F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 47 13 Nov

F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 47 13 Nov
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Editorial ................................................ 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 3
Letters on the Ed's Desk ................................. 3
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 5
*ARTICLES* ............................................... 5
4. COLUMNS .................................................. 7
Ol'WDB's Column .......................................... 7
5. FIDONET BIOGRAPHIES ...................................... 8
Site Biographies of Fido & Links ......................... 8
6. FIDONET HISTORY .......................................... 9
* History * .............................................. 9
7. REVIEWS .................................................. 11
-=Reviews=- .............................................. 11
8. GETTING TECHNICAL ........................................ 12
-=Technocal Funnys=- ..................................... 12
9. QUESTION OF THE WEEK ..................................... 14
This Week's QUESTIONS .................................... 14
10. NOTICES ................................................. 15
-+=NOTICES=+- ............................................ 15
11. FIDONET BY INTERNET ..................................... 18
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EDITORIAL
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[email protected]
[email protected]
1:1/23
Please be aware of the NEW [email protected] address which
replaces my Pacbell.net address used in the past. Outlook Express has
become suspect in opportunities for worms and hackers. This Netscape
internet email address will be the preferred address in the future.

Now to share some salsa and chips and your favorite beverage... 8^)
It seems that the water is about to boil in the Z1C electorial pot.
Fingers pointing every direction. No one yet willing to openly agree
on the proposed appointment of a temporary ZC to hold an election...
or even when that will be. Hello, RCC. The ball is in your court...
( I hope I don't get fired for this little nudge). Oh! look!
Black helicopters rising into the sunrise....
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By: Dave Hamilton

David posted his *intention* to merge R14. Sysops here objected to it.
Everyone who responded thought it was a bad decision.

Nobody proposed that in the future he make no decisions without
zone-wide referendum. The complaint was that he made a decision about
a specific group of sysops without knowing what *those* sysops wanted.
I hope that those sysops who spoke up were motivated by a fear of "it
could happen to me."

Had he responded to the protests there would have been hardly a ripple
in the water. It was, after all, not a done deal.

I'm not sure where the RCC needs to fit into this example, but if it
had been the RCC who stated this intention, I'll bet the response
would have been the same.

I do agree with the proposal that the arcane RCC echo should be
available as read-only to whomever wants it. People with comments
could make them in their regional echos, netmail to their RC's, or
here, depending on the scope of whatever point interested them.

--- FleetStreet 1.26 * Origin: Aurora Exploratoria - Ladysmith, BC,
Canada (1:229/622)
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By: Darrell Salter To: Foxy Ferguson
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Foxy Ferguson wrote in a message to Dave Hamilton:
Dave says:
Darrell keeps us very well informed about topics occupying the minds
of the RCC. Foxey replies: It does not appear to be a two-way
information flow, Dave, since other members of the RCC have stated
that they =want= his input but do not seem to be getting it at
anything like the frequency they would like...

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Darrell states:
I serve the sysops, not the RCC. I couldn't care less what they think
of the frequency of my posts or my level of involvement in their plans
and discussions.

When the sysops ask me to relay something to the RCC, whether I agree
or not, I relay it. When the sysops ask me what is going on in there,
I tell them. The only reason I relay at all is because I have access
to the RCC echo and the sysops do not. Were the sysops to have access
to that echo they could read what is going on themselves and could ask
questions of the Z1C, the RCs, Satti, and whomever else gets invited.
Personally, I think it's a rather silly arrangement the way it is now
and it leaves everything open to interpretation. The echo should be
made public or dissolved and brought into an already existent public
forum.

Darrell

[email protected]

http://sparkys.dyndns.org
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* Origin: Sparky's BBS (telnet://bbs.sprk.com) (1:229/1)
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Your ol'editor feels the interest among sysops would be greatly
enhanced if they had an inkling of the problems the NC/RCC deal with.
Hiding their g-e-n-e-r-a-l chatter on the g-e-n-e-r-a-l day to day
items that require their attention, is not a healthy way to build
sysop level participation in the future.

Sysops ignorance of the NC/RCC agendas severally and collectively,
breeds the mistrust and snipping that is detrimental to harmony,
training, and experience necessary to build a strong reliable future
Fido network.

IF data is so sensitive, or in a stage of development that would not
be appropriate for general population at that particular moment, RCC
knows how to use net&ip mails until it is ready for the "grunts"; but
let them READ if they are interested enough... there may be an another
great leader or two among them... RCC could designate another echo to
WRITE questions, suggestions and comments to them by the sysops.

