F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 14 12 April 1999

F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 14 12 April 1999
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Table of Contents
1. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 1
FidoCop - a netmail response ............................. 1
2. ARTICLES ................................................. 4
FidoCop and FidoRob ...................................... 4
3. NOTICES .................................................. 6
4. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................................. 7
Latest Greatest Software Versions ........................ 7
5. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 12
6. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 16
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GUEST EDITORIAL
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FidoCop - a netmail response
Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, [email protected]

I'd like to thank the readers of Fidonews who have seen fit to
correspond with me on the articles I write for Fidonews. It's
encouraging to find out there are more than six people reading, so I
try to reply to each message. I'd like to share this correspondence
with Amir Shabashvili of Russia concerning the article last week.
He disagrees with me, but he's especially polite about it, and
eloquent in presenting his own point of view.

----------- extract of a netmail reply to Mr. Shabashvili -----------

AS> I think I got you point. let me reply on only sentence from your
AS> excellent article:

DM> For Fidonet sysops to act against an individual who has
DM> possibly broken the law would essentially be an act of
DM> vigilantism, itself against the law.

AS> You talking in context of Andreas Klein's letter connected with
AS> Ward's decision on well-known there in 2:R50 conflict between FTN
AS> software developer and network member who illegally used mailer
AS> software (Ravel for Mac). (Just for info, Ravel isn't commercial
AS> or shareware soft, it is free, but licensed software. Ever more,
AS> there are 2 versions: first - absolutely free, with usial free
AS> license, and second (advanced), for using it you need to ask
AS> author's permission and receive (free!) key.)

You've got the context right. From what you describe, I'm doubly
surprised:

(1) Surprised that licensing got to be an issue with the user,
since he didn't have to pay any money to use the advanced version,
and

(2) That the developer would insist on licensing which he
essentially gives away anyway.

AS> As far as I know, author asked other side to stop unlicensed
AS> usage of his software and got in reply something like "go to
AS> hell", + some abuse lines in the local pointlist was placed. Do
AS> you think, it must be normal behavior (except abuse stuff)? I
AS> think not.

Many of the arguments in Fidonet seem driven more by testosterone
levels than by standards of behavior. This seems little different.

AS> I think, the normal would be to stop usage of unlicensed software
FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 2 12 Apr 1999

AS> and install free version. There are a lot of free FTN software
AS> appears in last the years, no problemo with that, ever for Mac
AS> (Mac is very exotic computer in 2:R50).

AS> Behavior like described above lead us to author's copywrite and
AS> local laws violation (remember,Policy4 told us "2.1.1 <...> and
AS> do not promote or participate in the distribution of pirated
AS> copyrighted software or other illegal behavior via FidoNet"), but
AS> as for me, moral aspect of the problem is more important.

I view the section of policy which you quote to mean that one
should not use Fido as a means of carrying on an illegal activity,
not as an excuse to use Fido as a club to enforce legality. The
legal issue is essentially between the user and the developer, and
uninvolved parties should not be required to enforce anything.

AS> Of course, we can't judje well, we are not professional lowyers,
AS> but we not talking about real life, we talking about virtual
AS> community, where FidoNet policy and common sence are widely used
AS> for any problem resolution. Why we can not use it in this case?
AS> Why we must call a police? Police can't excommunicate someone
AS> from FidoNet. Better I call my NC/RC:)

Police can't hang people either. Better you call your local
vigilante committee :)

Why is excommunicating someone from Fido the proper way to handle
software misuse? Should the software pirate's voice line be cut?
Should his children be expelled from school? Should his driving
privileges be revoked?

Problem resolution on Fido should be restricted to the actual
problems affecting Fido - not to resolve moral issues.

Certainly we owe software developers our respect and cooperation,
but the efforts such as file distribution networks which help
promote their efforts are sufficient. Acting as enforcers for
software licensing is going too far.

AS> I think, coordinators at any level must process formal policy
AS> complaints dealing with license violation. They must applied such
AS> complaints from software developers only, not from anyone, but
AS> they must.

Let me ask you a question: what should happen to coordinators who
don't deal with license violations? Should they be fired?
Excommunicated? Criminally prosecuted? Keep in mind that these
coordinators are volunteers who simply may not wish to devote the
time to all the good causes we could ask of them.

AS> It is _very_ important case for Russia, because of a lot of
AS> pirated CD's saled on every corner, and more than 90% of
AS> installed software isn't legal. In FidoNet too, not 90%, but a
FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 3 12 Apr 1999

AS> lot, using cracked software and fake keys is usial!

AS> We can't quickly change that. But, we must try.

Why must we try? I honestly respect your opinion concerning the
morality of using pirated software... but now we're getting into
what's sold in the street corners, far afield from what's being
done in my hobby. By virtue of my participation in Fidonet, have I
incurred an obligation to safeguard the financial interests of
those who write games for children or spreadsheets for bigger
children?

