F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 21 22 May 2000

F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 21 22 May 2000
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Good Ol' Boys ............................................ 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 4
Power Mongers ............................................ 4
Ex-sysop's vision of Fido on the Web ..................... 5
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 7
The FidoNet Technical Standards Committee ................ 7
4. COLUMNS .................................................. 9
Ol'WDB: Kids Say the Darndest Things ..................... 9
This Weeks Web Page ...................................... 9
5. NET HUMOR ................................................ 11
Real Books... Unreal Titles! ............................. 11
6. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 12
Even Moo Famous Cows ..................................... 12
7. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 13
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 13
8. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 17
Masthead ................................................. 17
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EDITORIAL
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Good Ol' Boys
Doug Myers

----- Part of an echomail message from Z1C -----

DH> When things have been solved, I (not you) will report
DH> resolution of MY (not your) problem.

RC> The Zone was given input into the selection of the current Z1C,
RC> I will do whatever it will take within my control to see that
RC> this ZONE is fully informed of any 'growling' or innuendo to
RC> remove him? The good ole or GOB days are over Dallas. To your
RC> credit at least you werent beating around the bush..

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In such strident words does Ross Cassell chastise Dallas Hinton for
perceived evils of the past. Ironically, as Region 18 Coordinator,
Ross carries the credentials for a full-fledged membership in the
"Good Ol' Boys" Club which he decries. However, he's made a point
of distancing himself from such association - indeed, he even made a
reputation for himself as a champion of the "Grunt Sysop" in his
running of the last Z1C election.

Dallas, on the other hand, has been widely portrayed by his
detractors as the epitome of cronyism, both for his longstanding
role as Region 17 Coordinator and his close association with Bob
Satti. While this editor doubts that Dallas is truly evil
incarnate, the lingering reputation does make him a favored target
for soap box oratory.

So what's going on here? Is there truly a cabal of "Good Ol' Boys"
which needs busting up, or is Ross merely engaging in demagoguery?
Did the "Good Ol' Boys" network ever exist, and have they now been
overthrown by a democratic coalition of "Grunt Sysops?"

Often, reality is less dramatic than the terms used to characterize
it, and this may be the case here. Just what are "Good Ol' Boys"
that they need be feared so? A straightforward translation of the
term would imply that it's a group of individuals who have learned
to work together and have developed a mutual trust and respect. If
the term "boys" can be taken without gender, then the "Good Ol'
Boys" have been in charge of Fido from the very beginning, and
continue to this day. What more apt description than the sysops who
originally joined with Tom Jennings in the fledgling Fidonet? How
else did a group who described themselves as "anarchists" work
together except by developing trust and respect among themselves?

But "Good Ol' Boys" is alternately sometimes used as a slur to
indicate a powered group that is ingrown, using their
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close-knittedness to exclude new members and ideas. Probably it's
this latter meaning which Ross implies when he chastises Dallas.

Did, indeed, a controlling group take over Fidonet and exclude all
others? The popular legend is that this happened when the
Coordinator structure adopted Policy 4 as a governing document,
granting coordinators regulatory powers. Tom Jennings, widely
respected as the founder of Fidonet, complained at the time that the
powers granted were far in excess of the duties taken on by
coordinators, and maintained that the policy document should merely
be ignored. In fact, the legitimacy of Policy 4 has been often
challenged on the basis that it was never ratified by the sysops who
comprise the network.

The case for the Coordinators taking over Fidonet by adoption of
Policy 4.07 is weak in this editorial opinion. The structure
defined in P4 only covers the distribution of netmail, which is only
part of the net's function. Important areas, such as echomail and
file distribution are not substantially addressed. Indeed, informal
organizations have grown in the years since P4's adoption to
administer in these areas, and coordinator control isn't a
significant part of these organizations. To my mind, a group of
coordinators hell-bent on controlling all aspects of the
organization which is Fido would have merely written these two areas
into P4 somewhere along the line.

