock pot. Make sauce as
above. Season and serve as above.
Recipe By: BHG, Beef Cookbook

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

by: Carol Shenkenberger
To: All
Re: OH MY! Now Thom's at it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now, Thom, my 23 lb cat, has decided to continue the tradition! Here
I was, making up a pot of crawdaddys for the first time in ages (last
time if you recall, one escaped right into Roscoe's claws and the rest
decided a hot bath wasnt such a bad idea afterall).

Well, thesewere frozen ones (Kinda outa season here to get other
types). Fixed 'em up and set'em on the table. While Charlotte was
grabbing napkins, the big galoot stole 2 and hid under the xmas tree!
I figured it out as Charlotte starting giggling at the new
'decorations'. Yup. he ate what he could get at, and tucked the rest
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on the lower branch of the tree.. Saving it no doubt for later
attempts <smile>.

Meantime, seemed best to finally post just how I make'em. I make'em
fairly mild but you can 'kick it up a notch' rather easy. You've heard
of Debbie Does Dallas? Here's XX does Crawdaddy!

Title: Xx does Crawdaddy Categories: Xxcarol, Seafood, Crawfish,
Diabetic Yield: 4 Servings

3 lb Whole crawfish 4 tb Old bay seasoning 1/4 c Vinigar 1/2 tb
Black pepper, fresh ground 1 1/2 qt Water, or 'to cover'

Aiiee! This is good and so simple, my daughter Charlotte (age 7)
helped me make it! Sadly, she also ate 1/2 of it so '4 servings'
might be a bit off but for most folks, probably about right <grin>.

Take the crawdads and if frozen, let defrost first. This is one of
the few recipes that will work well with frozen precooked whole ones,
so take note if that's what you have where you are.

Fill your pot about 1/2 way with the water, Old Bay, and black
pepper. Feel free to add more 'Old Bay' or a dash of tabasco or so, if
you like it nice and hot. Stir this mix and let come to a low boil.

Add the crawdads and if pre-cooked, turn off the heat. If live,
bring back to a boil for 3-5 mins then turn off the heat. Let sit in
the hot water, soaking in the flavors for 5 mins or so. Ready to
serve then, but they will wait patiently as long as warm, or longer
if setting the table.

If serving Crawdads, or other foods with shells, be sure to provide
a 'shell dish' so your guests/family have a place other than their
plate to stow them.

++++++PLUS++++++

From the Kitchen of: xxcarol

Title: Xxcarol's ColeSlaw Categories: Xxcarol, Cabbage,
Diabetic, Salads Yield: 8 Servings

6 c Cabbage, shredded, 1/2 c Mayonaise 1/8 c Brown spicy
mustard, 1 md Onion, chopped fine 1 tb Black ground pepper

Ok, that above is the basics. If you like a dryer slaw, add more
cabbage! If you like one spicier, the basic was above and added to it
is always some of the below:

Optionals- 1/3 cup Green or Black Olives or mix (added so often I
almost tucked this in the 'must' above) : - Pimentos, pecans or
walnuts (crushed a bit), sliced cherry tomatos (suggest this be
garnish as it doesnt last long in the slaw), small crunchy bits of
leftover raw radish, turnip, jicama, and/or waterchestnut, .

Salt to taste when serving. Have a bottle of hotsauce nearby for
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those who like that as the flavors blend well.

From the kitchen of: xxcarol From: Carol Shenkenberger
(The coleslaw is a perfect match). xxcarol

~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~

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=================================================================
GETTING TECHNICAL
=================================================================

By: Carol Shenkenberger, Shenk's Express (275/100)
To: Warren Bonner
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello all! In reference to queries on how to setup a BBS, I have put
together a simple help file. It contains examples of some ways to do
things for a simple, single node system mostly. In order to make it
easier to follow, I have used 'generic conventional' names and paths
through out the FAQ. You do NOT need to use the same ones, and for
added security you SHOULD change them. You will find a general
reference to the names used, at the end.

The softwares used are primarily FrontDoor version 2.25 and DOS
version 5.0. If you have a 28.8 or better modem, you will need to
upgrade to FD2.12 or higher to support it properly. While FD is the
primary one dealt with here it probably isn't that radically different
in concept for other front end softwares.

