F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 43 25 Oct 1999

F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 43 25 Oct 1999
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Contributions ............................................ 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2
Joke from Andrei Fomenk .................................. 2
"via Internet" suggestion by Joe Hillebrandt ............. 2
Fido is Fun and a Web of Intrigue ........................ 3
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 4
On the Subject of Beer ................................... 4
IP Nodes And The Nodelist ................................ 5
Beating on the ThomToms .................................. 7
4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 9
The Name of Ghandi ....................................... 9
5. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 10
Hallowe'en Cows .......................................... 10
6. NOTICES .................................................. 11
Future History ........................................... 11
7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 12
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 12
Fidonet Via Internet Hubs ................................ 13
8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 16
Masthead ................................................. 16
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EDITORIAL
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Contributions

Fidonews won't begin with a hard-hitting editorial this week. The
usualy muckraking has taken a back seat to a higher priority. I had
lots of contributions, and I wanted to make sure to say "Thanks."
Take a look through the issue and see if you don't agree that it's
richer for the variety of input.

I'm hoping this idea catches on...

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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NOTE: This Message was originally addressed to mbox BBS from Andrei
Fomenko and was forwarded to Fidonews by John Hentsch
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Well, It's just a test to write to another zone (#1 from #2)
and a humorous thing too. I hope you like it. May be you'll post it.
OR NOT! :-)

A plane folls down. People inside of the plane are worried.
The Stuardess says: "If one man jump out of the plane we won't foll
down and everybody will survive..." There was an American citizen.
He told I'll resque all of ya! Gimme whisky!" He drank it and beeing
shaky jumped out shouting "FOR AMERICA!".... The plane kept folling
down:-(

There was a Franch man. He told: "OK, I'll resque all of
you! Give me wine." He drank a LOT OF wine and jumped out shouting
"FOR FRANCE!!"... But the plane still kept folling dawn :~~-(

There was a Russian man. He told: "Hey! I'll resque all of
you. Where is my Russian vodka?" He drank two bottles and shouting
"For Africa" pushed out two black people out.....

I hope you liked it.
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Ed: But is it politically correct? :)

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"via Internet" suggestion by Joe Hillebrandt

Email originally to Joe Jared
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Joe,

First, I'd like to thank you for helping Doug with the Fidonews
stuff. As a reader (and habitual lurker), I want you to know that
your efforts are appreciated, and read as well!

I have an observation and suggestion that I would like to share with
you, for action (or not!) as you see fit.

Each week, we receive a listing of those kind individuals who make
the Fido echomail feeds available via the internet. The list
includes node numbers, names, connection details, and the price of
the service. The one item it does not include is an internet EMail
address to contact these indiviuals for more information. While one
could always crashmail (or netmail) a message to them, it would seem
logical that someone providing Fido services via the internet should
also be contacted via the internet (through EMail).
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Would it be possible to include EMail addresses (where available)
for these individuals or companies listed?

Tis just a thought... for your consideration...

Again, thank you for all your efforts to keep Fido happy and
healthy!

Joe Hillebrandt
[email protected]
1:363/341
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Ed: Joe Jared responded to this, but , unfortunately, I lost the
copy I had. However, Joe responded even more eloquently by action.
Check out the "virtual email" addresses in Joe's Fidonet by Internet
Hubs column. These were actually introduced last week.

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Netmail from Steve Asher @ 3:800/432
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Hi Douglas!

I enjoyed the current FidoNews, esp the Dr Thom / Mr Hide
editorial, & used the lot for a log-on bulletin to show
users that Fido can be fun as well as a web of intrigue. :)

Cheers, Steve..
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ED: <sigh> I was hoping to give you an article which showed higher
purpose. I was hoping to write an article about how Mother Theresa
had signed on as a zone coordinator and had dedicated her zone to
the improvement of the intellectually impoverished. But she didn't
get around to it before she left her last office :(

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ARTICLES
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ON THE SUBJECT OF BEER
Thanks to Warren Bonner
[email protected]

It was the accepted practice in Babylon 4,000 years ago that for a
month after the wedding, the bride's father would supply his
son-in-law with all the mead he could drink. Mead is a honey beer,
and because their calendar was lunar based, this period was called
the "honey month" or what we know today as the "honeymoon".

Before thermometers were invented, brewers would dip a thumb or
finger into the mix to find the right temperature for adding yeast.
Too cold, and the yeast wouldn't grow. Too hot, and the yeast
would die. This thumb in the beer is where we get the phrase "rule
of thumb".

