F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 04 24 Jan 2000

F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 04 24 Jan 2000
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Bullies .................................................. 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 3
Who's Out There Lurking? ................................. 3
Why Not Cockroaches? ..................................... 5
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 6
THE BULLIES OF FIDONET ................................... 6
What are ya gonna do?!? .................................. 8
4. COLUMNS .................................................. 11
Ol'WDB: Makes you wonder ................................. 11
5. NET HUMOR ................................................ 12
Boy Becomes SomeBody ..................................... 12
6. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 13
Cow Circus: Cow Balancing on Ball ........................ 13
7. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 14
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 14
8. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 18
Masthead ................................................. 18
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EDITORIAL
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Bullies
Doug Myers

Sunday Morning I received an article from "Mike" (full name not
given) on "The Bullies of Fidonet." It's an article I don't fully
agree with - but since Fidonews should be open to all viewpoints, I
publish it without regret. The free press nature of Fidonews,
however, does not prevent me (nor anyone else) from presenting an
opinion on the issue, however.

First of all, I sympathize with Mike in his plight. I would imagine
that he really is receiving all the unkind messages he says he is.
I'm not following the particular conferences he cites nor the
discussion in progress, but the arguments between pro-life and
pro-choice on abortion matters isn't exactly new nor confined to the
conferences on Fidonet. My own experience has been that both
extreme positions in this argument have accumulated their share of
unreasonable proponents so that rational public discussion is
impossible.

What's unclear from Mike's account is how much he contributed to
situation which led to his bannings and heated responses. I
wouldn't expect him to report that he went into the discussions with
an attitude and drew response in kind from his counterparts on the
other extreme of the issue, but it does seem more reasonable a
scenario that that he joined the conference posting sweetness and
light and received personal attacks from the forces of evil.

Here are two areas where Mike's case against Fidonet is clearly
weak, though. (1) He holds Fidonet Sysops and Moderators
responsible for controlling messages he finds offensive, and (2) he
threatens legal action.

If the decline of Fidonet is predicated on Sysops and Moderators
controlling messages to the extent of not offending anyone, then we
may as well throw in the towel now. Folks can take offense at
_anything_ and frequently do. Controlling ones own reaction to
offense has always been necessary for public interaction, and is
hardly new to Fidonet. I doubt that this requirement has led to the
decline of Fido.

Yes, moderators have taken steps over the years to restrict posting
which goes out of its way to be offensive, but the effort is
normally directed towards the smooth flow of conversation in the
echo. Participants who take offense frequently to the statements of
others and expect moderator action in each case have frequently
found themselves removed from the conference on the basis that their
complaints are just as disruptive as the offensive posting. Which
is worse: one who goes out of his way to be offensive, or one who
goes out of his way to be offended?

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Threatening legal action is the lowest form of echo behavior, in my
opinion. First of all, it is seldom seriously intended nor
practical and, as such, is only intended as bluff and bravado.
However, it's the biggest conversation killer around. What echo
participant would want to cope with legal action over conversations
which are supposed to be a pastime? Defending against even a
trivial legal matter would impose more expense and time demands on
an individual than he is willing to devote to the hobby. In my
opinion, threatened legal action gives any moderator or sysop the
right to drop the threatener.

Fidonet does need ways to cope with the fact that there are going to
be less BBSes in the future. Unlike many of the optimists, I don't
think that trend is going to reverse... though I think Fido can
survive with a smaller nodelist. However, I don't think the
discussion is enhanced by taking up every grudge which comes down
the pike. Sorry, Mike, but I think you're going to have to come to
terms with the moderators and sysops you're arguing with on your
own. I don't think you'll muster "Fidonet" behind you.

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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Who's Out There Lurking?
[email protected]

Doug,

Here's an e-mail I wrote in reply to Lesley-Dee's article in the
last issue of Snooze. As you'll see, I used to be a Fido sysop, now
I just browse the Snooze and wonder what if? As I noted to
Lesley-Dee, you too may do what you will with these words, in a
spectrum ranging from pulling the chain to publishing far and wide.
Whatever you do will be right.

