F I D O N E W S Volume 15, Number 50 14 December 1998

F I D O N E W S Volume 15, Number 50 14 December 1998
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2
the Tampering of the Elist ............................... 2
Announcing the newly backboned ENGLISH_TUTOR echo! ....... 3
New WWW server ........................................... 4
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 5
ECHOLADE - refreshing echomail ........................... 5
FTSC Administrator vote .................................. 6
FTSC Standing Member vote ................................ 7
Precedent - Must we do it all again? D. Myers ........... 9
4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 10
Student Bloopers ......................................... 10
5. NOTICES .................................................. 14
6. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 15
7. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 18
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,

Summer is approaching fast in this part of the world, with a
temperature of 22.5 degrees C outside at this time of the night.
And inside it's a cool 29 C.

Happy reading,

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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the Tampering of the Elist

by Bob Moravsik

Some of you may have read the drivel posted by Douglas Myers trying
to justify the tampering of Elist passwords. Most of his article
describes the world through the eyes of a person to argues that
reality is what he claims. There was no conspiracy to create a
trusteeship in FN_SYSOP. The issues was that the FN_SYSOP was held
in trust through three past moderators hence, its not a new concept.

The real issue (and only issue) is: "Do the Elist keeper resolve
disputes ?"
Douglas confuses the Elist keeper with a Fidonet position. Fidonet
positions are described in Fidonet's policy. The elist keeper is not
to be found. Bob Satti place Thom LaCosta in the nodelist as 1/21.
The position has no description or "powers". Yet LaCosta puffed up his
chest and began making up "policy". He resolved a dispute over an
elisting useing LaCostaPol. What's LaCostaPol ? Its this secret
set of rules that only Thom LaCosta knows. Whether Zorch or Rob is
the moderator is not the issue. The issue is the tampering with the
Elist passwords using these secret rules. Since LaCosta's special
number was given by Bob Satti any controversies should be resolved by
Satti. Remember, Satti could assign the 1/21 number to another and
POOFFFFFF ! Not LaCostaPol.

There are two sides to this issue.

1. Moderators "control" conferences and the elisting is their
property. This is not supported by any Fidonet policy or the laws
of any nation (Remember, Fidonet is international)

2. Moderators serve the participants.

If one takes the later then the elist password is seperate from the
moderator.

LaCosta the "tamperer" took it upon himself to resolve in favor of #1.
SHOULD HE HAVE RESOLVED ? I claim the Elist keeper should NOT get
involved in any disputes over the Elist. Twits like Douglas Myers
can't understand this simple issue and try to justify tampering with
the passwords on logic that very few people in Fidonet agree with
(less then 100% of the moderators) the concept that moderators own
conferences. Then don't. There is no policy, rule or law that states
this.

Without guidance from Satti (who has the power to extend Fidonet
policy), LaCosta should not have compromised the Elist security. THAT
IS THE ONLY ISSUE.
The moderatorship, trusteeship issues etc etc are only smokescreens to
justify the tampering.
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The elist should be secure. Tampering with the password once only
serves as justification for the second tampering, and the third.
Under what conditions you ask ? LaCostaPol of course.

I'm sure we will hear more drivel on its OK because __________ Zorch,
Satti, Moravsik etc etc etc..... Nope...without a firm method to
resolve disputes over elist issues, the elist keeper should NEVER
NEVER EVER tamper with the passwords.

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Announcing the newly backboned ENGLISH_TUTOR echo!

This new echo has been established to assist those who wish to improve
their command of the English language. I, the moderator, (Andy
Manninger 1:153/831 or [email protected]) encourage all sysops
whose users could benefit from this echo to carry it.
The ELIST describes ENGLISH_TUTOR as follows:

ENGLISH_TUTOR
English Tutoring for Students of the English Language
This echo should be of interest to those who wish to improve
their command of English, and to those who wish to act as
their tutors. Participants may submit short texts for
critique and discussion by literate English speakers in
English-speaking countries. Discussions of points of
grammar, usage, standard English and regionalisms are
welcome. Moderator can be e-mailed at [email protected]
Status: Active
Origin: Vancouver, British Columbia, Group: FIDO
Distribution: Z1 Backbone; Telnet: bbs.docsplace.org
Gateways:
Language:
# Nodes: N/A Volume: N/A Rules:
Flags:
Notes:
Moderators: Andy Manninger, 1:153/831, [email protected]

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* Original message addressed to: Editor. (5:5/23).
* Carbon copies sent to: Cindy Ingersoll (1:2623/71).

