F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 16 17 Apr 2000

F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 16 17 Apr 2000
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
At What Age Maturity? .................................... 1
2. ARTICLES ................................................. 3
FOTI's new website ....................................... 3
3. COLUMNS .................................................. 4
Ol'WDB: Sayings .......................................... 4
This Weeks Web Page ...................................... 5
4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 6
Stupid People ............................................ 6
5. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 7
Famous Cows .............................................. 7
6. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 8
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 8
7. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 13
Masthead ................................................. 13
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EDITORIAL
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At What Age Maturity?
Doug Myers

The Halls of Fidonet are quiet tonight. The Fido Elders have
retired to their Chambers and have not issued Pronouncements for a
long time now. The Grunt Sysops are peacefully tilling their fields
and don't seem in revolt at the moment. Indeed, the ElfLords seem
to have dropped their agenda of atrocities. The mail movers
haven't shot any stars out of the constellation; the splintering
into more backbones seems arrested.

All in all, it's a slow news day...

But over in the Z1C echo, Stewart Hornsberger comes to our rescue,
fending off several of Fido's more "experienced" sysops in an
argument over maturity. Though I haven't examined all the messages
related to the string, it appears that Stewart revealed his age of
19 on his web page, and was subsequently called down for
"immaturity" in some of his subsequent posting.

Whether the charge is accurate or not I couldn't tell you, as I
didn't read the original messages. But I'm familiar with Stewart's
posting in other conversations and know that he's given to
passionate and confrontational exchanges which some associate with
immaturity. Mr. Hornsberger mainly makes the point that maturity
cannot be determined by age alone, and cites events in his life
which would contribute to maturity at an early age, such as passing
newspapers to purchase his first computers rather than being born
with a keyboard in his lap.

So at what age is one sufficiently mature to post in a Fidonet echo?
The debate will undoubtedly continue to rage in the Z1C conference
as I don't expect to resolve it here. However, I expect to make a
few observations which may fuel the conversation... or, more likely,
be disregarded as the ramblings of an editor trying to make
something of a slow news day.

Nineteen isn't such a bad age. Though the age seems far away to me
at the age of 53, I seem to recall that I had most of my language
skills developed by that age and had a good general idea of how
people interacted. While I've got to admit that subsequent life
experience has modified my approach to things, I believe that at the
age of 19 I was sufficiently mature to enter conversations as an
adult. But then, I wasn't online then... I was nineteen in the
sixties and hardly anyone was online then! Especially, I wasn't
interacting in a hobby which has somewhat passed its prime and whose
participants tend to middle age rather than youth.

To Stewart I can only offer this observation: if you post in a
confrontational style, folks are going to look at you at the age of
nineteen and say that the style is obviously a sign of immaturity.
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If *I*, at the age of 52, post in that same confrontational style,
folks are going to conclude that it's obviously the sign of some
mid-life crisis. If Warren Bonner posts in that same
confrontational style, folks will conclude that it's a sign of
dotage.

Posting passionate messages arguing your maturity probably won't
change folks perceptions... it's kinda like holding your breath
until they see you as mature.

To the more experienced participants in the discussion, I'll offer
this observation: Like it or not, Stewart is the future of Fidonet.
Any plan which will accomplish growth in Fido is going to have to
involve younger people - the middle aged folks are already here :)

Imagine... the future of Fido is in the hands of a sysop who goes by
the handle of Black Death. Kinda scary, eh?

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ARTICLES
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FOTI's new website!
Bobby Queen

Folks as some of you may already know Simon Slater has stepped down
as the webmaster of the FOTI (FidoNet on the Internet) site. I made
an offer to take over the site and Simon agreed. The site's already
be relocated to a new site at http://foti.webjump.com. I've already
fixed all of the mail links etc & I'm now going to start on the list
of all the echomail echos. The previous sites listing has links to
any websites set up for the echos and email links to the moderators.
I am going to get my email links from the elist echo list but if you
have a webpage setup for your echo then you can send that info to me
at [email protected]. Any other suggestions can be sent to me at the
same address.

