F I D O N E W S         Volume 17, Number 48             20 Nov 2000
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                       Table of Contents
    1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
       * EDITORAL *  .............................................  1
    2. GUEST EDITORIAL  ..........................................  4
       -=*GUEST EDITORAL*=-  .....................................  4
    3. CORRECTIONS  ..............................................  6
       CORRECTIONS & RECORRECTIONS  ..............................  6
    4. ARTICLES  ................................................. 10
       * ARTICLES *  ............................................. 10
    5. COLUMNS  .................................................. 14
       Column By: Stewart Honsberger  ............................ 14
    6. FIDONET HISTORY  .......................................... 20
       -=*History*=-  ............................................ 20
    7. GETTING TECHNICAL  ........................................ 25
       TECHNOTES  ................................................ 25
    8. NET HUMOR  ................................................ 27
       *HUMOR*  .................................................. 27
    9. QUESTION OF THE WEEK  ..................................... 31
       THIS WEEKS QUESTION  ...................................... 31
    10. NOTICES  ................................................. 32
       NOTICES  .................................................. 32
    11. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ..................................... 34
    12. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 39
       FIDONEWS INFORMATION  ..................................... 39
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                                EDITORIAL
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                           [email protected]
    Your editor has been following the P4 discussions and learning what
    many think on the subject. Some want to dump it, some want to ignore
    it, some want to `work around it', and believe it or not some want to
    work to modify it only in a couple of places to make it democratic in
    nature.  I've taken the liberty to take excerpts of some messages in
    open echoes, to develop an understanding for the global reader that
    may not have access to these echoes.

    With that foundation for this editoral in mind, and the knowledge that
    the Policy known as P4, being a bone of contention in many Regions
    since it was presented to replace Policy 1.0; plus (I am informed) was
    never ratified by the sysops as was Policy 1.0. That coupled with
    the necessity of all Zones to approve any ammendments has made it a
    catch 22 that is the quagmire, bone of contention, etc. that plagues
    Fidonet and perpetuates it's nick name,"Fight-O-net".
                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    By: Dallas Hinton
    To: Stewart Honsberger
    Re: ZC Election Procedures
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Hi Stewart -- on Nov 15 2000 at 22:24, you wrote:

    SH> If nobody agrees to policy 4; why do people still agree to abide
    by SH> it?

    It's called being honourable, Stewart. It's the same issue as obeying
    speed limits at 2 AM when you know there are no cops around. Either
    you live an ethical and honourable life or you don't.

    Policy 4 is the policy that FidoNet uses. There is much of it I don't
    like, but until it's changed I will follow it. To do otherwise is to
    have anarchy, and while that was very enjoyable in the early days of
    FidoNet it rapidly became obvious that we couldn't continue in that
    pattern once we got beyond a few dozen members.

    Cheers... Dallas

                     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    By: Steven Leeman To: All Re: American elections solved :-)
    May also equate to PEEFOUR until modified and ratified-Ed. 8^)
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Hello everybody.

    NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE
    To the citizens of the United States of America,
    In the light of your failure to elect a President of
    the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we
    hereby give notice of the revocation of your
    independence, effective today. Her Sovereign
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    Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchial
    duties over all states, commonwealths and other
    territories. Except Utah, which she does not fancy.
    Your new prime minister (The rt. hon. Tony Blair,
    MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been
    unaware that there is a world outside your borders)
    will appoint a minister for America without the need
    for further elections. Congress and the Senate will
    be disbanded. A questionnaire will be circulated
    next year to determine whether any of you noticed.
    To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency,
    the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

    1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford
    English Dictionary. Then look up "aluminium".
    Check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed
    at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it.
    Generally, you should raise your vocabulary to
    acceptable levels. Look up "vocabulary". Using
    the same twenty seven words interspersed with
    filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an
    unacceptable and inefficient form of communication.
    Look up "interspersed".

    2. There is no such thing as "US English". We will
    let Microsoft know on your behalf.

    3. You should learn to distinguish the English and
    Australian accents. It really isn't that hard.

    4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast
    English actors as the good guys. Although it comes
    as a bit of a shock, the USA did not pilot the "Battle of
    Britain" spitfires during the war against Germany.
    Likewise, Rommel was defeated by the British &
    Australian Armies in Africa,.... not Sylvester Stallone
    & Bruce Willis. Probably your biggest shock will be
    the fact that the US didn't enter World War 2 until
    halfway through the war when the Germans mistakenly
    sank a few US ships. By then the war was decided by
    the Commonwealth countries troops ..... and your
    guys just helped to speed the end up.

    5. You should relearn your original national anthem,
    "God Save The Queen", but only after fully carrying
    out task 1. We would not want you to get confused
    and give up half way through.

    6. You should stop playing American "football".
    There is only one kind of football. What you refer
    to as American "football" is not a very good game.
    The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a
    world outside your border may have noticed that
    no one else plays "American" football. You will no
    longer be allowed to play it, and should instead
    play proper football. Initially, it would be best if you
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    played with the girls. It is a difficult game. Those of
    you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play
    rugby (which is similar to American "football", but
    does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty
    seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like
    nancies). We are hoping to get together at least
    a US rugby sevens side by 2005.

    7. You should declare war on Quebec and France,
    using nuclear weapons if they give you any merde.
    The 98.85% of you who were not aware that there is
    a world outside your borders should count yourselves
    lucky. The Russians have never been the bad guys.
    "Merde" is French for "sh*t".

    8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 8th
    will be a new national holiday, but only in England.
    It will be called "Indecisive Day".

    9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap
    and it is for your own good. When we show you German
    cars, you will understand what we mean.

    10. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving
    us crazy. Thank you for your cooperation.

       o     Steven Leeman
    Thanks for the funny Steven.

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                             GUEST EDITORIAL
    =================================================================

                           By David Morferrage
                           dated 11-14-00 19:46

    The ZC Election Coordinator has submitted the following election
    outline for publication:


    Draft 4, 13NOV Version C- RC's vote based on region input. (notes,
    timetable to be adjusted later- mostly out of nomination time)

                     ZONE 1 COORDINATOR ELECTION - 2000

    The Z1C has announced an election, for a new Z1C. Per Policy4, the ZC
    is elected by the RC's under them.  It is the choice of the RC's to do
    this by the following method per P4 section 6.2.

    A Z1 Sysop is defined as any Sysop who is nodelisted in Z1 and
    physically located within the normal geographical boundries of zone 1.

    The nodelist used will be the nodelist.### version.  Reasonable
    exceptions will be made during the nomination phase by the election
    coordinator if a node, net or region is accidently dropped from this
    version and this is validated by the RC or NC of the affected node.
    The term 'nodelisted' means listed in this version of the nodelist.

                                Nominations

               Nominating time table: NOV 17-25, 2000 All dates start at
    00:00 and end at 11:59 EST

    Any nodelisted Z1 Sysop of Fidonet may nominate themselves or another
    nodelisted Sysop of of Z1 Fidonet for the position of Z1C.  The
    nomination must be made in the Z1_Election echo and should be
    addressed to the Election Coordinator.

    The nomination must include the name of the nominee and their Fidonet
    node number.

    Once a nomination has been received by the election coordinator, the
    name will be added to the list of nominees.  The nomination must then
    be accepted by the nominee and seconded by a Z1 Sysop in the echo to
    become a fully eligible candidate.

               Discussion Period NOV 26- DEC 02, 2000 All dates start at
    00:00 and end at 11:59 EST

    Following the nomination period, a period shall be allowed for each
    candidate to campaign for the position.  During this period,
    questioning of the candidates is encouraged.

               Regional Feedback Period  DEC 03-16, 2000 All dates start
    at 00:00 and end at 11:59 EST
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    Following the campaign period, the above period shall be allowed for
    each region to conduct selection proceedings in accordance with
    regional policy and such methods as are determined as appropriate
    based on regional policy or the desires of the Sysops within that
    region.  All voting or other feedback including what is desired if
    there is a run-off election and the primary candidate your region
    selected is eliminated, must be concluded no later than 16 DEC.  No
    time is alloted to conduct secondary polls of regional input once RC
    voting commences.

