F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 42 16 Oct 2000

F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 42 16 Oct 2000
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Editorial ................................................ 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 5
ARTICLES ................................................. 5
4. COLUMNS .................................................. 9
Ol'Codger's Column ....................................... 9
5. NET HUMOR ................................................ 11
6. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 13
7. QUESTION OF THE WEEK ..................................... 14
8. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 15
Fidonet Related Sites .................................... 15
9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 20
Masthead ................................................. 20
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EDITORIAL
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[email protected]

Great Day, wonderful day, happy day! Our spirits are up! Our Fidonews
is beginning to move in the right direction. I apologize for the many
posts by those persons in a religious `war' with each other. They saw
an opportunity to move into Fnews echo in Doug's passing. It is ironic
that the most un-christian mordant meanness exudes in the engagement,
comprising the tranquility and purpose of the echo. The parties all
claim the right to free speech, twisted to protect personal beliefs. I
have reluctantly "put a lid on it" when it didn't go away in a few
days.

We have some new things to consider in our "letters to the editor"
this week. Please take time to read them. I am especially looking
forward to many replies to my querrie on articles posting in DUAL
(two) languages. I have received no "Dual" articles as of this date.
Eneryone says they are for it, no one has opposed...Yet. Janis and
Winston have offered translation checking and will be busy if this
scheme ever gets "off the ground".

Several have already applauded the idea as long as an English
translation accompanies the submitted articles and published with
them. That may help with your "other" language by keeping you
"refreshed". It wont help with your "Pig latin" though.<chuckle>
Anyway, let me know your opinion.

Ooops...News flash... The "wonderful, happy day just crashed! News
just came this morning of the cowardly attack by terrorists on a U.S
Navy Destroyer Vessel as she entered port in Yemen for a four hour
refueling operation.

The explosion occurred aboard a small vessel assisting in docking and
the damage killed 17 sailors and injured three dozen some severely.
This is a major portion of the crew on a new destroyer such as the USS
Cole and the ship was severely damaged in the suicide attack .

Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of those killed and of
the sailors injured in the blast and we wish them a speedy recovery.
We hope that those responsible will be brought to justice. I want to
thank those readers who wrote me with their thoughts on this tragedy.

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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* Letters on the Ed's Desk
From: "Matthew C. Mc Carthy" 1:396/1.4 <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>

Hi Warren.

"The present officers being "grandfathered", (factored) in the plan. I
personally like, "International_WWW.Fidonet" for a name. Let me hear
what YOU think, please, that I may modify the ideas presented thus
far. Bear in mind this is only a discussion of Policy 4.07".
--------------------

That last sentence should read:
"Bear in mind this is only a discussion of Policy 1.00".

The rationale being that Policy 4.07 was a non-ratified document that
is held in esteem by some SysOps, and held in disregard by other
SysOps. That particular document, in and of itself, is a great
divisive factor within FidoNet!

If we are going to build a 'new ladder', we should begin from scratch,
and start from the bottom rung, Ver 1.0. Even the term "policy" is in
itself offensive to some SysOps!

Perhaps the term "Protocol Ver 1.0" would provide a smoother starting
point.

_Everything_ in FidoNet should be first clearly defined within the
document, ie: What is FidoNet? What is a BBS? What is a SysOp? What
is a Hub? What is Netmail? What kinds of Netmail are there? What is
an Echo? What is Echomail? What is a Moderator? What is the EList?
What is the FTSC? What is... etc., etc.

Once all the definitions are fixed, then the interrelations can be
demonstrated.

Beyond that point, there will be very little need for much "policy" as
almost everything will have already been spelled out "by definition".

One super-ambiguous phrase would likely remain valid though, and I can
think of no better way to express it, 'do not annoy nor be easily
annoyed'.

ALL the "commoners" (SysOps) should be allowed to provide input, as
well as be allowed to vote on the final product.

Some areas likely for lively discussion would be those concerning ZMH,
and the ability to receive Netmail. All such discussions should be
steered towards the NEW document, not the "way it's always been". What
does FidoNet _need_ in the 21st century!