In English pubs, ale is ordered by pints and quarts. So in old
England, when customers got unruly, the bartender would yell at
them to mind their own pints and quarts and settle down. It's
where we get the phrase "mind your P's and Q's".

Beer was the reason the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock. It's
clear from the Mayflower's log that the crew didn't want to waste
beer looking for a better site. The log goes on to state that the
passengers "were hasted ashore and made to drink water that the
seamen might have the more beer".

After consuming a bucket or two of vibrant brew they called aul, or
ale, the Vikings would head fearlessly into battle often without
armor or even shirts. In fact, the term "berserk" means "bare shirt"
in Norse, and eventually took on the meaning of their wild battles.

In 1740, Admiral Vernon of the British fleet decided to water down
the rum. Needless to say, the sailors weren't too pleased and called
Admiral Vernon Old Grog, after the stiff wool grogram coats he wore.
The term "grog" soon began to mean the watered down drink itself.
When you were drunk on this grog, you were "groggy", a word still in
use today.

Many years ago in England, pub frequenters had a whistle baked into
the rim or handle of their ceramic cups. When they needed a refill,
they used the whistle to get some service. "Wet your whistle", is
the phrase inspired by this practice.

In the Middle Ages, "nunchion" was the word for liquid lunches. It
was a combination of the words "noon scheken", or noon drinking. In
those days, a large chunk of bread was called lunch. So if you ate
bread with your nunchion, you had what we still today call a
luncheon.

Things you didn't know about beer. <chuckle>
Ol'WDB
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IP Nodes And The Nodelist

By Jack Yates; N3613C
1:3613/1275

Last week I noticed that a new node had been added to FidoNet,
1:345/4; Michael Wendell. Michael's node is IP (internet presence)
only and cannot be called via Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS);
Net 345 is in Hawaii, The Net Coordinator (NC) is Todd Cochrane who
provides FidoNet echomail feeds to about 79 nodes and nets, and by
doing so is a definite asset to our network and our hobby. Michael
lives in Charlotte NC, within the service area of an active net.

Why, I questioned, did the N345C nodelist Michael in his net rather
than contact the N379C or the R18C; I sent a netmail to Mr. Cochrane
advising him that I had seen this addition to his net and stated
that it was my opinion that it was his duty as a Net Coordinator to
contact the proper NC and/or RC and advise those people that the
SysOp was in need of a node number rather than to list him in a net
thousands of miles from his residence. This message was CC'd to the
N379C and R18C AS an "FYI." and posted in the echo, Z1C.

Mr. Cochrane's response was timely and stated (in substance) that
"the SysOp had tried to find the NC but got no response; if someone
wanted to get on the ball and list him, no problem."

The scenario should end right here as the node is being listed in
the proper net, but it didn't; there are several members that feel
that a node should be able to be listed where s/he gets his/her
feed; traffic in Z1C has increased.

As someone's tagline states: "If you aren't catching flak, you are
not on target." I must have made a direct hit; this is further
evidenced by the actions of the RC's involved, and the Z1C.

The underlying question in a lot of this echomail is "Why didn't you
just leave this alone?"

Because it's my opinion that this exemption would be harmful to
FidoNet.

Other questions and statements have been, and my opinions are:

"Why can't he belong to that net as that's where he gets his feed."

I know that it's a thorn in the side of some of the membership but
we *do* have a Policy document and all Coordinators are obligated to
uphold it. Policy 4.07 says that the networks will be defined
geographically, not according to where the node gets its feed.

"He's IP-only, how can he get his Host-Routed Netmail (HRN) if he's
in a local net and the NC doesn't have IP capabilities."

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Don't be so sure that the NC does not, or that an NEC cannot connect
with an IP node. If either of these people are polling for mail via
Internet FTP, chances are they are capable of connecting.

If the NC has no internet account or is not capable of FTP or e-mail
transfers for any reason, the nodes HRN can be held at the RC-s node
for pickup or delivery via FTP. Failing all of this, the RC can, by
editing his route file, redirect the messages to the RC of the
Region the node's net is in, thence to the node's feed.

"What difference does it make what net he's in? It's an increase in
the membership. why make it difficult for him?"

What's difficult? The SysOp wants in, he can't find the Net
Coordinator but the Sysop who runs the hub knows who it is and knows
who the RC is as he has a nodelist; send a netmail to the NC or RC,
advise the SysOp of the NC's address and coach him, if necessary, on
how to submit the application.