               Regional Coordinator Voting - DEC 17-22, 2000 All dates
    start at 00:00 and end at 11:59 EST

    Following collection of regional input, the RC's shall cast their
    vote. (Location TBD at this time).

    Initial voting will be from 17-18 DEC.  The candidate with the most
    votes, wins.  This will be calculated by a simple majority where if
    any one candidate receives 6 RC votes, they will be announced as the
    winner.  If no candidate achieves 6 RC votes, a run-off election will
    take place from 19-20 DEC between the top 2 candidates.

    Contesting of the vote will take place from 21-22 DEC.  Once finalized
    and with no RC's contesting the vote, the results will be posted in
    the Z1_ELECTION echo.

    Note, this section may be ammended after the initial Z1C election
    process has begun, in order to finalize the location of the RC votes.

               Term begin/end: Turnover date to May 2003

    Upon completion of the election, the newly elected Z1C's term begins
    as soon as turnover can be accomplished but no later than 5 January
    2001. Due to early turnover, the normal 2 year period will be extended
    5 months and end May 2003.  This is in order to avoid mandating a vote
    over the holiday season in 2 years.


    Z1C Election Coordinator - 2000




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                               CORRECTIONS
    =================================================================


    The editor accepts articles, but does not accept any responsibility
    for their accuracy, that's why a corrections column is necessary.
                           ~~~~~~~~~~~

    By: Winston Smith To: All Re: [--- Linux OS N/A's ? ---]
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    I wish to correct a few of the "not applicable" n/a designations of
    the "LINUX OS" (moving from *DOS to *NIX) FidoNews article by Janis
    Kracht.

    n/a              chsh            Change shell

         While there is no --DIRECTLY-- applicable 'chsh' command via
    *DOS, as all that 'chsh' is is a batch shell script that modifies the
    user record in the '/etc' directory folder, one can easily write a
    batch script under *DOS called 'CHSH.BAT' to modify the "start up"
    shell selection for *DOS, which in this case is stored in the
    CONFIG.SYS file of the *DOS "backslash" or root folder of the
    directory tree rather than in the 'etc' directory folder.  The "user
    record" for the *DOS shell is given below. Just as in Linux,you have
    to restart / reboot / relogin for any changes to take effect.

    File --> CONFIG.SYS SHELL=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM C:\DOS\ /E:4096 /F /P


    n/a                pwd           Dispay the current working directory
    path

         There --IS-- a Print Working Directory for MS-DOS, but it is
    undocumented. (See the famous MicroSoft Undocumented Features, a.k.a.
    'MUF', file.)

         C:> TRUENAME

    n/a             swapon           Turn on a swap partition

    While MS-DOS doesn't have a multi-tasking Virtual Machine image to
    swap in and out of RAM, it can set up a "single task" swap area for
    the command just executed be swapped in again.  Okay, you got me!  It
    is only a disk cache, but it kind of / sort of / maybe performs a
    similar function in a single tasking operating system that a swap
    image performs in a multi-tasking operating system.

         C:> SMARTDRV.EXE /X /V

    n/a             swapoff          Turn off a swap partition

         I don't know how to turn SmartDrive off.  I think you have to
    reboot with Control-Alt-Delete?

    n/a             mount            Attach a filesystem to the root
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    filesystem

         While you can not mount a filesystem onto your directory tree,
    you can do something quite similar by "mounting" phantom / virtual
    drive letters into your drive device table via the 'subst' command
    (provided that your MS-DOS 'LASTDRIVE' designation is high enough).

         C:>SUBST.EXE U: C:\USERS

    n/a             umount           Detach a filesystem from the root
    filesystem

         C:>SUBST.EXE U: /D

    n/a            apropos        Get help on a general topic n/a whatis
    Search the whatis database

         A 'whatis' / 'apropos' command --DOES-- exists for MS-DOS. (See
    below.)

         C:>FASTHELP



      That is all that I have for now.  Feel free to make any additions
    or corrections!

    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr3 * Origin: Lost in the
    SuperMarket - Peabody, MA - 978-531-8416 (1:101/101)
                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    RECORECTIONS By: Janis Kracht To: Winston Smith Re: Correction:[---
    Linux OS N/A's ? ---]
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    Hi there Winston,

    I wish to correct a few of the "not applicable" n/a designations of
    the "LINUX OS" (moving from *DOS to *NIX) FidoNews article by Janis
    Kracht.

    n/a              chsh            Change shell

    While there is no --DIRECTLY-- applicable 'chsh' command via *DOS, as
    all that 'chsh' is is a batch shell script that modifies the user
    record in the '/etc' directory folder, one can easily write a batch
    script under *DOS called 'CHSH.BAT' to modify the "start up" shell
    selection for *DOS, which in this case is stored in the CONFIG.SYS
    file of the *DOS "backslash" or root folder of the directory tree
    rather than in the 'etc' directory folder.  The "user record" for the
    *DOS shell is given below.  Just as in Linux, you have to restart /
    reboot / relogin for any changes to take effect.

    File --> CONFIG.SYS SHELL=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM C:\DOS\ /E:4096 /F /P


    First of all, what other shells are distributed with DOS? If you
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    remember,I specifically mentioned in the article that I was excluding
    from consideration outside utilities like GNU tools, etc.

    Secondly, you do not have to re-boot for changes to take affect in
    Linux - you do have to re-login, but that's a far cry from rebooting.
    Like many others have done many times, I've even re-compiled the
    kernal without rebooting <smile>.

    n/a                pwd           Dispay the current working directory
    > path

    There --IS-- a Print Working Directory for MS-DOS, but it is
    undocumented.(See the famous MicroSoft Undocumented Features, a.k.a.
    'MUF', file.) C:> TRUENAME

    If it is undocumented, that means that MS has reservered the right to
    leave it out of future versions, or to have that command do something
    different...

    but ...

    I did miss this though:

    In DOS CD without an argument will show you the full path to the
    current working directory :)

    However, you know I didn't think i would be able to list every single
    command that DOS does not have that Linux does :)  For example.. cd -
    (cd with a space and then a dash) will take you back to the very last
    directory you were in. Not like cd .., I mean like if you type
    /home/bbbs/inbound, and then you type cd /home/ftp/pub/gamesnet, cd -
    will return you to /home/bbbs/inbound.

    n/a             swapon           Turn on a swap partition

    While MS-DOS doesn't have a multi-tasking Virtual Machine image to
    swap in and out of RAM, it can set up a "single task" swap area for
    the command just executed be swapped in again.  Okay, you got me!  It
    is only a disk cache, but it kind of / sort of / maybe performs a
    similar function in a single tasking operating system that a swap
    image performs in a multi-tasking operating system.

    C:> SMARTDRV.EXE /X /V

    n/a             swapoff          Turn off a swap partition

    I don't know how to turn SmartDrive off.  I think you have to reboot
    with Control-Alt-Delete?

    n/a             mount            Attach a filesystem to the root
    filesystem

    While you can not mount a filesystem onto your directory tree you can
    do something quite similar by "mounting" phantom / virtual drive
    letters into your drive device table via the 'subst' command
    (provided that your MS-DOS 'LASTDRIVE' designation is high enough).
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    C:>SUBST.EXE U: C:\USERS

    No, you're misunderstanding mount <smile>. The mount command is not
    used for 'virtual' or logical drives but to connect physical devices
    to the file system.

    From the man page: All files accessible in a Unix system are arranged
    in one big tree, the file hierarchy, rooted at  /.   These  files can
    be spread out over several devices. The mount command serves to
    attach the file system found on some device  to the  big file tree.
    Conversely, the umount(8) command will detach it again.


    n/a            apropos         Get help on a general topic n/a whatis
    Search the whatis database

    A 'whatis' / 'apropos' command --DOES-- exists for MS-DOS. (See
    below.)

    C:>FASTHELP

    Well apropos and whatis search a database for text strings in
    different ways. Fasthelp may show you the help for a command (I don't
    know that command), but whatis shows you a short description of only
    complete word matches, apropos searches a set of database files
    containing short descriptions of system commands for keywords and
    displays them all.

