F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 17 24 Apr 2000

F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 17 24 Apr 2000
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Is BBSing Dead? .......................................... 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2
Editorial Response - At What Age? ........................ 2
Something Special about Fido ............................. 3
Immaturity & Sysops ...................................... 3
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 5
ECHO TALK - Changes in Israel ............................ 5
ZC/2 elections starting... NOW! .......................... 5
4. COLUMNS .................................................. 10
Ol'WDB: Giving the Finger ................................ 10
This Weeks Web Page ...................................... 10
5. NET HUMOR ................................................ 13
Signs That You've Already Grown Up ....................... 13
6. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 14
Famous Cows .............................................. 14
7. NOTICES .................................................. 15
Speaking From the Heart .................................. 15
8. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 16
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 16
9. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 21
Masthead ................................................. 21
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EDITORIAL
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Is BBSing Dead?
Doug Myers

Back in the late 1980's, I got onto a BBS for the first time with
all the power of a 300 baud modem. I was lured by the promise of
free software in abundance - but it was the online community that
made this venture a lifelong hobby rather than a passing fad. I
guess I'd always enjoyed interacting with people, but the
interaction was never so intense as when corrosponding with people
on bulletin boards.

Does the internet community offer this same intensity of
interaction? I really don't know as I've never fully participated
in the internet. Oh, I exchange a lot of email, but most of it is
with folks I've met through bbsing. Perhaps the more appropriate
question is: Is the internet a substitute for BBSing? Again, I'm
only asking as I don't truly know the answer... I'm an old BBSer
from way back.

A letter I received this week (the author declined publication)
pronounced BBSing dead, as well as Fidonet. Further, he pronounced
FTP and telenet to be dead ends, that folks would only point and
click on the Web in the future.

The author made some good points - it's certainly not a state secret
that folks have embraced the internet and that the local bbs just
isn't visited any more. And I've long agreed that a Fidonet which
depends on BBSing as it was in the past won't survive.

However, Fidonet still carries the sense of community which BBSing
held when I first got into it. Further, I've not heard of folks on
the internet telling me about that - so I'm presuming it doesn't
exist or hasn't formed yet.

Now here's a sense of direction for the future: if Fidonet can
successfully maintain this sense of community, possibly even
carrying it to the internet, then Fido will never die. However,
Fido right now is composed of a lot of us who remember the spirit of
BBSing... and there won't be many of us left as time goes by with
the BBS a thing of the past. Just as we needed BBS users in the
past to make our community come alive, so we'll need the "point and
clickers" in the future. Are we doing anything to embrace them?

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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Editorial Response - At What Age?
Echomail From the Fidonews Conference
Nahum Wengrov, 2:402/633

Responding to what FidoNews Robot wrote to All,
about FidoNews 17:16 [01/07]: Editorial, on 17 Apr 00, 00:16

FR> So at what age is one sufficiently mature to post in a Fidonet
FR> echo?

I don't know about Fidonet, but we have here in Israel 2 local
Fido-style networks in Hebrew. The average age of most active
participants is 16. The youngest participants to write regularly
were 12 when they joined.

English is a second language here, and I don't think there are many
teenagers here fluent enough in English to enjoy reading, let alone
writing, in an international English network. Perhaps that's the
reason why most of Ultinet and C-net members don't bother to write
in Fidonet.

FR> Nineteen isn't such a bad age. Though the age seems far away
FR> to me at the age of 53, I seem to recall that I had most of my
FR> language skills developed by that age and had a good general
FR> idea of how people interacted. While I've got to admit that
FR> subsequent life experience has modified my approach to things,
FR> I believe that at the age of 19 I was sufficiently mature to
FR> enter conversations as an adult. But then, I wasn't online
FR> then... I was nineteen in the sixties and hardly anyone was
FR> online then! Especially, I wasn't interacting in a hobby which
FR> has somewhat passed its prime and whose participants tend to
FR> middle age rather than youth.

I was a Yeshiva (Rabbinical College) student at the age of 19, in
the 70's. I didn't own or have access to a computer yet. I got my
first computer when I was 25, and only bought a modem a few years
later. It took me a few years of modeming to discover the
Fido-style mail networks here.

By now, BBS's in Israel are mail-only or dead. The majority of
C-net participants already polls their mail from their 2 Internet
hubs. The future is in the Internet.

FR> Imagine... the future of Fido is in the hands of a sysop who
FR> goes by the handle of Black Death. Kinda scary, eh?

In a few years he'll probably change his handle :)

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Something Special about Fido
Email to the Editor
Bruce Anderson

For some reason, decided to check out Fidonet presence on the net a
couple of days ago, and was pleasantly surprised.