"If we didn't have such narrow-minded people and all these rules, we
would see a turn-around in the decline in FidoNet."

First, I'm not narrow-minded; When I have to read P4, I am looking
for things that it does not say because if it isn't there, we are
not told that we can't do it. Unfortunately, we are told how we
must list our nodes.

Second, if we didn't have *any* rules, it would make little or no
difference in the decline in Fido; local BBSs, as most anyone will
tell you, are a thing of the past as the Internet beckons the users;
the nodes in Z1 are leaving primarly due to the lack of callers, not
because of the rules.

Third: Because Policy 4 says we cannot do this. There is a
minority of SysOps that would choose to ignore Policy and do as they
please, thinking that by doing so Policy 4 will be declared as
unworkable or unnecessary. I don't think that this will make Policy
go away.

Lets say that in your neighborhood there's a 4-way stop sign, the
East-west road is well traveled, the North-South roadway is
abandoned, there are barricades, grass grows up through the
pavement. You ae on the East-West road, you know the North-South
road is abandoned so you don't stop at the stop sign. Uh-oh! Blue
lights, pull over, citation.

Now tell the judge that the stop sign is not needed, too
restrictive, or outdated and see what it gets you. Or go to the
Department of Public Works, the governing body of the political
subdivision ad request the signs be removed and show them why they
are no longer necessary and it's quite likely that the signs will go
away.

At this writing, the Z1C is asking for input regarding a new Policy
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document; tell him what you want, substantiate your reasons for
wanting it and see if it will be considered. While you wait,
however, keep stopping at the stop sign.

"The IC has said that all geographical exemptions are pre-granted
pending someone proving that the exception would cause harm to the
net."

Yes, he did, but I feel that to allow an exemption for the reason
given would be harmful as, if allowed to stand, a precedent has been
established; "You allowed So-and-So to do it, you have to allow me
to do it as well." Soon the nodelist becomes fragmented with
listings scattered in all parts of the world as part of what were
once local nets.

What if we have nodes that feed from, say net 000, who are in other
Zones and have Zone 1 nodelistings? The NCs and RCs are responsible
for the smooth operation of there Networks/Regions; how can one
discharge that responsibility if there are nodes that are, say, in
India, Australia, or other, perhaps non-English-speaking or `English
as a second language' areas? I can almost hear the screams of (for
instance) the Zone 2 Coordinator the first time a Zone 1 NC lists a
node in Russia, or the Zone 3 Coordinator, should I list my point in
Queensland as a member of net 3613, near Columbus, Georgia, USA, not
to mention the howls of anguish from my RC if I were to do so.

I think a better method of accomodating IP-only nodes already exists
under the auspices of the Zone Coordinator who has listed several in
the 1:1/3000 block of the nodelist. There may be other workable
options that can be implemented that don't conflict with current
Policy. I urge those of the membership who are more aware than I am
of the features and confines of IP-only nodes to work out a
reasonable solution. Until then, I suggest that the *Cs accomodate
new nodes as speedily and painlessly as possible, but within the
bounds stated in Policy.

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Beating on the ThomToms
Doug Myers

I doubt that I've had more response to any editorial than I did from
last week's "Dr. Thom and Mr... hide?" While it's clear that I'd
continue to draw more interest towards Fidonews with my muckraking
than, say, Joe Jared would with his excellent work on the Internet
listings... I wanted to save the editorial this week for another
purpose. However, I feel that I owe readers a report on some of the
response I've gotten.

* * *

On the "more bad news for Thom" side if the discussion, some
observers have noted discrepancies in the ELISTing. ELADD.TXT is a
report circulated with the ELISTING, and details additions by
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ECHOBASE, the elist software. The discrepancy noted is that at
least some of the echoes acquired by Tom Knowles were listed in
ELADD.TXT without a moderator, while other echoes acquired or added
by other moderators were listed with that name.

Matt Bedynek has a working copy of ECHOBASE installed on his system,
and reports that he could only simulate this discrepancy by burning
the echoes manually, and feels from his experience that manual
intervention would have been necessary on Thom's system too.

* * *

Though Thom LaCosta has been mostly silent since the controversy
started, and has certainly not responded to anything written in
Fidonews so far, he did post in Z1_Coordinator on the subject. He
acknowledges that Tom Knowles accesses his sysop editor through a
doorway program, and acknowledges that this would give Tom access to
functions not normally available to users. However, he maintains
that there has been no such abuse, and that user access is his
business only.

