F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 20 17 May 1999

F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 20 17 May 1999
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2
Z1C Election - Arguing with Success ...................... 2
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 4
FidoNet Zone One Election ................................ 4
ECHO TALK - BBSes on the Internet ........................ 8
4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 11
The Queen's English ...................................... 11
5. NOTICES .................................................. 12
6. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................................. 13
Latest Greatest Software Versions ........................ 13
7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 18
8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 22
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,

So, the Z1C election process is starting soon - jolly good show.
About time something was done.

But what is happening with our IC lately? Have not seen/heard/read
anything from him for ages. Is he still around or? Anyone care to
advice us?

I must say, it's very strange that he does not even say 'boe' or
at least say something to convince those at large he is alive.

Enjoy,

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GUEST EDITORIAL
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Z1C Election - Arguing with Success

Arguing with Success
The Z1C Election
Douglas Myers, 1:270/720
[email protected]

Gee... just when I thought the Z1C election was going well, I'm
hearing complaints that it's degenerated into pointless bickering.
This bickering, I'm told, is the reason there shouldn't be public
elections on Fidonet. Just to be contrary, I'd like to argue that
the bickering is exactly why we should hold these elections as a
regular feature.

The Benefits of Bickering:

1. So long as there's bickering going on, it makes lie of the
argument that the sysops of Fidonet don't care.

2. Fidonet brings bickering to a high art. The early rounds of
bickering in the Z1_ELECTION echo were started by Andrea Santos, who
is probably the most qualified bickerer Fidonet has to offer.
Andrea's posting is normally responsible and literate, giving her a
high degree of personal credibility which is difficult to dismiss.
Moreover, she's active as a Network Coordinator of the South Florida
Net, so it's difficult to dismiss her as a non-contributor. And
she's been persistent and focused in her questions: who decided
that the voting for Z1C will be determined by a secret RC only vote.
She can't be ignored, and she's been getting answers.

3. Bickering has brought the RCs out of the woodwork and into the
public echoes. A few short weeks ago, I was complaining here that
the Z1C election didn't seem to be happening. Though I think that
Andrea's questions were more effective than my own editorial in
bringing about action... the RC's did act. Now there's a timetable,
a set of procedures, and some of the RCs are even posting publicly
about the election.

4. The RCs are bickering back. I list this as an advantage because
of the insight it brings for those of us who would know the folks
charged with running Fidonet.

5. The bickering has actually brought about personal commitments
on the part of the RCs to conduct an open and honest election beyond
the bare requirements of either P4 or the stated election rules.

6. The bickering has caused us all to rethink some of our cherished
notions: should the ZC answer all the mail addressed to him, how
should the RCs represent their regions, what is the quality of a
person who would be ZC, how important is the ZC position to the NC's
and end nodes...
FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 3 17 May 1999

The Z1C election is going well. No one is getting exactly what they
want, folks are noisy and it promises to get even noisier. Ross
Cassell is saturating us with the same old message in multiple
conferences. All is well :)

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ARTICLES
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Fidonet Zone One Coordinator Election
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This process will consist of five phases..

Phase 1: Nomination
Phase 2: Discussion
Phase 3: Regional Discussions
Phase 4: Voting By RCC
Phase 5: Installation of new ZC1

[ Phase 1 - Nominations ]

* When

From 0000 hrs On 05/30/1999

To 2359 hrs on 06/12/1999

All times EDT

* Which Echo

Z1_ELECTION.. All nominations to be made publicly.

* Who may run for ZC1.

Any Fidonet Sysop In Zone One who is listed in NODELIST.141.

* Who may not run for ZC1.

Myself (election coordinator)

Any sysop not physically located in Zone One or not listed in
NODELIST.141.

* Candidate qualifications.

Candidates to be considered for the ZC1 position, should:

[1] Possess good people/communication skills and be fair and open
minded towards a wide and diverse zonal audience.

[2] Possess a working knowledge and understanding of Fidonet Policy
v4.07.

[3] 'HAVE' the time or be able to set aside time in order to perform
the duties required of the position. If the candidate is out of
town a lot due to professional or personal obligations, then
this candidate may want to reconsider said candidacy.

FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 5 17 May 1999

* Who may nominate.

Any Zone One sysop who is in the nodelist as of NODELIST.141.

Each sysop may nominate only one individual including themselves.

* Process.

[1] For a nominee to be considered a valid ZC1 candidate s/he must
meet the criteria outlined for candidates.

[2] Nominations will consist of three phases:

[A] Initial and qualifying nomination, either by themselves or
by another sysop who is qualified to nominate.

[B] A seconded nomination by another qualified sysop.

[C] Upon successful first and seconded nominations, the nominee
must then 'accept' the nomination.

[3] Nominations are valid if made and accepted between 12:00am on
the start of the nomination phase and 11:59pm on the end of the
nomination phase, all times Eastern.

[ Phase 2 - Discussions ]

* When

From 0000 hrs On 06/13/1999

To 2359 hrs on 06/26/1999

All times EDT

* Discussion Phase.

The discussion phase will be conducted publicly in the Z1_ELECTION
echo, All interested sysops are urged to partake and solicit answers
from the pool of available candidates garnered during the nomination
phase.

Z1_ELECTION will be moderated by Joe Jared, he will be charged with
keeping the discussions on a civil level and he will not tolerate
flaming, spamming or any other behavior in which the process is
disturbed or otherwise impeded.

The discussion phase is a process in which candidates can be called
upon (or can volunteer) to put forth or defend their positions or
philosophies on various Fidonet related issues. Their answers can be
used to assist you in determining which candidates have the fitness
to serve as ZC1.

Candidates should avoid at all costs the practice of slinging mud at
another candidate, if for no other reason than the preservation of
credibility.
FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 6 17 May 1999

Please be mindful that the candidates were nominated by those who
thought the nominee could benifit Fidonet. Furthermore the
candidates accepted said nominations because they think that they
can help Fidonet. Having said this, no candidate is setting out with
an agenda to destroy Fidonet or the world.. <g> Please leave these
types of accusatory innuendos or personality conflicts somewhere
else, they will not have a role in this election.

[ Phase 3 - Regional Discussions ]

* When

From 0000 hrs On 06/27/1999

To 2359 hrs on 07/03/1999

All times EDT

* Getting input to your RC.

This phase will involve you at the local net level informing your NC
as to whom you would like to see as ZC1 out of the pool of available
candidates based on personal preference and what information you
gathered from Phase 2. In turn your NC will take this information
and pass it onto your RC, who will then use this information to cast
the appropriate vote during Phase 4.

To avoid the appearance of improprieties, all discussions relating
to the election process either in this phase or phases 1 & 2, should
be conducted publicly. Only use netmail/email methods if time
constraints are evident and it would appear that echo lag would
prevent you from getting your preference to your NC on time.

[ Phase 4 - Voting Process ]

* When

From 0000 hrs On 07/04/1999

To 2359 hrs on 07/10/1999 (or earlier if 10 votes recorded prior)

All times EDT

* Voting By the RCC.

Voting on the available pool of candidates will be conducted by the
RCC in the privately distributed Z1REGCON echo.

[ Phase 5 - Installment ]

* Installing new ZC1.

The installment process of the new ZC1 will commence without delay
upon the announcement of the winner. The outgoing ZC1 will work with
the new one to transfer over control files, coordinate links changes
and bring him or her up tp speed on policy matters and procedures
FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 7 17 May 1999

associated with the position. The outgoing ZC1 will make sure the
incoming ZC1 is properly introduced to the ZCC and the Zone One RCC
as well as making sure s/he is linked to all appropriate admin
echoes and is properly echoing the Zone one admin echoes. As soon as
the outgoing ZC1 is confident that the incoming ZC1 has all the
tools and such to perform the position, the outgoing ZC1 will
install the incoming ZC1 into the nodelist and the incoming ZC1 will
immediately assume the duties and responsibilities of the position
upon the issuance of that nodelist update. The incoming ZC1's term
shall not begin until s/he is reflected as such in the nodelist.

[Technicalities]

* If only one candidate.