THE MAIL BOX BBS said in a message to ALL:

TMBB> TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
TMBB> to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.
TMBB> -----------oOo-------------

I am pleased to announce the availability of filebone and echomail
distribution services from 1:106/6018 via VMoTelnet or FTP.

Services are free to members of the TCRS CRP and HealthCareNet (Zone
60) Membership in the TCRS CRP is not restricted to Houston-area or
FIDONEWS 15-50 Page 4 14 Dec 1998

Net-106 members.
TCRS membership includes unlimited echomail/files, shell account and
web space on the home.tcrs.org Unix server, a POP3 email account, and
access to selected newsgroups.

Others are invited to contribute accordingly. :-)

I've sent this to both of you via NETMAIL, since it started looking
like a recruitment advertisement and I was concerned about it's
appropriateness for the NEWSCHAT echo.

If you feel it's appropriate to be posted in the NEWSCHAT echo or
published in the FidoNews, you have my consent. If you would like me
to resubmit the information in ARTSPEC format, I'll be happy to do
that if publication seems appropriate for the FidoNews.

TMBB>
TMBB> Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
TMBB>
> Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
> -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+--------

1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP,VMoT | 64K | $5/month

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this letter is part English and part Russian-through-English:

Eng: I assume there are many student in your community
and I want to invite all of them to new Web site: WWW.1800student.com
this is the place where students can see-buy their books directly to
each other.
this site is free.
I hope it would be helpful to all students.

If you agree with me - you can share this info with all members
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Rebiata, ja priglashau vsech vas posetit moi novyi Web site:
WWW.1800student.com.
eto mesto gde vi mojhete pomeniat uchebniki (na sharu).
poka.

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ARTICLES
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ECHOLADE - refreshing echomail

. -- -- -- -- -- ECHOLADE - -- -- -- -- .
| A refreshing extract from Fido's echoes |
| Purloined without permission by D Myers |
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Hans Mangold on the subject of the shrinking nodelist:
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AS> Will another year and the consistent loss of 40-50 nodes in
AS> Zone 1 every week turn a few heads?

Sure it will -- but, more important, will it make any difference to
the shrinking nodelist? Can I blame the RC, ZC or IC for the lack
of callers to my system? Heck, I might as well blame you, Clinton
and Santa Claus for the fact that BBS callers are staying away in
droves.

Andrea, there is little you, I, or anyone else can do at this point
in time with regards to the consolidation of the BBS scene. Like it
or not, it will take its course.

The key is: what will =emerge= after the consolidation? Send me $64
million in unmarked bills, and I'll send you the answer......

In the meantime, something to think about:

In most of Z1, unemployment is near or at historic lows. Not only
that, but today's work pressure is higher than ever before, and
overtime statistics are running near or at historic highs. Running
a successful BBS takes =time=, and, given the economic climate in
the States, time is presently a genuine luxury for many people.
Something has to give -- in most cases, it's the hobby that has to
give, =especially= when the sysop looks at his dismal caller logs at
the end of the day. :-(

I never forget -- almost two years ago, I visited a
Book/Magazine-Store with a fellow sysop. The latest Boardwatch
magazine had just arrived, and I anxiously flipped through the pages
-- imagine my shock when I discovered that this was the first issue
which did not have one single BBS-related article or ad. We had
seen the writing on the wall before, but that was one heck of a
wake-up call, a slap in the face. In view of the realities, my
friend, who was running our largest hub at the time, took his system
down shortly thereafter; I decided to stay. Different strokes for
different folks.

Such are the realities of BBS life today, and it makes no difference
who or what is sitting in the *C chairs, the BBS scene will unfold
itself according to its own dynamics, the rest is nothing but
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wishful thinking. Something about the chairs on the deck of the
Titanic comes to mind.... ;-)

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FTSC Administrator vote

Official announcement - FTSC Administrator vote
by Mario Mure', 2:335/533 [email protected]

=====================
VOTING PROCEDURE
FTSC ADMINISTRATOR
=====================

As detailed in the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail conference and in
FIDO1547.NWS, Odinn Sorensen has informed us that he wants step own
as FTSC Administrator as soon as another person is ready to take over
that office.