* * *

Supporting Thom and Tom is one reader who prefers to remain
anonymous. He maintains that Thom and Tom are separate individuals,
though he wasn't free to tell how he knows that. This reader points
out that there is insufficient evidence presented to prove this, and
makes two observations:

1. That the echoes REC, Z1_BACKBONE, and ZEC have been turned over
to proper moderators upon polite request.

2. That there has been no harm in any of Thom LaCosta's "playing"
with the ELIST, even if any of the allegations are true. Certainly
he has "played" less than his predecessor, Adrian Walker.

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NET HUMOR
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The Name of Ghandi
Thanks to Ruth Argust
1:2404/201

Mahatma Ghandi walked barefoot everywhere, to the point that his
feet became quite thick and hard. He also was quite a spiritual
person. Even when he was not on a hunger strike, he did not eat
much and became quite thin and frail. Furthermore, due to his diet,
he wound up with very bad breath. Therefore: he came to be known as
a.................

"Super calloused fragile mystic plagued with halitosis."

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COMIX IN ASCII
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Hallowe'en
Cows... (___)
(o o)
__\_/__ (__)
//^^*^^\ _____| oo |
/ * \ / |
/ | * | \ / |
\ |=====| / /____________|
"|_____|" ^^ ^^
| | | Cow dressed up
| | | as ghost
|_|_|
^ ^
COWNT

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NOTICES
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Future History

26 Oct 1999
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.

31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

21 Sep 2000
10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)

1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
Last update: Oct 8, 1999

FidoNet
Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
ftp://sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
WWW sources: http://travel.to/fidonet/
FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
General: http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
List server: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion

Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm
Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
Region 14:
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19
Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124
http://texoma.net/~flv
Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/
Zone 1 Elist http://members.xoom.com/echolist/

Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
Region 47: http://www.autostop.lt (Lithuanian)
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
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Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) (No netscape)

Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

Zone 4:
Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
(Chinese)
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Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
Joe Jared, 1:103/301, [email protected], and
complaints to [email protected] .

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Last Updated: 10/11/1999

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

A new feature has been added to this list.

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

v-email flag [email protected]
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | T1? | $??/$10
12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP | aDSL | n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP | aDSL | $5/$15 mo.
106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | 64k | $5/mo
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP | T3 | $5/$16
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkD,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
270/101 @ George Peace | FTP | 6mbps | $20mo.
271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c
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280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
345/0 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $10/mo
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
2424/101 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1 | n/c
2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+ | n/c
2624/306 @ D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3639/93 | Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP | 128K+ | n/c
3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
3803/1 @ Ben Ritchey | UUE | 56k | n/c
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
23/999 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | ??? | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/626 | Filip Ruymen | Binkp, UUE | 128K+ | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c

301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | ??? | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 3
633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

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Zone 4
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
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--
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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FIDONEWS MASTHEAD

Fidonews Staff:
Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, [email protected]
Webmaster: Jim Barchuk, [email protected]
Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, [email protected]
(Fido Via Internet Hubs column)
Editors Emeriti: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg,
Henk Wolsink

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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
FidoNews and/or the Editor.

Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
Copyright (C) 1999 Douglas Myers. All rights reserved. Duplication
and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For
use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or
the Editor.

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OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor by file-request, or
from various sites in FidoNet and the Internet.

STAR SOURCE for all past issues:
Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from:

ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/

Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
for that year's issues. The total set is currently about 13 Megs.

INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:

http://www.fidonews.org
ftp://ftp.irvbbs.com/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/Fidonet/Fidonews

And in non-English formats via:

http://www.fidonet.pp.se/sfnews (Swedish)
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You may retrieve current and previous Issues of FidoNews via FTPMail
by sending email to:

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with a Subject line of: help

FTPMail will immediately send a reply containing details and
instructions. When you actually make a file request, FTPMail will
respond in three stages. You find a link for this process on
http://www.fidonews.org/ftpmail/.

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You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at:

http://www.fidonews.org

and http://www.fidonet.dynip.com/public/fidonews/default.htm

and in the FIDONEWS echo.

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SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication
in FidoNews. In general, send your articles in ASCII (text) format
via netmail or email to the addresses listed above for the editor.
The exact article submission requirements for the Fidonews software
are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC, available from most Fidonet
hubs. However, you should concentrate on what you wish to say, as
the editor will normally take care of the technical requirements.

"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141,
and are used with permission.

"Disagreement is actually necessary,
or we'd all have to get in fights
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or something to amuse ourselves
and create the requisite chaos."
-Tom Jennings

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