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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By: Michael Grant
To: Warren Bonner
WB> I suggested in the distant past, that a "Election Chairman
Office" be established on a permenamt bassis to handle elections.
An ECO echo. The duties of this office could be handled by a
designated RC, by the collective wisdom of the RCC.

MG> I like this idea, Warren, but would take it a step further, and
say why should a possible Election Chariman have to be an RC? It seems
to me this is a very different thing from the duties of an RC, and
could be handled quite aptly even by someone with no experience in
nodelist processing. All that would be required would be some prior
experience in running an election, and knowledge of the accepted
guidelines. Furthermore, I feel if an RC were to take on this role, it
could tend to be a fair-sized distraction to his RC duties.

WB> Point well taken. Sysop be appointed by collective consensus of
the RCC.... would that work?

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By: Tony Campbell
web: http://www.fidotel.com/public/fidonews FTP:
ftp.fidotel.com (comprehensive archive of every Fidonews ever
published)
Thank you, Shannon Talley 1:275/311 [email protected]
-=ALSO=-
Ahem, the ONLINE readable complete collection is at:
http://www.TheLitterBox.org/fido.
Thank you Tony.
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By: Darrell Salter

No one's blaming you for that and no one can predict the future. At
least FIDOPOLS would have been a public forum where interested parties
could have voiced their opinions. As the moderator you could have kept
the threads on track and progress could have been made by involving
the right people, the sysops. Dave Hamilton pointed me towards the
echo some months back and I 'fixed it, but it was too late apparently.

Just thinking out loud here but I still maintain that too much is
expected of *Cs and there is not enough sysop involvement. *Cs should
be left to tend to nodelist duties and the real direction and decision
making should be left to the sysops of which there are many capable
ones. A *C with too many responsibilities can quickly become
overwhelmed with work and expectations no matter how hard they try.
Besides their nodelist duties a lot of them pull extra-duty as mail
movers, representatives, arbitrators, bean counters, new- sysop
advisors, moderators, etc. with the result being that few of these
jobs get done as well as they might and the *Cs and the sysops lose
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sight of the hobby. *Cs get super-experienced and the sysops get left
out and disinterested.

If David had stuck to tending the nodelist would he have been able to
serve out his term? I don't know but I'd guess he probably could and
if he couldn't, wouldn't it be great to know that there are lots of
sysops around with experience tending the nodelist? David could have
come to the sysops and said 'hey guys, I'm just too busy these days to
carry on in this role'. The sysops could have selected someone and
sent him on his way. Done deal! Same goes for any *C. But when you've
got a *C that has hung on to the job seemingly forever like Satti did,
and when *Cs pass the jobs amongst each other instead of bringing in
new faces and fresh blood, it appears to me almost everyone around
them drops off and loses interest.

Most of the sysops here are involved in the jobs of Fidonet to some
degree. If each of us did a job for a while and handed off that job to
someone new fairly regularly, in a few short years you'd have loads of
involved, knowledgable, sysops. You wouldn't have the large gap of
sysops that know what's going on and ones that don't. Sure there'll
always be those that simply don't want to get involved but there's no
way that every capable sysop in this hobby is being given the
opportunity to contribute and without those contributions this network
is going to continue to falter.

Darrell
[email protected]
http://sparkys.dyndns.org --- * Origin: Sparky's BBS
(telnet://bbs.sprk.com) (1:229/1)

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ARTICLES
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Hi folks, I have some articles submitted to me for publication this
week. I had originally formatted them and installed them here.

On final reading I was not happy with the way different articles
clashed with each other's representations. Particularly do not want
to let the Snooze become a Fight Arena. Although no derogatory names
were called, names were mentioned and accusations were made.

So I have pulled them out of this issue as the other Zones do not
want to wade through a quarrelsome atmosphere. I still want your
articles, but not combative hurtful articles, rather enlightening
items preferably composed by yourselves.

How about these subject: "Proposal complete with rules for elections
of all levels"; "Proposal for expanding the Snooze to have a PDF
issue"; "Proposal for a rewritten Policy"...ect Ed-P-T
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If you can pass this along, you will be blessed in ways you may never
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FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 6 13 Nov 2000

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COLUMNS
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WarBonD777.aol.com
Golf Interruptions

It's Saturday morning. Bob's just about to set off on a round of golf
when he realizes that he forgot to tell his wife that the guy who
fixes the washing machine is coming around at noon.

So Bob heads back to the clubhouse and phones home.

"Hello" Says a little girl's voice. "Hi, honey, it's Daddy," says Bob.
"Is Mommy near the phone?"

"No, Daddy. She's upstairs in the bedroom with Uncle Frank."

