F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 34 23 August 1999

F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 34 23 August 1999
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. ARTICLES ................................................. 2
Region 28 going to change structure ...................... 2
Hot echo right now! ...................................... 3
3. COLUMNS .................................................. 6
FidoNet via Internet hubs ................................ 6
4. NOTICES .................................................. 8
Future History ........................................... 8
5. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 9
6. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 12
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,

Well, it's been a week for all sort of problems and my heart goes out
to those who lost a love one in Turkey. That was a bad one last
Tuesday.

Hope you guys will make it on the border between Mexico and the USA,
as that tornado does not sound so good. Nevermind what is happening
in Hong Kong.

Boy-o-boy, it certainly has been one week of disasters. And it looks
like FidoNet is not being singled out neither. See whats below in
store for R28 in Zone 2. Well whatever, good luck.

Enjoy,

PS. Only received one application for the editorship. ;-(

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ARTICLES
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Structure change for Region 28
by Jan Vermeulen, 2:28/0

During these last days, the nodes of Region 28 have been receiving
notice from their RC informing them that their node number is due
to change amd that the region's current 10 networks containing
40 hubs and 355 sysops will be reduced to one single network.

The process will take some 24 months, and utter care is being taken
that no sysop will be compelled to leave FidoNet for reasons of a
clerical nature.

Region 28 has a history of geographically overlapping nets based on
different echomail distribution structures and personal dislikes
between coordinators.

As of May last, existing echomail distribution systems follow the
same rules and conditions so there is no reason any more for a
distinction between nets on that basis. And personal dislikes
between coordinators are no reason at all to have separate nets.

The structure change that happened in 1993 in R24 has shown about all
flaws that can make such an operation a sheer disaster: instant loss
of the old node number, issue of new node numbers to sysops on holy-
day, coordinators imposing their own views even contradictory to the
purpose of the operation, and squaring old accounts with disliked
fellow coordinators.

That is why the operation needs to take a long time in order to
ensure a secrey and easy transition: existing node numbers will
remain in use as long a needed.

With the exception of one net, all network lists will be frozen, i.e.
that no new nodes can be added to those lists and no node number
changes will be possible.

Current NCs can remain in office as keepers of their frozen network
list, and take care of their correctness, if they wish to do so.

Nodes may link to any hub of their choice; hubs will take care of
echomail and netmail for the nodes linked to them. Net numbers of
noides and hubs may differ, but in such cases both the node and the
hub will be allocated akas in the 'non-frozen' network.

Hub nodes will be under the obligation to accept new nodes as well as
the corresponding node number in the 'non-frozen' network.

New nodes, if any, can only get a node number in the 'non-frozen'
network.

All nodes will be advised to change into the 'non-frozen' network as
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soon as they can without problems (points, echomail akas). Ideally,
the operation should be completed in two years' time.

Once the transition has completed, there will be elections for the RC
and NC positions.

The plan has been reviewed by the ZC/2, who has also been requested
to allocate the 'non-frozen' network's number and select the NC of
that net. His decision follows:

On: Mon 9 Aug 1999 11:37 (Rcvd: Tue 10 Aug 1999 21:17)
By: Ward Dossche Many Glacier 2:292/854
To: Jan Vermeulen 2:280/100
Re: R28
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Hello Jan,

I have reviewed your long-term development-plan for R28 and hereby
approve it.

It seems logical to me at this moment to designate 280 as the unique
net for the future, and not something new, because it is an already
operating net so there is continuity.

It seems logical in order to oversee the future development of R28
that you fill the NC280 seat yourself, or your possible successor
should you vacate the RC28-office, until such a time when the
operation has been completed.

At that time an NC-election as per NC_ELECT would be called for I
think.

Have a nice day,

\x/ard Dossche
ZC/2

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HOT ECHO RIGHT NOW!

Hey folks, I recently was asked to take over an echo that was
floundering who had lost its moderator and the substitute moderator
just didn't have the time to devote to the echo. I would like to
repost the message I got to post in there tonight just 12 days after
I took over the echo.