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COLUMNS
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"SAYINGS"
Collected by
[email protected]

Quotes:
Ah, yes, "divorce," from the Latin word meaning "to rip out a man's
genitals through his wallet." -Robin Williams

Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I think of it as the
only time of the month that I can be myself. -Roseanne

Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place. -Billy
Crystal

I just broke up with someone and the last thing she said to me was,
'You'll never find anyone like me again!' I'm thinking, "I should
hope not! If I don't want you, why would I want someone like you?"
-Larry Miller

If you want to say it with flowers, a single rose says: "I'm cheap!"
-Delta Burke

You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you
this look that says, "My God, you're right! I never would've thought
of that!" - Dave Barry

According to a new survey, women say they feel more comfortable
undressing in front of men than they do undressing in front of other
women. They say that women are too judgmental, where, of course, men
are just grateful. - Jay Leno

I am not the boss of my house. I don't know when I lost it. I don't
know if I ever had it. But I have seen the boss's job and I do not
want it. - Bill Cosby

In the last couple of weeks I have seen the ads for the Wonder Bra.
Is that really a problem in this country? Men not paying enough
attention to women's breasts?- Jay Leno

"Sure-nuff" Bumper Sticker Sayings:

You are depriving some poor village of it's IDIOT.

Your gene pool needs a little chlorine.

100,000 Sperm and YOU were the FASTEST?

All men are animals... some just make better pets.

You used to have a handle on life, but it broke!

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IF you don't feel close to God anymore, guess who moved...

QUITURBITCHIN NOBACKSEATDRIVING

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This Weeks Web Page
by Frank Vest
1:124/6308(.1)

What: Welcome to Echoes BBS Homepages

Where: http://www.echos.demon.co.uk/index.html

The BBS is located (as best I can tell) in Farnborough. I assume
this is in England.

This page's background is a nice star field. Below the "Welcome to
Echoes BBS Homepages" is a Logo for the BBS. Also on this page is an
Amiga Web Ring.

Just below the Logo is the link "meet the Sysop". Check this out
first. Steve has some interesting hobbies. :)

The BBS is running on an Amiga. Click on the link "Tell me more
about Echoes BBS" to find out about the system and other information
on the BBS. The "Networks carried" link will take you to a page
telling about the different Networks carried. Echos BBS has over 10
Networks connected according to this page.

Point Systems are offered as well and explained on the pages. There
is a page to apply for membership to the Echos BBS as well. The
"Download filelists and guides" link offers files about the BBS,
Pointing and File lists. There is a guest book as well. When you
visit the page, be sure to sign it... I did. :)

On the "Some of my other links" link is a place to add your own link
along with many links to other interesting and helpful sites.

When you're out surfing the Internet, drop by this page and look it
over.

Regards,

Frank
[email protected]

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NET HUMOR
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Stupid People
Thanks to Roy Reed

Stupid people should have to wear signs that just say, "I'm Stupid".
That way you wouldn't rely on them, would you? You wouldn't ask them
anything. It would be like, "Excuse me...oops, never mind. I didn't
see your sign."

It's like before my wife and I moved. Our house was full of boxes
and there was a U-Haul truck in our driveway. My friend comes over
and says "Hey, you moving?" "Nope. We just pack our stuff up once or
twice a week to see how many boxes it takes. Here's your sign."

A couple of months ago I went fishing with a buddy of mine, we
pulled his boat into the dock, I lifted up this big 'ol stringer of
bass and this idiot on the dock goes, "Hey, y'all catch all them
fish?" "Nope - Talked 'em into giving up. Here's your sign."

I was watching one of those animal shows on the Discovery Channel.
There was a guy inventing a shark bite suit. And there's only one
way to test it. "Alright Jimmy, you got that shark suit on, it looks
good... They want you to jump into this pool of sharks, and you
tell us if it hurts when they bite you." "Well, all right, but hold
my sign. I don't wanna lose it."

Last time I had a flat tire, I pulled my truck into one of those
side-of-the-road gas stations. The attendant walks out, looks at my
truck, looks at me, and I SWEAR he said, "Tire go flat?" I couldn't
resist. Said, "Nope. I was driving around and those other three
just swelled right up on me. Here's your sign."

We were trying to sell our car about a year ago. A guy came over to
the house and drove the car around for about 45 minutes. We get back
to the house, he gets out of the car, reaches down and grabs the
exhaust pipe, then says, "Darn that's hot!" See? If he'd been
wearing his sign, I could have stopped him.

I learned to drive an 18 wheeler in my days of adventure. Wouldn't
ya know I misjudged the height of a bridge. The truck got stuck and
I couldn't get it out no matter how I tried. I radioed in for help
and eventually a local cop shows up to take the report. He went
through his basic questioning..ok..no problem. I thought sure he was
clear of needing a sign...until he asked "So..is your truck stuck?"
I couldn't help myself! I looked at him, looked back at the rig and
then back to him and said "no I'm delivering' a bridge...here's your
sign."

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COMIX IN ASCII
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Famous Cows

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