F I D O N E W S         Volume 17, Number 30             24 Jul 2000
    +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+
    |  The newsletter of the     |   ISSN 1198-4589 Published by:        |
    |    FidoNet community       |   "FidoNews"                          |
    |          _                 |   1-717-732-6820     1:270/720        |
    |         /  \               |                                       |
    |        /|oo \              |                                       |
    |       (_|  /_)             |                                       |
    |        _`@/_ \    _        |                                       |
    |       |     | \   \\       |   Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720    |
    |       | (*) |  \   ))      |           [email protected]          |
    |       |__U__| /  \//       |                                       |
    |        _//|| _\   /        |                                       |
    |       (_/(_|(____/         |                                       |
    |             (jm)           |   Newspapers should have no friends.  |
    |                            |                    -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
    +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+



                       Table of Contents
    1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
       The Legend of Sleepy Zone 6  ..............................  1
    2. ARTICLES  .................................................  2
       Region 13 Policy Proposal  ................................  2
    3. COLUMNS  ..................................................  9
       Ol'WDB: Little Known Facts  ...............................  9
    4. NET HUMOR  ................................................ 11
       The Price of Gas  ......................................... 11
    5. COMIX IN ASCII  ........................................... 12
       Cows  ..................................................... 12
    6. NOTICES  .................................................. 13
       FN_SYSOP Election Preliminaries  .......................... 13
    7. INTERNET INFO  ............................................ 14
       Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 14
    8. FIDONEWS INFO  ............................................ 18
       Masthead  ................................................. 18
    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 1                   24 Jul 2000


    =================================================================
                                EDITORIAL
    =================================================================


                        The Legend of Sleepy Zone 6
                                 Doug Myers

    Fidonews normally attempts to present you with tracible facts and
    attributed opinion.  Actual information and informed opinion about
    Zone 6 is in short supply, however, so this editorial is based on
    the gossip floating around.  Anyone reading this newsletter who is
    better informed is welcome to comment.

    In the Sleepy Hollow of Fidonet, reports abound of a headless
    horseman rumbling through Zone 6.  Rumor has it that the Zone 6
    nodelist segment is outdated and that the Zone 6 Coordinator isn't
    communicating with the other five zones of Fidonet.  Though the Z6C
    is reported to exchange echoes and occasional mail with Bob
    Seaborn's system, little has been heard of him elsewhere.  Most
    recently, his lack of presence was fealt in the proposed
    International Coordinator election, where he offered no comment
    whatsoever.

    Now the rumor hits Fidonews that there is a second Zone 6 nodelist
    segment being included in the Zone 2 World Nodelist and distributed
    to the other ZC's.  The alternate zone segment covers 6 of the 7
    regions in Zone 6, and is being compiled - not by the Z6C - but by a
    Russian Sysop in Viet Nam.

    Is it that nodelist information can't be gathered in the jungles of
    Hong Kong, and so this task must be relegated to the booming
    supermetropolis of Viet Nam?  Or is it time for the Regional
    Coordinators of Zone 6 to decapitate their resident headless
    horseman?


    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 2                   24 Jul 2000


    =================================================================
                                ARTICLES
    =================================================================


                         Region 13 Policy Proposal

    Region 13 has a new Regional policy proposed for vote.  This is the
    first update proposed since 1994.

    Sysops in region should contact their NC for information.  A copy
    has been delivered to all NC's in R13 (some routed, most crashed).

    Discussion is expected to be in the R13SYSOP echo.