    Take care, Janis * Origin: Prism bbs (1:2320/38)


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                                ARTICLES
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                     By: Carol Shenkenberger

    Templates that match version C, to be adapted for regional use as
    desired:

    Draft 1 template A, 12NOV - weighted voting, sysops in region vote.
    Freely available for RC's to edit as they desire to meet needs of
    region collection.

                       Z1C ELECTION - 2000

    The Z1C has announced an election, for a new Z1C. Per Policy4, the ZC
    is elected by the RC's under them.  It is the choice of the RC## to do
    this by election from the sysops in R##.

    To be eligible to vote, a SysOp must be nodelisted in R##. The
    nodelist used will be the current nodelist at the time of each stage
    in the vote. (alternative, current nodelist at time of vote)

    Those who are eligible to vote will be those SysOps who are nodelisted
    in R##.  Each sysop will be allowed 1 vote, regardless of how many
    nodenumbers they may hold.  Systems with 2 people entered as 'sysop'
    will recieve only 1 vote.

    All times refer to recipt at the election coordinators site, not time
    sent by the sysop.

              Voting Period  DEC 03-10, 2000 All dates start at 00:00 and
    end at 11:59 #ST

    Following the campaign period, a period shall be allowed for each
    eligible voter to cast his/her vote.  Votes must be sent via netmail
    (direct or routed) to the regional election coordinator who is (insert
    what's needed for your region) during the voting period and must
    include a keyword or password to the regional election coordinator.

    Votes will be cast in the following manner: Weighted voting where each
    vote cast attains a number of assigned 'points' based on the order in
    which you list them.  If you list only 1 candidate, they will receive
    as many 'points' as there are candidates.  In the sample below, that
    would be 4 'points'. You may not list a candidate more than once (IE:
    You cant get Betty Beta 10 points by listing her 4 times, sorry!).


        Example:  4 candidates: Abe Alpha            4 pts Betty Beta 3
    pts Charlie Chuckles     2 pts Donald Delta         1 pt

    Winner of the election will be the one with the most total 'points'.
    If there is a tie, recalculation will be done counting only the top 2
    votes of each member (hence your votes 3 and 4 would be cast out) to
    determine if a tie still exists. If a tie still exists, recalculation
    will commence with your first listed entry only. If that also results
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    in a tie, the RC shall cast a deciding vote.

    These results will also be used by the RC, should there be a run-off
    election at the RC level voting for our region, by removing those
    candidates who were eliminated, and calculating the 'points' of the
    remaining candidates. Should this result in a tie, the RC will cast
    the deciding vote.

    *note, edit in here a 'contesting' time if your region needs one.  I'd
    advise you do have one**

              RC Vote - 17-22 DEC 2000

    No further time for regional input is alloted in this phase.

    The results of the election will be annouced in the Z1C_Election echo
    by the Z1C Election Coordinator ------

    Draft 1 template B, 18NOV - sysops in region vote with one candidate
    only. Freely for RC's to edit as they desire to meet needs of region
    collection.

                        Z1C ELECTION - 2000

    The Z1C has announced an election, for a new Z1C. Per Policy4, the ZC
    is elected by the RC's under them.  It is the choice of the RC## to do
    this by election from the sysops in R##.

    To be eligible to vote, a SysOp must be nodelisted in R##. The
    nodelist used will be the current nodelist at the time of each stage
    in the vote. (alternative, current nodelist at time of vote)

    Those who are eligible to vote will be those SysOps who are nodelisted
    in R##.  Each sysop will be allowed 1 vote, regardless of how many
    nodenumbers they may hold.  Systems with 2 people entered as 'sysop'
    will recieve only 1 vote.

    All times refer to recipt at the election coordinators site, not time
    sent by the sysop.

              Voting Period  DEC 03-10, 2000 All dates start at 00:00 and
    end at 11:59 #ST

    Following the campaign period, a period shall be allowed for each
    eligible voter to cast his/her vote.  Votes must be sent via netmail
    (direct or routed) to the regional election coordinator who is (insert
    what's needed for your region) during the voting period and must
    include a keyword or password to the regional election coordinator.

    Votes will be cast in the following manner, one vote per Sysop. Each
    vote will be counted and if a candidate is eliminated at a runoff
    time, the votes for that candidate will be discarded and the ones for
    the remaining runoff candidates will be used.

    If that also results in a tie, the RC shall cast a deciding vote.

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    *note, edit in here a 'contesting' time if your region needs one.  I'd
    advise you do have one**

              RC Vote - 17-22 DEC 2000

    No further time for regional input is alloted in this phase.

    The results of the election will be annouced in the Z1C_Election echo
    by the Z1C Election Coordinator -------- Draft 1 template B, 18NOV -
    sysops in region vote with one candidate only. Sysops deligate vote to
    RC if they wish. Freely for RC's to edit as they desire to meet needs
    of region collection.

                       Z1C ELECTION - 2000

    The Z1C has announced an election, for a new Z1C. Per Policy4, the ZC
    is elected by the RC's under them.  It is the choice of the RC## to do
    this by election from the sysops in R##.

    To be eligible to vote, a SysOp must be nodelisted in R##. The
    nodelist used will be the current nodelist at the time of each stage
    in the vote. (alternative, current nodelist at time of vote)

    Those who are eligible to vote will be those SysOps who are nodelisted
    in R##.  Each sysop will be allowed 1 vote, regardless of how many
    nodenumbers they may hold.  Systems with 2 people entered as 'sysop'
    will recieve only 1 vote.

    All times refer to recipt at the election coordinators site, not time
    sent by the sysop.

              Voting Period  DEC 03-10, 2000 All dates start at 00:00 and
    end at 11:59 #ST

    Following the campaign period, a period shall be allowed for each
    eligible voter to cast his/her vote.  Votes must be sent via netmail
    (direct or routed) to the regional election coordinator who is (insert
    what's needed for your region) during the voting period and must
    include a keyword or password to the regional election coordinator.

    Votes will be cast in the following manner, one vote per Sysop. Each
    vote will be counted and if a candidate is eliminated at a runoff
    time, the votes for that candidate will be discarded and the ones for
    the remaining runoff candidates will be used.  Sysops may if they
    desire, deligate their vote to the RC who will then cast for them.
    Sysops who desire to do this, must expressly state that this is their
    intention either the local region echo or netmail.  Under no
    circumstances may the RC presume to cast a vote for a Sysop, without
    expressed desire of the sysop for such action.


    If that also results in a tie, the RC shall cast a deciding vote.


    *note, edit in here a 'contesting' time if your region needs one.  I'd
    advise you do have one**
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              RC Vote - 17-22 DEC 2000

    No further time for regional input is alloted in this phase.

    The results of the election will be annouced in the Z1C_Election echo
    by the Z1C Election Coordinator ---------

    Note, nothing mandated there to use them.  Use your own or adapt from
    this if desired. xxcarol

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    757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100)

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                                 COLUMNS
    =================================================================

    -------------------------------------------------------------------
                ----- ARPA History begins -----

    Part I: The history of ARPA leading up to the ARPANET

    A climate of pure research surrounded the entire history of the
    ARPANET. The Advanced Research Projects Agency was formed with an
    emphasis towards research, and thus was not oriented only to a
    military product. The formation of this agency was part of the U.S.
    reaction to the then Soviet Union's launch of Sputnik in 1957. (ARPA
    draft, III-6). ARPA was assigned to research how to utilize their
    investment in computers via Command and Control Research (CCR). Dr.
    J.C.R. Licklider was chosen to head this effort. Licklider came to
    ARPA from Bolt, Beranek and Newman, (BBN) in Cambridge, MA in October
    1962. (ARPA draft, III-6)

    From Licklider's arrival, the department's contracts were shifted from
    independent corporations towards "the best academic computer centers"
    (ARPA draft, III-7). The then current computing mode was via batch
    processing (you know, input via stacks of punched cards, output:
    results, or lack of them, made known one or more days later.).
    Licklider saw improvements could be made in CCR only via work on
    advancing the current state of computing technology. He particularly
    wanted to move forward into the age of interactive computing, and the
    current contractors were not moving in that direction. In an
    Interview, Licklider told the interviewee that SDC "was based on batch
    processing, and while I was interested in a new way of doing things,
    they [SDC] were studying how to make improvements in the ways things
    were done already." (An Interview with J.C.R. Licklider conducted by
    William Aspray and Arthur Norberg on October 28, 1988 Cambridge, Mass.
    CBI Univ of Minn., Madison) The office "developed into a far-reaching
    basic research program in advanced technology." (ARPA draft III-7)
    Licklider's Office was renamed Information Processing Techniques (IPT
    or IPTO) to reflect that change.

