F I D O N E W S Volume 15, Number 48 30 November 1998

F I D O N E W S Volume 15, Number 48 30 November 1998
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2
Password Change - Right or Wrong? ........................ 2
IP addressing ............................................ 2
3. NOTICES .................................................. 5
4. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 6
5. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 9
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,

And now for the last issue for November 1998. In 31 days, we have
1999 and the start of a new year.

Has 1998 gone past without you knowing what you did? Or was it a
year in which you knew what was going on, but you ignored it anyway?

Well whichever way, you have 31 days to correct it. :-)

Happy reading,

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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Password Change - Right or Wrong?

Kent Anderson 1:382/92/[email protected]

Your letter in Fidonews F47 points out, line by line, your sysopsis of
what happened in the recent password change incident. In actuality,
it's the best proof I have seen of the correctness of Thom Lacosta's
action in revealing the password to Rob Ferrera. Here's why I feel
this is true:

Those who move the mail MUST know to whom they look for initiating
action within the conference. They have no way whatever of knowing
that some puppetmaster behind the scences is making a dummy dance.
Their looking to the LISTED Moderator(s) is the only logical
approach. It even makes sense to consider the first listed Moderator
as in charge in the event of a dispute.

The commonly accepted practice through all the time I have
participated in Fidonet activities has been to consider the listed
Moderator as in charge of a conference, and the one with authority
there, when authority must be wielded. That authority includes with
it the right to delegate to another such tasks as the Moderator deems
fitting. Delegating those duties does not mean that the person in
charge delegates the responsibility for the delegated task to
performed properly.

Revealing a password to the proven Moderator of an echo is not
something new. Under proper circumstances, it was most certainly done
when Adrian Walker kept the echo list, and so far as I know during
his predecessors' regimes. As a Fidonet Moderator, I have not the
slightest compunction about letting the security of my echo's
password rest with Thom. I personally feel that we owe him a vote of
thanks for preventing an echo from being orchestrated from behind the
scenes by someone unknown to the users of that echo.

[ED Interesting comment, the question remains, is the elist worth it,
as commented in my Editorial of last week?

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Finally something I can get up on the soap box about. Now
listen up it's time for a lesson. Stepping up to my Soap
Box I Proclaim:

Is there room in Fidonet Nodelist for IP's. In this Authors
opinion Damn right. There should have been some adaptation
officially about 7 years ago. There was a time where Fidonet
system operators were on the cutting edge. Today some of you
are finally waking up and getting on the band wagon... But most
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of you want to cry that your user base has dried up and moved
on. Get a grip and start showing the world we have what it
takes to put Fidonet back on the map. If not put it back on the
map but at least move the technology into the 90's instead of
staying in the 80's

It's kinda funny in a sense I was laughed at back in 1992 for
setting up one of the very first Internet e-mail capable
BBS systems. Sysops laughed and said, what do you need that
for. Well who is laughing now.

I was pushing for IP integration back in 95 and for the most
part it was like talking to a brick wall. Well I am very very
happy that the new innovators in Zone 2 are actually pushing
the boundaries so that they can force the rest of you into
actually implementing something useful.

What is comical is that I hear many of you crying that your
BBS systems are not getting callers anymore. No Shit sherlock
they are all connecting to the 1000 or less BBS systems that
are fully connected to the Internet. I never had 7000 logins
in one day when we had 16 dial in lines going. Move your
systems to the Net and take away some of my volume.

Connectivity is getting cheaper and with services like
www.dynip.com who update your dns records on the fly when you
don't own a static IP the cost to put your BBS on the Net
is no more than a upgraded Internet account and a dedicated
phone line.

But so far as what the real wizards over in Zone 2 are doing
I would hope that those of you spending your days squabbling
about who is the biggest and baddest and who has power and
who doesn't will wake up and take notice and move this hobby
forward once again.

I get mad like everyone else when people try to push there
personal agendas and not help one another and move this
network forward. But it will be like the past a few early
adopters will move on Zone 2's innovation and then the rest of
you will wake up one morning and play catch up..

If your crying that your poor old 286 single line dial up system
is gonna break because they modified the nodelist well I guess we
will have to come up with 2 Nodelist after all it isn't that BIG
and I am sure it would not be real difficult rig a conversion
program.

It is time for some real new Fidonet leadership and I mean real
new leadership most of the so called leaders are either burned
out or they still are listening to Disco.

