F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 40 03 Oct 2000

F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 40 03 Oct 2000
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| | | \ \\ | Editor: Warren Bonner |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
From the Editor's Desk ................................... 1
2. ARTICLES ................................................. 2
Makenews needs an enema .................................. 2
FTSC MEMBERS ............................................. 2
Loss of Good Friends ..................................... 3
3. COLUMNS .................................................. 4
Ol' WDB's Column ......................................... 4
4. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 6
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EDITORIAL
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From the Editor's Desk
by Warren D. Bonner

Today I start a new job. A job that was very unexpectedly given to
me, primarily because I was one of the columnist in FidoNews before
the untimely passing of our dear friend and editor, Doug Myers. Doug
was a unique individual, driven to present the "snooze" in a manner
that all Fido sysops would find enlightening; well covered in depth,
succinct, serious, and funny, as the subject demanded. He never ran
from the truth, rather grasped it as a spear to defend any concept
that was pertinent to the story line. I was reminded that I don't
have to fill Doug's shoes, as that would not be possible; but to
pursue the truth with the same diligence that he did. To that end I
dedicate myself.

The learning how to use the software that formats all articles for
reproduction in so many different editors is a trip you don't want to
take. It is a cloister of batch files that have not kept pace with
technical advances in over a decade. My programming abilities are
less than adequate. Therefore, I have prevailed on Joe Jared to make
the antiquated MakeNews software more friendly and hopefully more
usable. This brings me to mention also, that I have named him as
co-moderator of FidoNews.

Although my health has been a possible detriment to my being the
editor, I am happy to report that all is much improved over a year
ago. In conclusion I ask your patience with two "shorties" in four
days to get the "Snooze" back on track. Ol'wdb

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ARTICLES
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Makenews needs an enema
By Joe Jared, 1:103/301

After a cursory analysis of the software used to produce fidonews, a
few things become obvious. First, it desperately needs to be
replaced, and requires too much hand holding. Secondly, and
obviously, since it was originally written by System Enhancement
associates (the authors of ARCA) , and since they were unwilling to
adapt pkzip to the program, another individual patched the 1989
executable to execute ZIP A instead of arca in order to use pkzip.
That has been the extent of the development of makenews over the past
11 years. Given that this program was designed around the time that
the SEA VS. PKWARE litigation was just finalizing the result is
totally unsurprising. From a purely software perspective, Makenews in
its entirely will be replaced with something significantly more
friendly over the next couple of weeks. To everyone who has performed
the task in the past decade, kudos. Your task was difficult at best,
and given the finicky nature of the software, you were the automation
instead of the software.

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FTSC MEMBERS
by David Hallford

The Fidonet Technical Standards Committee Standing Members are
elected bi-annually. Roughly 50% each year. Sometimes this seems like
a magical process that Fidonet Nodes are left in the dark about.

What do you do if you think a current member of the FTSC is the
wrong (for any reason) person to be on the committee?

Using me as an example: You think Dave Hallford is a power hungry
[illegitimate child] who is using his position on the Committee to
try and consolidate his position in Fidonet so he can eventually take
over. You know he is up for re-election this year, but have no idea
how to register your protest.

From FTA-1001
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Standing members may be nominated Fidonet-wide by all of the
following methods:

1. Any RC or REC.
2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

Standing members are appointed on the basis of a vote by all RCs and
RECs who are nodelisted as holding those positions at the time the
nominations are published. A successful candidate must receive
approval by a majority of votes.
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Currently the RC/REC method is used for nominations and elections. So
if you think someone is not doing their job or is improperly using
their position contact your RC or REC and let them discuss it with
other RC's and REC's.

After all - The FTSC is *your* committee.

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Loss of Good Friends
By Bobby Queen,[email protected]

Well folks I hate to have to write an article like this for the snooze
but I guess its necessary. This year has been particularly hard for
FidoNet. First we lost quite a few with apparent y2k problems, then
others started leaving due to lack of callers on their BBS's and then
the big problem with us losing some good friends due to death. :( I
have lost 2 real good friends in a short period of time this year.
Both Kent Anderson and Douglas Myers had become good friends in a
short period. Both had become regular email pals and I considered
both of them good friends. Unlike friends you can visit with and
spend time with in person these friends are sometimes more important
to those of us who are unable to work and spend most of our days
working on our computers. I have already missed their emails and
their short notes full of wit and support. Both of them are going to
be missed in FidoNet and although some others may come along and take
their place in the echos they can never take their place in our
hearts.

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COLUMNS
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By Warren Bonner [email protected]

Famous Quotes

Ah, yes, divorce......., from the Latin word meaning
to rip out a man's genitals through his wallet.
--Robin Williams

Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I
think of it as the only time of the month that I can be myself.
--Roseanne

Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place.
--Billy Crystal

You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a
look that says, "My God, you're right! I never would've thought of
that!" --Sean Connery

According to a new survey, women say they feel more comfortable
undressing in front of men than they do undressing in front of other
women. They say that women are too judgmental, where, of course, men
are just grateful. --Robert DeNiro

I am not the boss of my house. I don't know how I lost it. I don't
know when I lost it. I don't think I ever had it. But I've seen the
boss's job and I don't want it. --Bill Cosby

In the last couple of weeks I have seen the ads for the Wonder Bra.
Is that really a problem in this country? Men not paying enough
attention to women's breasts? --Hugh Grant

We have women in the military, but they don't put us in the front
lines. They don't know if we can fight or if we can kill. I think we
can. All the general has to do is walk over to the women and say,
"You see the enemy over there? They say you look fat in those
uniforms." --Elayne Boosler

There's a new medical crisis. Doctors are reporting that many men are
having allergic reactions to latex condoms. They say they cause
severe swelling. So what's the problem? --Dustin Hoffman

When the sun comes up, I have morals again. --Elizabeth Taylor

There's very little advice in men's magazines, because men don't think
there's a lot they don't know. Women do. Women want to learn. Men
think, "I know what I'm doing, just show me somebody naked.
--Jerry Seinfield

If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten.
--George Clooney

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Instead of getting married again, I'm going to find a woman I don't
like and just give her a house. --Rod Stewart

The problem with the designated driver program, it's not a desirable
job. But if you ever get sucked into doing it, have fun with it. At
the end of the night, drop them off at the wrong house. --Jeff Bridges

See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis, and only
enough blood to run one at a time. --Robin Williams

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INTERNET INFO
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* Fidonet-related sites

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| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
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Last update: September 16, 2000

FidoNet
Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.r10.org
http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Net 2410: http://www.earforce.dyndns.org/net2410/
Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org
Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
Region 15: <vacant>
Region 16: <vacant>
Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19
Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124
http://texoma.net/~flv
Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
FIDONEWS 17-40 Page 7 2 Oct 2000

Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5028: http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
Net 5074: http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

Zone 4:
Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
(Chinese)

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
time between when the message is received, and when it is
sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.
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v-email flag [email protected]
| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
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Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/2 @ [email protected] | UUE | 28.8 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE | 64k |N/C
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
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382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

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Zone 4
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c

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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* NFS = Linux Networking
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here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
obtaining a feed. Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
most especially, email addressed to [email protected]
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