    Specifics on the election can be obtained from 1:13/2.
                        Carol Shenkenberger
                        xxcarol      1:13/0

    ----------------------------

    [Editor's Note - Appended to Carol's announcement above is the
    policy proposal below distributed to the Network Coordinators in
    Region 13]:


    Region 13 Election Policy Proposal
    Proposed Revision 2.03
    January 30, 2000

    Heavily modified by David Calafrancesco
    superseding Rev 1.04, August 21, 1994

    Written in committee by Michael Walsh, R13C, with the assistance and
    input of Phillip Dampier, Howie Ducat and Bill Fisch

    Changes suggested by various members of the region and incorporated

    This proposal is presented to the membership of Region 13 for debate
    and modification as is deemed appropriate, and wil be balloted upon
    in its final form.  If adopted, it will become the first part of a
    region-wide operations policy.

    A simple majority of the ballots received will be necessary to adopt
    this proposal.

      --Michael Walsh, R13C

    ===================================================================

    I. The Election Moderator (EM)

        A. The moderator is appointed by the RC at the beginning of the
    RC's term, and must be confirmed by a vote of the nodes of the
    region.  Any node can volunteer to be the election moderator.  The
    RC will select a candidate from the volunteers.  Discussion on the
    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 3                   24 Jul 2000


    selection will take place for as long as necessary in the R13
    Sysop's echo with the RC able to call for a confirmation vote after
    one week of discussion.  A netmail ballot to confirm or reject the
    selection is then held, using the procedure outlined later in this
    document. The RC will count the votes and post the results in the
    R13 sysops echo, and if a simple majority {trunc(ballots/2)+1} vote
    is in favor of the selectee, this person is confirmed.

        B. The election moderator has complete control over the
    electoral process and validates all candidates' nominations, counts
    all votes and announces the results.  The election moderator may
    appoint an assistant with the approval of all nominated candidates
    at the end of the nomination process, whose job will be to assist in
    counting votes.  It is highly recomended that the EM use a robot
    vote counter to automate the tally process and post interim results
    of whose ballots have been received and validated, but not which
    candidate is currently leading.

        C. In order to easily identify the election moderator to members
    of the region, s/he will receive the nodelist designation of 1:13/2,
    and will be added to the segment upon confirmation. (I. A.)

        D. The election moderator serves in the appointed position for
    the entire term of the sitting RC, but may be replaced by the RC
    using this same process.

    II. Election Details

        A. The Election Moderator (EM) has sole discretion to select the
    working echo for the election.  It is suggested that declerations be
    accepted in any of the three major R13 echos but the EM may restrict
    to a single echo which meets the needs of the election (accessable
    to all R13 nodes) as necessary. The Primary R13 echos will be
    defined as those listed in an available echolist database as being
    the R13 sysops echo, the R13 election echo and the R13 coordinators
    echo and being listed in such database by the current RC and/or REC.
    Any echo of a similar name listed by one or more other members of
    the region will be considered an unofficial echo and the EM may use
    it or ignore it at their sole discretion.  At the time of this
    writing those echo tags are currently R13SYSOP, R13_ELECTION and
    R13COORD.

        B. The final election schedule is set by the election moderator
    (EM) but should adhere to the following norms.  All schedules start
    at 00:01 hours and end at 24:00 hours.  Schedules can be stretched
    as necessary to ensure that all nodes in the region are dealt with
    fairly.  In the past schedules have been delayed to accomodate
    storms and other network problems.

          1. Announcement of the election: 7 days.

            a. The EM will cause sufficient notices to be made in all
    three of the above referenced R13 echos (sysop, election and
    coordinators) echos so that everyone in the region has the same
    opportunity to participate. The election moderator will also cause a
    netmail to be sent to each NC in the region as well as an article to
    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 4                   24 Jul 2000


    be submitted to FIDONEWS. This only requires a best effort attempt
    to route to each NC and does not require the EM to crash mail direct
    to any NCs.  We also recognize that we can't control the editorial
    policies of FIDONEWS and only can require a submission, not
    publication.

            b. The announcement describes what position will be elected,
    whether RC or REC or other.

            c. The announcements are to be posted at least three times
    in a one-week period in the above echos.  Netmail notification is
    done at least once, as is the FidoNews announcement though the EM
    can always undertake more if they so choose.