In fact, Policy 4.07 has never been modified in its ten year
history, with strong indication that the Coordinators couldn't pull
together sufficient numbers from their own ranks to adopt any
changes if they tried. David Moufarrege ran for the Z1C position
partly on the basis of a promise to attempt to introduce some needed
changes to policy... and, to his credit, he certainly tried -
especially in the early part of his administration. Yet there's no
evidence yet that the ideas he's presented have taken hold with the
Coordinator structure... not even with those in Zone 1. I doubt
that the Coordinators as a group will ever address any changes - for
the simple reason that change can be accomplished through other
methods, even in defiance of policy.

If you're confused as to my point, let me just remark that I'm not
exactly describing an omnipotent cabal of Coordinators with an
iron-clad and self-serving Policy here :)

In fact, this editor suspects that the only power coordinators have
ever held is a bit of technical competence and the willingness to
make the net go. The power is derived from others recognition of
these qualities, and has little to do with policy documents or
control from some tight-knit group.

So how about the notion that Fido is now democratically controlled?
Evidence, again, is to the contrary. Though elections are the order
of the day in Fido, an embarrassing detail is that less than 5% of
all systems seem to participate in the largest elections. Though
the intention may be to make Fido a democracy, the bulk of the
electorate declines to participate.

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What does seem to be true now is that any sysop interested can have
a voice in Fidonet. Though power groups are often perceived in the
Coordinator structure, as well as with echomail movers and file
movers, "outsiders" have often voiced their opinions, gathered
support, and had their way despite opposition by those perceived to
be in power. It seems that Fidonet is now governed by those with
the interest in governing it... but isn't this just another "Good
Ol' Boys" club?

Despite the unusual length of this editorial, I should - in fairness
- answer the question of whether I believe that Ross Cassell is
engaged in demagoguery. Perhaps some may consider Ross as the
legendary Don Quixote to be tilting with windmills here... but I
consider him, also like Don Quixote, to be keeping ideals alive.
Though my reading of the debate in the Z1C echo indicates only that
Dallas Hinton called for David Moufarrege to "shit or get off the
pot" and was not a serious attempt to call for his removal - it's
still nice to know that concerned individuals like Ross will keep
such debates in the open. It's what keeps the _actual_ "Good Ol'
Boys" club good :)

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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Power Mongers
Email from Ross Johnson
[email protected]

-->8-- cut here
So I thought of myself (you still guess, what the hell have
cablemodems got to do anything with what you are saying?) ... What's
e-mail. It's nothing but a simple host supporting the POP3/SMTP
protocol. What we simply need to do is set up one or more
mailservers, develop a new protocol and a mailclient to support the
new protocol. A cable-modem can make it possible to set up a
mailserver with several gigabytes for mail and file-storage without
paying much.
-->8-- cut here

I had a similar idea, but it went something like this:

1> use existing technology (news servers)
2> Allow only "known" systems to connect.
2a> Only "registered" users can read/post.
3> Abusive systems can be disconnected. This will require definite
rules.
4> no "open feeds".
5> only moderated newsgroups.

It would not be hard to build a well run news system that could
augment the echomail system we have now. This system could run in
parallel to the current news servers on the internet. There's no
need to create a new protocol. What we might do is use a different
tcp/ip port, to make ourselves a little different. This could
differentiate the system enough to let people know that it's not
just another news system.

If it's kept moderated, then we wouldn't have the problems plaguing
the newsgroups like Spam.

Only allowing registered users makes it harder for news scanners to
"mine" email addresses and other information.

A definite set of rules would need to be developed, with
consequences for those who break the rules, up to and including
being disconnected from the system. This in and of itself will make
the whole proposition difficult to build and maintain. The easiest
way to ensure smooth operation would be to have a few "master" nodes
that everyone connects to. Every time this type of a system has come
up in Fido, I've watched as some scream "power monger!" and the
system either withers and dies, or people who have nothing better to
do continue to complain until the rest of us throw our hands up in
disgust.

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Anyway, that's my idea in a nutshell. If anyone wants to discuss
this (without calling me a power monger! <G>) feel free to write me
at either of the following addresses.