Incidentally, did you know that the richest man in New Zealand is
called Doug Myers?

the words follow

Lesley-Dee

Like you, like many, I used to be in FidoNet. I joined up somewhere
in the mid to late 80s, first as 2:253/197, later as 2:250/102 and
later still as a node in the German Zone 24 but I forgot the number.

At its peak I ran Merkinstead, a UK and later German BBS that scored
upwards of 10,000 hits a month for its mix of attitude, e-mail,
echoes, a real mean AI engine, downloads delivered by a Hairy
Protocol and (then the wonder of the age) a unique online interface
to the broadcast database that is European teletext.

So why stop?

I moved house, country and job. I became less and less patient with
tiny-minded men with names like Keith Wassell and Ron Dwight (back
then respectively *Cs in Region 25 and Zone 2). It's no coincidence
that *C sounds-like STASI - the acronym of the loathsome East German
spying & secret police outfit.

I miss the great cameraderie - the monthly meets at the Barleycorn
pub in West Didsbury in Manchester, England; the phone calls about
some new discovery; the shared purchases of new exciting gear.

The fact that when I joined Fido a sysop called Phil Burden could be
bothered to put up with my 13 unsuccessful attempts to e-mail his
system before I got it right... and then he replied with the desired
node number.

There was the time that Dave Thorpe found somewhere somehow the
close-out stock of some company and we all bought unimagineably big
192 MB hard disks. And wondered how we could ever fill them with
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downloads and gateway programs.

The time I got hold of a CD ROM drive and managed to belabor it into
working with my Amstrad PC1512 computer with its 8086 CPU and
incredible 640K of RAM to create what I boasted was 'one of Fido's
biggest file troughs'. It probably wasn't but the files.bbs list
alone was 100K long...

The very first time someone called my BBS, pulled the rope to ring
the bell and as the rope came away in their hand was greeted by our
Butler: 'a tall, cadaverous man who sways slightly as he welcomes
you to the House. Some people say he drinks so much because he has
forgotten his Real Name - or is it just that he has forgotten his
Name because he drinks so much?"

I miss the shared pleasure of devising new toys for the BBS. The
great spirit of discovery that led John Clempner to write and
present to Merkinstead the software to display teletext (a closed
captioning database of about 20 MB per tv channel) without even
seeing the tv card in my computer. Or Simon Dowson, who created the
AI engine that allowed our online Ngaire to give astonishingly
believable answers to caller's questions - and even led one
unfortunate lovesick lad to call the house line and insist to my
astonished wife that she must allow him to pledge his troth to the
lovely Ngaire at once!

Merkinstead.com will, one day soon, reappear on the Internet,
together with radio station 2BGR (for Bloody Good Radio) which I
don't suppose we could ever have achieved with the Fido technology
of the time. And when it does, no whining weasel Wassells, no
drivelling dweebly Dwights, will tell me what to put up, which
messages I may carry, who I may allow to come onto my property. And
if Keith Wassell or Ron Dwight don't like these words, I invite them
or any other *C to discuss the question with me keyboard to keyboard
at [email protected]. Attorneys at thirty paces!

Fido's strength was its friendship, anarchy, common purpose and
shared sense of exploration. Its weakness was and is the whole crap
and bullshit of Policy - (since when does English give capital
letters to plain ornery words?) and the unnecessary power structure
inherent in the *C system. Fido needs exactly as much Policy as does
the Internet. No less, no more. But it won't happen because the boys
won't let go of the toys until one day the nursery will be empty and
no-one will care any more. If anyone cares now.

So long as anyone can de-list a Fido node, Fido is doomed. So long
as the Nodelist entry is conditioned on anything other than purely
technical grounds, Fido will die. Because even though I pay people
money for my DNS listing, nobody is telling me what I may do with
it. Not to mention that the Internet is bigger, better connected,
cheaper to do and more fun.

You're free to do what you like with this outpouring of
sentimentality and drivel. Print it, dump it, shred it, feed it to
the cat. Even put it through Merkinstead's Mincing Machine (tho it
may well hit you with its handbag if you do!)
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But, like Fido used to be and stopped being, it was fun while it
lasted.