To fill this vacancy, an election for a new FTSC Administrator is
being held.

Number of positions to be filled:
1
Responsibilities:
See FTA-1001.
Elegibility for appointment:
See FTA-1001.

>From 1998-11-20 until 1998-12-10, nominations have been accepted
following the process described in FTA-1001.

The next step is the voting process to appoint a new FTSC
Administrator.

Votes:
Only votes from FTSC Standing Members as per current version of
FTA-1003 who have not resigned from their position will be
accepted provided that they are received by the election
administrator no earlier than 1998-12-11 at 00:00 UTC and no later
than 1998-12-31 at 24:00 UTC. FTSC Standing Members are encouraged
to send their votes by crash mail. If they choose to use routed
netmail they do so on their own risk.
Results:
The election administrator shall publish the election result in
the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail conference no later than 1999-01-07 at
24:00 UTC.
Term of office:
The elected candidate will be appointed for a period that ends
2002-12-31.

As election administrator for this election, Mario Mure' has been
appointed.
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FidoNet address: Mario Mure', 2:335/533
Internet address: [email protected]

All FTSC Standing Members as per current version of FTA-1003 who have
not resigned from their position are eligible to vote.

Voting commences 1998-12-11 at 00:00 UTC and closes 1998-12-31 at
23:59 UTC.

Each FTSC Member ballot is to be sent either via:

* netmail to Mario Mure' at 2:335/533, or
* Internet email to [email protected]

Receipt of votes will be acknowledged by return netmail or email.

Ballots should include a password. The ballot format is given below.

Each vote shall be for only one of the 2 candidates. An abstention is
permitted.

+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| BALLOT - FTSC ADMINISTRATOR ELECTION, 1998 |
| |
| VOTER'S NAME _______________________________ |
| |
| PASSWORD _______________________________ |
| |
| Please indicate your wishes for ONE of the following candidates |
| with an "X" in the "VOTE" column at left. To abstain, leave blank |
| all "VOTE" columns at left. |
| |
| Ballots containing more than ONE "X" in the "VOTE" columns will |
| be considered nul and void. |
| |
| There are 2 names, given in alphabetical order sorted by surname. |
| |
| "I support the appointment of this individual |
| as new FTSC Administrator." |
+-------+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| VOTE | NAME NODE # |
+-------+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| | Radu Malica 2:530/139 |
| | Colin Turner 2:443/13 |
+-------+-----------------------------------------------------------+
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FTSC Standing Member vote

Official announcement - FTSC Standing Member vote
by Mario Mure', 2:335/533 [email protected]

======================
VOTING PROCEDURE
FTSC STANDING MEMBERS
======================

As detailed in the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail conference and in
FIDO1547.NWS, a number of FTSC Standing Members have resigned. To
fill these vacancies, an election for new Standing Members is being
held.

Number of positions to be filled:
Not a definite number. According to FTA-1001 the FTSC shall have
no less than 7 and no more than 30 members. Therefore a minimum of
0 and a maximum of 11 new Standing Members may be appointed.
Eligibility for appointment:
See FTA-1001.

>From 1998-11-20 until 1998-12-10, nominations have been accepted
following the process described in FTA-1001.

The next step is the voting process to appoint FTSC Standing Members.

Votes:
Only votes from nodelisted RC's and REC's will be accepted
provided that they are received by the election administrator no
earlier than 1998-12-11 at 00:00 UTC and no later than 1998-12-31
at 24:00 UTC. RC's and REC's are encouraged to send their votes
by crash mail. If they choose to use routed netmail they do so on
their own risk. Votes for Standing Members should indicate what
candidates each voter is supporting. Only those candidates
obtaining support from more than 50 % of the total number of RC's
and REC's casting valid votes will be considered successfull.
Successfull candidates will be appointed according to the total
number of supportive votes they have received. The one with the
highest number of supportive votes will be appointed first etc.
Results:
The election administrator shall publish the election result in
the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail conference no later than on 1999-01-07

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at 24:00 UTC. In case of a tie about the last position to be
filled this result may be supplemented by the ZCC decision as
above no later than 1999-01-31 at 24:00 UTC.
Term of office:
Elected candidates will be appointed for a period that ends
2000-09-30.