    The Completion report states that "Prophetically, Licklider nicknamed
    the group of computer specialists he gathered the 'Intergalactic
    Network'." ARPA draft, III-7) Before work on the ARPANET began, the
    very idea of the network was planted by the creation of the
    Information Processing Techniques Office of ARPA. Robert Taylor,
    Licklider's successor at the IPTO, remembers Lick's interest in
    interconnecting communities:

    "Lick was among the first to perceive the spirit of community created
    among the users of the first time-sharing systems... In pointing out
    the community phenomena created, in part, by the sharing of resources
    in one timesharing system, Lick made it easy to think about
    interconnecting the communities, the interconnection of interactive,
    on-line communities of people, ..." (ARPA draft, III-21)

    The "spirit of community" was related to Lick's interest in having
    computers help people communicate with other people (Licklider,
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    Licklider, and Robert Taylor, "The Computer as a Communication
    Device") Licklider's vision of an "intergalactic network" connecting
    people represented an important conceptional shift in computer
    science. This vision was also an important beginning to the ARPANET.
    After the ARPANET was up and running, the computer scientists using it
    realized that assisting human communication was the most fundamental
    advance that the ARPANET made possible. (Cite Larry Roberts)

    As early as 1963, a common question asked of the IPTO directors by the
    ARPA directors about IPTO projects was "Why don't we rely on the
    computer industry to do that?", or ocassionally more strongly, "We
    should not support that effort because ABC (read, "computer industry")
    will do it - if it's worth doing!" (ARPA draft, III-23) This question
    leads to an important point - this ARPA research was different from
    what the computer industry had in mind to do - or was likely to
    undertake. Since Licklider's creation of the IPTO, the work supported
    by ARPA/IPTO continued his explicit emphasis on communications. The
    Completion Report explains,

    "The ARPA theme is that the promise offered by the computer as a
    communication medium between people, dwarfs into relative
    insignificance the historical beginnings of the computer as an
    arithmetic engine." (ARPA draft, III-24)

    The Completion Report goes on to differentiate ARPA from the computer
    industry:

    "The computer industry, in the main, still thinks of the computer as
    an arithmetic engine. Their heritage is reflected even in current
    designs of their communication systems.' They have an economic and
    psychological commitment to the arithmetic engine model, and it can
    die only slowly..." (ARPA draft, III-24)

    The Completion Report further analyzes this problem by tracing it back
    to the nation's institutions:

    "...furthermore, it is a view that is still reinforced by most of the
    nation's computer science programs. Even universities, or at least
    parts of them, are held in the grasp of the arithmetic engine
    concept...." (ARPA draft, III-24)

    Since Licklider's creation of the IPTO, the work supported by
    ARPA/IPTO continued the explicit communications emphasis. Thus history
    has witnessed the research and development which had led to the
    concrete existence of first the ARPANET, and later the Internet.
    Without the commitment that existed via this support, such a
    development might never have happened. One of ARPA's criterion for
    supporting research was such that it had to be of such a level to
    offer an order of magnitude of development. As most research and
    development is not immediately profitable, there has to be some kind
    of organization which helps to set higher goals than just in
    developing what will be immediately profitable. What is really strange
    is that computer networking is an immensely profitable field right now
    - only it is 25 years later.

    Others have understood the communications promise of computers. For
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    example, in RFC 1336, David Clark is quoted,

    "It is not proper to think of networks as connecting computers.
    Rather, they connect people using computers to mediate. The great
    success of the internet is not technical, but in human impact.
    Electronic mail may not be a wonderful advance in Computer Science,
    but it is a whole new way for people to communicate. The continued
    growth of the Internet is a technical challenge to all of us, but we
    must never loose sight of where we came from, the great change we have
    worked on the larger computer community, and the great potential we
    have for future change."

    Various research outside of ARPA had been done by Paul Baron, Thomas
    Marill and others. [This history is covered well in the article "From
    ARPANET to USENET" by Ronda Hauben..ref] This led Lawrence Roberts and
    other IPTO staff to formally introduce the topic of networking
    computers of differing types (incompatible hardware and software)
    together in order to share resources to the early 1967 meeting of
    ARPA's Primary Investigators (PI).

    In the spring of 1967 at the University of Michigan, ARPA held its
    yearly meeting of the "principle investigators" from each of its
    university and other contractors. (ARPA draft, III-25) Results from
    the previous year's research was summarized and future research was
    discussed, either introduced by ARPA or the various researchers
    present at the meetings. Networking was one of the topics brought up
    at this meeting. (ARPA draft, III-25)

    The Completion Report continues the story:

    "At the meeting it was agreed that work could begin on the conventions
    to be used for exchanging messages between any pair of computers in
    the proposed network, and also on consideration of the kinds of
    communications lines and data sets to be used. In particular, it was
    decided that the inter-host communication 'protocol' would include
    conventions for character and block transmission, error checking and
    retransmission, and computer and user identification. Frank
    Westervelt, then of the University of Michigan, was picked to write a
    position paper on these areas of communication, an ad hoc
    'Communication Group' was selected from among the institutions
    represented, and a meeting of the group scheduled." (ARPA draft,
    III-26)

    In order to develop this network of varied computers, two main
    problems had to be solved:

    " 1. To construct a 'subnetwork' consisting of telephone circuits and
    switching nodes whose reliability, delay characteristics, capacity,
    and cost would facilitate resource sharing among computers on the
    network.

    2. To understand , design, and implement the protocols and procedures
    within the operating systems of each connected computer, in order to
    allow the use of the new subnetwork by the computers in sharing
    resources." (ARPA not draft, II-8)

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    After one draft and additional work on this communications position
    paper report, a two-day meeting was scheduled in early October 1967 by
    ARPA to "discuss the protocol paper and specifications for the
    Interface Message Processor (IMP)." The IMP was the decided upon
    method of connecting the participants computers (hosts) to each other
    via phone lines. This standardized the network which the hosts
    connected to. Now, only the connection of the hosts to the network
    would depend on vendor type, etc. ARPA had picked 19 possible
    participants in what was now known as the "ARPA Network", rather than
    the previously vague descriptions.

    After the time of the 1967 PI Meeting, various computer scientists who
    were ARPA contractors were busy thinking about various aspects which
    would be relevant to the planning and development of the ARPANET. Part
    of that work was a document outlining a beginning design for the IMP
    network. This specification would lead to the ability to a put out a
    competitive procurement for the design of the IMP subnetwork.

    "At the end of 1967 ARPA initiated a small contract with the Stanford
    Research Institute for the development of specifications for the
    necessary communications system. Elmer Shapiro was to be the key
    person on this study. Published in the final version in December of
    1968 was a 71-page SRI report entitled "A Study of COmputer Network
    Design Parameters", an early version in early 1968 served as the first
    draft of the IMP specification...In February or March a memo written
    by Shapiro and revised by Kleinrock entitled "Functional Description
    of the IMP" was circulated. After the first draft by Shapiro, it is
    believed that Glenn Culler wrote a second draft, and Robert and
    Wessler of ARPA wrote the final version of the IMP specification. In
    any case, by the first of March, 1968, IPT was able to report to the
    Director of ARPA that specifications for the IMP were essentially
    complete, and that they would be discussed at the upcoming PI meeting
    with the goal of issuing a Request for Quotation shortly thereafter.
    The network was discussed at the PI meeting and by June 1968, the
    ARPANET procurement officially started." (ARPA draft, III-32)

    ARPA's Program Plan for the ARPANET was titled "Resource Sharing
    Computer Networks". It was submitted June 3, 1968, and approved by the
    Director June 21, 1968.

