F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 34 21 Aug 2000

F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 34 21 Aug 2000
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
What's Not Happening - Policy Ratification ............... 1
2. COLUMNS .................................................. 3
Ol'WDB: Instructions for Life ............................ 3
3. NET HUMOR ................................................ 5
Year 2000 Signs .......................................... 5
The Princess and the Queen ............................... 6
4. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 7
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 7
5. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 11
Masthead ................................................. 11
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EDITORIAL
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.-- -- -- -- -- -- WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING -- -- -- -- -- --.
| There isn't always something happening on Fidonet, but |
| there's always something which isn't happening. This |
| column is dedicated to the lost causes which make Fido |
| what it isn't today. Published semi-occasionally... |
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Policy Ratification
Doug Myers

Regular readers of the FN_SYSOP echo can attest to the fact that the
biggest non-event shaping up in Fidonet this year is any type of
action relating to Policy.

In one thread, David Moufarrege's proposed Policy revision was cited
as current policy, though the author was quickly informed that the
"new" policy was, indeed, a proposal. However, in that discussion,
Ward Dossche, the Zone 2 Coordinator, revealed that he hadn't
previously seen the proposal nor had he seen the debate in the Zone
1 echoes. Since any policy change would require a majority vote of
ALL Regional Coordinators... and since the issue doesn't even seem
to be rambling about outside Zone 1... and since the discussion in
Zone 1 on that particular version has already died... don't expect a
Policy revision any time soon.

In another thread, the question of whether the International
Coordinator must be a sitting Zone Coordinator is argued. One
section of Policy states that the International Coordinator is the
"First among equals" among the Zone Coordinators, while another
section of Policy states that Coordinators at any level should
minimize the number of hats worn. So we seem to have one
implication that the IC should be a sitting ZC, but another
implication that the IC should resign as ZC upon his selection.
Given that the call for a new IC earlier this year couldn't even
draw a response from all the ZC's (let alone the IC), don't expect
either a change of IC's soon, nor a resolution of P4's apparent
conflict on the question of whether an IC must be a sitting ZC.

And yet another thread rages, centered on Darrell Salter's
longstanding assertion that Policy 4 is not legitimate because it
was never ratified by the Sysops of Fidonet. The solution to this
would be obvious, it might seem: put the question to the Sysops and
see what they say. However, two complications arise...
1. Darrell isn't interested in putting the question forward since
he's chosen to simply ignore policy.
2. Those who disagree with him aren't interested in putting the
question forward since Policy 4 itself says it isn't necessary...
ratification is clearly placed in the hands of the Regional
Coordinators.

If Policy is defined as that document that proclaims itself to be
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Policy (P4), then don't expect any action soon.

If, however, Policy is defined as that which is actually practiced
rather than that which is documented... then the policy seems to be
one of no particular action. Same result :)

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COLUMNS
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Ol'WDB
I N S T R U C T I O N S F O R L I F E

1. Take into account that great love and great achievements involve
great risk.

2. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.

3. Follow the three Rs: Respect for self; Respect for others; and
Responsibility for all your actions.

4. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful
stroke of luck.

5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly.

6. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship.

7. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to
correct it.

8. Spend some time alone every day.

9. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values.

10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer.

11. Live a good, honourable life. Then when you get older and think
back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time.

12. In disagreements with loved ones, deal only with the current
situation. Don't bring up the past.

14. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality.

15. Be gentle with the earth.

16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before.

17. Remember that the best relationship is one in which your love
for each other exceeds your need for each other.

18. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get
it.

19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.

20. Forgive trust transgretions, they are not of the utmost
importance to anyone except you.

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NET HUMOR
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Signs that you live in the year 2000:

1. You just tried to enter your password on the microwave.

2. You have a list of 15 phone numbers to reach your family of
three.

3. You call your son's beeper to let him know it's time to eat. He
emails you back from his bedroom, "What's for dinner?"

4. Your daughter sells Girl Scout Cookies via her web site.

5. You chat several times a day with a stranger from South Africa,
but you haven't spoken with your next door neighbor yet this
year.

6. You check the ingredients on a can of chicken noodle soup to see
if it contains Echinacea.

7. You check your blow-dryer to see if it's Y2K compliant.

8. Your grandmother clogs up your e-mail inbox asking you to send
her a JPEG file of your newborn so she can create a screen
saver.

9. You pull up in your own driveway and use your cell phone to see
if anyone is home.

10. Every commercial on television has a web-site address at the
bottom of the screen.

11. You buy a computer and a week later it is out of date and now
sells for half the price you paid.

12. The concept of using real money, instead of credit or debit, to
make a purchase is foreign to you.

13. Cleaning up the dining room means getting the fast food bags
out of the back seat of your car.

14. Your reason for not staying in touch with family is that they
do not have e-mail addresses.

15. You consider second-day air delivery painfully slow.

16. Your dining room table is now your flat filing cabinet.

17. Your idea of being organized is multiple-colored Post-it notes.

18. You hear most of your jokes via e-mail instead of in person.

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19. You get an extra phone line so you can get phone calls.

20. You turn off your Modem and get this awful feeling, as if you
just pulled the plug on a loved one.

21. You get up in morning and go online before getting your coffee.

22. You wake up at 2am to go to the bathroom and check your E-mail
on your way back to bed.

23.You start tilting your head sideways to smile. :)

24. You're reading this.

25. Even worse; you're going to forward it to someone else.

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The Princess and the Queen
Thanks to Roy Reed

The plane's cabin was being served by an obviously gay flight
attendant who was just as obviously enjoying himself. He came
swishing down the aisle and announced to the passengers, "Captain
Marvey has asked me to announce that he'll be landing this big,
scary plane shortly, lovely people, so if you could just put up your
trays, that would be super."

On his trip back up the aisle, he noticed that a woman hadn't moved
a muscle. "Perhaps you didn't hear me over those big brute engines.
I asked you to raise your trazy-poo so the main man can pitty-pat us
on the ground."

She calmly turned her head and said, "In my country, I am called a
princess. I take orders from no one".

The flight attendant replied, without missing a beat, "Well,
sweet-cheeks, in my country, I'm called a queen, so I outrank you.
Put the tray up, bitch!"

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