As election administrator for this election, Mario Mure' has been
appointed.

FidoNet address: Mario Mure', 2:335/533
Internet address: [email protected]

"Nodelisted RC" is interpreted as anyone in the FidoNet nodelist
(current on 1998-12-11) shown as the operator of a system with the
Region keyword as per FTS-5.

"Nodelisted REC" is interpreted as the first person in the FidoNet
nodelist (current on 1998-12-11) identified as the REC of her/his
region. Identification by a REC user flag in the nodelist is the
preferred way for identification.

If any single person occupies both the RC and the REC position for
her/his region, she/he is entitled to two votes.

All RCs and RECs clearly identified as such in that nodelist are
eligible to vote.

Voting commences 1998-12-11 at 00:00 UTC and closes 1998-12-31 at
23:59 UTC.

Each RC and REC ballot is to be sent either via:

* netmail to Mario Mure' at 2:335/533, or
* Internet email to [email protected]

Receipt of votes will be acknowledged by return netmail or email.

Ballots should include a password. The ballot format is given below.

Votes shall be "Yes" or "No" for each of the 4 candidates. An
abstention for any candidate is permitted.

+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| BALLOT - FTSC STANDING MEMBER ELECTION, 1998 |
| |
| VOTER'S NAME _______________________________ |
| |
| VOTER'S POSITION RC/REC______ REGION______ |
| |
| PASSWORD _______________________________ |
| |
| Please indicate your wishes for each of the following candidates |
| with an "X" in either the "YES" or the "NO" column. To abstain, |
| leave both columns blank for that candidate. |
| |
| There are 4 names, so 4 votes are required in total. Names are |

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| given in alphabetical order sorted by surname. |
| |
| "I support the appointment of this individual |
| as an FTSC Standing Member" |
+----+----+---------------------------------------------------------+
|YES | NO | NAME NODE # NOMINATED BY |
+----+----+---------------------------------------------------------+
| | | Lothar Behet 2:2446/301 RC 1:13, REC 1:19 |
| | | Todd Cochrane 1:345/2 RC 1:10 |
| | | David Hallford 1:208/103 RC 1:10 |
| | | Sean Rima 2:252/300 RC 1:13 |
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Precedent - Must we do it all again?

Precedent
Must we do it all again?
Douglas Myers 1:270/720

If there were an award for the most overused term in Fidonet, the
term "precedent" would be a strong contender. Bob Satti was
criticized for firing Bob Kohl because it "set a bad precedent."
Zorch Frezberg attempted to deny an elected moderator from obtaining
the elist password because of "precedent." Indeed, the elist
software itself has recently been criticized because it doesn't
operate in precisely the same way as the previous software on the
basis of "precedent."

Precedent, if the term is to be taken literally, is simply an event
which occurs before another. When used in the various arguments
occurring in Fidonet, however, there is a strong implication to the
term which goes beyond simple timing. The term is used more in the
sense of a legal precedent.

Lawyers look for a documented precedent frequently in the course of
their work. The theory is that if a similar occurrence of an
incident was already decided in a court of law, and if the laws
haven't changed in the meantime, then the ruling should be the same
no matter which judge or jury decides.

But Fido isn't a courtroom (despite appearances to the contrary in
some of the echoes), so does a "precedent" carry the same imperative
as it would in a court of law?

Certainly some sense of precedent is appropriate, as few want to
"reinvent the wheel" each time they approach a problem. Most of us
use session-level passwords with our links because precedent has
shown that it prevents chicanery. Even if P4 didn't exist, most of
us would work through the *C structure since it's better than NO
plan. Most of us honor moderator requests due to precedent.

But sometimes precedent gets in the way of progress. Fidonet
established a strong structure of geographic organization and

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distribution based on the realities of the telephone tariff
structure. Changes in these tariffs, and the dramatic impact of
internet connections, made these precedents cumbersome. And so they
were pretty much discarded with the result that distribution costs
plummeted and much of that distribution is decentralized now.

In a court of law, citing a precedent can compel a ruling. But in
the world of Fido, precedents are routinely discarded when they have
outlived their usefulness (and sometimes just on whim). To argue
that we've done something a certain way before does not mean that we
have to keep repeating and repeating it. We're free to try
something new... and this is the stuff of which progress is made!