Philip

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Why Not Cockroaches?
Andrei Fomenko
2:5041/14.8

In the FIDONEWS echo, Andrei questions the use of ASCII cows in the
comix section...
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AF> Why cows? What about goats or cockroaches? :)

DM> No one knows how to draw them :(

\ /
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-o- AF> Such a..... an insect lives in my appartment #8-[ ]
-o- AF> Bleah! BUT, once I saw it eating a cockroach :) I
-o- AF> mean IT was eating a cockroach, NOT me:)
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/ \

DM> Keep it. It's kinda like keeping a cat to control the rats :)

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ARTICLES
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THE BULLIES OF FIDONET
"Mike" <[email protected]>

In this "Open Letter", I would like to call attention to the
problem of certain resident "bullies" who presently prowl Fidonet.
Just how does one defend against such cyberspace bullies within the
confines of Fidonet? Not too effectively, I'm sorry to say. In
this letter, I will name only people who I have interacted with
favorable. Anyone that I accuse of any improper conduct has NOT
been named herein because it is not my intent to further involve
FidoNet into the dispute.

My first experience with Fidonet was with Airpower BBS in the
Philadelphia metropolitan area and it's sysop, Jim Henry, who is one
of the few conscientious and fair sysops I've met in cyberspace.
Upon discovering the Abortion conference; and making known my
pro-life position I quickly found the Moderator of that conference
very biased against anyone who held a view contrary to hers. The
moderator, on a "bad hair day" unfairly and arbitrarily dismissed me
from the conference because of my religious views. A series of
ongoing insulting and defamatory messages ensued in the conference
after I was booted and I began responding to each writer via net
mail to correct misinformation.

And, she was not the only one with that attitude in the conference.
As a result, most of the real pro-life people in that conference
left, even though the conference was taken over by a new moderator
who I believe is a paper Christian/pro-lifer. Some time later, that
Moderator who I believe was fully aware of the unfairness afforded
me by his predecessor allowed me back into the conference.
Unfortunately, the new moderator did not have the confidence to run
the conference without intimidation and control from some of the
senior pro-babykilling members of the conference. When a dispute
arose between myself and one of the other members of the conference
about his sending me offensive, blasphemous and religiously
harassing messages in the conference, addressed to me personally the
offending person voluntarily agreed to stop posting such messages.
A little while later, the same person again began using the
offensive post to me, knowing full well that I was offended by it
because of it's blasphemous content.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that some "old
timer" pro-abortion people in the conference who didn't want the
pro-life message to get too much exposure could figure out what a
"fence teetering" moderator would do if he got into a serious legal
jam. After I agreed to stop posting my messages to the perp who was
sending me the harassing, blasphemous messages; and without ever
ordering said perp to stop posting to me, the moderator booted me
from the abortion conference. Shortly thereafter I began
complaining (mostly by private messages) to people who were defaming
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me in the Abortion conference. I also notified the moderator and
several members of the conference that I would sue them for their
tortious acts against me.

The "perp" after being warned by the moderator of the Bible
conference about his messages to and about me left the Bible
conference and went over to "Holysmoke" where he began posting
untrue statements about me and the long standing dispute. I filed a
cease and desist message defending myself in that conference and
specifically avoiding engaging in any discussions with anyone in
Holysmoke.

Many of the obnoxious people in Holysmoke who frequent that
conference solely to be obnoxious began, along with the "perp" to
post sexually harassing, religiously harassing,
defamatory/slanderous/libelous messages to and about me on
Holysmoke, a public and international conference. After attempts to
reach the Moderator of Holysmoke failed, I contacted the sysop of
the BBS system that the perp was posting from (and the sysops of
others sending such messages) requesting that they control these
persons sending the unsolicited, unwanted, harassing, defamatory
/slanderous/libelous messages and cause them to cease and desist.
One of these people sending such messages was himself a sysop and a
major hub on Fidonet who retaliated by contacting my sysops to get
my access cut.

The perp contacted the new moderator of the Abortion conference for
help; and that moderator sent false information to the sysop of the
perp intended to convice the sysop that I was the person in the
wrong. That sysop, who was also one of my sysops, then cut my
access to his board; and presumably without controlling the perp.
In fact, that sysop did a trace to determine what my ISP was for
telnetting to his board and then published that information in the
Holysmoke conference, presumably to enable some of the more vicious
posters in that conference to harass me further.

