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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. ARTICLES ................................................. 2
North American Backbone Echo Changes [Sep-Oct] ........... 2
Feed Cuts vs. Message Filtering .......................... 2
Fidonet over IP, Part 4 of 4 ............................. 4
3. NOTICES .................................................. 12
4. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 13
5. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 16

FIDONEWS 15-45 Page 1 9 Nov 1998

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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,

Summer has started in this part of the world and only yesterday
it was reported that snow was expected on some of the higher
mountains ranges in the eastern part of South Africa.
Snow this time of the year? Strange things have happened in the
past, but this takes the cake.

Have been busy with many things this past week, including my
regular job, which left me with very little time to do things
I needed to do.

Enjoy reading what there is this week.

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FIDONEWS 15-45 Page 2 9 Nov 1998

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ARTICLES
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North American Backbone Echo Changes [Sep-Oct]
by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/9
[email protected]

Summary of backbone echo changes during Sep & Oct.

Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff.

Note: The North American Backbone has changed the format of its
areafix compatible lists. Backbone.na now lists all NAB
backbone echos. The backbone.no list has been discontinued.
Echos that are in jeopardy because of low traffic or an
expired Elist entry are listed in Section 3 of the weekly
backstat.na.

diff (backbone.na + .no) 05-Jul-98 backbone.na 06-Sep-98 [edited].

Added to the backbone
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> BAD_COPS What ya gonna do when they come for you
> ENGLISH_TUTOR English Tutoring for the English Language
> FEED_CUT Inform users sysops and *EC's of echo feed cuts
> INET_NODELIST FidoNet Nodelisting of Internet Sites
> INJOY The InJoy Internet Dialer
> LE/SECURITY Law Enforcement/Security Issues & Concerns
> LINUX_BBS Linux BBSing
> MOTOR_SPORTS_RESULTS Various Motor Sports Results
> NT4_UK Discussion of Microsoft's NT4 Workstation/Server
> OKLAHOMA GENERAL CHAT FOR OKLAHOMA
> PENNSYLVANIA GENERAL CHAT FOR PENNSYLVANIA
> TORNADO.SUPPORT Tornado BBS Software Support Echo

Removed from the backbone or quasi-backbone
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< ANEWS (not in EchoList since 5/1/98)
< ANIME (not in EchoList since 6/1/98)
< ER (low traffic since 4/1/98)
< FIPS (low traffic since 4/1/98)
< IRS_HELP (low traffic since 4/1/98)
< PCBPPL (low traffic since 4/1/98)
< RAILFANS (not in EchoList since 6/1/98)
< RECOVERY (not in EchoList since 5/1/98)
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o There are 720 echos in backbone.na [01-Nov-98] (up 111)
o There are 0 echos in backbone.no (down 107)
o for a total of 720 backbone echos (up 4)

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FIDONEWS 15-45 Page 3 9 Nov 1998

Feed Cuts vs. Message Filtering
by Jerry Schwartz, 1:142/928

In last week's FidoNews, Gordon Lewicky made an impassioned
statement against feed cuts and in favor of "culling" offensive
posters' messages from echos. Unfortunately, I think he's
heading down a wrong and very dangerous path.

If a nuisance poster is denied the ability to post in an echo by
a sysop, his or her messages simply don't exist -- anywhere.
However, the proposed culling action would by definition happen
when the sysop does not agree to restrict access to the echo; so
the culling would have to occur at one or more other systems.

At the very least, this presumes that suitable software is
universally available; but there is a worse problem. Once
specific messages are being filtered out on certain systems (and
possibly not on other systems), it will quickly become obvious
because there will be replies and side comments which won't be
filtered out. We have enough problems tracking down broken links
without introducing the appearance of broken links deliberately.

A more insidious problem is that the widespread, sanctioned use
of such techniques would provide cover for unsanctioned use.
"My, oh my, did I accidentally put your name in my filter? I'll
fix that first thing a week from Tuesday."

I don't think any of us want to see that.