FD2.25 has only one method of passing the errorlevel. This FAQ shows
the DOBBS/EXEBBS method required for FD2.25/SW users and usable by
earlier FD versions. The second FAQ (shown later) shows the 'one bat
file, errorlevel method' which may be used with FD2.12/SW or below.
The essential difference for those using FD2.12/SW and below is in
having one long bat file, or several short ones.

There is also some added capability in the DOBBS/EXEBBS method as it
allows you to pass the time of the next FD event, and /ARQ connection
information. Suit yourself to what you like best if using FD2.12/SW
and below.

1. Go into FD config, and make sure you have assigned a number
to each baud rate connecting to your system. In this example, we used
errorlevel 200 for all connection speeds and turned on the 'create bat
file option' in FD.

2. Add the following to your 'frodo.bat' file or just replace
your old one with this example then add in what you need for your
setup.

---- begin FRODO.BAT-----

@Echo off
c:
cd \fd
:Start

Cd\fd
fd
If ERRORLEVEL 253 Goto Mail_Out
If ERRORLEVEL 252 Goto Make_Node
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If ERRORLEVEL 209 Goto Mail_Test ;Function Key activated
If ERRORLEVEL 201 Goto FB100
If ERRORLEVEL 200 Goto Connect

Goto end

:Mail_Out ;Gecho 1.11+ specific, adapt as needed!
c:
cd c:\fd
AT H1 1
DEL c:\tg\tgmscan.now
GEcho toss -NOMGR
GEcho scan
GEcho MGR
MBUTIL pack -renumber -link -purge
Goto Start

:Make_Node
If Exist c:\fd\file\nodediff.* Goto Node_Here
Goto Start

:Node_Here
Copy c:\fd\file\nodediff.* c:\fd\nodelist
cd c:\fd\nodelist
editnl
cd c:\fd
fdnc /f
Goto Start

:FB100 ;external event in FD to do 'stuff' as needed
CD \tg\FFS ;for online games and other items needed nightly
FISHMANT
CD \FD
mbutil pack -renumber -link -purge
cd \tg
INDEX BUILD ALL
INDEX SORT ALL
cd \tg\goc
maint
cd \fd
call tickout.bat ; processes inbound filebone
Goto Start

:Connect ;here begins the connection sequence
call dobbs0.bat ;note FD2.25 makes dobbs0.bat
;FD2.12 and below makes DOBBS.BAT

:Mail_Test
IF EXIST C:\TG\ECHOMAIL.TG? GOTO Mail_Out
Goto Start

:End
-----end FRODO.BAT-------

DOBBS0.BAT is created by FD each BBS call, and it then activates
EXEBBS.BAT which you design. (Reminder, in FD2.12 it is DOBBS.bat).
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EXEBBS.BAT (This file is activated by DOBBS0.BAT or DOBBS.BAT):

----begin EXEBBS.BAT--------------

C:
CD \TG
TELEGARD -B%1 -X%3 -N%4 -C%5 -Q
If Not Exist c:\tg\ECHOMAIL.TG? GoTo End
Del c:\tg\ECHOMAIL.TG?
cd \fd
Gecho Toss
Gecho Scan
:END
Frodo ; your FD batch file

This is a very basic batch file to startup TG with the DOBBS process.
Make note that if you use another filename for your 'FD.BAT' other
than 'FRODO.BAT' you will need to change it here too! If you dont,
your BBS will land in 'zululand' because it wont know what to do after
a caller exits!

(Note: %1=baud, %2=port, %3=time till next event, %4=node if
multinode, %5=other modem connect info such as if it is an ARQ
connection)

Informational assistance provided by Kevin Watkins.

Note, this version shows also how to scan for mail left by a caller
and packing if they left any outbound mail by checking for the
existance of a ECHOMAIL.TG? file. This is optional and the mail_test
routine shows for local sysop mail. The echomail.tg? means in place
of the ? to use J for Jam or S for Squish. Replace as needed for
other BBS softwares.