Lastly I want to tell you the real reason Zone 1 has not adapted
Fidonet over IP it is because it would put a few subscription
echomail feeds out of business. BTW I have already set about
25 of you up for free feeds an am re-feeding you. I have plenty
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of bandwidth for about a 1000 more so If any of you need a free
full Fidonet echomail/filebone and netmail feed drop me a line
at the contact at the bottom and I will be happy to save you
some of you hard earned cash each month that you can put
towards putting your BBS on the Internet

Todd Cochrane
BBS Networks & Hafa Adai Exchange
1:345/0
www.bbsnets.com
[email protected]

BBS Networks & Hafa Adai Exchange
http://www.bbsnets.com/ World's Largest Interactive BBS
Todd Cochrane Honolulu Hi [email protected]

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Announcing the newly backboned MP3 echo!

A new echo has been established for discussion of the popular internet
music distribution file format of MP3. It is an open-ended echo for
discussion of just about anything related to the MP3, including the
political aspects and the legal aspects of the file format. I, the
moderator (Steve Steffler, 1:17/667.3) encourage all sysops reading to
hook into this sure-to-be interesting echo from their nearest backbone
feed. I'm not great at advertising, so below I'll include the ELIST
entry, and you can come check it out for yourself.

MP3
International MP3 Discussion Forum
This echo is for news, discussion and information pertaining
to the high quality digital music format that is sweeping
the world, MPEG I Layer III (or MP3). This echo is gatewayed
into e-mail mailing list format as well. Put "SUBSCRIBE
MP3" in an email to [email protected] to add yourself
to the discussion.
Status: Active
Origin: 1:17/667.3 Group:
Distribution:
Gateways: mailing list, see description
Language:
# Nodes: N/A Volume: 433/mo Rules:
Flags: <Real Names Only>
Notes: /REA
Moderators: steve steffler, 1:17/667.3, [email protected]
Last changed: 9-Nov-98 by [email protected],
1:261/1550,
[email protected] (steve steffler)

email: [email protected] web: http://listen.to/equatorial
icq: 2690054
"I dress for success, but success is not impressed." - Poster Children

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NOTICES
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Future History

1 Dec 1998
Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
Tom Jennings.

16 Feb 1999
13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush.

12 May 1999
12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.

24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

9 Jun 1999
Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.

10 Sep 1999
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.

26 Oct 1999
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.

31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

21 Sep 2000
10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)

1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.

FidoNet:

Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
Echomail [pending]
WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN]
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti
List servers:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion

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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org

Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

Region 13:

Net 264: http://www.net264.org

Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/

Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://www.compconn.net/r19

Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/

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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org

ZEC2:
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/

Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)

Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
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Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb

Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)

Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)

Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)

Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr

Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)

Region 42: http://www.fido.cz

Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl

Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)

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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

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Zone 4:

Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org

Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)

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Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
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no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.

TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.

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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+-----------
1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton |FTP,VMoT,F2I,UUE| 64k | $10/$20mo.
1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | F2I | ??? | $2mo.
1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE,F2I | 28.8 | $10/yr.
1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $1mo.
1:2424/3121| Earl Clark | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VFOS | 33.6 | $15yr.
1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
1:342/1022 | Steve Steffler | UUE,F2I | 33.6 | n/c
1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
2:33/505 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2:2490/5170| Lenny Murphy | F2I | ??? | n/c
5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c
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+ VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
+ F2I = Fido2Int (W95)
+ UUE = uuencode<->email packet transfers

compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, [email protected]
Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.
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! Origin: * Fly By Night * (609)814-1978 *(1:2623/71)

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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------

Editor: Henk Wolsink

Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg

"FidoNews Editor"
FidoNet 5:5/23
BBS +27-41-515-913, 2400/9600/V.34/V.90

more addresses:
Henk Wolsink -- 5:7104/2, [email protected]

(Postal Service mailing address)
FidoNews Editor
P.O. Box 12325
Port Elizabeth,
6006
South Africa

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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
FidoNews and/or the Editor.

Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
Copyright 1998 Henk Wolsink. All rights reserved. Duplication
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use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or
the Editor.

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PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
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current year [8], i.e., FNWSJAN8.ZIP for all the Issues from Jan 98.

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Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
1 - 15 for 1984 - 1998, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in
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INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:

http://www.fidonews.org
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ftp://ftp.irvbbs.com/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/Fidonet/Fidonews

And in non-English formats via:

http://www.hvc.ee/pats/fidonews (Estonian)
http://www.fidonet.pp.se/sfnews (Swedish)

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and FTPMail will immediately send a reply containing details and
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respond in three stages. You find a link for this process on
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You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at:

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STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request -
Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from:

ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/

Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
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for that year's issues. The total set is currently about 13 Megs.

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The current week's FidoNews and the FidoNews public-key are now also
available almost immediately after publication on the FidoNews Editor
homepage on the World Wide Web at:

http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html

There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an
email link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over.

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SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews Editor, or file-requestable
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also have copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it.

"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
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and are used with permission.

"Disagreement is actually necessary,
or we'd all have to get in fights
or something to amuse ourselves
and create the requisite chaos."
-Tom Jennings

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