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FIDONEWS 15-45 Page 4 9 Nov 1998

Fidonet over IP, Part 4 of 4:

Policy aspects about IP-Nodes

Copyright 1998 by Lothar Behet

Part 1 and 2 in FidoNews issue contained a definition of
Fidonet-over-IP and the available software.
Part 3 was dedicated to possibilities of and actual proposals
for integration of ip-nodes

1. Basics (again :)

Let us take a look on requirements for conventional nodes at first
(excerpts from the Fidonet policy 4.07):

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1.3.2 Geography
Each level of FidoNet is geographically contained by the level
immediately above it. A given geographic location is covered by
one zone and one region within that zone, and is either in one
network or not in a network. There are never two zones, two
regions, or two networks which cover the same geographic area.

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1.3.3 Zone Mail Hour
Zone Mail Hour (ZMH) is a defined time during which all nodes in a
zone are required to be able to accept netmail. Each Fidonet zone
defines a ZMH and publishes the time of its ZMH to all other
Fidonet zones. See sections 2.1.8 and 10.2.

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2.1.8 Exclusivity of Zone Mail Hour
Zone Mail Hour is the heart of FidoNet, as this is when network
mail is passed between systems. Any system which wishes to be a
part of FidoNet must be able to receive mail during this time
using the protocol defined in the current FidoNet Technical
Standards Committee publication (FTS-0001 at this writing).
It is permissible to have greater capability (for example, to
support additional protocols or extended mail hours), but the
minimum requirement is FTS-0001 capability during this one hour
of the day.

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2.1.9 Private Nodes
The rare exception to ZMH compliance is private nodes. Persons
requesting private nodes should be supported as points if
possible. A private listing is justified when the system must
interface with many others, such as an echomail distributor.
In these cases, the exact manner and timing of mail delivery is
arranged between the private node and other systems. Such an
agreement between a private system and a hub is not binding on

FIDONEWS 15-45 Page 5 9 Nov 1998

any replacement for that hub. A private node must be a part of
a network (they cannot be independents in the region.)

Private listings impact each member of FidoNet, since they take up
space in everyone's nodelist. Private listings which are for the
convenience of one sysop (at the expense of every other sysop in
FidoNet) are a luxury which is no longer possible. Non-essential
redundant listings (more than one listing for the same telephone
number, except as mandated by FTSC standards) also fall into this
category. Sysops requesting private or redundant listings must
justify them with a statement explaining how they benefit the
local net or FidoNet as a whole. The Network Coordinator or
Regional Coordinator may review this statement at any time and
listings which are not justified will be removed.

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10.2 Timing of Zone Mail Hour
Zone Mail Hour is observed each day, including weekends and
holidays. The time is based upon Universal Coordinated Time
(UTC), also known as Greenwich Mean time (GMT). In areas which
observe Daylight Savings Time during part of the year, the local
time of zone mail hour will change because FidoNet does not
observe Daylight Savings Time. The exact timing of Zone Mail Hour
is set for each zone by the Zone Coordinator.

In FidoNet Zone 1, Zone Mail Hour is observed from 0900 to 1000 UTC.
In each of the time zones, this is:
Eastern Standard Time 4 AM to 5 AM
Central Standard Time 3 AM to 4 AM
Mountain Standard Time 2 AM to 3 AM
Pacific Standard Time 1 AM to 2 AM

FIDONEWS 15-45 Page 6 9 Nov 1998

Hawaii Standard Time 11 PM to Midnight

In FidoNet Zone 2, Zone Mail Hour is observed from 0230 to 0330 UTC.
In Fidonet Zone 3, Zone Mail Hour is observed from 1800 to 1900 UTC.
In each of the time Zones involved this is:

GMT +12 Zone 6:00 AM to 7:00 AM
(New Zealand)
GMT +10 Zone 4:00 AM to 5:00 AM
(East Australia)
(Papua New Guinea)
(Micronesia)
GMT +9.5 Zone 3:30 AM to 4:30 AM
(Central Australia)
GMT +9 Zone 3:00 AM to 4:00 AM
(Japan)
(Korea)
(Eastern Indonesia)
GMT +8 Zone 2:00 AM to 3:00 AM
(Hong Kong)
(Taiwan)
(Central Indonesia)
(Philippines)
(Western Australia)
GMT +7 Zone 1:00 AM to 2:00 AM
(Malaysia)
(Singapore)
(Thailand)
(Western Indonesia)

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FIDONEWS 15-45 Page 7 9 Nov 1998

Each Coordinator (i.e. RC, ZC) is responsible for his part the
nodelist data, which at last is the "phonebook" of Fidonet.
It contains the required data for a possible direct session
between any two nodes, as long as they use the same technology
(certain analog modems, ISDN, IP in the future).