Just note the echo started with 5 messages for the 1st week of August
and we raised it to 22 for the 1st week I took over but this past 3
days we have had as many as 62 messages in one day (YESTERDAY) And
the lowest was 32 for Tuesday. I don't have Sunday and Mondays stats
but the weekly stats will be posted on Sunday for all to see. :)

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So if you're interested in an echo that has that down home feeling
where you can grab a cup of coffee and just sit around chatting about
the weather or read a few jokes or stories then join us TODAY!!!

AREAFIX COFFEE_KLATSCH NOW!

COFFEE_KLATSCH FIDO
Msg : 184 Written : 08/20/1999 3:36am
>From : BOBBY QUEEN Status :
To : ALL
Subj : Stats so far!

Howdy All!

Okay I have kept up with the stats since the week I took over this
echo. Here they are and I especially want you to notice the past 3
days. :)

I took over on 8/07 so only 1 days worth was in this first week.

EchoMail Traffic (continued)
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Period: 1999-08-02 to 1999-08-08

AREA NAME TOTAL AVERAGE DUPES MAX/DAY MIN/DAY TRAFFIC
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COFFEE_KLATSCH 5 0 0 2 0 0.03%

1st real week and we're up to 22 messages with an average of 3 per
day with a maximum of 5 per day but we still had at least 1 day with
0 because the minimum per day was 0. :(

EchoMail Traffic (continued)
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Period: 1999-08-09 to 1999-08-15

AREA NAME TOTAL AVERAGE DUPES MAX/DAY MIN/DAY TRAFFIC
===================== ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= =======
COFFEE_KLATSCH 22 3 0 5 0 0.14%

Now the past 3 days.

EchoMail Traffic
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Period: 1999-08-17 to 1999-08-17

AREA NAME TOTAL AVERAGE DUPES MAX/DAY MIN/DAY TRAFFIC
===================== ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= =======
COFFEE_KLATSCH 32 32 0 32 32 1.37%

Just one day and we had 32 messages. :)

EchoMail Traffic
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Period: 1999-08-18 to 1999-08-18

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AREA NAME TOTAL AVERAGE DUPES MAX/DAY MIN/DAY TRAFFIC
===================== ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= =======
COFFEE_KLATSCH 52 52 0 52 52 1.59%

WOW Wednesday we had 52 messages. :) Things are really starting to
move now.

EchoMail Traffic
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Period: 1999-08-19 to 1999-08-19

AREA NAME TOTAL AVERAGE DUPES MAX/DAY MIN/DAY TRAFFIC
===================== ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= =======
COFFEE_KLATSCH 62 62 0 62 62 2.40%

I don't believe it! Thursday and we had 62 messages! :) I doubt if
we can top that Friday and Saturday but I can't wait to see the 2nd
week total. Here is 146 in just the past 3 days. :) Keep up the
good work and I'll keep trying to keep things jumping and adding in
all sorts of jokes and stories I find.

Bobby Queen

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COLUMNS
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
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Zone 1 |
10/3 | Brenda Donovabn | FTP,UUE,BinkP | T1? | $??/$10
12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
103/301 | Joe Jared | BinkP | aDSL | n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
106/1 | Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | 64k | $5/mo
107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c
140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c
275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $10/mo
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c
2424/101 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| ??? | n/c
2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 | David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+ | n/c
2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
23/999 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | ??? | n/c
221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
252/300 | Sean Rima | BinkP, UUE, FTP| 128k | n/c
254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c
284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | ??? | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 | Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
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469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 | Barry Blackford | BinkP | ??? | n/c

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Zone 4
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c

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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks

Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
Joe Jared, 1:103/301, [email protected], and
complaints to [email protected] .

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NOTICES
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Future History

10 Sep 1999
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.

26 Oct 1999
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.

31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

21 Sep 2000
10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)

1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.

FidoNet:

Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
FTSC page http://www.ftsc.org/
Echomail [pending]
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
List servers:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion

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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org

Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm

Net 264: http://www.net264.org/

Region 14:

Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/

Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/

Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19

Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/

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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org

Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido (English/German)

Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/

Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)

Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)

Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)

Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/

Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)

Region 42: http://www.fido.cz

Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

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Zone 4:

Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org

Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)

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Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.

TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.

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