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thank you Matt, lets see
if that cast catches a fish! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: "Michael Kleerbaum" 2:2432/203 <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>

Hi Warren,

there is another place, were everybody can download the FidoNews. From
the first issue to the latest, we have all collected. You can read
them there online or you can download them.

www.was-ist-fido.de

You don't have to speak German to find them on this homepage. The only
thing you have to do is to Click on the "FidoNews"-Button.

Please can you add our Homepage to this chapter?

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Thanks a lot! Michael

------Thanks for the invitation, and information, ol'wdb
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(6952) Thu 12 Oct 00 1:56p By: Warren Bonner To: Darrell Salter Re:
What do you think??? St: Sent
--------------------------------------------------------------- Warren
Bonner wrote in a message to ALL:

WB>Please let me know your thoughts on short dual lingo articles.

DS>I'm all for it. Thank you for asking.

Darrell

Thanks for the input Darrell.

ol'wdb ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(6993) Thu 12 Oct 00 12:40a By: Gregory Parks To: Warren Bonner Re:
What do you think??? St: Rcvd
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Quoting Warren Bonner to ALL <=-

WB> English is the official language of the Fidonews, but does WB>
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that prohibit articles being dual language presented to the WD> editor
for consideration? And if approved being published? WB> Please let me
know your thoughts on short dual lingo articles.

Do it! It'd do some of us monolingual types good and we might learn
something too. Actually I've studied classical latin several years so
if they ever perfect time travel...

Thanks for your input. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (7006) Thu 12 Oct 00
5:48p By: Michael Grant To: Warren Bonner Re: In Rememberance of
Doug... St: Rcvd
------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi
Warren;

Please don't take it as a criticism, but watching your initial "no
rules" proclamation, and almost immediate ensuing flame-fest that
occured in here, I couldn't help thinking that somewhere Doug Myers is
having a good chuckle over your sudden "baptism by fire" as Editor and
moderator of FIDONEWS.

FWIW, I think you have handled the extrordinary (For FIDONEWS, at
least) circumstances quite well, and considering things that were
said, you showed remarkable tolerance and restraint.

I'm sure it'll eventually get better here... ;)

Thanks for your input! ol'wdb

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ARTICLES
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The How, When, Where and Why cookbook
of FidoNet File Distribution
by Janis Kracht 1:2320/38 ([email protected])

No doubt you are familiar with Fidonet's life-blood, the message
echo which allows you to converse with people from all over the
world. Along with the echomail bundles you pick up daily, most
likely you have the opportunity to also pick up file echos. This
'cousin' of echomail makes shareware and freeware files from all
over the world available daily through the IFDC FileGate Project and
the Fidonet Filebone.

This article will attempt to provide a history of file distribution
for the curious, and cover the essentials in file distribution on
the bbs side, that is, the sysop who wants to make these files
available on his BBS for end-users. While it can't possibly replace
the documentation for your file tossing software, it may help a bit
in understanding the process.

In the beginning ....
(disclaimer: or far back as I can remember, corrections welcome <g>)

In the late 80's-early 90's, Barry Geller wrote a neat tool to allow
file archives to be distributed in much the same way as message
echos, i.e., to go from one system to another. His original TICK
program took care of the receiving and forwarding of new files,
while a companion program that Barry included, HATCH, allowed bbs
sysops to release new files into the file stream.

In Barry's word's:

" Tick is a program which does for files what echomail does for
messages. It was largely inspired by the program "Flea", by Ron
Bemis."

Before Barry developed TICK, file distribution was pretty much
limited to file requests, or limited distribution to specific sites.
Someone would collect files of interest to a specific audience and
have some people pick up new files, etc. Using this exciting new
toy, TICK, a number of people began send out files they'd collected,
or wrote themselves in distribution networks (FDNs).
One-Stop-Shopping became the phrase of the day as coordinators were
linked into FidoNet Star systems either directly, or through HUBs.