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The requirement of FTS-0001 handshake protocol may be relativated,
as FTS-0001, Chapter H leaves room for future development over
non-dial nets, which might include a modified handshaking
procedure.

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Availability for direct calls from any other node

Internet connections have one thing in common with ISDN-nodes:
They can only be accessed with the same type of technology,
while both are incompatible to each other and to conventional
PSTN-nodes.

Since 1993 ISDN-nodes are included in the nodelist with their
special flags and most of them run at least one additional
analog line or use specialized terminal adpaters, which support
conventional calls via ISDN as transport layer as a combined node.

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In fact, there are 3 major points for assigning a node number:
ZMH (Zone Mail Hour), geography and FTS-0001.

FIDONEWS 15-45 Page 8 9 Nov 1998

2. Effects for IP-Nodes?

The internet acting as additional carrier for FTN-compatible
sessions is in fact a non-dial-net, mostly formed of a huge
mass of permanent communication paths.
Only the individual session between any two nodes requires both
systems availability for that duration, so that even dial-in
users may run Fidonet over ip.

The timeslice may be ZMH or any other clearly stated online-time
(i.e. published via T-flags in the nodelist), as long as ZMH is
included in it. So there is no need for an in most countries
quite expensive permanent connection to the internet to maintain
CM-capability (Continues Mail), as this may be realized using
callback capabilities for the internet connection.

There is no easy resolution for geography within the internet, as
neither the ip number nor the FQDN (Fully Qualified Domain Name)
are bound directly to geographical definitions. Even a system with
a certain FQDN (i.e. www.fidonet.org, fido.nrh.de) might be hosted
in the USA or any other country.
This concludes, that the geographical position is bound to the
sysop home site and this assigns his membership to a certain net
in the sense of Fidonet.

FTS-0001 defines all aspects of a certain handshake procedure
between two nodes, focused on a conventional dial-net via
telephone lines.
While Chapter H leaves room for future developments, the strict
accordance to the FTS-0001 procedure should be thought over again.
The internet as a carrier medium can not guarantee for a minimum
bandwidth for a certain session neither for calculatable response

FIDONEWS 15-45 Page 9 9 Nov 1998

times.

This makes a strict FTS-0001 sessions under certain circumstances
unreliable or even impossible, as its definition of timeouts is
insufficient for slow connections via certain parts of the
internet, especially when satellite links are included on some
parts of the routing path.

This uncalculatable response behaviour is considered in some
modern protocols especially designed for transfer of data via the
internet (i.e. BinkP), while it still allows the authentification
based on the fidonet nodelist data. There might be developed other
variants for fidonet-over-ip in the future, which should be taken
into consideration, as long as they are publicly available.

3. Some practical experiences
As I was one of the early ip-nodes in fidonet, i use strict
fidonet-over-ip since more than one year. Therefore i especially
included the chapter about FTS-0001 relativity in this article,
as BinkP does not fulfill it, but certain connections are really
impossible with FTS-0001 via telnet or Vmodem.

Within this year, i saw many nodes announcing ip-capabilities for
fidonet use, but some them disappeared without any further notice.
So many lists of ip-nodes (in the future even my own one) are
unreliable, as long as they are not maintained regularly.

Other transport protocols:
FTP does not require the nodelist for authenfication of a
sessions, is it is a completely closed definition of its own as
one of the standard functions in the internet.
Email-based methods generally do not require any direct,

FIDONEWS 15-45 Page 10 9 Nov 1998

authentificated session between the recipants.

4. Conclusion

An IP-node may be a "legal" part of Fidonet, as long as his system
is available at least at ZMH.
His system must support a direct handshaking session over ip,
while nodelist data is used for calling and authentification.
He belongs to a certain geographical net, based on his home site
and his NC handles his nodelist entry in a responsible manner.

Additional protocols should be considered as announcable, as some
interested people might use it without installation of a complete
node-system software package for easy participation within fidonet
below the node-status.