           2. Declarations of Candidacy: 2 weeks.

            a. Any member of the region may declare their own candidacy.

            b. Any member of the region may nominate any other member.

            c. A nominee will only become a candidate if they notify the
    EM of their acceptance of the nomination within the time alloted for
    declarations.

            d. Declarations should be allowed in any of the above R13
    echos as well as netmail or email sent to the EM.  At the EMs
    discression they may select one R13 echo as the primary election
    business echo and the EM may restrict declarations and nominations
    to that single echo.

            e. The message header/timestamp will be used to determine
    whether a declaration was received in time, but no more than two
    days after the end of the declaration period.

          3. Questions to the Candidates: 3 weeks

            a. The candidates will state, briefly, their platforms in
    the designated election business echomail area.

            b. Members of the region may question the candidates on any
    issues that they may feel are important to them or the region.

            c. Debate between candidates should be limited; it is the
    membership that must be answered, and the election moderator may
    halt debate at any time if it is clear that the membership is not
    benefiting from the debate.  This does not apply to clarification of
    position; i.e., if a candidate states a position and it isn't clear,
    any other candidate may request clarification and present their
    position.  This is not intended to prevent opposing points of view
    from being discussed, but rather is intended to prevent the
    candidates from focusing on each other and ignoring the members of
    the region.

         4. Vote: Two weeks are allowed for all members of the region to
         vote.

    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 5                   24 Jul 2000


         5. Announcement of the results: within three days of the end of
         the vote.

         C. Elections are held once every two years for each of the RC
    and REC positions.  The elections are staggered, such that in one
    calendar year an RC election will be held, and the next calendar
    year an REC election will be held.  The purpose of this is to
    maintain continuity in the operation of the region.

    III. Recall Elections

        1. Recalls are started by a referendum, in which 20% of the
    nodes or 20% of the NCs of the region request the recall action;
    this request for a recall must be filed with the election moderator.

        2. The recall election is held as a regular election would be,
    with the sitting *C running as a candidate while still in office.

        3. A recall election does not upset the regular schedule of
    elections; if a recall election is held, and results in the
    replacement of a *C, that replacement will only serve until the next
    regularly scheduled election at which time s/he may run as a
    candidate.

    IV. Voting Procedure

        A. Each nodelisted operator is entitled to one vote; if more
     than one person shares responsibility for a system, and also share
     a nodelist entry, then only one vote is allowed between them. By
     the same definition, a system with more than one node address is
     still a single system and is only entitled to a single vote.

        B. Ballots are counted only when received by the election
     moderator.  The EM may accept nodes sent by netmail (direct or
     routed), email or even public posting in the election business
     echo.  The EM may restrict the method of receiving ballots to only
     netmail at their discretion.  Voice or proxy ballots are NOT
     COUNTED.  All ballots must be addressed in such a way that they
     will be received by the EM and identify the note as a ballot (eg
     being addressed to 1:13/2).

        C. Ballots should probably be sent DIRECT to avoid the
     possibility of tampering, but in recognition of the fact that not
     all members of the region are able/willing to make a long-distance
     call to deliver their vote and that the EM might not have a POTS
     line to receive crashed mail, it may be routed. As always, ballots
     which are routed are not guaranteed to be delivered, and as such,
     no responsibility can be placed on any systems who may route such
     mail.