    The Completion Report explains that the Program Plan was, "an
    interesting document. The stated objectives of the program were to
    develop experience in interconnection computers and to improve and
    increase computer research productivity through resource sharing.
    Technical needs in scientific and military environments were cited as
    justification for the program objectives. Relevant prior work was
    described. It was noted that the computer research centers supported
    or partially supported by IPT provided a unique testbed for computer
    networking experiments, as well as providing immediate benefits to the
    centers and valuable research results to the military. The network
    planning that had gone on was described, the need for a network
    information center was noted, and the network design was sketched. A
    five year schedule for network procurement, construction, operation,
    and transfer out of ARPA was presented. (It was noteworthy that IPT
    had initially had in mind eventual transfer of the operational network
    to a common carrier.) Finally a several-million-dollar, several-year
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    budget was stated." (ARPA draft, III-35)

    "The Defense Supply Service - Washington (DSS-W) agreed to be a
    procurement agent for ARPA. At the end of July the Request for
    Quotation for network IMPs was mailed to 140 potential bidders who had
    expressed interest in receiving it. Approximately 100 people from 51
    companies attended a subsequent bidders' conference. Twelve proposals
    were actually received by DSS_W comprising 6.6 edge-feet of paper and
    presenting an awesome evaluation task for IPT, which more normally
    awards contracts on a sole source basis. Attempting to evaluate the
    proposals "strictly by the book", an ARPA-appointed evaluation
    committee retired to Monterey, California, to carry out their task.
    ARPA was pleasantly surprised that several of the respondents believed
    that they could construct a network which performed as much as a
    factor of five better than the delay constraint given in the RFQ..."
    (ARPA draft, III-35)

    ARPA developed a program plan, which developed into a set of
    specifications. These specifications were connected to a competitive
    Request for Quotation to find an organization which would design and
    build the subnetwork between the IMPs.

    BBN won the contract to develop the IMP-to-IMP subnetwork. However the
    second technical problem still remained to be solved. The protocol to
    allow the hosts to communicate with each other over the subnetwork had
    to be developed. This work was left "for host sites to work out among
    themselves." (ARPA draft, III-67) This meant that both the hardware
    and software necessary to connect the hosts to the IMP subnetwork had
    to be developed. ARPA assigned this duty to the initial designated
    ARPANET sites. As each site had a different type of computer to
    connect, they individually were the best informed designers for their
    personal setups. In addition the sites needed to develop the hardware
    and software necessary to utilize the other hosts on the network.
    (ARPA draft, III-39) ARPA's assigning of responsibilities makes the
    academic computer science community become an active part of the
    ARPANET development team. (Interview with Alex McKenize, Nov, 1 1993)

    Steve Crocker associates the placement of the initial ARPANET sites at
    research institutions to the fact that the ARPANET was ground-breaking
    research. He wrote in a message responding to my questions on the
    COM-PRIV mailing list:

    "During the initial development of the Arpanet, there was simply a
    limit as to how far ahead anyone could see and manage. The IMPs were
    placed in cooperative ARPA R&D sites with the hope that these research
    sites would figure out how to exploit this new communication medium."
    (Crocker, 1993A)

    The first sites of the ARPANET were picked to provide either network
    support services or unique resources. They were also picked as deemed
    technically able of developing the protocols necessary to make
    communications between the varied computers connected possible. The
    key services the first four sites provided were

    "UCLA - Network Measurement Center SRI - Network Information Center
    UCSB - Culler-Fried interactive mathematics UTAH - graphics (hidden
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    line removal)" (Cerf, Vinton 1993)

    Steve Crocker also recounts that the reason for selecting these
    particular four sites was because they were "existing ARPA computer
    science research contractors." This was important because "the
    research community could be counted on to take some initiative." (RFC
    1000, pg 1)

    The very first site to receive an IMP was UCLA. Professor Leonard
    Kleinrock of UCLA was involved with much of the early development of
    the ARPANET. His work consisted of understanding queueing theory and
    as such was one of the first computer scientists working on the
    ARPANET who was dealing with how to measure what was happening as the
    network would function. This made it natural to make sure that UCLA
    received the first node as it would be important to initiate the
    network from the site which would measure the networks activity. In
    order for the statistics to be correct and for analysis purposes - the
    first site had to be the measurement site. Sure enough UCLA was
    assigned to be the Network Measurement Center (NMC).[1]

    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    << , >> , Title , Contents ----- ARPA History ends -----

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                             FIDONET HISTORY
    =================================================================

                  Jim Smoot Report by Bob Seaborn
                           ~~~~~~~~~
    This goes back to the late-early days of Fidonet (about 10 years ago).
    The major distribution was set up and functioning, and a couple of
    talented programmers came along from Holland. One, Harald Harms, wrote
    and developed ALLFIX, a quality file-tosser, that is still extensively
    used today.  A second, Gerard van der Land, wrote Gecho, an extremely
    powerful echomail tosser, which while not being continued today,
    influenced the development of similar programs.

    With these developments came a Fidonet sysop, one Jim Smoot, at the
    time living in Texas, having retired from the US military, who worked
    with these programmers, and others, to market the fruits of their
    labour under what became known as the RegSite Team, at one time having
    members world-wide.  Jim also actively developed a series of beta
    teams to work with the programmers and debug the developing programs,
    as well as test new features.  During this time, Jim also represented
    other programs, including InterMail/InterEcho, Telemate, and many
    others. The RegSite Team and beta teams are still functioning today.


    About 3 years ago, Jim's health dramatically failed, he was diagnosed
    with severe emphysema, resulting in very low lung function.  This was
    primarily caused by his military activities, coupled with years of
    smoking.  He also moved from Texas to Tennessee, to be closer to his
    immediate family (and the NASCAR tracks).  After various up's and
    down's, he was placed on the waiting list for a lung transplant.  Well
    the time finally arrived, last evening (November 13, 2000) I received
    the following email from him:


    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2000 08:08:14 From: Jim & Nancy Smoot Subject: The
    time is upon us .....


    Only have a few minutes, but the Transplant Coordinator at H.H.
    McQuire Hospital in Richmond, VA called and they have a left lung for
    me. Ergo, they are sending a Jet Air Ambulance to Springfield for to
    pick me and Miz Nancy up and fly us to Richmond where they are going
    to replace my left lung tonight.  They haven't even taken the lung out
    of the other person yet.....keeping him/her on a life support system
    until they can get me there.  Beyond that, I have NO clue if its a guy
    or a girl's lung, not any of the circumstances involved with the
    person, nor how old or young (s)he is.

    I have a GREAT team of Pulmo Doctors up there, and their after surgery
    care is out of this world ..... really good.  But, there is ALWAYS
    that element of chance in a procedure such as this ..... I just hope
    they are all sober tonight and feeling good.  :)

    Gotta run; will keep everyone posted on whats what and how everything
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    is going on with me.  Miz Nancy is already in a dither, running around
    here like a chicken with her head cut off ..... but she DOES have a
    method to her madness, I guarantee. I can already see some of her
    "doings" starting to fall into place.  :)

            Thats it ..... gotta scoot.  C U later, gang.

     All The Best,

      --- J. Smoot
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    I did have a chance to briefly talk with Jim prior to his leaving
    Springfield, and while he sounded somewhat worried, he was in
    excellent spirits, joking about his flight north.  I wished him the
    best.  At the time, he asked me to let his many Fido friends know what
    was happening with him.


    It was obviously a long sleepless night for Jim's family and close
    friends, and early this morning I received a phobe call from Lisa, his
    youngest daughter, who reported that as of 7:45 EST, Jim was still in
    the operating room, and the doctors were optimistic as to the
    prognosis. She sounded very worried and upset, albeit somewhat calm.
    Reported that she was in better shape than Nancy, her mother.


    Then about 12:15 EST Lisa called again to report that Jim was out of
    the operating room, and in recovery, and all is good.  He will be kept
    there for a couple of hours, then woken up and moved to the Intensive
    Care Unit for a couple of days, during which time he will be asked to
    walk around to get the lung functional.  After that, they will be
    monitoring him for signs of rejection.  Lisa sounded very relieved,
    and reported that Nancy (her mother) was in high spirits.  I gathered
    that the plans were to keep him there for a few weeks.