Some of the pioneers of the day and their FDNs included: Larry
Mundy's Win*Net, Eric Van Riper's PDN (Programmers Distribution
Network), Peter Stern's DVNet, Al Davenport's DDS (Al lived about 15
minutes from the Mid-Hudson NY city where I lived), Lee Laird's Ham
fdn, Ray Kaliss' SDN, Tom Hendricks' SDS, Kevin's ANSI Club FDN, and
Jerry Seward's Util*Net - apologies to any I've forgotten to include
here <smile>.
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The Fidonet Stars then included George Peace, John Souvestre and
Dave James. When George Peace wrote a neat utility named RAID that
worked with TICK to announce files, I'd bet that just about
everything seemed perfect <smile>

In the heyday of file echos, coordinators sought files everywhere
they could, released them, new fdns were born to seek out yet more
types of files, and went the files to the masses in Fidonet...

Eventually this incredible growth began to put strains on our
pockets, our drives, and most importantly, our file tossing software.
Tick was unable to handle the huge numbers of links and file echo
tags and so work was begun on software like FileManager, AllFix,
and OS/2 native software.

Along the time of modem/node number frenzy of the mid-90's when
fidonet saw an incredible amount of growth, file distribution had
become an expensive hobby, forcing a good number of folks to shrink
their FDNs or reconsider the release of the latest titles. To
remedy this, a group of FDN Coordinators and interested overseas
people approached U.S.Robotics Corporation's Adam Strack, who at the
time was the manager of the Online Communications department. I'd
worked with Adam beforehand, helping him a bit to get a FidoNet
compatible mailer running for the Corporate BBS that USRobotics
hoped would provide support and sales in the FidoNet Community.

The FileGate Project was born when Adam agreed to use the Online
Communications Dept.'s phone lines, modems and systems to move our
FDN files to sites located on 6 of the 7 major continents. For the
next 6 or 7 years, the FileGate FDNs placed a U.S.Robotics banner on
archives as they were hatched as a thank you to U.S.Robotics. The
FileGate Project continues now with it's own archive comment which
indicates where one can find out more about the project.

FileGate files are now funneled into the filebone as well. I
figured it would be the greatest chance for all of Fidonet to reap
the benefits of the distribution and so the FileGate and Filebone
began working hand in hand several years ago.

These days, if you are not running AllFix, your BBS system probably
has its own file tossing software included, or available from your
bbs software author separately, or you may be running one of the
free-ware tick compatible clones. I'm running BBBS bbs software, a
shareware bbs program, which includes a tick-compatible file manager
which is configured pretty easily in bbbs' ASCII text external.bbb
file. (darn that's a lot of b's <g>)

Essentially all file tossing software works the same way: You tell
the program where on your system you would like to store the files
that come in, who will be sending the files to your system and to
whom they should be sent once received, whether to make the files
passthrough or not, and most likely, the bbs's name for the file
area.

Tick uses a simple ASCII configuration file which lists your
zone-net-node info, work directory, etc. and a list of the area
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segments which indicates the areas you want to import. Each segment
represents a file echo, and that segment lists the nodes who will be
sending that file echo to you, or picking up that file echo from
you, and where you keep the files on your drives:

Path Tag
==================================
Area c:\files\pdn\pdncee PDNHATCH
1:2320/38 PASSWORD C 1:720/111
PASSWORD &* 2:2/222 &*

explanation:
(1:2320/38 has files crashed to it)
(other sites are "receive only" do not send)

Area c:\files\pdn\PDNCEE
1:2320/38 PASSWORD *&
1:720/11 PASSWORD C
2:2/222 PASSWORD C

Explanation:
(1:2320/38 is receive only)
(Other nodes have files crashed to them)

When tick is run in the mailer's batch file, it reads the .tic files
in the incoming directory, moves the archives associated with the
tic to the directory specified in your config file, updates the
directory's file description (files.bbs type) file, generates new
.tic files and file attach messages for your downlinks.