In my proposal (see part 3) I considered all of the above aspects,
including the possible future developments, which might not be
calculated completely at this time.

The the nomenclature of the flags with an leading "I" just shows
any node directly the participation of a special class (comparable
to Vxxx for ISDN nodes, Hxx for Hst, Zxx for Zyxel), the official
definition of ip-flags is more important than their optical
design.

Sources and availability:
For an actual compilation of sources, download and other
information, just take a look on
http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido/
(The site is tri-lingual (english/german/partly esperanto) at
this moment, but volunteer translators are already busy :)

FIDONEWS 15-45 Page 11 9 Nov 1998

Testing FIP all around the world:
Beside connections to the authors system (fido.nrh.de at
194.231.142.17) with BinkP:24554, Telnet:23 and Vmodem:3141,
the above mentioned website offers an ip nodelist, which is
continuously growing :)

Legal information:
Copyright 1998 by Lothar Behet
This series of articles may be distributed freely within the
fidonet community.
The distribution (partially or complete) on digital or printed
media without explicit authorization of the author is prohibited.

FIDONEWS 15-45 Page 12 9 Nov 1998

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NOTICES
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Future History

23 Nov 1998
35th Anniversary of Doctor Who.

1 Dec 1998
Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
Tom Jennings.

16 Feb 1999
13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush.

12 May 1999
12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.

24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

9 Jun 1999
Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.

10 Sep 1999
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.

26 Oct 1999
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.

31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

21 Sep 2000
10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)

1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.

FidoNet:

Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
Echomail [pending]
WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN]
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti
List servers:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion

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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org

Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/

Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://www.compconn.net/r19

Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/

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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org

ZEC2:
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/

Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)

Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/

Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb

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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)

Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)

Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)

Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr

Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)

Region 42: http://www.fido.cz

Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl

Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)

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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

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Zone 4: http://www.altern.org/zone4

Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org

Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)

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Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
FIDONEWS 15-45 Page 15 9 Nov 1998

TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.

-----------oOo-------------

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+-----------
1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton |FTP,VMoT,F2I,UUE| 64k | $10/$20mo.
1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | F2I | ??? | $2mo.
1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE,F2I | 28.8 | $10/yr.
1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $1mo.
1:2424/3121| Earl Clark | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VFOS | 33.6 | $15yr.
1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
1:342/1022 | Steve Steffler | UUE,F2I | 33.6 | n/c
1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
2:33/505 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2:2490/5170| Lenny Murphy | F2I | ??? | n/c
5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c
--
+ VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
+ F2I = Fido2Int (W95)
+ UUE = uuencode<->email packet transfers

compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, [email protected]
Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.
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! Origin: * Fly By Night * (609)814-1978 *(1:2623/71)

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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------

Editor: Henk Wolsink

Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg

"FidoNews Editor"
FidoNet 5:5/23
BBS +27-41-515-913, 2400/9600/V.34/V.90

more addresses:
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(Postal Service mailing address)
FidoNews Editor
P.O. Box 12325
Port Elizabeth,
6006
South Africa

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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
FidoNews and/or the Editor.

Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
Copyright 1998 Henk Wolsink. All rights reserved. Duplication
and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For
use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or
the Editor.

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OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or
file-request, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet.
PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request
FNEWS for the current month in one archive. Or file-request specific
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particular Issue. Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP
where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
current year [8], i.e., FNWSJAN8.ZIP for all the Issues from Jan 98.

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Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
1 - 15 for 1984 - 1998, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in
size from 48K to 1.4M.

INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:

http://www.fidonews.org
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ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/Fidonet/Fidonews

And in non-English formats via:

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by sending email to:

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with a Subject line of: help

and FTPMail will immediately send a reply containing details and
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You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at:

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STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request -
Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from:

ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/

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Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
for that year's issues. The total set is currently about 13 Megs.

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The current week's FidoNews and the FidoNews public-key are now also
available almost immediately after publication on the FidoNews Editor
homepage on the World Wide Web at:

http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html

There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an
email link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over.

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SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
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ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews Editor, or file-requestable
from 5:5/23 [5:7104/2] as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". ALL Zone Coordinators
also have copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it.

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"Disagreement is actually necessary,
or we'd all have to get in fights
or something to amuse ourselves
and create the requisite chaos."
-Tom Jennings

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