        D. Each ballot must contain:

           1. The name and node address of the operator casting the
           ballot,

           2. The ballot identifying who the sysop is voting for.
    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 6                   24 Jul 2000


           3. A password to be used in announcing and validating the
           vote.

           4. Example ballot:

               John Doe, sysop of 1:2634/567
               candidate_name
               {ballot_password}

         E. The election moderator will tally and summarize the ballots,
    listing each vote by password in the announcement, i.e. if John Doe
    and Jane Doe are candidates, the announcement of the results would
    look like this:

                     John Doe                Jane Doe
                     --------------------    --------------------
                     Beeswax                 Whatchamacallit
                     Zaphod                  Zoos
                     Viper                   Kitchen
                                             Wrangler
                                             Hunter
                     --------------------    --------------------
                     3 votes (37.5%)         5 votes (62.5%)

         A second announcement will follow this, listing in numerical
    order, all node addresses from which a ballot was received and
    counted.  These two messages will serve as the record of vote, and
    by the nature of their content, will allow all members of the region
    to see that their ballots were counted and counted correctly while
    maintaining the confidentiality of the votes.  Under no
    circumstances will the Election Moderator (or assistant) release any
    information concerning the nature of specific ballots -- absolute
    confidentiality of the ballots must and will be maintained.

       F. A candidate must receive a simple majority of the votes in
    order to be elected. If there is a clear understanding of the
    leading candidates (combined 75% of ballots) then a runoff between
    the top two candidates can commence, otherwise supplementary runoffs
    to determine the top two candidates may be necessary.

            For example:

            If four candidates are running, and the vote is:

            A: 91 votes    B: 37 votes    C: 69 votes    D: 12 votes

            Candidates "A" and "C" will face each other in a runoff to
            determine the winner of the election.  A runoff election is
            held between the two candidates receiving the most votes,
            and is handled as described above except:

            1. One week for further questions to the remaining
    candidates, not three, and;

            2. All results from the general election are discarded and a
    new ballot is taken, with the results of the new ballot alone being
    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 7                   24 Jul 2000


    counted.

            3. One week for voting instead of two as above.

            Second example:

            Same four candidates above but the breakdown is

            A: 35 votes     B: 35 votes    C: 35 votes    D: 15 votes

        An intermediate runoff between the top three candidates will
        commence. In general, the runoff will be amongst the candidates
        that recived 75% of the vote.

        G. In any case, if the election results in a tie, the ZC or RC
    will choose the RC or REC from amongst the two tied candidates.

        H. The elected person will take office one week following the
    announcement of the results, and in the case of the RC election,
    with the approval of the ZC (in recognition of FidoNet Policy.)  The
    outgoing coordinator will make available all materials necessary to
    ensure a smooth transition, and will support the coordinator-elect
    for as long as is possible or needed.

    V. Dispute Resolution

        A. Any dispute of the election results, whether a miscounted
    ballot or a ballot not counted that a node claims should have been
    etc... must be filed, via netmail, to the election moderator within
    the one week time frame before the electee takes office.  This
    dispute notice should be carbon-copied to at least two other members
    of the region (RC and REC for example) to ensure fairness and action
    on the part of the election moderator.

      B. The election moderator will announce the dispute, and request a
    Judge of Elections be named.  The Judge of Elections will be the ZC,
    or if s/he is unavailable, another region's RC or a member of the
    region acceptable to all of the candidates.

      C. The Judge of Elections will receive from the election moderator
    all votes cast, without the summaries.

      D. The Judge of Elections will recount the votes and create a new
    summary which will be forwarded to the election moderator and posted
    accordingly. This will be the final count in cases of dispute.

    VI. Amendments to Election Policy

       A. Any member of the region may propose an amendment to this
    election policy, but no amendment may be proposed during an
    election.

       B. Such a proposal must be sent to the RC and the election
    moderator. The RC will cause it to be distributed to all NCs in the
    region, and direct that the NCs distribute it to all members of the
    region.
    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 8                   24 Jul 2000


       C. Debate on any amendment may be held in any of the above listed
       echos.

       D. The process for voting on the amendment will be as follows:

          1. The proposal will require a simple majority of the votes to
    be adopted.

          2. The ballots will be counted as in a regular election, with
    the results posted similarly.

          3. The time frame for debate is open, but the voting period
    will still take place in one week's time.

          4. The election moderator will schedule the vote at least one
    week in advance to allow all members of the region to have time to
    consider their vote.