As part of Fidonet for about 8 years, (86-94?), and as the NC of
Net 342 (Region 17), I cherish the time spent in the Fidonet
community. Changing priorities resulted in me dropping Fidonet
activities, but I'm glad to see Fidonet is, in this day and age of
the Internet, thriving. (Some may question that description, but all
things considered...)

Fidonet does have something special. Keep that in mind.

Bruce Anderson
(Past NC of Net 342 - Fort McMurray, AB, Canada
Presently of Gladstone, Queensland, Australia).
[email protected]

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Immaturity & Sysops
Email to the Editor
Michael Adams
[email protected]

Immaturity is irrelevant to young age. Here in Florida, there
used to be a number of young sysops here. Around 1997, a guy
shut down a system he ran since age 12. Around 1996, I started
using BBS' and ran one from 7-1996 to 3-1999: Fidonet 1:374/163;
the Slug BBS. My age at bootup: 15. My age before shutdown:
17 (18 in May).

We need the young people. We also need young people who could
use their cable modems to run Telnettable BBS', as Internet is
here to stay, and there won't be any 374 net 2 years from now.
But that's another issue, and one that may be interesting.

Long live the BBS'!

Michael Adams
Former Sysop, The Slug BBS, 1:374/163

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Editor: There's a corrolation between age and immaturity to my
experience, as I find most young people refreshingly unencumbered by
excessive maturity. If I want to try something new or innovative, I
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value a bit of immaturity. The "mature" response to innovation is
that the old way was good enough.

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ARTICLES
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. -- -- -- -- -- ECHO TALK -- -- -- -- -- .
| Food for thought from Fido's echomail. |
| Purloined without permission by D Myers |
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Changes in Israel
Nahum Wengrov
2:402/633

Hello All,

I have been dethroned. The Emperor of region 2:40 decided to
disband all nets in the region and unite them under his domain. I
am to become 2:400/633, and lose my NC status about a month after
having acquired it :)

I personally agree with this move. In a place such as Israel,
where most people don't write English unless they are forced to do
so, dividing Fidonet into nets, with most of them having only one
hub and a few nodes, simply doesn't make sense. Especially since
the volume of mail is small enough and the modems are fast enough
to make the difference in the phone bill really insignificant.

Also, in the 3rd millenium, almost anyone who has a computer has
internet access. More and more old-style bbs'es here in Israel are
closing down. The majority of the participants of C-net, our major
local Fido-style Hebrew network, are already polling mail
(echomail, netmail, and file echoes) from the two Internet hubs.

In another 2 weeks, our national phone company, Bezeq, will allow
users to access the Internet for a flat rate of $25 per month.
This will allow more Fidonet hubs (like me) to stay online 24/7,
allowing their downlinks to poll mail through the Internet. This
will make the division of the region into separate nets even more
ridiculous than it is today.

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ZC/2 elections starting... NOW!
By Jan Vermeulen, RC/28

The following message was published in the REGCON.EUR (Zone 2) area
on Fri 21 Apr 2000 - it was also sent to all individual RCs in Z2.

Colleagues,

Too long a time has passed since Ward announced the ZC/2 elections
based on the formation of an elections committee; for a number of
reasons this did not work as was expected by all concerned -- nobody
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can really be blamed forthis, least of all Ward himself, who, time
and again, has used his virtual whip in order to get progress where
none was visible.

Oh well, finally this message marks the kick off of the ZC/2 elect-
ions, with me as your Receiving Officer and DavidRance as the
Verification Officer.

Mailing addresses are at the end of this message.

The Schedule:
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Call for candidates 22.04.2000 - 05.05.2000
Soap boxes published 06.05.2000
Discussions 06.05.2000 - 31.05.2000
Regional referenda 31.05.2000 - 13.06.2000
Votes by RCs 06.06.2000 - 19.06.2000
Results published 20.06
[if a second round is needed]
Regional referenda 20.06.2000 - 27.06.2000
Votes by RCs 27.06.2000 - 04.07.2000
Results published 05.07

Starting dates are considered to commence at 00:00 UTC
Ending dates are considered to end at 23:59 UTC

Echomail areas used for the discussions:
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REGCON.EUR and ENET.SYSOP
Current rules for those areas remain in force.

Who may be a candidate:
-----------------------

Any sysop of Zone 2 region 20 thru 54 whose system is not Pvt,
Hold or Down may run for ZC/2.

Sysops of non-CM systems are expected to promise that, when
elected, they will upgrade to CM before taking this most
important office in our zone.

Who may vote:
-------------

The Region Coordinators of Zone 2 Regions 20 .. 54.
Ideally, an RC's vote should reflect the result of a referendum
they will have held in their Region.

