F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 33 14 Aug 2000

F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 33 14 Aug 2000
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Death of a Viking ........................................ 1
BBS of the Future? ....................................... 2
2. COLUMNS .................................................. 3
Ol'WDB: Rudy's Angel ..................................... 3
3. NET HUMOR ................................................ 5
Tiger in the Dark ........................................ 5
4. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 6
Cowch Potato ............................................. 6
5. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 7
Doc's Place .............................................. 7
6. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 8
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 8
7. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 12
Masthead ................................................. 12
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EDITORIAL
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Death of a Viking
Doug Myers

I lost a friend this week. Saturday morning at about 3AM, Phil
Anderson, known in BBS circles as The Viking, died of heart failure.
Phil didn't participate much in Fidonet, but I'd like to remember
him here because he was an integral part of the BBS scene from which
Fido grew.

Phil's Viking Board was a fixture in the Harrisburg PA area even
before Fidonet was introduced by George Peace. His original board
was a modest affair run on a Commodore using only floppy disk
drives. Though he ran it as "The Viking," he insisted on real names
from his users feeling that the anonymity of handles led to abuses
in messaging. I don't know that I agreed with his viewpoint, but
his message areas were always filled with conversation from the
local callers.

Of course, the BBS moved to better machines as they became
available, but the nature of the board seemed tied always to the
personality of The Viking - a persona who had a political opinion on
just about everything, rumbled through the chat bases like a
bumbling Hagar the Horrible, and with a Garden set up for his
Goddesses who delighted in zapping him for his transgressions.

Though some of the older BBSes in the area grew big with lots of
networked message bases and tons of files, the Viking Board remained
the same. Even in this millennium, he still maintained the original
collection of Commodore files he'd offered through the decades
"because no one else does."

Phil did more than run a BBS, though. He was active in most of the
computer groups which once proliferated in the area, and still
served as President of The Harrisburg Area Computer Group until his
recent death. His home was a gathering place for BBSers and other
computer users, and he always had a pot of coffee on when I dropped
by :)

His connection with Fido was brief. I'd dropped over for coffee and
the usual bull session one time, and we talked about Fido. So I set
him up with a mailer and some batch files to integrate to the TriBBS
system he was running, had him exchange netmail with the local NC so
he'd qualify for a node number, and downloaded the Echolist from my
board so he could select message bases. But he changed his mind,
feeling that he didn't want to change the "local" nature of his
board.

At that point, I almost agreed with him. Though I heavily favor
Fidonet, his BBS was still going strong long after most of the local
boards had folded. Why mess with a good thing?

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So Phil's death won't affect Fidonet much, but a little piece of
BBSing is gone forever...

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BBS of the Future?
Doug Myers

Ed Koon advertises Doc's Place, an online BBS, in this issue.
Though it's not the first BBS accessible through the Internet, the
advertisement stirs some hope in me. In introducing the
advertisement, Ed points out that there's just him and the NEC left
in the old net. Unsaid, but implied, is that Doc's Place isn't
going to fold despite the trend with dial-up BBSes.

It doesn't take a mental giant to figure out that the combination of
Internet access and the availability of much more sophisticated
computers has outmoded the traditional dial-up BBS. And it's not
unjustified - the range of abilities to a user on the Web is much
greater than ever dreamed with any BBS. But, in this exodus to the
Web, there seems to be something missing...

It's hard to define, but let me take a stab. When BBSing was at
it's peak, I could log onto fifty-two boards within my local calling
area. While quality varied, each of these BBSes was an individual
community. With the Web, I suppose there is some kind of community,
but it's a world-wide community... not at all like the limitless
variety possible with individual sysops creating their own little
world.

What may have been the strength of BBSing was that one didn't need
to be a SERIOUS PLAYER to set up a board. All it took was enough
money to afford a phone line (though some of the young folks avoided
this and used the family line... usually with disastrous results),
and the computer you were using to call out anyway. In the past,
the Internet was only for SERIOUS PLAYERS - the costs of setting up
an operation on the Web other than a simple home page pretty much
ruled out hobbyists.

But have we progressed to a time when an individual hobbyist can
connect his computer to the Web full time? Can we capture the
seeming endless variety of the BBS scene once again?

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COLUMNS
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Ol'WDB's Column
[email protected]

This one is a heart-felt reminder... to remind us all to appreciate
those we have in our lives, and the power of love and of our own
special guardian angels! I needed to share this with all fido
friends. Perhaps it will atone to some degree for my temper at at
times.

RUDY'S ANGEL

| walked into the grocery store not particularly interested in
buying groceries. I wasn't hungry. The pain of losing my husband of
37 years was still too raw. And this grocery store held so many
sweet memories. Rudy often came with me and almost every time he'd
pretend to go off and look for something special. I knew what he was
up to. I'd always spot him walking down the aisle with the three
yellow roses in his hands. Rudy knew I loved yellow roses.