Goto Phase 5, sole nominee will win by acclamation.

* Voting protocol in phase 4.

Scenario 1 - two candidates:

A candidate must receive a simply majority of 50% + 1
of all votes cast to be declared a winner. If all 10
RC's cast a vote, a minimum majority would be 6 votes.
If any RC fails to cast a vote, then the minimum
majority will be calculated from the total votes
recorded.

In the event of a tie vote under this scenario, the
outgoing ZC1, shall cast the deciding vote in order
for a winner to be declared.

Scenario 2 - three or more candidates:

A candidate must receive the 50% + 1 votes as outlined
in scenario one. If one of these candidates does
receive a simple majority, we have a winner.

But for example if we have 3 candidates:

Candidate 1 receives 4
Candidate 2 receives 4
Candidate 3 receives 2

No single candidate received a majority vote.

Candidate 3 will be removed from the running, we will
then repeat phase 4 with only 2 candidates.

Scenario 3 - scenario 2 with a twist:

Same criteria as in scenario 2, but:

Candidate 1 received 4
Candidate 2 received 3
Candidate 3 received 3
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The outgoing ZC1 will cast a deciding vote for
candidate 2 or 3, then the candidate with the least
votes is dismissed, then scenario one is reached and
phase 4 repeated.

Scenario 4 - More than three candidates:

The spirit of scenarios 2 & 3 is applicable, if no
single candidate receives a majority, two candidates
with the most votes are singled out to reach scenario
one and phase 4 is repeated with the 2 surviving
candidates.

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ECHO TALK - BBSes on the Internet

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| Food for thought from Fido's echomail. |
| Purloined without permission by D Myers |
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Ed Williams presents a different view on the subject of BBSes on the
Internet. This is extracted from his message to Lynda Kendrick in
the echo FN_SYSOP.

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LK> Ed, I enjoyed reading your message about how we as BBS
LK> sysop's do have a way of joining the Internet with our BBS's
LK> ..But how do we do that? I am very interested!

Joining the Internet with our BBS's......ME? I would never propose
such a thing, for various reasons. A few of which I'll touch on
below.

Anyone who hitches their proverbial "Star" to the Internet is in for
a sad awakening in a few years. As communications systems become
more and more evolved, the phone systems will take on a considerable
appeal, and well the Internet will be your "junk mail" drawer again,
but I will grant you it will be a neat one.

The "traditional dial up" phone line will be around for quite some
time. The rates and way we do things will change dramatically I'm
sure. But the internet is what it is, and it's not a phone service.

I laugh at the memories now, of people complaining that for all it's
glory, windows 3.1 is just a shell for DOS.

Much the same thing can be said for what "people" are doing with the
internet. For all it's wonders, it's just a shell for the phone
companies. Once it makes that change over to an "independent"
system, well the world's going to see a huge improvement over the
internet.
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There's just too much wrong with it now, and the things wrong with
it for us BBS's are just not in the interests of those people
making the Internet. XML has promise for what us BBS'ers want, but
it's not quite the same, and it's applications are far from a menu
driven programming language.

While I do believe that the Internet is a wondrous place for
"artists, businesses, tech support, and scientific exchange", we
have polluted it with enough "Crap" that these gem's are
increasingly hard to find. All too often someone goes to the net to
find one thing, and ends up being distracted by half a dozen others.
Before he knows it, he's out of time, the kids are begging to be
tucked in, and life has passed him by.

It's not people's fault really. Heck even trying to find a tech
support answer on the net takes longer to find on the net (that's if
you know the address to look at) than it would to just call up their
phone support systems. But we foolishly believe the promise of
quick and easy tech support, and yet we wait for E-Mails 2-3 day's
out with our answer. I'd like to see anyone wait 2-3 day's on the
phone.

So as I was saying, it's not their fault, we as people have a
variety of things we find interesting, and the Internet can bring
bits and pieces of almost all of them at once. Say you're
interested in Jupiter, you could spend a year searching all of the
jupiter stuff and get no where. We foolishly believe that as long as
we look a little, we understand enough of the topic to satisfy our
interest. But we get half hazard information in bits and pieces
that never quite make sense, no one help's us to sort out really or
discusses with us, and keep looking or give up the search. We are
being molded to put up with crap.