The messages I get from the sysops, (one in particular) is that he
and the other posters have the right to say whatever they want to
say and send it in messages to me any time they want and that I have
to be a captive audience for such messages. That is to say that
they have every right to send me messages (even after I demand that
they cease and desist) containing defamatory/slanderous/libelous
accusations that I have sex with dogs, that I suck ****, and similar
and more vulgar accusations together with blasphemous and horrible
things said about my Lord Jesus Christ, His Mother, Catholics and
Christians in general.

I think my sysop, Jim Henry is an upright guy; but I also think the
present organization of Fidonet leaves him little choice about
backing up one of his subscribers against the group of cyber-bullies
that presently roam Fido-Net.........some of them sysops themselves.
I went to the sysops of the perps and even advised them of the law
of the matter with the result that two of them refused to act, one
of them asserted his right to do whatever he wanted and one of them
booted me from his bulletin board.

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The "death rattles" of Fidonet have been in the air for quite some
time; and I hardly think that such gross, manifest unfairness is
going to help Fidonet survive. Do I WANT to sue sysops, FidoNet and
other people? Certainly not! I think FidoNet serves a very useful
purpose in cyberspace; and I think there are very many talented and
dedicated people serving FidoNet. One FidoNet person who responded
quickly to my request for help was Fane; and I think that if all of
Fidonets members conducted themselves as he did, Fidonet's chances
of survival would be greatly enhanced.

I am not the kind of person who will sit back and send me
emails/messages posts which contain the line "[email protected]"
or other malicious insults to my religion. Sure, you arguably might
have the right to say that in public when nobody is around; or when
someone is around who doesn't object. However, in the face of
repeated objection you have no right to force me to be a captive
audience for your awful posts or your defamation/slander/libel or
harassment.

Fidonet, this is the writing on the wall. I thank the sysops and
posters who supported me in this matter; and I sincerely hope that
someone in Fidonet might take this message to heart. I would
respectfully remind all of you sysops of a major rule of Fidonet:
1.2.1.1 (Users): The sysop is responsible for the actions of any
user when they affect the rest of Fidonet. (If a user is annoying,
the sysop is annoying.) Any traffic entering FidoNet via a given
node, if not from the sysop, is considered to be from a user and is
the responsibility of the sysop. (See section 2.1.3).

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What are ya gonna do?!?
Is It Dying?
Frank Vest, 1:124/6308.1

Ok folks. Y2K has come and gone. It's time to move onward and
upward. I must admit to some concern regarding Y2K. I wondered if my
system would survive and how many, if any, of the other Fidonet
Nodes would survive. As it turned out, I made it and many more as
well.

Ok, so what?

I'll tell ya!

Since I survived and Fidonet survived, it's time to get Fidonet into
the 21st century. Yeah, I know that the 21st century doesn't start
for another year, but that doesn't matter to me and shouldn't to
you. Darrell Salter wrote a "thoughts" article in one Fidonews. I
respect Darrell and agree with some of what he said. We will let
Fidonet die if we don't do something. Darrell is after the internet
side and changes to P4. I applaud him for that. Me, I want the other
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side. Telnet is fine. I have no problems with those that want to go
that route. I just like the dial up idea. P4 works for me and that's
fine. If it changes, I'll deal with that as well. Heck, I'm easy.
(did I say that? :-)

So, where does that leave us and what the heck are you talking
about?

Simple. Promote Fidonet. I don't really care how, just as long as
it's positive. I've heard all the negative I care to. It's time to
go positive.

Ok, How do we promote Fidonet?

Well, we could all take out ads and spend lots of money on
commercials and stuff like that...... Hmmm, I guess not. :) This is
a hobby and, as such, most of us don't have or aren't willing to
spend lots of money promoting. So what do we do?

Geesh! Here's a road map. :)

1. Talk about your BBs to friends or other people you get into idle
conversation with.
a. If you're not a Sysop, do the same thing about the BBS(s) that
you like.