          5. The vote can be forced to occur by referrendum of either
    20% of the nodes or 20% of the NCs; if 20% of the nodes or NCs
    request the vote be scheduled, the election moderator has no choice
    but to schedule the vote.

    VII. Continutity and Successive Administrations

         It is recommended to the members of the region that any
    candidates who may run for the RC position be clearly asked to abide
    the terms and conditions of the approved regional policy, such that
    no future RC may throw out policy to suit his/her whim.  If a
    candidate does not clearly state that they will abide the terms and
    conditions of approved regional policy, you are advised that you
    should cast your vote in favor of a candidate who will abide it so
    that it can be maintained in perpetuity for the benefit of the
    members of the region.



    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 9                   24 Jul 2000


    =================================================================
                                 COLUMNS
    =================================================================


                              Ol'WDB's Column
                            [email protected]
                           Some little known fcts


    The citrus soda 7-UP was created in 1929;  "7" was selected because
    the original containers were 7 ounces. "UP" indicated the direction
    of the bubbles.

    Mosquito repellents don't repel.  They hide you.  The spray blocks
    the mosquito's sensors so they don't know you're there.

    Dentists have recommended that a toothbrush be kept at least 6 feet
    away from a toilet to avoid airborne particles resulting from the
    flush.

    The liquid inside young coconuts can be used as substitute for blood
    plasma.

    American car horns beep in the tone of F.

    No piece of paper can be folded more than 7 times.

    Donkeys kill more people annually than plane crashes.

    1 in every 4 Americans has appeared on television.

    You burn more calories sleeping than you do watching television.

    Oak trees do not produce acorns until they are fifty years of age or
    older.

    The first product to have a bar code was Wrigley's gum.

    The king of hearts is the only king without a mustache.

    A Boeing 747s wingspan is longer than the Wright brother's first
    flight.

    American Airlines saved $40,000 in 1987 by eliminating one olive
    from each salad served in first-class.

    Venus is the only planet that rotates clockwise.

    The first CD pressed in the US was Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the
    USA."

    Apples, not caffeine, are more efficient at waking you up in the
    morning.

    The 57 on the Heinz ketchup bottle represents the number of
    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 10                  24 Jul 2000


    varieties of pickles the company once had.

    The plastic things on the end of shoelaces are called aglets.

    Most dust particles in your house are made from dead skin.

    The first owner of the Marlboro company died of lung cancer.

    Barbie's full name is Barbara Millicent Roberts.

    Betsy Ross is the only real person to ever have been the head on a
    Pez dispenser.

    Michael Jordan makes more money from Nike annually than all of the
    Nike factory workers in Malaysia combined.

    Adolf Hitler's mother seriously considered having an abortion but
    was talked out of it by her doctor.

    Marilyn Monroe had six toes.

    All US Presidents have worn glasses.  Some just didn't like being
    seen wearing them in public.

    Walt Disney was afraid of mice.

    The sound of E.T. walking was made by someone squishing her hands in
    jelly.

    More little known facts later... <Laugh>


    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 11                  24 Jul 2000


    =================================================================
                                NET HUMOR
    =================================================================


                              The Price of Gas
                           Thanks to Lynn Gipson
                            [email protected]

    You think a gallon of gasoline is expensive?

    Diet Snapple 16oz for $1.29 equals $10.32 per gallon

    Lipton Ice Tea 16oz for $1.19 equals $9.52 per gallon

    Gatorade 20oz for $1.59 equals $10.17 per gallon

    Ocean Spray 16oz for $1.25 equals $10.00 per gallon

    Pint of milk 16oz for $1.59 equals $12.72 per gallon

    STP Brake Fluid 12oz for $3.15 equals $33.60 per gallon

    Vick's Nyquil 6oz for $8.35 equals $178.13 per gallon

    Pepto Bismol 4oz for $3.85 equals $123.20 per gallon

    Whiteout .6oz for $1.39 equals $296.53 per gallon

    Scope 1.5oz for $0.99 equals $84.48 per gallon

    And this is the REAL KICKER......
    Evian water 9oz for $1.49 equals $21.19 per gallon
    .....$21.19 FOR WATER!!