BBS's though do not play that silly little game with our callers
minds. Not a bit. We keep to a single topic or two for our BBS's,
we have several people helping us keep track of the latest news,
people who meet, chat, write messages regularly, and more.

Instead of throwing "info" at people, we put them into "interest
communities". And who cares if a BBS doesn't have "Everything you
ever needed to know about subject A", someone, maybe you can get new
stuff, discuss it and share it with the same people who are not
being constantly distracted by the maze of "info bits" out there in
Interpolated.

Every Sysop who uses the Internet to run a BBS on, and does not
provide a "Dial up Connection" is a sysop with a constantly roving
clientele. Regardless of whether he runs a fine BBS or a sloppy
one. This may be interesting, but it is not why people call BBS's.

Beware the Borg, they have nifty technology, but they have no souls.

BBS's are wondrous things, which I predict will blossom over the
next few years, and as technology improves, people move farther and
farther out into the country side, and work at home becomes a larger
standard, and the service industry takes hold, that nearly everyone
FIDONEWS 16-20 Page 10 17 May 1999

will run a BBS of some type. But they'll probably settle for a
nifty "Phone Banner" menu for the most part.

I love technology, I love what it will do for us. But this internet
thing isn't where BBS's need to be getting "callers" from.
Advertise it there, use it to get software easily distributed to
call your BBS, put newsletters there so people can check it from any
computer quickly. But don't get users from the net, get them when
they're at home, on their own computer, and want to be on your
system.

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NET HUMOR
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The Queen's English (Author unknown)

Let's face it -- English is a crazy language. Thre is no egg
in eggplant nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple.
English muffins weren't invented in England or French fries in France.
Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are
meat.
We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes,
we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a
guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig. And why is it that
writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce and hammers
don't ham. If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of
booth beeth? One goose, two geese. So one moose, two meese?
Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one
amend, that you can comb thorugh annals of history but not a single
annal? If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one
of them, what do you call it? If teachers taught, why didn't preachers
praught? If a vegatarian eats vegtables, what does a humanitarian eat?
If you wrote a letter, perhaps you bote your tongue?
Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed
to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what language do people
recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and sent cargo
by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell? How can a slim
chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy
are opposites? How can overlook and oversee be opposites while a lot
and quite a few are alike? How can weather be hot as hell one day and
cold as hell another? Have you noticed that we talk about certain
things only when they are absent? Have you ever seen a horseful
carriage or a strapful gown? Met a sung hero or experienced requited
love? Have you ever run into someone who was combobulated, gruntled,
ruly or peccable? And where are those people who ARE spring chickens
or who ACTUALLY hurt a fly?
You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which
your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form
by filling it out and in which an alarm clock goes off by going on.
English was invented by people, not computeres, and it reflects the
creativity of the human race (which of course, isn't a race at all).
That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the
lights are out, they are invisible. And why, when I wind up my watch,
I start it, but when I wind up this essay, I end it.

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NOTICES
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Future History

4 Jul - 10 Jul 1999
Z1C Election process

24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

9 Jun 1999
Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.

10 Sep 1999
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.

26 Oct 1999
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.

31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

21 Sep 2000
10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)

1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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Latest Greatest Software Versions
by Peter E. Popovich, 1:228/158

Well, it has been quite a while. Been wondering if I should come
back. Guess I just did. <grin>

Everything is out of date. I've got a backlog, but while I catch
up on old mail, I also want to get new mail as well. So write me.

There's been some speculation about web page listings and e-mail
addresses for this list. I do plan to add them to the web version
of this list within the next couple of weeks. Please send them in.

Please note the new contact info:

Peter Popovich, 1:228/158
[email protected]
http://www.popovich.net/fido

Peter Popovich

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Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column

OS Platform :
Software package name :
Version :
Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. :
Freeware / Shareware / Commercial? :
Author / Support staff contact name :
Author / Support staff contact node :
Magic name (at the above-listed node) :
Internet e-mail address :
Web page :

Please include a sentence describing what the package does.

Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:228/158

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MS-DOS:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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Act-Up 4.6 G D Chris Gunn 1:15/55 ACT-UP
ALLFIX 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 ALLFIX
Announcer 1.12 O S Peter Karlsson 2:206/221 ANNOUNCE
BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOS_260.ZIP
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BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_DOS
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
CheckPnt 1.0a O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 CHECKPNT
FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FASTECHO
FastEcho/16 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FEX
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTD
FidoBBS (tm) 12u B S Ray Brown 1:1/117 FILES
FrontDoor 2.12 M S JoHo 2:201/330 FD
FrontDoor 2.20c M C JoHo 2:201/330 FDINFO
GEcho 1.00 T S Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Plus 1.11 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GED
GoldED/386 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEX
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
Imail 1.75 T S Michael McCabe 1:1/121 IMAIL
ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
InfoMail/86 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFOMAIL
InfoMail/386 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFO386
JD's CBV 1.4 O S John Dailey 1:363/277 CBV
Jelly-Bean 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY
Jelly-Bean/386 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY386
JMail-Hudson 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-H
JMail-Goldbase 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-G
MakePl 1.9 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MAKEPL
Marena 1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MARENA
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAX
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUE
McMail 1.0 M S Michael McCabe 1:1/148 MCMAIL
MDNDP 1.18 N S Bill Doyle 1:388/7 MDNDP
Msged 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41D.ZIP
Msged/386 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41X.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFD
NorthStar 3.31.29 B S A&B Darin 1:285/82 NSTAR
Opus CBCS 1.79 B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14 OPUS
O/T-Track 2.66 O S Peter Hampf 2:241/1090 OT
PcMerge 2.8 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
PlatinumXpress 1.3 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PX13TD.ZIP
QuickBBS 2.81 B S Ben Schollnick 1:2613/477 QUICKBBS
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR
RemoteAccess 2.50 B S Mark Lewis 1:3634/12 RA
Searchlight 4.5 B S Paul Casey 1:343/117 DEMO450.ZIP
Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT
Silver Xpress
Door 5.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 FILES
Reader 4.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 SXR44.ZIP
Spitfire 3.51 B S Mike Weaver 1:3670/3 SPITFIRE
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISH
StealTag UK 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_UK
StealTag NL 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_NL
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL
Telegard 3.02 B F Tim Strike 1:259/423 TELEGARD
Terminate 5.00 O S Bo Bendtsen 2:254/261 TERMINATE
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
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Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO
TosScan 1.01 T C JoHo 2:201/330 TSINFO
TransNet 1.00 G S Marc S. Ressl 4:904/72 TN100ALL.ZIP
TriBBS 11.0 B S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIBBS
TriDog 11.0 T F Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIDOG
TriToss 11.0 T S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRITOSS
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
WWIV 4.24a B S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIV
WWIVTOSS 1.36 T S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIVTOSS
xMail 2.00 T S Thorsten Franke 2:2448/53 XMAIL
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XRDOS

OS/2:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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ALLFIX/2 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 AFIXOS2
BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BOS2_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_OS2
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FE2
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLST
FleetStreet 1.21 O S Michael Hohner 2:2490/2520 FLEET
FP-OS/2 97-03-21 O F Mike Bilow 323/107 FPOS2
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXP
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUEP
Msged/2 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41O.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEF
PcMerge 2.3 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR2
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISHP
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL2
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO2
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XROS2

Windows (16-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
FrontDoor APX 1.12 P S Mats Wallin 2:201/329 FDAPXW

Windows (32-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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Argus 95/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 A9I
Argus NT/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ANI
BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
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Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BW32_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_W32
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTW
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXN
Msged/NT 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41W.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFW
PlatinumXpress 2.00 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PXW-INFO
Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAILNT
WinFOSSIL/95 1.12 r4 F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 WNFOSSIL.ZIP
WinFOSSIL/NT 1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 NTFOSSIL.ZIP

Unix:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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ifmail 2.12 M G Eugene Crosser 2:293/2219 IFMAIL
ifmail-tx ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX
ifmail-tx.rpm ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX.RPM
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK

Amiga:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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CrashMail 1.31 T X Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHMAIL
CrashTick 1.2 O F Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHTICK
DLG Pro BBOS 1.15 B C Holly Sullivan 1:202/720 DLGDEMO
GMS 1.1.85 M S Mirko Viviani 2:331/213 GMS
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
TrapDoor 1.86.b2 M S Maximilian Hantsch
2:310/6 TRAPDOOR
TrapToss 1.50 T S Rene Hexel 2:310/6 TRAPTOSS

Atari:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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ApplyList 1.00 N F Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH
BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2 M F Bill Scull 1:363/112 BINKLEY
BTNC 2.00 N G Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 BTNC
JetMail 0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker 2:2432/1101 JETMAIL
Semper 0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten 2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA

Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser,
C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will
be listed by the first match.

Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial,
X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source

Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:228/158

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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.

FidoNet:

Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
FTSC page http://www.ftsc.org/
Echomail [pending]
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti
List servers:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion

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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org

Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm

Net 264: http://www.net264.org/

Region 14:

Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/

Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/

Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19

Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/

Not sure where the following should be placed:

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/fido.html

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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org

ZEC2:
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/

Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)

Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/

Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb

Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)

Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)

Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)

Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr

Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)

Region 42: http://www.fido.cz

Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl

Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)
Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

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Zone 4:

Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

============

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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org

Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)

============

Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.

TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.

-----------oOo-------------

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c
1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | 64k | $5/mo.
1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c
1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c
1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr.
1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c
1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr.
1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr.
1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
2:335/535 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c
2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c
4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c
--
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
[I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet.
Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed.
Contact the system operators for details of which programs they have
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available.]

Compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, [email protected]
Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.

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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------

Editor: Henk Wolsink

Editors Emeriti: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg

"FidoNews Editor"
FidoNet 5:5/23
BBS +27-41-581-5913, 2400/9600/V34

more addresses:
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(Postal Service mailing address)
FidoNews Editor
P.O. Box 12325
Port Elizabeth,
6006
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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
FidoNews and/or the Editor.

Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
Copyright (C) 1999 Henk Wolsink. All rights reserved. Duplication
and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For
use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or
the Editor.

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OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or
file-request, or from various sites in FidoNet and the Internet.
PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request
FNEWS for the current month in one archive. Or file-request specific
back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSGnn.ZIP] for a
particular Issue. Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP
where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
current year [9], i.e., FNWSJAN9.ZIP for all the Issues from Jan 99.

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Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
1 - 16 for 1984 - 1999, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in
size from 48K to 1.4M.

INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:

http://www.fidonews.org
** http://www.fidonet.org/fidonews.htm
** ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.irvbbs.com/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/Fidonet/Fidonews

And in non-English formats via:

** http://www.hvc.ee/pats/fidonews (Estonian)
http://www.fidonet.pp.se/sfnews (Swedish)

** LINK HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED

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You may obtain an email subscription to FidoNews by sending email to:

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with a Subject line of: subscribe fnews-edist

and no message in the message body. To remove your name from the
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*

You may retrieve current and previous Issues of FidoNews via FTPMail
by sending email to:

[email protected]

with a Subject line of: help

and FTPMail will immediately send a reply containing details and
instructions. When you actually make a file request, FTPMail will
respond in three stages. You find a link for this process on
www.fidonews.org.

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You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at:

http://www.fidonews.org

and http://www.fidonet.dynip.com/public/fidonews/default.htm

and in the FIDONEWS echo.

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STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request -
Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from:

ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/

Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
for that year's issues. The total set is currently about 13 Megs.

=*=*=*=

The current week's FidoNews are now also available almost immediately
after publication on the FidoNews Editor homepage on the World Wide
Web at:

http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html

There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an
email link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over.

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SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews Editor, or file-requestable
from 5:5/23 [5:7104/2] as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". ALL Zone Coordinators
should have copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it.

"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141,
and are used with permission.

"Disagreement is actually necessary,
or we'd all have to get in fights
or something to amuse ourselves
and create the requisite chaos."
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