2. Are you on the Internet? Gotta web page?
a. Put a small page up for your BBS, or add a page on your site.
b. Plug your BBS in the appropriate Newsgroups.
1. Don't like Newsgroups? Don't read them! Just post to them. :)
(do you think the spammers read the groups they post to? :)

3. You're not a Sysop but have a web page?
a. Put a link to your favorite BBS' page or to a BBS site.

4. You're at your favorite computer store. Ask the manager if you
can put some fliers in the store with BBS numbers and "how to
connect" information. (of course, you need to print some fliers.
:)

I'm sure there are other ways to promote BBS' and Fidonet. These are
just some "off the top of my head thoughts".

In the "For What It's Worth area"

I put a small post in the "general" newsgroup for my area
(Dallas/Ft. Worth) and snagged three people off the web. One left me
a nice note that read, <paraphrased> I thought that all the BBS' in
DFW were gone. Now, wasn't that a kick. :) The ad wasn't fancy, big
or anything like that. The whole post was as follows:

- start

Collin Country Station BBS is open and waiting for new Users. We
have Message areas, Games and other things of interest.

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Dallas Metro Number is 972-562-8064

Don't know what a BBS is? Check out the Web Page at
http://texoma.net/~flv

There is more out there that the Internet and AOL

- end

I'm gonna pull BBS'ing and Fidonet back into the light. You can do
what you will. If Fidonet and BBS'ing die, it won't be from lack of
effort on my part. What are you going to do?!?

Oh yeah! If you don't have a BBS in your area, start one. If you do
have a BBS, promote it. :)

Have fun. Call a BBS. Enjoy life!

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COLUMNS
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Makes you wonder...
Ol'WDB

"I've never understood why women love cats. Cats are independent,
they don't listen, they don't come in when you call, they like to
stay out all night, come home and expect to be fed and stroked,
then want to be left alone and sleep.

"In other words, every quality that women hate in a man, they love
in a cat."

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NET HUMOR
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Boy Becomes SomeBody

A man is waiting for wife to give birth. The doctor comes in and
informs the dad that his son was born without torso, arms or legs.
The son is just a head! But the dad loves his son and raises him as
well as he can, with love and compassion.

After 21 years, the son is old enough for his first drink. Dad takes
him to the bar and tearfully tells the son he is proud of him. Dad
orders up the biggest, strongest drink for his boy.

With all the bar patrons looking on curiously and the bartender
shaking his head in disbelief, the boy takes his first sip of
alcohol. Swoooop! A torso pops out!

The bar is dead silent; then bursts into a whoop of joy. The father,
shocked, begs his son to drink again. The patrons chant "Take
another drink"! The bartender still shakes his head in dismay.
Swoooop! Two arms pops out.

The bar goes wild. The father, crying and wailing, begs his son to
drink again. The patrons chant "Take another drink"! The bartender
ignores the whole affair. By now the boy is getting tipsy, and with
his new hands he reaches down, grabs his drink and guzzles the last
of it. Swoooop! Two legs pop out.

The bar is in chaos. The father falls to his knees and tearfully
thanks God.

The boy stands up on his new legs and stumbles to the left.... then
to the right.... right through the front door, into the street,
where a truck runs over him and kills him instantly.

The bar falls silent. The father moans in grief. The bartender sighs
and says, "That boy should have quit while he was a head."

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COMIX IN ASCII
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INTERNET INFO
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Region 19: <Vacant>
Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124
http://texoma.net/~flv
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Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/
Zone 1 Elist http://members.xoom.com/echolist/

Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
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! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
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Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

Zone 4:
Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
(Chinese)

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
time between when the message is received, and when it is
sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

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v-email flag [email protected]
| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP | aDSL,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | DS-3,5| $5/$15 mo
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
271/140 @ Tom Barstow | UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
2624/306 @ David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/2 @ [email protected] | UUE | 28.8 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
284/800 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/626 | Filip Ruymen | Binkp, UUE | 128K+ | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 4
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c

--
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks

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Fidonet oriented news servers

news.osirusoft.com
news.tardis.net

Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
irc.isonline.com
irc.killaz-r-us.com
irc.korombos.org

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Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
Joe Jared, 1:103/301, [email protected], and
complaints to [email protected] .

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