Tick was great because I don't think I've seen a bbs software
package that couldn't use it - perhaps not easily, but it could be
done <smile>

The shareware bbs program, BBBS, uses the following format for file
echos in external.bbb on my linux box:

F NODEDIFF /bbbs/files/nodediff/ 1:2320/38 VA 1:103/105 109/921

The F in the first column is a group designator which you can tie to
permissions for access to the file echo. VA says to make the area
visible (V) and to create an ASCII text file regarding the release
so that you can announce the file (A). Node information regarding
crash, hold, etc. is contained in the node section of the
external.bbb file, though you can include it on this line if you
like, i.e., >H1:103/105 (send this file to this node with Hold
flavor for pickup)

Allfix is shareware, and uses a config program (asetup) that you run
to make changes to the config file. Asetup's interface is much like
the FrontDoor mailer's config program - set up cannot be done in an
ASCII config file.

End of Part I
Thanks Janice

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COLUMNS
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[email protected]
"Famous Quotes"

Ah, yes, divorce......., from the Latin word meaning
to rip out a man's genitals through his wallet.
--Robin Williams

Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I
think of it as the only time of the month that I can be myself.
--Roseanne

Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place.
--Billy Crystal

You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a
look that says, "My God, you're right! I never would've thought of
that!"
--Sean Connery

According to a new survey, women say they feel more comfortable
undressing in front of men than they do undressing in front of other
women. They say that women are too judgmental, where, of course,
men are just grateful.
--Robert DeNiro

I am not the boss of my house. I don't know how I lost it. I don't
know when I lost it. I don't think I ever had it. But I've seen the
boss's job and I don't want it.
--Bill Cosby

In the last couple of weeks I have seen the ads for the Wonder Bra.
Is that really a problem in this country? Men not paying enough
attention to women's breasts?
--Hugh Grant

We have women in the military, but they don't put us in the front
lines. They don't know if we can fight or if we can kill. I think we
can. All the general has to do is walk over to the women and say,
"You see the enemy over there? They say you look fat in those
uniforms."
--Elayne Boosler

There's a new medical crisis. Doctors are reporting that many men are
having allergic reactions to latex condoms. They say they cause
severe swelling. So what's the problem?
--Dustin Hoffman

When the sun comes up, I have morals again.
--Elizabeth Taylor

There's very little advice in men's magazines, because men don't think
there's a lot they don't know. Women do. Women want to learn. Men
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think, "I know what I'm doing, just show me somebody naked.
--Jerry Seinfield

If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten.
--George Clooney

Instead of getting married again, I'm going to find a woman I don't
like and just give her a house.
--Rod Stewart

The problem with the designated driver program, it's not a desirable
job. But if you ever get sucked into doing it, have fun with it. At
the end of the night, drop them off at the wrong house.
--Jeff Bridges

See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis,
and only enough blood to run one at a time.
--Robin Williams

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NET HUMOR
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This weeks Humor

"What's the usual tip?" a man growled when the college boy who
delivered his pizza.

"Well," the student replied, "this is my first delivery, but the other
guys said that if I got a quarter out of you, I'd be doing great."

"That so?" grunted the man. "In that case, here's five dollars."

"Thanks," the student said, "I'll put it in my college fund."

"By the way, what are you studying?"

"Applied psychology."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

When the preacher's car broke down on a country road, he walked to a
nearby roadhouse to use the phone. After calling for a tow truck, he
spotted his old friend, Frank, drunk and shabbily dressed at the bar.
"What happened to you, Frank?" asked the good reverend. "You used to
be rich."

Frank told a sad tale of bad investments that had led to his downfall.
"Go home," the preacher said. "Open your Bible at random, stick your
finger on the page, and there will be God's answer."

Some time later, the preacher bumped into Frank, who was wearing a
Gucci suit, sporting a Rolex watch, and had just stepped out of a
Mercedes. "Frank," said the preacher, "I am glad to see things have
really turned around for you."