After a brief pause, Bob says,

"But you haven't got an Uncle Frank, Honey!"

"Yes, I do, and he's upstairs in the bedroom with Mommy!"

"Okay, then. Here's what I want you to do. Put down the phone, run
upstairs and knock on the bedroom door and shout to Mommy and Uncle
Frank that my car's just pulled up outside the house."

"Okay, Daddy!"

A few minutes later, the little girl comes back to the phone. "Well, I
did what you said, Daddy."

"And what happened?"

"Well, Mommy jumped out of bed with no clothes on and ran around
screaming; then she tripped over the rug and fell down the stairs and
she's just lying there. I think she's dead."

Oh my God! And what about Uncle Frank?"

"He jumped out of bed with no clothes on, and he was all scared and he
jumped out the back window into the swimming pool. But he must have
forgot that last week you took out all the water to clean it, so he
hit the bottom of the swimming pool and is just lying there, not
moving. I think he may be dead, too."

There is a long pause, then Bob says,

"Swimming pool? Is this 854-7039?"

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FIDONET BIOGRAPHIES
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Collin County Station
Fidonet - 1:124/6308
Web Page - http://texoma.net/~flv

Collin County Station's Web Page has undergone some major changes. For
those that were linking to the old "http://texoma.net/~flv/ccs.htm"
address, please remove the "ccs.htm" from there and just leave the
"/~flv".

What's new??

1. Relocated the page to a sub-directory on the server and made a
separate directory for images. It's easier to keep track of stuff this
way. :)

2. The pages were getting crowded and hard for me to manage, so I went
with a "frames" format and a pull down men (java script) to get
around with. I think it looks and works a lot better.

3. Sorted through the pages and put some stuff in categories. You'll
notice this the most in the "software" links. Man, they were a mess!
:-))

4. Did some cosmetic changes and created some graphics as well as
removed some things.

I hope you'll find this site easier to navigate and better all around.
Drop in a check it out. For those of you that have been there before,
drop back by. For those that have never checked it out, please do.
Either way, let me know if everything is working and what you think.
:-)

Have a great day,

Frank - 1:124/6308
[email protected]

[email protected]
http://texoma.net/~flv
http://bise.tzo.com/r19
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FIDONET HISTORY
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Did you know...?
-= TAPS =-
From a fellow Veteran of Foreign Wars

We have all heard the haunting song, "Taps." It's the song that gives
us that lump in our throats and usually creates tears in our eyes.
But, do you know the story behind the song? If not, I think you will
be pleased to find out about it's humble beginnings.

Reportedly, it all began in 1862 during the Civil War, when Union Army
Captain Robert Ellicombe was with his men near Harrison's Landing in
Virginia. The Confederate Army was on the other side of the narrow
strip of land.

During the night, Captain Ellicombe heard the moans of a soldier who
lay severely wounded on the field. Not knowing if it was a Union or
Confederate soldier, the Captain decided to risk his life and bring
the stricken man back for medical attention. Crawling on his stomach
through the gunfire, the Captain reached the stricken soldier and
began pulling him toward his encampment.

When the Captain finally reached his own lines, he discovered it was
actually a Confederate soldier, but the soldier was dead. The Captain
lit a lantern and suddenly caught his breath and went numb with shock.
In the dim light, he saw the face of the soldier. It was his own son.
The boy had been studying music in the south when the war broke out.
Without telling his father, the boy enlisted in the Confederate Army.

The following morning, heartbroken, the father asked permission of his
superiors to give his son a full military burial despite his enemy
status. His request was only partially granted. The Captain had asked
if he could have a group of Army band members play a funeral dirge for
his son at the funeral. The request was turned down since the soldier
was a Confederate. But, out of respect for the father, they did say
they could give him only one musician.

The Captain chose a bugler. He asked the bugler to play a series of
musical notes he had found on a piece of paper in the pocket of the
dead youth's uniform. This wish was granted. The haunting melody, we
now know as "Taps" used at military funerals, was born.

Day is done
Gone the sun
From the Lakes
From the hills
From the sky.
All is well, safely rest.
God is nigh.

Fading light
Dims the sight
And a star
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Gems the sky,
Gleaming bright
From afar,
Drawing nigh,
Falls the night.

Thanks and praise,
For our days,
Neath the sun,
Neath the stars,
Neath the sky,
As we go,
This we know,
God is nigh.

We have all felt the chills while listening to "Taps" but I have never
seen all the words to the song until now. I didn't even know there was
more than one verse. I also never knew the story behind the song and I
didn't know if you had either so I thought I'd pass it along.