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NET HUMOR
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Student Bloopers

STUDENT BLOOPERS

This is a compilation of actual student bloopers collected by
teachers from 8th grade through college (how scary).

1. Ancient Egypt was inhabited by mummies and they all wrote in
hydraulics. They lived in the Sarah Dessert and traveled by
Camelot. The climate of the Sarah is such that the inhabitants have
to live elsewhere.

2. The Bible is full of interesting caricatures. In the first book
of the Bible, Guinessis, Adam and Eve were created from an apple
tree. One of their children, Cain, asked, "Am I my brother's son?"

3. Moses led the Hebrew slaves to the Red Sea, where they made
unleavened bread which is bread made without any ingredients. Moses
went up on Mount Cyanide to get the ten commandments. He died
before he ever reached Canada.

4 Solomom had three hundred wives and seven hundred porcupines.

5. The Greeks were a highly sculptured people, and without them we
wouldn't have history. The Greeks also had myths. A myth is a female
moth.

6. Actually, Homer was not written by Homer but by another man of
that name.

7. Socrates was a famous Greek teacher who went around giving
people advice. They killed him. Socrates died from an overdose of
wedlock. After his death, his career suffered a dramatic decline.

8. In the Olympic games, Greeks ran races, jumped, hurled the
biscuits, and threw the java.

9. Eventually, the Romans conquered the Greeks. History calls
people Romans because they never stayed in one place for very long.

10. Julius Caesar extinguished himself on the battlefields of Gaul.
The Ides of March murdered him because they thought he was going to
be made king. Dying, he gasped out: "Tee hee, Brutus."

11. Nero was a cruel tyranny who would torture his subjects by
playing the fiddle to them.

12. Joan of Arc was burnt to a steak and was cannonized by Bernard
Shaw. Finally, Magna Carta provided that no man should be hanged
twice for the same offense.

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13. In midevil times most people were alliterate. The greatest
writer of the futile ages was Chaucer, who wrote many poems and
verses and also wrote literature.

14. Another story was William Tell, who shot an arrow through an
apple while standing on his son's head.

15. Queen Elizabeth was the "Virgin Queen." As a queen she was a
success. When she exposed herself before her troops they all shouted
"hurrah."

16. It was an age of great inventions and discoveries. Gutenberg
invented removable type and the Bible. Another important invention
was the circulation of blood. Sir Walter Raleigh is a historical
figure because he invented cigarettes and started smoking. And Sir
Francis Drake circumcised the world with a 100 foot clipper.

17. The greatest writer of the Renaissance was William Shakespeare.
He was born in the year 1564, supposedly on his birthday. He never
made much money and is famous only because of his plays. He wrote
tragedies, comedies, and hysterectomies, all in Islamic pentameter.
Romeo and Juliet are an example of a heroic couplet. Romeo's last
wish was to be laid by Juliet.

18. Writing at the same time as Shakespeare was Miguel Cervantes.
He wrote Donkey Hote. The next great author was John Milton. Milton
wrote Paradise Lost. Then his wife died and he wrote Paradise
Regained.

19. During the Renaissance America began. Christopher Columbus was
a great navigator who discovered America while cursing about the
Atlantic. His ships were called the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa
Fe.

20. Later, the Pilgrims crossed the ocean, and this was called
Pilgrim's Progress. The winter of 1620 was a hard one for the
settlers. Many people died and many babies were born. Captain John
Smith was responsible for all this.

21. One of the causes of the Revolutionary War was the English put
tacks in their tea. Also, the colonists would send their parcels
through the post without stamps. Finally the colonists won the War
and nolonger had to pay for taxis. Delegates from the original 13
states formed the Contented Congress. Thomas Jefferson, a Virgin,
and Benjamin Franklin were two singers of the Declaration of
Independence. Franklin discovered electricity by rubbing two cats
backwards and declared, "A horse divided against itself cannot
stand." Franklin died in 1790 and is still dead.

22. Soon the Constitution of the United States was adopted to
secure domestic hostility. Under the constitution the people
enjoyed the right to keep bare arms.