                 ~~~~~~~~~Our Prayers be With Jim~~~~~~~~~~~


    By: Lee Ayrton
    To: Warren Bonner
    Re: TAPS History WAS: FidoNews 17:47 [01/03] Articles
    St: Rcvd
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Warren:

    I realize that I'm in the running for FidoNet's Resident Curmudgeon
    position, and I'm not trying to pick on you, but you've really, really
    got to get an improved Paul Harvey/Ann Landers[1] filter.  The
    *documented* history of the bugle call we now know as "taps" is much
    more interesting and considerably less maudlin.
                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Editor's note: Not a contest to see who's version is correct or all
    that accurate, rather everyone's point of view considered. Might I add
    that Westpoint's *documentation* came long after Captain Ellicomb was
    a dim memory.  Legends often are the root of true history.
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                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    From www.west-point.org/taps/Taps.htm

    The Story of Taps:
    Ed-note: {Remodeled to please the Army brass at Westpoint}

    The 24-note melancholy bugle call known as "taps" is thought to be a
    revision of a French bugle signal, called "tattoo" that notified
    soldiers to cease an evening's drinking and return to their garrisons.
    It was sounded an hour before the final bugle call to end the day by
    extinguishing fires and lights. The last five measures of the tattoo
    resemble taps.

    The word "taps" is an alteration of the obsolete word "taptoo" derived
    from the Dutch "taptoe."  Taptoe was the command - "Tap toe!" - to
    shut "toe to") the "tap" of a keg.

    The revision that gave us present-day taps was made during America's
    Civil War by Union Gen. Daniel Adams Butterfield, heading a brigade
    camped at Harrison Landing, Va., near Richmond. Up to that time, the
    U.S. Army's infantry call to end the day was the French final call,
    "L'Extinction des feux."; Gen. Butterfield decided the "lights out"
    music was too formal to signal the day's end. One day in July 1862 he
    recalled the tattoo music and hummed a version of it to an aide, who
    wrote it down in music. Butterfield then asked the brigade bugler,
    Oliver W. Norton, to play the notes and, after listening, lengthened
    and shortened them while keeping his original melody.

    He ordered Norton to play this new call at the end of each day
    thereafter, instead of the regulation call. The music was heard
    and appreciated by other brigades, who asked for copies and adopted
    this bugle call. It was even adopted by Confederate buglers.

    This music was made the official Army bugle call after the war, but
    not given the name "taps" until 1874.

    The first time taps was played at a military funeral may also have
    been in Virginia soon after Butterfield composed it.  Union Capt. John
    Tidball, head of an artillery battery, ordered it played for the
    burial of a cannoneer killed in action. Not wanting to reveal the
    battery's position in the woods to the enemy nearby, Tidball
    substituted taps for the traditional three rifle volleys fired over
    the grave. Taps was played at the funeral of Confederate Gen.
    Stonewall Jackson 10 months after it was composed. Army infantry
    regulations by 1891 required taps to be played at military funeral
    ceremonies.

    Taps now is played by the military at burial and memorial services, to
    accompany the lowering of the flag and to signal the "lights out"
    command at day's end.

                   ----- taps.txt ends -----

    A few of the sites note that there are several different versions
    of the lyrics, which were not appended to the bugle call until
    several years after its adoption by the US Army.
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    Also, there's no evidence that Captain Ellicombe, USA (or, in some
    versions, Ellison) ever existed during the USAian "war between the
    states", much less that he stumbled across his own dead son in
    CSA uniform.  That bit right there should have set off Urban Legend
    alarms.
    <That is what history usually records in many versions by authors>
    See also:
    www.va.gov/pubaff/celebAm/taps.htm
    www.arlingtoncemetery.com/taps.htm
    www.west-point.org/taps.htm
    www.mdw.army.mil/FS-H06.htm
    and, of course, the first place to look:
    www.snopes.com/spoons/fracture/taps.htm

    IIRC, the snopes site includes links to a site with transcriptions
    of correspondence with Captain Butterfield and his recollections
    of the events.
    Ed-Note: Proof that the Army Brass designed this version, and in my
    mind was an after thought to the original, no disrespect to the Gen.

    [1] Paul Harvey, USAian radio personality and political commentatory
    long known for masterful retellings of compelling but false stories
    and Ann Landers, advice to the lovelorn columnist, long known for her
    lack of research and willingness to publish the most silly things.

    Ed-note: Bringing Paul and Ann into this as some kind of
    substantiation of your findings is totally irrelevant as they wrote
    neither version of "TAPS".

    --- Msged TE 05
     * Origin: Binkley's Anxiety Closet! (1:320/455)

                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                             More History

    Subject: re: kwityer bitchin
    Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:28:40 PM
         From: [Click here to send a message.][email protected]
           To: [Click here to send a message.][email protected]

    Hi,
    I was a member of FidoNet 1989-1994, being 3:690/611, 3:690/633,
    3:691/133, 3:691/196, among others.  I recall at the time there was
    always a lot of infighting in the heirarchies, and there was always
    the onerous ZMH "technical" requirement, and there was always the
    secretive admin echoes, to which everyone gets calendestine access
    anyway......

    But I recall most vividly, I was just thinking of it the other day
    actually, one particular issue of FidoNews which contained an email
    from a certain Kwityer Bitchin ......

    In the email, Kwityer set about most eloquently describing the woes of
    the time.  Which were, of course, all political in nature.

    Now, ten years have passed, and I by accident find www.fido.net ... I
     FIDONEWS 17-48               Page 24                  20 Nov 2000


    feel like I have come home -- for a moment, until I realize why it was
    I left.  You folks are just the same!  You could dig up that copy of
    FidoNews from ten years ago, read Kwityer's article, and it would hold
    true, to the letter.

    I write you this email via the heirarchy-free internet, where
    protecting free speech means being able to say what you want, not
    hiding what you say in sysop conferences, because I am, to be honest,
    disappointed that after all this time, there has been no change in the
    FidoNet approach.

    You even have the same old policy 4.

    I am a FidoNet veteran -- yet still I was taken aback by the roasting
    I found at the very top of the editorial of the latest edition of
    fidonews on the web.  Let's consider this.  Imagine how many dog-
    lovers are having nightmares after inadvertently visiting the fidonet
    websites.  Is there no sense of customer relations over there?  Is the
    fidonews website for sharing information, or just another political
    tool?

    Don't worry, Kwityer answered that question a decade ago.

    Good luck Stuart Udall [email protected] http://cyberdelix.net/
    ..revolution through evolution

    PS: You are welcome to publish this letter to the editor.. I provide
    the following reference for your perusal.

    Riddle, Mike., "An Open Letter to Kwityer Bitchin", Fidonews v7 n36,
    Sept 3 1990, pp5-7.

                        ~~~~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~~~~

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

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    =================================================================
                            GETTING TECHNICAL
    =================================================================

                          by Steve Leeman

    By: Steven Leeman To: All Re: V92 en V44 another occurence of the
    coming of a new modem protocol!

    V92 speed flag (the uplink speed will now be updated from 33k6 to 44k)
    and a new compression flag based on LZH giving an improvement of 1:6
    instead of 1:4 called V44

    was their room in the nodelist for additional flags?

    =====================================================================
    * Forwarded by Steven Leeman (2:292/624) * Area : POINTS.028 (-
    FidoNet: Echo for Point from Holland) * From : Henri Derksen,
    2:280/1208@FidoNet (Thursday November 16 2000 00:57) * To   : Allemaal
    * Subj : V92 en V44
    =====================================================================
    * Forwarded from "044  High Speed Modems in NL" * Originally by Henri
    Derksen * Originally to Allemaal * Originally dated 16 Nov 2000, 0:57

    Hallo Allemaal,

    In het Engelstalige tijdschrift Acorn User issue 225 van Oktober 2000
    wordt door SysOp David Dade van Arcade BBS melding gemaakt van het
    feit dat de ITU-T (voorheen CCITT) zojuist de V92 en de V44 modem
    standaarden heeft uitgebracht. Zie ook: http://www.acornuser.com

    Ter illustratie eerst even de tot nu toe bekende situatie (history):

    HighSpeed DataComm met een V90 modem op zowel Analoge als ISDN-lijnen
    of een combinatie van die twee.