I now have an even deeper respect for the song than I did before.

Ed
*Note, copyrighted materials are never used without permission of
author or holder intentionally. Materials on the Internet seldom
display a copyright.
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REVIEWS
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By: Jack Yates
To: Andrea Santos
Ten weeks would have been more than enough to carry this off.

AS> Straight 10 weeks, sure. Throw in the US Election,
AS> Thanksgiving, Hanukah/Christmas and New Year's and I really
AS> can't think of a worse time to hold an election all year.

I slept on this before I answered, Andrea, and I came to the
conclusion that there is no ten-week period in the year that's
convenient to all for an election because so many look at an election
as an interruption in their lives, a duty that they perform merely to
discharge the obligation, or just a PITA and an interruption in their
lives. Summer elections are out of the question due to vacations,
yet our state has it's Primary election in July at the peak of the
vacation season. The ones who care, vote.

What you are saying is that this is the worst time of the year for
you.

The fact is that we *need* an election *now*, irrespective of the
inconvenience that it might cause for a few, or for many, if your
assessment is corrrect, and elections are held because of need, not
convenience. It would take about 15 minutes a day to read the
meaningful posts in a general election, most of Z1 won't spend *that*
much time reading them. Most of Z1 doesn't care who's in charge. I
know that you know how to sort through the posts and eliminate the
background noise, concentrating on the posts that matter; can you find
15 minutes a day?

Hold the election, pick a replacement for Mouf so that he can get on
with the things that have priority in his life and the few who
actually *care* about who's running this ranch will find the time.

None of this is gonna happen, though; I hope we have a temp Z1C
appointed by 5 JAN.

--- * Origin: Fresh off the farm.. (1:3613/1275.1)
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GETTING TECHNICAL
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Since no real technostuff was submitted this week...
I thought a little insight into the service dept....

IDIOTS IN SERVICE:

This week, all our office phones went dead and I had to contact the
telephone repair people. They promised to be out between 8:00 a.m.and
7:00 p.m. When I asked if they could give me a smaller time window,
the pleasant gentleman asked, "Would you like us to call you before we
come?" I replied that I didn't see how he would be able to do that,
since our phones weren't working. He also requested that we report
future outages by email (Does YOUR email work without a telephone
line?).
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IDIOTS AT WORK:

I was signing the receipt for my credit card purchase when the clerk
noticed I had never signed my name on the back of the credit card.
She informed me that she could not complete the transaction unless
the card was signed. When I asked why, she explained that it was
necessary to ompare the signature I had just signed on the receipt.
So I signed the credit card in front of her. She carefully compared
the signature to the one I had just signed on the receipt. As luck
would have it, they matched.
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IDIOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD:

I live in a semi-rural area. We recently had a new neighbor call the
local township administrative office to request the removal of the
Deer Crossing sign on our road. The reason: too many deer were being
hit by cars and he didn't want them to cross there anymore.
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IDIOT SIGHTING #1:

I was at the airport, checking in at the gate when an airport
employee asked, "Has anyone put anything in your baggage without your
knowledge?" To which I replied, "If it was without my knowledge, how
would I know?" He smiled knowingly and nodded, "That's why we ask."
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IDIOT SIGHTING #2:

The stoplight on the corner buzzes when it's safe to cross the
street. I was crossing with an intellectually-challenged coworker of
mine when she asked if I knew what the buzzer was for. I explained
that it signals blind people when the light is red. Appalled, she
responded, "What on earth are blind people doing driving?!"
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IDIOT SIGHTING #3:
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At a good-bye luncheon for an old and dear co-worker who was let go by
the company due to "down-sizing", our manager commented cheerfully,
"This is fun. We should do this more often". Not a word was spoken.
We all just looked at each other with that deer-in-the-headlights
stare.
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IDIOT SIGHTING #4:

I work with an individual who plugged her power strip back into itself
and for the life of her couldn't understand why her system would not
turn on.
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IDIOT SIGHTING #5:

When my husband and I arrived at an automobile dealership to pick up
our car, we were told the keys had been locked in it. We went to the
service department and found a mechanic working feverishly to unlock
the driver's side door. As I watched from the passenger side, I
instinctively tried the door handle and discovered that it was
unlocked. "Hey," I announced to the technician, "It's open!" To which
he replied, "I know - I already got that side."
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NOW DON'T YOU FEEL BETTER?
8^)
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QUESTION OF THE WEEK
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By: Ian Moote
To: LEE AYRTON
Re: What do you think??? 01
[...]
The other side of the coin, of course, is that I think we also need to
ask whether any of those older 8-bit systems are still members of
FidoNet. I mean, if they're not then maybe we should take this
opportunity to consider some _real_ technical improvements! [:)
[....]
I did also, as you say, come across a couple of websites which were
offering the current FidoNews online, ostensibly in HTML format
(although perhaps merely in <PRE>formated monospaced text).