Do I someday get to the point where my obligations consume the time
I once freely gave to others in persuit of my hobby?

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ARTICLES
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FidoCop and FidoRob

Amir Shabashvili
2:5049/12, [email protected]

(This is reply on Douglas Myers 1:270/720 article named "FIDOCOP"
in the first April issue)

Dear Douglas!

I think I got you point. let me reply on only sentence from your
excellent article:
DM> For Fidonet sysops to act against and individual who has
DM> possibly broken the law would essentially be an act of
DM> vigilantism, itself against the law.

You talking in context of Andreas Klein's letter connected with
Ward's decision on well-known there in 2:R50 conflict beetween FTN
software developer and network member who illegally used mailer
software (Ravel for Mac). (Just for info, Ravel isn't commercial
or shareware soft, it is free, but licensed software. Ever more,
there are 2 versions: first - absolutely free, with usial free
license, and second (advanced), for using it you need to ask author's
permission and receive (free!) key.)

As far as I know, author asked other side to stop unlicensed usage of
his software and got in reply something like "go to hell", + some
abuse lines in the local pointlist was placed. Do you think, it must
be normal behavior (except abuse stuff)? I think not.

I think, the normal would be to stop usage of unlicensed software and
install free version. There are a lot of free FTN software appears in
last the years, no problemo with that, ever for Mac (Mac is very
exotic computer in 2:R50).

Behavior like described above lead us to author's copywrite and local
laws violation (remember,Policy4 told us "2.1.1 <...> and do not
promote or participate in the distribution of pirated copyrighted
software or other illegal behavior via FidoNet"), but as for me,
moral aspect of the problem is more important.

Of cource, we can't judje well, we are not professional lowyers, but
we not talking about real life, we talking about virtual community,
where FidoNet policy and common sence are widely used for any problem
resolution. Why we can not use it in this case? Why we must call a
police? Police can't excommunicate someone from FidoNet. Better I
call my NC/RC:)

I think, coordinators at any level must process formal policy
complaints dealing with license violation. They must applied such
complaints from software developers only, not from anyone, but they
FIDONEWS 16-15 Page 5 12 Apr 1999

must.

It is _very_ important case for Russia, because of a lot of pirated
CD's saled on every corner, and more than 90% of installed software
isn't legal. In FidoNet too, not 90%, but a lot, using cracked
software and fake keys is usial!

We can't quickly change that. But, we must try.

Best regards,

Amirko

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NOTICES
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Future History

12 May 1999
12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.

14 - 16 May 1999
V. BBachCon in Bleichenbach, Germany.
For further information see: www.bbachcon.de

24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

9 Jun 1999
Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.

10 Sep 1999
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.

26 Oct 1999
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.

31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

21 Sep 2000
10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)

1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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Latest Greatest Software Versions
by Peter E. Popovich, 1:228/158

Well, it has been quite a while. Been wondering if I should come
back. Guess I just did. <grin>

Everything is out of date. I've got a backlog, but while I catch
up on old mail, I also want to get new mail as well. So write me.

There's been some speculation about web page listings and e-mail
addresses for this list. I do plan to add them to the web version
of this list within the next couple of weeks. Please send them in.

Please note the new contact info:

Peter Popovich, 1:228/158
[email protected]
http://www.popovich.net/fido

Peter Popovich

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Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column

OS Platform :
Software package name :
Version :
Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. :
Freeware / Shareware / Commercial? :
Author / Support staff contact name :
Author / Support staff contact node :
Magic name (at the above-listed node) :
Internet e-mail address :
Web page :

Please include a sentence describing what the package does.

Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:228/158

-=- Snip -=-

MS-DOS:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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Act-Up 4.6 G D Chris Gunn 1:15/55 ACT-UP
ALLFIX 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 ALLFIX
Announcer 1.12 O S Peter Karlsson 2:206/221 ANNOUNCE
BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOS_260.ZIP
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BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_DOS
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
CheckPnt 1.0a O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 CHECKPNT
FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FASTECHO
FastEcho/16 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FEX
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTD
FidoBBS (tm) 12u B S Ray Brown 1:1/117 FILES
FrontDoor 2.12 M S JoHo 2:201/330 FD
FrontDoor 2.20c M C JoHo 2:201/330 FDINFO
GEcho 1.00 T S Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Plus 1.11 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GED
GoldED/386 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEX
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
Imail 1.75 T S Michael McCabe 1:1/121 IMAIL
ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
InfoMail/86 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFOMAIL
InfoMail/386 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFO386
InterEcho 1.19 T C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IEDEMO
InterMail 2.29k M C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IMDEMO
InterPCB 1.52 O S Peter Stewart 1:369/35 INTERPCB
IPNet 1.11 O S Michele Stewart 1:369/21 IPNET
JD's CBV 1.4 O S John Dailey 1:363/277 CBV
Jelly-Bean 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY
Jelly-Bean/386 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY386
JMail-Hudson 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-H
JMail-Goldbase 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-G
MakePl 1.9 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MAKEPL
Marena 1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MARENA
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAX
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUE
McMail 1.0 M S Michael McCabe 1:1/148 MCMAIL
MDNDP 1.18 N S Bill Doyle 1:388/7 MDNDP
Msged 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41D.ZIP
Msged/386 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41X.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFD
NorthStar 3.31.29 B S A&B Darin 1:285/82 NSTAR
Opus CBCS 1.79 B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14 OPUS
O/T-Track 2.66 O S Peter Hampf 2:241/1090 OT
PcMerge 2.8 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
PlatinumXpress 1.3 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PX13TD.ZIP
QuickBBS 2.81 B S Ben Schollnick 1:2613/477 QUICKBBS
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR
RemoteAccess 2.50 B S Mark Lewis 1:3634/12 RA
Searchlight 4.5 B S Paul Casey 1:343/117 DEMO450.ZIP
Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT
Silver Xpress
Door 5.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 FILES
Reader 4.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 SXR44.ZIP
Spitfire 3.51 B S Mike Weaver 1:3670/3 SPITFIRE
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISH
StealTag UK 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_UK
StealTag NL 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_NL
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T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL
Telegard 3.02 B F Tim Strike 1:259/423 TELEGARD
Terminate 5.00 O S Bo Bendtsen 2:254/261 TERMINATE
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO
TosScan 1.01 T C JoHo 2:201/330 TSINFO
TransNet 1.00 G S Marc S. Ressl 4:904/72 TN100ALL.ZIP
TriBBS 11.0 B S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIBBS
TriDog 11.0 T F Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIDOG
TriToss 11.0 T S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRITOSS
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
WWIV 4.24a B S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIV
WWIVTOSS 1.36 T S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIVTOSS
xMail 2.00 T S Thorsten Franke 2:2448/53 XMAIL
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XRDOS

OS/2:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ALLFIX/2 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 AFIXOS2
BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BOS2_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_OS2
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FE2
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLST
FleetStreet 1.21 O S Michael Hohner 2:2490/2520 FLEET
FP-OS/2 97-03-21 O F Mike Bilow 323/107 FPOS2
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXP
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUEP
Msged/2 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41O.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEF
PcMerge 2.3 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR2
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISHP
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL2
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO2
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XROS2

Windows (16-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
FrontDoor APX 1.12 P S Mats Wallin 2:201/329 FDAPXW

Windows (32-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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Argus 95/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 A9I
Argus NT/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ANI
BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BW32_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_W32
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTW
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXN
Msged/NT 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41W.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFW
PlatinumXpress 2.00 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PXW-INFO
Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAILNT
WinFOSSIL/95 1.12 r4 F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 WNFOSSIL.ZIP
WinFOSSIL/NT 1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 NTFOSSIL.ZIP

Unix:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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ifmail 2.12 M G Eugene Crosser 2:293/2219 IFMAIL
ifmail-tx ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX
ifmail-tx.rpm ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX.RPM
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK

Amiga:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
CrashMail 1.31 T X Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHMAIL
CrashTick 1.2 O F Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHTICK
DLG Pro BBOS 1.15 B C Holly Sullivan 1:202/720 DLGDEMO
GMS 1.1.85 M S Mirko Viviani 2:331/213 GMS
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
TrapDoor 1.86.b2 M S Maximilian Hantsch
2:310/6 TRAPDOOR
TrapToss 1.50 T S Rene Hexel 2:310/6 TRAPTOSS

Atari:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ApplyList 1.00 N F Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH
BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2 M F Bill Scull 1:363/112 BINKLEY
BTNC 2.00 N G Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 BTNC
JetMail 0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker 2:2432/1101 JETMAIL
Semper 0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten 2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA

Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser,
C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will
be listed by the first match.

Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial,
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X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source

Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:228/158

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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.

FidoNet:

Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
FTSC page http://www.ftsc.org/
Echomail [pending]
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti
List servers:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion

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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org

Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm

Net 264: http://www.net264.org/

Region 14:

Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/

Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/

Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19

Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/

Not sure where the following should be placed:

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/fido.html

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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org

ZEC2:
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/

Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)

Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/

Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb

Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)

Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)

Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)

Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr

Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)

Region 42: http://www.fido.cz

Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl

Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)

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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

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Zone 4:

Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
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Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)

============

Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.

TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.

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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $5/$15mo.
1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP,VMoT | 64k | $5/mo.
1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c
1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c
1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr.
1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c
1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr.
1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr.
1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
2:335/535 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c
2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c
4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c
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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
[I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet.
Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed.
Contact the system operators for details of which programs they have
available.]

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Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.

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