With a heart filled with grief, I only wanted to buy my few items
and leave, but even grocery shopping was different since Rudy had
passed on. Shopping for one took time, a little more thought than it
had for two.

Standing by the meat, I searched for the perfect small steak and
remembered how Rudy had loved his steak. Suddenly a woman came up
beside me. She was blond, slim and lovely in a soft green pantsuit.
I watched as she picked up a large pack of T-bones, dropped them in
her basket, hesitated, and then put them back. She turned to go and
once again reached for the pack of steaks.

She saw me watching her and she smiled. "My husband loves T-bones,
but honestly, at these prices, I don't know."

I swallowed the emotion down my throat and met her pale blue eyes.
"My husband passed away eight days ago," I told her. Glancing at the
package in her hands, I fought to control the tremble in my voice.
"Buy him the steaks. And cherish every moment you have together."

She shook her head and I saw the emotion in her eyes as she placed
the package in her basket and wheeled away. I turned and pushed my
cart across the length of the store to the dairy products. There I
stood, trying to decide which size milk I should buy. A quart, I
finally decided and moved on to the ice cream section near the front
of the store. If nothing else, I could always fix myself an ice
cream cone.

I placed the ice cream in my cart and looked down the aisle toward
the front. I saw first the green suit, then recognized the pretty
lady coming towards me. In her arms she carried a package. On her
face was the brightest smile I had ever seen. I would swear a soft
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halo encircled her blond hair as she kept walking toward me, her
eyes holding mine.

As she came closer, I saw what she held and tears began misting in
my eyes. "These are for you," she said and placed three beautiful
long stemmed yellow roses in my arms. "When you go through the line,
they will know these are paid for." She leaned over and placed a
gentle kiss on my cheek, then smiled again. I wanted to tell her
what she'd done, what the roses meant, but still unable to speak, I
watched as she walked away as tears clouded my vision.

I looked down at the beautiful roses nestled in the green tissue
wrapping and found it almost unreal. How did she know?

Suddenly the answer seemed so clear. I wasn't alone. "Oh, Rudy, you
haven't forgotten me, have you?" I whispered, with tears in my eyes.
He was still with me, and she was his angel.

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Everyday be thankful for what you have and who you are, because you
all are precious to someone, and when anger next raises it's ugly
head, remember love is a most healing thing... if we apply it to our
wounds.

Original author unknown, coauthored by WDB

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NET HUMOR
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Tiger in the Dark
Thanks to Roy Reed

Stevie Wonder and Tiger Woods are in a bar. Woods turns to Wonder
and says: How is the singing career going?"

Stevie Wonder replies: "Not too bad! How's the golf?"

Woods replies: "Not too bad, I've had some problems with my swing,
but I think I've got that right now."

Stevie Wonder says: "I always find that when my swing goes wrong, I
need to stop playing for a while and not think about it. Then, the
next time I play, it seems to be all right.

Tiger Woods says: "You play golf?"

Stevie Wonder says: "Oh, yes, I've been playing for years."

And Woods says: "But, you're blind. How can you play golf if you're
blind?"

Wonder replies: "I get my caddy to stand in the middle of the
fairway and call to me. I listen for the sound of his voice and
play the ball towards him. Then, when I get to where the ball
lands, the caddy moves to the green or farther down the fairway and
again I play the ball towards his voice."

"But, how do you putt?", asks Woods.

"Well," says Stevie, "I get my caddy to lean down in front of the
hole and call to me with his head on the ground and I just play the
ball towards his voice."

Woods asks: "What's your handicap?"

Stevie says, "Well, I'm a scratch golfer."

Woods, incredulous, says to Stevie: "We've got to play a round
sometime."

Wonder replies: "Well, people don't take me seriously, so I only
play for money, and never play for less than $10,000 a hole."

Woods thinks about it and says, "OK, I'm game for that, when would
you like to play?"

Stevie says, "Pick a night!"

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ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
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Doc's Place
Ed Koon, 1:3603/140

Since Fidonet is shrinking eack week (according to the nodelist) I
figured i would toss in a bit of advertisment :). Going strong since
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Ed

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time between when the message is received, and when it is
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Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
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Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
2624/306 @ David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/2 @ [email protected] | UUE | 28.8 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
284/800 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE | 64k |N/C
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

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Zone 4
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c

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* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
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Masthead

+ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
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| Webmaster: Jim Barchuk, [email protected] |
| Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, [email protected] |
| (Fido Via Internet Hubs column) |
| Columnist: Warren D. Bonner, 1:103/401, [email protected] |
| (Warren uses the pen name "Ol'WDB") |
| Humor: Roy Reed, [email protected] |
| Features: Frank Vest, 1:124/6308.1 |
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