What the vote should look like:
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By: John F Coordinator 2:nn/0
To: ZC-vote 2:28/0
Re: My vote
---------------------------------
<name> ! <password>

What password to use:
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Each RC will be provided by crashed netmail with a password
that (s)he must use in order to have his/her vote validated.

Where candidates can send their application and RCs can send
their votes:
------------------------------------------------------------

The vote may be sent (in descending order of preference and
degree of security):

(1) by crash netmail to the Receiving Officer at 2:28/0
(it may be prudent to force as V32bis session...)

(2) by fax to 31-75-6401600. (Make sure you use a legible
typeface at 12 points at least for my scanner and OCR
software to make a correct conversion).

(3) by email to [email protected]

(4) by routed netmail to the Receiving Officer at 2:28/0

Who may participate in the Regional Referendum:
-----------------------------------------------

The Sysops of all systems that are not Pvt, Hold or Down and
having a valid telephone number for the Region in question.
Regardless of the number of systems operated, a Sysop will have
one vote.

How the result of the elections will be calculated:
---------------------------------------------------

Each Region has one vote.

A vote that is not for one of the candidates will be invalid
and shall not influence the results in any way.

In the first round, the sucessful candidate must have more
than 50% of the votes cast and valid.

If such result is not obtained, a second round will be run
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between a minimum of two candidates; the list of candidates
is compounded as follows:

votes for: rerun between:
---------------------------- ---------------------------
cand_1 > cand_2 > cand_3 ... cand_1 and cand_2
cand_1 = cand_2 > cand_3 ... cand_1 and cand_2
cand_1 = cand_2 = cand_3 ... cand_1 and cand_2 and cand_3
cand_1 > cand_2 = cand_3 ... cand_1 and cand_2 and cand_3

The successful candidate will be who has the most votes.

In case of a tie after the secound round, lots will be drawn in
the following way:
. prior to the start of the second round of voting, the RO will
have sent a list of four numbers between 0 and 100 to a trusted
third party (TTP) who is neither RC nor candidate and whose
name will not be revealed until needed.
. each candidate surviving the second round will send his/her
own set of 4 numbers to the RO who will request the VO to
compare them with the list he will receive from the TTP.
. the successfull candidate's set of numbers will be closest to
the sum of the numbers or, if there is still a draw, closest
to the first of the composing numbers, e.g.

numbers are 34 67 88 91 sum = 280

cand_1 has 37 61 94 87 sum = 279
dev 3 6 6 4
cand_2 has 31 61 91 98 sum = 281
dev 3 6 3 7
---------------------^^ wins

Crossposting:
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To ENET.SYSOP and REGCON.EUR

Please post also to your local sysops areas in preparation of
the referendum you will run.

Mailing addresses:
------------------

Jan Vermeulen Fidonet 2:28/0
Email [email protected]
Fax 31-75-6401600

David Rance Fidonet 2:25/0

-=<[ JV ]>=-

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COLUMNS
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"SAYINGS"
`Worth reading'
[email protected]

A Little history lesson for you...History of Giving the Finger:
_
/'_/
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/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' ' _~/' ')
\ ' /
'\' \ _.7'
\ (
\ \
Giving the Finger

Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating
victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of
all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be
impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore those
with no middle finger would be incapable of fighting in the future.

This famous weapon was made of the native English Yew tree, and the
act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the yew" (or
"pluck yew"). Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English
won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving their
middle fingers at the defeated French, saying, "See, we can still
pluck yew! PLUCK YEW!"

Since "pluck yew" is rather difficult to say, the difficult
consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a
labiodental fricative 'F', and thus the words often used in
conjunction with the one-finger-salute are mistakenly thought to
have something to do with an intimate encounter.

It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows used with
the longbow that the symbolic gesture is known as "giving the bird."

And yew thought yew knew everything about fingers! 8^)

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This Weeks Web Page
by Frank Vest
1:124/6308(.1)

What: Jazzmasters Strange Facts & Useless Information
FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 11 24 Apr 2000

Where: http://members.tripod.com/~Mitchell_J/

Ok... This isn't exactly a Fidonet page. :) It is the page of a
friend and Point of mine. Please forgive my wandering off like
this. :-)

Here's a cut and paste about the pages:

-------- cut --------

I've been collecting these little stories, facts, and bits of
useless information for quite some time and thought it was time to
share a few of them with everyone. Feel free to E-mail me if you
have any suggestions or any strange facts you might think need to be
posted here as well.
-----------------------------
For those who may be interested, I also have a humor mailing list
you can subscribe to. Simply send a blank e-mail (or click on the
graphic below) with the word "Subscribe R" or "Subscribe PG" in the
subject line and you'll be set!
---- uncut ---------

Ok... so why did I put this page in the Fidonews?