You've got me wondering, however, whether anyone has made a .PDF ->
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
.HTML converter. They've done .PDF -> .TXT, why not HTML????
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* Origin: Moote Pointe (1:244/140)

Comments for the Answer column next week, anyone?"
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NOTICES
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(10700) Sat 11 Nov 00 7:16p
By: brenda donovan
To: All
Re: Version C.
St:
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this is just a draft and it's getting reviewed and updated even now.
Some things are being clarified better.

If you have any input, please say so and comment on it.

* Forwarded from "Z1REGCON"
* Original by Carol Shenkenberger (1:275/100)
* Original to All
* Original dated Fri 10 Nov 2000 7:51p

-+- Forwarded message follows: -+-

Lets see if this one suits 'well enough'. Tweaking of dates based on
how fast folks here can say they like it.

Draft 1, 10NOV Version C- RC's choicebased on region input. (notes,
timetable to be adjusted later)

ZONE 1 COORDINATOR ELECTION - 2000

The Z1C has announced an election, for a new Z1C. Per Policy4, the
ZC is elected by the RC's under them. It is the choice of the RC's to
do this by the following method per P4 section 6.2.

A Z1 Sysop is defined as any Sysop who is nodelisted and located
within the normal geographical boundries of zone 1.

The nodelist used will be the nodelist.### version. Reasonable
exceptions will be made if a node or net is accidently dropped from
this version. The term 'nodelisted' means listed in this version of
the nodelist.

Nominations

Nominating time table: NOV 12-25, 2000
All dates start at 00:00 and end at 00:00 EST

Any nodelisted Z1 Sysop of Fidonet may nominate themselves or
another nodelisted Sysop of Z1 Fidonet for the position of Z1C. The
nomination must be made in the Z1C_Election echo and be addressed to
the Election Coordinator.

(edit note, 2 assistants have volunteered and could be used at this
phase?)

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The nomination must include the name of the nominee and their
Fidonet node number.

Once a nomination has been received by the election coordinator,
the nominee's name will be added to the list. The nomination must
then be accepted by the nominee and seconded by a Z1 Sysop in the echo
to become a fully eligible candidate.

Discussion Period NOV 26- DEC 02, 2000
All dates start at 00:00 and end at 00:00 EST

Following the nomination period, a period shall be allowed for
each candidate to campaign for the position. During this
period, questioning of the candidates is encouraged. Flaming
is not.

Regional Feedback Period DEC 03-16, 2000
All dates start at 00:00 and end at 00:00 EST

Following the campaign period, a period shall be allowed for each
region to conduct selection proceedings in accordance with regional
policy and such methods as are determined as appropriate based on
regional policy or the desires of the Sysops within that region.

Your RC will inform you on exactly how this is to be done.

Regional Coordinator Voting - DEC 17-22, 2000
All dates start at 00:00 and end at 00:00 EST

Following collection of regional input, the RC's shall cast their
vote in the Z1C_ELECTION echo. The candidate with the most votes,
wins. If there is a tie and there are more than 2 candidates, a
revote with the top 2 candidates will commence.

Term begin/end:

Upon completion of the election, the newly elected Z1C's term
begins as soon as turnover can be accomplished.

Z1C Election Coordinator - 2000

-!- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4 ! Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA
757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100)

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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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*Fidonet-related sites

. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
Last update: November 4, 2000

FidoNet
Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.r10.org
http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
Net 102 http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Net 2410: http://www.earforce.dyndns.org/net2410/
Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org
Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
Region 15: <vacant>
Region 16: <vacant>
Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19
Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124
http://texoma.net/~flv
Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
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Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5028: http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
Net 5074: http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

Zone 4:
Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
(Chinese)

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
time between when the message is received, and when it is
sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 20 13 Nov 2000

after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

v-email flag [email protected]
| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
19/68 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS | 33.6k | n/c
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/2 @ [email protected] | UUE | 28.8 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k |N/C
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 21 13 Nov 2000

335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

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Zone 4
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c

--
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* NFS = Linux Networking
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Fidonet oriented news servers

news.osirusoft.com
news.tardis.net

Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted)

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Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
Joe Jared, 1:103/301, [email protected]. All email addresses
here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
obtaining a feed. Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
most especially, email addressed to [email protected]
will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam
stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com

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