"Yes, preacher, and I owe it all to you," said Frank. "I opened my
Bible, put my finger down on the page and there was the answer....
Chapter 11." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ YOU KNOW YOU'RE `MATURE'
WHEN............. 1. You and your teeth don't sleep together. 2. Your
try to straighten out the wrinkles in your socks and discover you
aren't wearing any. 3. At the breakfast table you hear snap, crackle,
pop and you're not eating cereal. 4. Your back goes out but you stay
home. 5. When you wake up looking like your driver's license picture.
6. It takes two tries to get up from the couch. 7. When your idea of
a night out is sitting on the patio. 8. When happy hour is a nap. 9.
When you're on vacation and your energy runs out before your money
does.. 10. When you say something to your kids that your mother said
to you and you always hated it. 11. When all you want for your
birthday is to not be reminded of your age. 12. When you step off a
curb and look down one more time to make sure the street is still
there. 13. Your idea of weight lifting is standing up. 14. It takes
longer to rest than it did to get tired. 15. Your memory is shorter
and your complaining lasts longer. 16. Your address book has mostly
names that start with Dr. 17. You sit in a rocking chair and can't get
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it going. 18. The pharmacist has become your new best friend. 19.
Getting "lucky" means you found your car in the parking lot. 20. The
twinkle in your eye is merely a reflection from the sun on your
bifocals. 21. It takes twice as long - to look half as good. 22.
Everything hurts, and what doesn't hurt - doesn't work. 23. You look
for your glasses for half an hour and they were on your head the whole
time. 24. You sink your teeth into a steak - and they stay there. 25.
You give up all your bad habits and still don't feel good. 26. You
have more patience, but it is actually that you just don't care
anymore. 27. You finally get your head together and your body starts
falling apart. 28. You wonder how you could be over the hill when you
don't even remember being on top of it. 29 Your doctor says, "You
have heart trouble and dropsy". 30 What is that you ask? Doc:"You
drop down on your butt, and don't have the heart to get up"!
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COMIX IN ASCII
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COMIX.CMX
COW IN PASTURE

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QUESTION OF THE WEEK
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1. Your Question
---------------------------------
A group of friends who prided themselves on their
intelligence set out to have a contest of wits.

Each person in turn asked a question, and anyone who
volunteered an answer that was wrong dropped out. If
no one could answer, the questioner himself had to
answer, and if he was wrong, he dropped out.

Each dropout had to put $5 into the pot.

Eventually the matter boiled down to Thompson and Brown,
and the erudition of each one boiled up so that both were
held even for half an hour.

Finally Thompson said, "How does a gopher dig a hole without
leaving a mound of dirt at the lip?"

Brown thought about that and said, "I can't answer that.
However, since it's your question, you had better answer it."

Thompson said coolly, as he reached for the accumulated
pile of bills. "Easy. The gopher starts at the bottom of
the hole and that's where he leaves the dirt."

"Hold on," said Brown heatedly, grasping Thompson's wrist to
prevent him from taking the pot. "How does the gopher get to
the bottom of the hole in the first place?"

"That's your question," said Thompson as he took the money.
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- -
| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
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Last update: September 16, 2000

FidoNet
Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.r10.org
http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Net 2410: http://www.earforce.dyndns.org/net2410/
Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org
Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
Region 15: <vacant>
Region 16: <vacant>
Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19
Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124
http://texoma.net/~flv
Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)

Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
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Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5028: http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
Net 5074: http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

Zone 4:
Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
(Chinese)

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
time between when the message is received, and when it is
sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

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v-email flag [email protected]
| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/2 @ [email protected] | UUE | 28.8 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE | 64k |N/C
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
FIDONEWS 17-42 Page 18 16 Oct 2000

382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 4
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c

--
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* NFS = Linux Networking
----------------------------------------------
Fidonet oriented news servers

news.osirusoft.com
news.tardis.net

Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted)

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Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
Joe Jared, 1:103/301, [email protected]. All email addresses
here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
obtaining a feed. Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
most especially, email addressed to [email protected]
will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam
stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com

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