Russ Johnson
[email protected]
1:105/8

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Ex-sysop's vision of Fido on the Web
Email from Brian Kessler
[email protected]

Hello!

I'm an ex-SysOp from NJ and I just made a random pitstop at
http://www.fidonet.org/ ... I wanted to see if Fidonet even still
existed.... was happy to see that it does, even though in a surely
diminished form (I noticed there seem to be a few zones missing?).

Anyway, I agree that the Internet is a lot more impersonal and
commercial than the Fidonet was (is?).

With the explosion of free ISPs, I don't see any real niche for any
BBS that can't get itself a permanent connection to the INet... as
for Fidonet, I agree it needs a better portal into the Internet.
Not as web pages though... they are too annoying to navigate... not
as newsgroups or they'll be exposed to too much spam...

I think there are two directions to go (other than optimistic
promotion of telenetable BBSs)... one is a java client that can be
loaded by java capable browsers that can connect to a "fido-server"
and manage mail as we might have done offline with Blue Wave.

The second is an actual Fido-client (or a plug in for existing
software such as Outlook Express) which would allow for the handling
of netmail, echomail, mailing file-id's with a links to a fido-ftp
for the file-echos... perhaps the client software would use
assigned point numbers and members would still require human
approval in order to prevent/limit comercial abuse...

I don't have all the answers, but I don't think Fidonet has to
either die, be virtually lost on the web, or be subject to comercial
abuses... If everyone and their uncle can put out their own buddy
list application and still find a user base, I think some developers
within Fidonet can put out a Fidonet application and if we retain
the virtues we had before, find a user base.

Just some ideas for you to pass along...

-Brian.

Brian Matthew Kessler <[email protected]>
FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 6 22 May 2000

SpacePort Industries UnLimited
Chaos and Creativity Department
http://bmk.cjb.net

Are you still reading me? The message is over. Go away!

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ARTICLES
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The FidoNet Technical Standards Committee

This is the second part of three letters posted by Colin Turner in
the FTSC_PUBLIC echo, containing information about this important
Fido organization. Thanks to Lesley-Dee Dylan for forwarding this
information to Fidonews.

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Here are some Frequently Asked Questions (and answers) concerning
the FTSC.

* How do I join the FTSC?

The FTSC is an elected body, and you can only be appointed in this
way.

Elections are held periodically. You can ask in FTSC_PUBLIC when
the next election is likely to be. Keep watching FTSC_PUBLIC and
FidoNews for announcements.

* How do I suggest my own new standard?

Any point or node can suggest a new standard. You should read
FTA-1002 and to a lesser extent FTA-1001, FTA-1006 and FTA-1007.
After that you should know all you need to, but you can always
contact the FTSC administrator to clarify any problems.

* Where do I find the development information I need?

Experienced developers can find the information they require on
the FTSC Archive site:

WWW
http://www.ftsc.org

FTP
ftp://ftp.ftsc.org

FidoNet 2:443/13.0 and 2:443/14.0

A list of mirrors is also available.

Beginners might find it useful to look at the RoadMap project to
help them find the documents of interest.

* How can I contact the FTSC?

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The FTSC can be contacted in a variety of ways.

FidoNet

Contact the Administrator, Colin Turner, at 2:2/20

InterNet email

Contact [email protected]

Snail mail

FTSC
PO Box 443
Bangor
Northern Ireland
BT20 3BF
UK

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COLUMNS
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Kids Say the Darndest Things
Ol'WDB

A first grade teacher collected well known proverbs. She gave each
child in her class the first half of a proverb and asked them to
come up with the remainder of the proverb. Their insight may
surprise you.