For informational purposes, here is a rundown of some of the lines you
may not be familiar with: AT H1 1 - This is a common software which
is called AT.COM and manipulates your modem. In this case, it is
taking a modem on Com1, offline. Depending on your modem brand, you
may not need an extra utility to do this. Both FD and TG have the
capability of taking the modem offline for you. It is there only for
assistance of those sysops who's modems wont stay offline with FD's
codes.

EDITNL - This is one of the many nodediff merging softwares on the
market. Depending on your version, the addition of the /KILL switch,
will also delete the old nodediffs. It was included only as an
example, and you should use whatever you find at a local dial. Mergenl
is widely available and does the same thing.

MBUTIL - Gecho specific packer for message bases. See the 3rd FAQ
for other examples of tossing/packing sequences you may use for your
needs.

End FAQ 1. xxcarol TG Beta Norfolk

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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By: David Hallford
To: Jerry Schwartz
----------------------------------------------------------------------
HI Jerry!

>DH> One of the ideas I've been playing with is a routing flag. A
non-traditional node who can only pick up their mail from one source
would use this flag to tell folks where to route their mail to.

JS> That raises two problems:

JS> 1. Just because you fly a RVIA flag doesn't mean I know how to
reach your feed, nor that I can connect with it.

DH> True. I'm working under the asumption that the person flying the
RVIA flag is smmartenough to figure this out or they won't get any
mail.

JS> 2. There would have to be some mechanism to prevent circularity,
and since I don't see how that could be economically implemented in
the nodelist itself then any software which reads the RVIA flag would
have to have logic programmed in to keep it from looping endlessly.

DH> I tend to view these things from my own perspective as a utility
writer. I don't imagine a mailer author would ever update his/her
mailer to reflect an changes so I tend to figure out how I would make
it work with the current version of the software (always starting with
the software I use - of cours <g>).

DH> I would write it so that it actually looked for a viable path to
the region or zone first. That part is not written since I haven't sat
down and typed any code yet. This idea languished for over a year and
has only recently been resurected.

with warm regards,
Dave

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=================================================================
POET'S CORNER
=================================================================

There's a special day it comes but once a year

It is very merry with Yule tide cheer
It brings presents, snow and Eskimo
Oh don't you know it's Christmas time again.

It's time for family, and all your closest friends
Most never want Christmas time to ever end
Oh don't you know it's Christmas time again.

Malls are busy shoppers every were
Lights on houses blinking over here and there
Oh don't you know it's Christmas time again.

White snow sparkles, it sparkles every where
People sing Christmas carols, you here them fill the air
Oh don't you know it's Christmas time again.

Children sit on Santa knee while they plead for what they want
Stocking hung above the fire place, Cookies set down below
Oh don't you know it's Christmas time again, Ho Ho HO!!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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=================================================================
HUMOR
=================================================================

"GOODBYE, MOTHER"

I was walking through the supermarket to pick up a few things when I
noticed an old lady following me around. Thinking nothing of it, I
ignored her and continued on. Finally I went to the checkout line,
but she got in front of me.

"Pardon me," she said, "I'm sorry if my staring at you has made you
feel uncomfortable. It's just that you look just like my son, who
just died recently."

"I'm very sorry," I said to her, "Is there anything I can do for you?"

"Yes," she said, "As I'm leaving, can you say 'Good bye, Mother? It
would make me feel so much better."

"Sure," I said. An odd request, but no harm would come of it. As the
old woman was leaving, I called out, "Goodbye, Mother!"

As I stepped up to the checkout counter, I saw that my total was
$127.50.

"How can that be?" I asked, "I only purchased a few things!"

"Your mother said that you would pay for her," said the clerk.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A couple was touring the capitol in Washington, DC, and the
guide pointed out a tall, benevolent gentleman as the
congressional chaplain.

The lady asked, "What does the chaplain do? Does he pray for
the Senate or House?"

The guide answered, "No, he gets up, looks at both houses of
Congress, then prays for the country!"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

PUNCTUATION

The kindergarten class had a homework assignment to find out
about something exciting and relate it to the class the next
day. When the time came for the little kids to give their
reports, the teacher was calling on them one at a time.