    ITU-T V90    64000/56000/33600 bps (inclusief de rest van V34)

    BBS-user / Point     BBS BossNode / InterNet Service Provider
    Originate modem      Answer Modem    Maximaal mogelijke snelheden in
    bps:

    1 Analoog     Analoog         Rx  33.600 / Tx  33.600 = V34+ / V34+ 2
    ISDN        Analoog         Rx  33.600 / Tx  56.000 = V34+ / V90c 3
    Analoog     ISDN            Rx  56.000 / Tx  33.600 = V90s / V34+ 4
    ISDN        ISDN            Rx  56.000 / Tx  56.000 = V90  / V90 5
    ISDN        ISDN            Rx  64.000 / Tx  64.000 = V90  / V90


    Nieuw is de ITU-T V92 standaard met 44.000 bps in de plaats van de
    33.600 bps bij High Speed Split Bitrate verbindingen.

    ITU-T V92    64000/56000/44000 bps (inclusief de rest van V90 en V34)

    BBS-user / Point     BBS BossNode / InterNet Service Provider
    Originate modem      Answer Modem    Maximaal mogelijke snelheden in
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    bps:

    1 Analoog     Analoog         Rx  44.000 / Tx  44.000 = V34+ / V34+ 2
    ISDN        Analoog         Rx  44.000 / Tx  56.000 = V34+ / V92c 3
    Analoog     ISDN            Rx  56.000 / Tx  44.000 = V92s / V34+ 4
    ISDN        ISDN            Rx  56.000 / Tx  56.000 = V92  / V92 5
    ISDN        ISDN            Rx  64.000 / Tx  64.000 = V92  / V92

    Noot: een oude bekende Low Speed Split Bitrate verbinding was
    1200rx/75tx ;-). Vandaar de min of meer verplichte InterSpeedBuffer !
    Zeker bij PC's die geen splitrate op hun seriele poort aankonden.

    Ook nieuw is V44 een opvolger van V42bis OnLine DataCompressie. V44
    maakt gebruik van het LZJH algoritme en heeft daardoor een maximale
    OnLine Compressie verhouding van 1:6 tegen 1:4 bij V42bis, 25% beter
    dus.

    Vermoedelijk zijn V92 en V44 de laatste wijzigingen voor het analoge
    modem ? Immers na die tijd komen ISDN-, ADSL- en CAI-Coaxkabel-modems
    op de voorgrond.

    Wie weet er meer over V92 en V44? Tot nu toe heb ik er nog zeer weinig
    tot niets van gehoord. Ik wilde mijn ZyXEL Elite 2864 modem (V34) met
    een flashrom upgraden naar V90, maar ik denk dat ik beter even kan
    wachten, totdat ook de V92 flashromimage beschikbaar is ?

    Ben heel benieuwd naar jullie reacties en tot wedermails.

    Met een vriendelijke groet van  |_|     |\ | |enri |/erksen, SysOp
    UniCorn BBS

    NetMail:            77:8500/504.1 @ AcoNet 2:2801/208.1 @ FidoNet

    InterNet E-Mail to: [email protected]

    UniCorn BBS:        +31-(0)26-4425506   Modem 8N1 t/m V34 28.800 bps
    TeleFAX:            +31-(0)26-4425506.

    -+- + Origin: Connectivity is the Future; UniCorn BBS 31 26 4425506
    (2:280/1208)
    =====================================================================
    `T7 ]=[ http://welcome.to/skynetbbs (Dutch/English) ... Fidonet, Where
    do you want to go today --- * Origin: SkyNet Bbs <32-(0)16-580862>
    (2:292/624)



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    =================================================================
                                NET HUMOR
    =================================================================

    This column on humor is to somewhat offset the political squabbles.
    I hope it gives your funny bone a mild tickle...relax and enjoy.
                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Subject: Dead or alive?
    A kindergarten teacher had a pupil tell her he had found a frog.
    She inquired as to whether it was alive or dead.  "Dead," she was
    informed.

    "How do you know?" she asked.

    "Because I pissed in it's ear," said the child innocently.

    "You did WHAT?" squealed the teacher in surprise.

    "You know," explained the boy, "I leaned over and went 'PSSST'.
    It didn't move."
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                  Guess who may run for President 2008
                  ------------------------------------

    Bill and Hillary are out driving in the country near Hillary's
    hometown. They are low on fuel, so Bill pulls into a  gas station for
    a fill-up.  The attendant comes out and begins to pump gas into the
    first couple's tank. As he is doing this, he looks into the  passenger
    window. "Hey, Hillary. We used to date in high school, do you remember
    me?" he asks. They chat for a few minutes, Bill pays and  the first
    couple leaves. As they drive Bill is feeling very proud of  himself
    and looks over at Hillary. "You used to date that guy?  Just think
    what it would be like if you had married him, "he says smugly. Hillary
    looks at Bill and shrugs. Then she replies, "Well I guess you'd be
    pumping gas and he would be the President
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
       Little Johnny watched, fascinated, as his mother
             smoothed cold cream on her face.
          "Why do you do that mommy?"  he asked.

     "To make myself beautiful," said his mother, who then
          began removing the cream with a tissue.

     "What's the matter?" asked Little Johnny.  "Giving up?"

    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Celebrating Holidays

    An atheist complained to a friend, "Christians have
    their special holidays, such as Christmas and Easter;
    and Jews celebrate their holidays, such as Passover
    and Yom Kippur; Muslims have their holidays.  EVERY
    religion has its holidays.  But we atheists," he said,
    "have no recognized national holidays.  It's an unfair
    discrimination." His friend replied, "Well...  Why
    don't you celebrate April first?"
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    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Popemobile
                        POPE'S LIMOUSINE

    The Pope had just finished a tour of the East Coast and was
    taking a limousine to the airport. Having never driven a
    limo, he asked the chauffeur if he could drive for a while.
    Without much of a choice, the chauffeur climbed in the back
    of the limo and the Pope took the wheel.
    After gleefully accelerating to about 90 mph, the Pope was
    pulled over by the State Patrol. The trooper came to his
    window, took a look inside, and said, "Just a moment,
    please. I need to call in."
    The trooper called in and asked for the chief. He told the
    chief, "I've got a REALLY important person pulled over and
    I need to know what to do."
    The chief replied, "Who is it? A senator?"
    The trooper said, "No, even more important."
    The chief asked, "It's the Governor, isn't it?"
    "No. More important."
    "The President?"
    "No. More important."
    "Well, Who the heck is it?!," screams the chief.
    "I don't know," said the trooper. "But he's got the Pope as
    a chauffeur."
    ---------------------------------------------------------

    Every Sunday, a little old lady placed $1,000 in the collection plate.
    After several weeks the priest was overcome with curiosity and
    approached her. "I couldn't help but notice that you put $1,000 a week
    in the collection plate,"

    "Why yes," she replied, "every week my son sends me money, and what I
    don't need I give to the church."

    "That's wonderful, how much does he send you?"

    "Oh, about $2,000 a week."

    "Your son must be very successful, what does he do for a living?"

    "He's a veterinarian," she answered.

    "That is an honorable profession. Where does he practice?"

    "Well, he has one cat house in Kansas City and another in Dallas".
    ------------------------------------------------------------------

                         Coin Flip
    I'm sure that the idea of tossing a coin for the presidency is not
    original but I suggest a coin toss with a little extra twist. The
    Secretary of the Treasury should go to the mint and procure a brand
    new silver dollar. (Are we still making silver dollars?) The dollar
    should then be tossed into the air and the winner of the toss will
    then have his choice of either the presidency or the silver dollar.
    If he's smart he'll take the dollar.
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    -------------------------------------------------------------------

    A keen Texas lad applied for a salesman's job at a city
    department store. The store was the biggest in the world
    and sold everything under the sun.

    "Have you ever been a salesman before?" the boss asked
    during his interview.

    "Yes, I was a salesman in Texas," the lad answered. The
    boss took an immediate liking to him and told him he
    could start the next day.

    "I'll come and see how you made out after we close up,"
    the boss said.