Because it's there?! :)

Real reason is, "Just a break from the usual".

I've know Randy (Jazzmaster) since my BBS in Texas was named "The
Musicians' Forum". He called, left me a message, we met and he
became a Point off of my BBS. We've been friends since.

As you might have guessed, Randy is a musician... and a darn site
better one than I'll ever be! That should explain his page and the
sense of humor involved better than anything I could write. :) After
many years "on the road" in music, I'd bet there isn't much Randy
hasn't seen or heard. <G>

Enough about that.

The page

The page is just what it says... "Strange Facts and Useless
Information".

There are links to page after page of this stuff. I will warn you
that some of the pages are adult type information and you might want
to be careful if this would offend you. Otherwise, look, click and
laugh or be amazed at this stuff. :)

There is a nice midi song that is played on the main page. You might
or might not know it ("What a Wonderful World") and a guest book as
well as an ICQ link and information.
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When you visit the page, be sure to sign the guest book and tell him
you got lost.... er heard about the page in the Fidonews. I'm sure
I'll hear about that. :-))

Have fun, read, learn, laugh and pray for me when Randy finds out I
did this. :)

I'll get back on the Fidonet stuff next week (I hope). <smile>

With insane regards,

Frank
[email protected]

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NET HUMOR
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Top 25 Signs That You've Already Grown Up
Thanks to Lynn Gipson

1. Your potted plants stay alive.
2. Fooling around in a twin sized bed is absurd.
3. You keep more food than beer in the fridge.
4. 6:00 AM is when you get up, not when you go to sleep.
5. You hear your favorite song on an elevator.
6. You carry an umbrella. You watch the Weather Channel.
7. Your friends marry and divorce instead of hookup and
breakup.
8. You go from 130 days of vacation time to 7.
9. Jeans and a sweater no longer qualify as 'dressed up'.
10. You're the one calling the police because those darn kids
next door don't know how to turn down the stereo.
11. Older relatives feel comfortable telling sex jokes around
you.
12. You don't know what time Taco Bell closes anymore.
13. Your car insurance goes down and your car payments go up.
14. You feed your dog Science Diet instead of McDonald's.
15. Sleeping on the couch makes your back hurt.
16. You no longer take naps from noon to 6 p.m.
17. Dinner and a movie - The whole date instead of the
beginning of one.
18. MTV News is no longer your primary source for information.
19. You go to the drugstore for Ibuprofen and antacids, not
condoms and pregnancy tests.
20. A $4.00 bottle of wine is no longer 'pretty good stuff,'
21. You actually eat breakfast foods at breakfast time.
22. Grocery lists are longer than macaroni & cheese, diet
Pepsi & Ho-Ho's.
23. "I just can't drink the way I used to" replaces "I'm never
going to drink that much again."
24. Over 90% of the time you spend in front of a computer is
for real work.
25. You don't drink at home to save money before going to a
bar.

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COMIX IN ASCII
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Famous Cows

(__) (__)
(oo) ------------------------- (oo)
/-------\/ - | Don't have a Bart, man! | /-------\/
/ | || ------------------------- / | ||
* ||----|| * (.)(.)||
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
The Simpsons' cow Dolly Parton's
Cow

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NOTICES
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Speaking From the Heart
Doug Myers

Okay, I'm not really speaking from the heart, I'm speaking about it.
At the time you read this, I will probably be in the local hospital.
The good news is that it won't be for the open heart surgery I
mentioned a while back. The various doctors, in conference, decided
that a procedure called baloon angioplasty could accomplish the same
healing. The difference is that the angioplasty only requires an
overnight stay in the hospital and a few days off work (instead of
the three month's unemployment I was preparing for).

My thanks to Bobby Queen and Peter Karlsson for offering to put out
Fidonews in the event that I was unable. Hopefully I'll be able for
a long time to come, but it's good to know that there's backup if
needed :)

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INTERNET INFO
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! = New entries this week
? = not responding
?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet

. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
Last update: April 1, 2000

FidoNet
Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

List server:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion

Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm
Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Net 2410: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/
Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org
Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
Region 15: <vacant>
Region 16: <vacant>
Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: <Vacant>
Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124
http://texoma.net/~flv
Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
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Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5028: http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

Zone 4:
Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
(Chinese)

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
time between when the message is received, and when it is
sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
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after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

v-email flag [email protected]
| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
271/140 @ Tom Barstow | UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
2624/306 @ David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/2 @ [email protected] | UUE | 28.8 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
284/800 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE | 64k |N/C
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

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Zone 4
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c

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