The teacher was reluctant to call upon little Johnnie,
knowing that he sometimes could be a bit crude. But
eventually his turn came. Little Johnnie walked up to the
front of the class, and with a piece of chalk, made a small
white dot on the blackboard, then sat back down. Well the
FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 27 25 Dec 2000

teacher couldn't figure out what Johnnie had in mind for his
report on something exciting, so she asked him just what
that was. 'It's a period', Johnnie explained. 'Well I can
see that,' she said, 'but what is so exciting about a
period?'

'Damned if I know,' said Johnnie, 'but this morning my
sister said she missed one. Then Daddy had a heart attack
and Mommy fainted.'

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A guy walked into his friend's office, he found him
sitting at his desk, looking very depressed.

"Hey, what's up with you?", he asks.

"Oh, its my wife," replied the man sadly. "She's hired a
new secretary for me."

"Well, nothing wrong in that. Is she blonde or brunette?"

"Neither, He's bald."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A Christmas card sent from a Democrat to his Republican Friend:

The election is over, the results are known,
The will of the people has clearly been shown,
Let's forget the quarrels and show by our deeds,
We will give our leader all the help that he needs.
So let's all get together and let bitterness pass,
I'll hug your elephant and you kiss my ass.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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=================================================================
COMIX IN ASCII
=================================================================

To: All
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* Origin: Murphy's BBS 64 3 3519020 Christchurch N.Z. (3:770/245)

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=================================================================
WANTED
=================================================================

Hello everyone in every nation...
I am asking you for any articles on anything you deem to be of
interest to Fidoneters, or conversely, anything you would like to ask
Fidoneters, seek opinions or solutions to problems you or a friend may
have.

Also I have solicited bilingual articles. Articles submitted in your
native language and in English, to be published sequentially in an
issue of FidoNews. That will help strengthen Fido in membership nodes
as more folks will have a place to practice their hobby, plus sharpen
their skills with second or third language.

And lastly, we are looking for programmers who wish to tell us about
their BBS program products. We need to revitalize the strong roots
that the programmers had established in the last two decades. We need
new programs also, even old programs reconstructed to work with the
newer technologies developed in the last couple of years.

Send any items to:
[email protected]
or
[email protected]
or
[email protected]
or
ICQ = warbond #17773628

Thank you in advance,
Ol'wdb

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=================================================================
QUESTION OF THE WEEK
=================================================================

WHO WILL BE THE NEXT Z1C...

Is it going to be: Dallas Hinton?, Ross Cassell? Janis Kratch???

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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FIDONEWS 17-53 Page 31 25 Dec 2000

=================================================================
ANSWERS OF THE WEEK
=================================================================

By: Carol Shenkenberger To: All Re: Official results St:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
20 December 2000

The election for a new Z1C has concluded and the official result from
the 10 standing RC's in Zone 1 is:

Janis Kracht

Janis, you are now appointed the Z1C per the results. Enjoy! Turnover
timeframe is now left to you and Dave, and per his request be
concluded any time from now but no later than 5 January 2001.

David Moufarrege, our blessings on you for all you have done over this
past term!

xxcarol
Carol Shenkenberger
Z1C Election Coordinator - 2000

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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=================================================================
NOTICES
=================================================================

For ROUTED or CRASH Netmail File Attached Please SEND TO:
Joe Jared CoModerator FidoNews 1:103/301

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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=================================================================
FIDONET BY INTERNET
=================================================================

------------------------------------------------------
*Fidonet-related sites

. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
Last update: December 10, 2000

FidoNet
Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.r10.org
Net 102 http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Net 2410: http://www.vector.11.com/net2410/
Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org
Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
Region 15: <vacant>
Region 16: <vacant>
Region 17: http://www.region17.net
Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19
Net 124: http://www.dallasinet.com/net124
http://texoma.net/~flv
Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
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Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5028: HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
Net 5074: http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

Zone 4:
Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
(Chinese)

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
time between when the message is received, and when it is
sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.
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v-email flag [email protected]
| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
19/68 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS | 33.6k | n/c
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3407/4 @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k |N/C
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

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Zone 4
801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c

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* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* NFS = Linux Networking
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