    You get the idea??  So next time you're at the pump, be glad your
    car doesn't run on Nyquil, or Scope, or Whiteout!!!!


    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 12                  24 Jul 2000


    =================================================================
                             COMIX IN ASCII
    =================================================================


     ,------._(__)
    * | \     ( oo                                        (  )
    vv====>----=\/====vv                                  (oo)
                                                   /-------\/
                       COWTOW                     / |     ||
                                                 *  ||----||
             (__)                                   ^^    ^^
             (oo)                                *  ||----||
       __[_]__\/                                  \ |     ||
     / |     ||                                    \-------/\
    *  ||----||      -->   .                              (oo)
       ^^    ^^                                           (  )
    Portable Cow    Japanese model
    (very handy)    portable COW                   Cow on Ice


    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 13                  24 Jul 2000


    =================================================================
                                 NOTICES
    =================================================================


                      FN_SYSOP Election Preliminaries

    The international echo for Fidonet Sysops elects a moderator each
    year.  Although this election isn't scheduled until October, the
    preliminaries are underway.  Douglas Myers, the current moderator
    (also serving as editor of this publication) has asked echo
    participants to comment on his proposed selection of Carol
    Shenkenberger to coordinate the election again this year.  Douglas
    noted that Election Coordinator selection should be made by early
    August to allow sufficient time for organizing the election.
    Douglas further announced that he will not be seeking a third term
    as FN_SYSOP moderator, though he plans to remain an active
    participant in the echo.



    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 14                  24 Jul 2000


    =================================================================
                              INTERNET INFO
    =================================================================


                      . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
                      |    FIDONET-RELATED SITES    |
                      ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
                         Last update:  July 16, 2000

    FidoNet
    Homepage:     http://www.fidonet.org
    FidoNews:     http://www.fidonews.org   [HTML]
                  ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
                  ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
    Echolist:     http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
    Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
    SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
    FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
    General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

    Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
      Region 10:  http://www.r10.org
                  http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
        Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
        Net 203:  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
      Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
       Net 2410:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/
      Region 12:  http://sparkys.dyndns.org
      Region 13:  http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
        Net 264:  http://www.net264.org/
        Net 275:  http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
      Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
        Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
      Region 15:  <vacant>
      Region 16:  <vacant>
      Region 17:  http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
        Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
      Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

      Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
        Net 124:  http://www.startext.net/np/net124
                  http://texoma.net/~flv
        Net 130:  http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
        Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

    Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
                  ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
      Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
      Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

      Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                  http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
        Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
      Region 25:  http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
      Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 15                  24 Jul 2000


         REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
      Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
      Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                  http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
      Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)
    ? Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net  (Italian)
      Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
          REC34:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
      Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
      Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
      Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
      Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
    !    Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
      Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
       Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
       Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
       Net 5028:  http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
       Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
       Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
    ??  Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

    Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

    Zone 4:
      Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
      Region 90:
        Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

    Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

    Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
      Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
                  (Chinese)


                         Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

    See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

    a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
    address. The email is translated as follows
    [email protected] will automatically route to the
    appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
    also receive routed notice of this feature.  In my case, it
    would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

    Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
    latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
    time between when the message is received, and when it is
    sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
    defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
    immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
    after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

               v-email flag [email protected]
               | email address or
    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 16                  24 Jul 2000


    Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
               |                   |                |latency|
    -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
    Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
      10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
      10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
      12/12    @ Ken Wilson        | FTP            | T1    | $24mo.
      13/25    @ Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
     103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | 384k,!| n/c
     103/153   @ Michael Box       | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
     103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
     103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
     105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
     105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
     106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
     106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
     107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
     140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
     167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
     211/417   @ Korombos          | BinkP,UUE,FTP  | T1    | n/c
     218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE      | 33.6k | n/c
     244/2     | Kari Suomela   | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,!  | $25.00/mo
     246/160   @ Mason Vye         | FTP, UUE       | 56K   | n/c
     280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
     342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
     395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | 128k  | n/c
     396/1     @ John Souvestre    | FTP,VMoT       | T1,10 | $5/mo
     396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
    2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
    2613/404   @ David Moufarrege  | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
    2624/306   @ David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
    3613/2     @ [email protected] | UUE            | 28.8  | n/c
    3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
    3639/93    @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
    3651/9     @ Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Zone 2     |
      20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
     203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
     221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
     236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     284/800   @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
     292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE      | 64k   |N/C
     292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE          | 64k   | N/C
     292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
     301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
     332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     335/535   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
     335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
     344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 17                  24 Jul 2000


     423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     464/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | 19.2  | n/c
     465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
     469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
     480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
    2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
    2446/301   @ Lothar Behet      | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
    2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
    5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
    5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Zone 3
     633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
     640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
     774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Zone 4
     905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
     902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c

    --
    * FTP   = Internet File Transfer Protocol
    * VMoT  = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
    * UUE   = uuencode<->email type transfers
    * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
    * NFS   = Linux Networking
    ----------------------------------------------
    Fidonet oriented news servers

    news.osirusoft.com
    news.tardis.net

    Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

    room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
    irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)

    ----------------------------------------------

    Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
    Joe Jared, 1:103/301, [email protected].  All email addresses
    here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
    obtaining a feed.  Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
    most especially, email addressed to [email protected]
    will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam
    stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com



    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 18                  24 Jul 2000


    =================================================================
                              FIDONEWS INFO
    =================================================================

                                  Masthead

    + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
    |                                                                |
    | Editor:     Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, [email protected]       |
    | Webmaster:  Jim Barchuk, [email protected]                       |
    | Columnist:  Joe Jared, 1:103/0, [email protected]          |
    |             (Fido Via Internet Hubs column)                    |
    | Columnist:  Warren D. Bonner, 1:103/401, [email protected]  |
    |             (Warren uses the pen name "Ol'WDB")                |
    | Humor:      Roy Reed, [email protected]                         |
    | Features:   Frank Vest, 1:124/6308.1                           |
    |                                                                |
    + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +

    + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -  EDITORS EMERITI - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
    |                                                                |
    |       Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince         |
    |       Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees,       |
    |       Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink          |
    |                                                                |
    + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +

    "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
    trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA
    94141, and are used with permission.

    Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet.
    Fidonews is Copyright (C) 2000 by Douglas Myers, though authors
    retain rights to their contributed articles.  Opinion expressed by
    the authors is strictly their own.  Noncommercial duplication and
    distribution within Fidonet is encouraged.  Authors are encouraged
    to send their articles in ASCII text to Douglas Myers at one of his
    addresses above.

    The weekly edition of Fidonews is distributed through the file area
    FIDONEWS, and is published as echomail in the echo FIDONEWS.  These
    sources are normally available through your Network Coordinator.
    The current and past issues are also available from the following
    sources:

    + -- -- -- -- -- -- -  FIDONEWS AVAILABILITY - -- -- -- -- -- -- +
    |                                                                |
    |         Freq FIDONEWS @ 1:270/720, 1:140/1, or 1:396/1         |
    |         ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/                     |
    |         ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/                 |
    |         http://www.fidonews.org                                |
    |         email subscription: [email protected]             |
    |                       (subject: help   body: list)             |
    |         ftp mail: [email protected] (subject: help)         |
    |                                                                |
    + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
    FIDONEWS 17-30               Page 19                  24 Jul 2000


    -----------------------------------------------------------------