Better to be safe than...................... Punch a 5th grader
Strike while the............................ Bug is close
It's always darkest before.................. Daylight Savings Time
Never underestimate the power of............ Termites
You can lead a horse to water but........... how?
Don't bite the hand that.................... looks dirty
No news is.................................. impossible
A miss is as good as a...................... Mr.
You can't teach an old dog new.............. math
If you lie down with dogs, you'll........... stink in the morning
Love all, trust............................. me
The pen is mightier than the................ pigs
An idle mind is............................. The best way to relax
Where there's smoke there's................. pollution
Happy the bride who......................... gets all the presents
A penny saved is............................ not much
Two's company, three's...................... the Musketeers
Don't put off till tomorrow what............ you put on to go to bed
Laugh and the whole world laughs
with you, cry and......................... you have to blow our nose
None are so blind as........................ Stevie Wonder
Children should be seen and not............. spanked or grounded
If at first you don't succeed............... get new batteries
You get out of something what you........... see pictured on the box
When the blind leadeth the blind............ get out of the way

And the favorite.....
Better late than............................ pregnant

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This Weeks Web Page
by Frank Vest
1:124/6308(.1)

What: FidoNet NET124

Where: http://www.startext.net/np/net124/

Net124 is in Dallas, Tx. That's pretty obvious from the "skyline"
FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 10 22 May 2000

scene and link button to "Dallas, TX USA". :) Below the Dallas
skyline are links telling about Fidonet, Fidonet History and such.
In the sale list of links are some things I really like. I'll just
take them in order of appearance. :)

People:
Do you ever wonder who some of the people in Fidonet are, what they
look like and such? Here you will see some of the current and past
members of Net124. Yes, I'm in there as well as the R19C. :-)

Current Dallas Nodes:
Yup, it's a list of the Nodes in Net124. The list is generated by a
program written, if I'm not mistaken, by Net124's Paul Lentz.

Next is a link to "Information about joining FidoNet". This is a
good overview of what it takes to join Fidonet.

Under this link are links to:

Our Friends in NET130's WEB Page
Our Friends in NET393's WEB Page
R19 WEB Page
Collin County Station BBS WEB Page

This is a nice gesture in that Net130 and 393 are close to Net124
and share some local echos. The R19 page was reviewed last week and
I thank Paul for getting the new link up on the Net124 page. Of
course, My little page is in there as well. :)

Now, move on down and you'll find the "Fidonet dog with diskette".
Click on the dog and, if you have a sound card, you should hear
something. :)

Ok, that's the site. I like it and there is some good information in
there. Check it out.

Regards,

Frank - [email protected]

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NET HUMOR
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Real Books... Unreal Titles!
Thanks to Roy Reed

The Foul and the Fragrant: Odor and the French Social Imagination;
1986.

Who's Who in Barbed Wire; 1970.

The Madman as Entrepreneur: Career Management in House Prostitution;
1979.

Correct Mispronunciations of Some South Carolina Names; 1981.

Manhole Covers of Los Angeles; 1974.

Leadership Secrets of Attila the Hun; 1995.

Three Weeks in Wet Sheets; 1856.

Be Married and Like It; 1937.

Pranks With the Mouth; 1879.

Build Your Own Hindenburg; 1983.

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COMIX IN ASCII
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Even Moo Famous Cows

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/-\/-\ |\_____/|
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^ ( ) ^ |_______|
( ) _ | _ |
/----\ /-------// |--(_)--|
/ \ \ / | || |_______| (__)
^ * ^ * ||----|| | | (++)
^^ ^^ |_______| \/
Mi Cow Angelo Marie Antoinette's Cow

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INTERNET INFO
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! = New entries this week
? = not responding
?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet

. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
Last update: April 30, 2000

FidoNet
Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

List server:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion

Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm
Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Net 2410: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/
Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org
Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
Region 15: <vacant>
Region 16: <vacant>
Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19
Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124
http://texoma.net/~flv
Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
FIDONEWS 17-21 Page 14 22 May 2000

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5028: http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

Zone 4:
Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
(Chinese)

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
time between when the message is received, and when it is
sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
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after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

v-email flag [email protected]
| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
271/140 @ Tom Barstow | UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
2624/306 @ David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/2 @ [email protected] | UUE | 28.8 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
284/800 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE | 64k |N/C
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

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Zone 4
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c

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* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks

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