23. Abraham Lincoln became America's greatest Precedent. Lincoln's
mother died in infancy, and he was born in a log cabin which he
built with his own hands. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves by
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signing the Emasculation Proclamation. On the night of April 14,
1865, Lincoln went to the theater and got shot in his seat by one of
the actors in a moving picture show. The believed assinator was John
Wilkes Booth, a supposingly insane actor. This ruined Booth's
career.

24. Meanwhile in Europe, the enlightenment was a reasonable time.
Voltaire invented electricity and also wrote a book called Candy.

25. Gravity was invented by Issac Walton. It is chiefly noticeable
in the autumn when the apples are falling off the trees.

26. Johann Bach wrote a great many musical compositions and had
large number of children. In between he practiced on an old
spinster which he kept up in his attic. Bach died from 1750 to the
present. Bach was the most famous composer in the world and so was
Handel. Handel was half German, half Italian, and half English. He
was very large.

27. Beethoven wrote music even though he was deaf. He was so deaf
he wrote loud music. He took long walks in the forest even when
everyone was calling for him. Beethoven expired in 1827 and later
died for this.

28. The French Revolution was accomplished before it happened and
catapulted into Napoleon. Napoleon wanted an heir to inherit his
power, but since Josephine was a baroness, she couldn't have any
children.

29. The sun never set on the British Empire because the British
Empire is in the East and the sun sets in the West.

30. Queen Victoria was the longest queen. She sat on a thorn for 63
years. She was a moral woman who practiced virtue. Her death was
the final event which ended her reign.

31. The nineteenth century was a time of a great many thoughts and
inventions. People stopped reproducing by hand and started
reproducing by machine. The invention of the steamboat caused a
network of rivers to spring up. Cyrus McCormick invented the
McCormick raper, which did the work of a hundred men.

32. Louis Pasteur discovered a cure for rabbis. Charles Darwin was
a naturalist who wrote the Organ of the Species. Madman Curie
discovered radio. And Karl Marx became one of the Marx brothers.

33. The First World War, caused by the assignation of the Arch-Duck
by an anahist, ushered in a new error in the anals of human history.

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NOTICES
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Future History

16 Feb 1999
13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush.

12 May 1999
12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.

24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

9 Jun 1999
Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.

10 Sep 1999
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.

26 Oct 1999
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.

31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

21 Sep 2000
10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)

1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.

FidoNet:

Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
Echomail [pending]
WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN]
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti
List servers:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion

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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org

Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

Region 13:

Net 264: http://www.net264.org

Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/

Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://www.compconn.net/r19

Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/

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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org

ZEC2:
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/

Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)

Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
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Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb

Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)

Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)

Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)

Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr

Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)

Region 42: http://www.fido.cz

Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl

Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)

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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

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Zone 4:

Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org

Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)

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Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
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no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.

TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.

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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $5/$15mo.
1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP,VMoT | 64k | $5/mo.
1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c
1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 64k | $10/$20mo.
1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c
1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr.
1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c
1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr.
1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr.
1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
2:33/505 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c
2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c
4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c
5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c
--
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
[I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet.
Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed.
Contact the system operators for details of which programs they have
available.]

Compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, [email protected]
Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.

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Editor: Henk Wolsink

Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
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Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
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and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For
use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or
the Editor.

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OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or
file-request, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet.
PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request
FNEWS for the current month in one archive. Or file-request specific
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particular Issue. Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP
where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
current year [8], i.e., FNWSJAN8.ZIP for all the Issues from Jan 98.

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Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
1 - 15 for 1984 - 1998, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in
size from 48K to 1.4M.

INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:

http://www.fidonews.org
http://www.fidonet.org/fidonews.htm
ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.irvbbs.com/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/Fidonet/Fidonews

And in non-English formats via:

http://www.hvc.ee/pats/fidonews (Estonian)
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You may obtain an email subscription to FidoNews by sending email to:

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by sending email to:

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with a Subject line of: help

and FTPMail will immediately send a reply containing details and
instructions. When you actually make a file request, FTPMail will
respond in three stages. You find a link for this process on
www.fidonews.org.

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You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at:

http://www.fidonews.org

STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request -
Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from:

ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/

Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
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for that year's issues. The total set is currently about 13 Megs.

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The current week's FidoNews and the FidoNews public-key are now also
available almost immediately after publication on the FidoNews Editor
homepage on the World Wide Web at:

http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html

There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an
email link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over.

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