    The day was long and hard for the young man, but finally
    it was 5 o'clock. The boss closed up the store and found
    the lad sitting, slumped and exhausted, in a chair. "How
    many sales did you make today?" the boss asked.

    "One," said the lad.

    "One?" said the boss, obviously displeased. "Most of the
    sales people on my staff make 20 or 30 sales a day. How
    much was the sale worth?"

    "Exactly $101,334.53," said the young man.

    "How did you manage that?!?" asked the boss,
    flabbergasted.

    "Well," said the lad, "this man came in and I sold him a
    small fish hook, then a medium fish hook, and finally a
    really large hook. Then I sold him a small fishing line, a
    medium one, and huge one. I asked him where he was
    going fishing, and he said he was going down the coast. I
    said he'd probably need a boat, so I took him down to
    the boat department and sold him that fancy 22-foot
    Chris Craft with twin engines. Then he said his Honda
    Civic probably wouldn't be able to handle the load, so I
    took him to the vehicle department and sold him a new
    GMC 1-ton pickup truck."

    "You sold all that to guy who came in for a fish hook?"
    the boss asked in astonishment.

    "He didn't come in to buy a fish hook," the Texas boy
    explained. "He came in to buy a box of tampons for his
    wife, and I said to him, 'Your weekend's shot. You might
    as well go fishing.' "
                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    By: Dan Ceppa, Valencia (393/9005.30)
    ---------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 17-48               Page 30                  20 Nov 2000


    I had a customer buy a deer whistle.

    She returned it because she found out it was to scare deer away rather
    than call them to her!

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    =================================================================
                          QUESTION OF THE WEEK
    =================================================================


    By: Dave Hamilton
    To: Ross Cassell
    Re: ZC Election Procedures
    St:
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    RC> As a member of the RCC, I tried to make an eloquent presentation
    to RC> the others for a sysop level election by presenting a scenario
    with RC> imaginary numbers in which a ZC could be elected by winning
    the most RC> regions but not winning what would amount to be the
    popular vote..

    Let's see...

    Jeff Smith just said he wanted sysop-level, Carol said she wanted
    sysop-level. Darrell wanted sysop-level. Adding you makes four.

    How on earth did the vote come to be 8-2?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    If you said you supported sysop level elections, but voted in favour
    of an election policy that removed them, just say so. No one here will
    notice, I guarantee it.

     * Origin: Aurora Exploratoria - Ladysmith, BC,  Canada (1:229/622)

                        ~~~~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~~~~


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    =================================================================
                                 NOTICES
    =================================================================

                             ~~~~~~~
    These notices are filed here with the FidoNews as many readers may
    not read the "Z" echoes, and need to be informed about new releases.
    ====================================================================
    By: Ross Cassell
    To: All
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    Hello All!

    In light of all those clammorring for open access to the Z1REGCON
    echo, all three of them, I am backboning an echo which has a purpose
    similiar to that put in place by Ward Dossche regarding the ZCC echo.
    ZCC-PUBLIC is an echo that allows some posts from the super secret
    Zone Coordinator Council echo to be made public, I believe most of
    which are authored by Ward or posted by Ward with permission in those
    cases when he isnt the author.

    I realize that this is not gonna alleviate all the fears expressed,
    but you can either take it or leave it, lets see if it works?

    I hope to have it backboned within a week or so, the elist message
    has been sent, the tagname is RCC-PUBLIC.

    Here are the rules:


    === Cut ===
                                   RCC-PUBLIC RULES
                                   ================

                                MODERATOR - Ross Cassell
                               1:18/500 [email protected]

                                   [Purpose Of Echo]

    A place in which each Zone One RC can at their option, crosspost into
    here anything that they posted in the Z1REGCON echo for the
    consumption of the rest of the ZONE.

    Know this:

    * If a message is posted in here from Z1REGCON, it must have been done
    so via its author.

    * Assuming the above, message replies may not be false ones to reveal
    the contents of another RC's message, in order to satisfy the above
    unless steps are taken to protect the identity of the person being
    replied to.

    * Messages may not be forwarded into here from Z1REGCON unless the
    person doing the forwarding is the author of the message being
    forwarded.
     FIDONEWS 17-48               Page 33                  20 Nov 2000


    * Participation in this echo by ANY Zone One RC is optional, do not
    draw any inference via any lack of participation by any Zone One RC.

    * Scully and Mulder can be found on your nearest FOX TV station, look
    for conspiracies with them but not in here.

    * You are encouraged to engage in any dialogues that may result from
    what got posted here, however also use this echo as tool to engage
    your OWN RC in the regional forums appropriate for you.

               [Access and Other Things]

    * This echo may not be distributed beyond Fidonet Zone One.

    * This echo may not be gated into othernets(tm).

    * Only Listed Fidonet sysops may access. This means not for general
    consumption by your BBS users, we dont need a matzdobre. <g>

    Beyond this, the usual and typical etiquette should apply including
    but not limited to:

    * Real names only.

    * No excessive quoting.

    * Keep the profanity in check.

    -The Moderator-

    === Cut ===
    Ross
    E-mail: [email protected] ICQ = 5305939

    --- GoldED/W32 3.0.1
     * Origin: The Dark Corner [Mail Hub] - 864.573.7069 (1:18/500)

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                  http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
        Net 102   http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
        Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
        Net 203:  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
      Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
       Net 2410:  http://www.earforce.dyndns.org/net2410/
      Region 12:  http://sparkys.dyndns.org
      Region 13:  http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
        Net 264:  http://www.net264.org/
        Net 275:  http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
      Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
        Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
      Region 15:  <vacant>
      Region 16:  <vacant>
      Region 17:  http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
        Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
      Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

      Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
        Net 124:  http://www.startext.net/np/net124
                  http://texoma.net/~flv
        Net 130:  http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
        Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

    Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
                  ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
      Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
      Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

      Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                  http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
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        Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
      Region 25:  http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
      Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
         REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
      Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
      Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                  http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
      Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)
    ? Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net  (Italian)
      Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
          REC34:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
      Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
      Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
      Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
      Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
    !    Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
      Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
       Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
       Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
       Net 5028:  http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
       Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
       Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
       Net 5074:  http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
    ??  Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

    Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

    Zone 4:
      Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
      Region 90:
        Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

    Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

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      Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
                  (Chinese)


                         Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

    See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

    a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
    address. The email is translated as follows
    [email protected] will automatically route to the
    appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
    also receive routed notice of this feature.  In my case, it
    would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

    Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
    latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
    time between when the message is received, and when it is
    sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
    defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
    immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
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    after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

               v-email flag [email protected]
               | email address or
    Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
               |                   |                |latency|
    -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
    Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
      10/3     | Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
      10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
      12/12    @ Ken Wilson        | FTP            | T1    | $24mo.
      13/25    @ Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
     19/68     | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS       | 33.6k | n/c
     103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | 384k,!| n/c
     103/153   @ Michael Box       | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
     103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
     103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
     105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
     105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
     106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
     106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
     107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
     140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
     167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
     211/417   @ Korombos          | BinkP,UUE,FTP  | T1    | n/c
     218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE      | 33.6k | n/c
     246/160   @ Mason Vye         | FTP, UUE       | 56K   | n/c
     249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
     280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
     342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
     395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | 128k  | n/c
     379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
     396/1     @ John Souvestre    | FTP,VMoT       | T1,10 | $5/mo
     396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
    2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
    2613/404   @ David Moufarrege  | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
    2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
    3613/2     @ [email protected] | UUE            | 28.8  | n/c
    3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
    3639/93    @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
    3651/9     @ Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Zone 2     |
      20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
     203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
     221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
     236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
     292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   |N/C
     292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE          | 64k     | N/C
     292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
     292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
     301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
     332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
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     335/535   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
     335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
     344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     464/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | 19.2  | n/c
     465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
     469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
     480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
    2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
    2446/301   @ Lothar Behet      | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
    2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
    5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Zone 3
     633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
     640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
     774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Zone 4
     905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
     902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c

    --
    * FTP   = Internet File Transfer Protocol
    * VMoT  = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
    * UUE   = uuencode<->email type transfers
    * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
    * NFS   = Linux Networking
    ----------------------------------------------
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    news.osirusoft.com
    news.tardis.net

    Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

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    irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)

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    most especially, email addressed to [email protected]
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