F I D O N E W S -- Volume 15, Number 35 31 August 1998

F I D O N E W S -- Volume 15, Number 35 31 August 1998
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. NET HUMOR ................................................ 2
Survivor's Guide to the SUPER-BITCH conference ........... 2
3. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 4
Announcing the SUPER-BITCH echo .......................... 4
4. NOTICES .................................................. 6
5. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 8
6. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 11
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,

Why is it that the echo, ECHOLIST, is used for announcing echo's not
remotely related to FidoNet? Seen quite a few of FamilyNet passing
in it. Does anyone care to enlighten me please?

Happy reading.

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NET HUMOR
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Survivor's Guide to the SUPER-BITCH conference
Douglas Myers 1:270/720 [email protected]

Bitches have been with us always, but they are no longer considered
chattel. Not only have they emancipated themselves over the last
few centuries, but now they are finding, from within their ranks,
those who epitomize the essence of all that is bitchin'. These
Super-Bitches have their own conference on Fido now!

We've been able to hold off the bitches in the late nineteenth and
early twentieth century with promises of equality. But with the
advent of the Super-Bitches, such a gambit no longer works. No
self-respecting Super-Bitch will settle for mere equality.

Of course, us guys _could_ survive by avoiding the bitches
altogether. And now that we've had our little laugh, lets get into a
practical technique. Write this down and memorize it: Survival
amoungst the Super-Bitches is basically a matter of being henpecked.
Since I have over a quarter-century devoted to the practical
application of this technique, I'd like to discuss it briefly (if
it's okay with the Super-Bitches, that is)...

Be yourself when you enter the echo. While it may be tempting to
keep your attitude and behavior under control at first, you still
have a quota of faults to maintain. If you don't display them, the
Super-Bitches will assign sufficient to bring you up to snuff. So
just be yourself and, above all, don't ask permission for it - a
Super-Bitch will just figure you're trying to limit her right to
bitch about it later.

Of course, you'll find yourself in confrontation anyway - did you
expect less from _this_ conference? But you _can_ survive if you
keep these techniques in mind:

1. Don't panic. You're not expected to understand the
arguement, and it will change frequently anyway.

2. Don't rely on the echo rules as a guideline. Don't even
bother reading them. You're only expected to know one
rule - the one that was just made up for you.

3. Memorize the phrase "Yes, Dear" and utter it in a
resigned tone each time the Super-Bitch pauses. She's
checking to make sure that you're not paying attention.

You may be tempted to argue back, but keep in mind that 50,000
bitches can't be wrong. There aren't actually that many connected
to the echo, of course, but do _you_ want to be the one to bring
that up?

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| Fidonet: Douglas Myers 1:270/[email protected]
| Internet: [email protected]
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
| From Mdtn_BBS @mdtnbbs.com [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ]

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ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
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ANNOUNCING THE SUPER-BITCH ECHO
- stolen from Ruth Argust

The text below was extracted from announcements on several echos.
When I suggested to Ruth that an announcement in Fidonews would be
appropriate, she responded in true super-bitch tradition. Her
response, to "stuff it" was interpreted by this reporter as
permission to print her material.

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For the time of your life, request the SUPER-BITCH echo from your
uplink. We will tease, bitch at and generally make nuisances of
ourselves by harrassing the *C's and *EC's. The ElfLords won't want
to miss it either since you will want to know what we are up to :)

This is an non-partisan announcement made in the general public
interest of promotion of fairness to Super-Bitches everywhere.

These are the Echo Rules for the Echo:

(Please remember that, in keeping with the spirit of this conference,
the echo rules are also tongue in cheek echo rules. If you would like
to insert your tongue somewhere else, please contact a moderator via
the echo.)

THE SUPER-BITCH CONFERENCE RULES

This is the FidoNet International Echomail conference SUPER-BITCH.
This echo is for the uncivilized and immature discussion of issues
affecting FidoNet. The Super-Bitches will usually treat each other
with respect, and attack all others.

Official language: Flaming, with tongue in cheek.

These rules will be posted whenever we feel like it. If the
participants cannot look up the ELRUL file, then they deserve
appropriate treatment at the hands of the Super-Bitches.

Feed cuts will be ordered liberally, particularly when any of the
Super-Bitches has PMS, but also whenever they feel pissed off with
their SO or the family dog or the neighbour.

Echo rules:

- Stick with the topic of the Echo. Or not.
- Leave MODERATING to the MODERATORS. You might piss us off
otherwise.
- The Super-Bitches will respond to all offtopic posts - including
"Tests".
- Quote only that which ties to your reply--stop QUOTAHOLISM, unless
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you feel like quoting.
- Feel free to request routine FidoNet info here, instead of asking
your local NC. We'll provide you with the RIGHT answers.
- The posting of "test" msgs is considered annoying behavior. But
then, so is any post. Super-Bitches reserve the right to flame
anyone who posts or even lurks.
- Use this conference for corresponding to the moderators; discuss
echo policy in the open echo.
- Correction of the spelling, grammar, or style of other people's
messages is reserved to the Super-Bitches.
- If you wish to chastise someone, make sure the Super-Bitches will
agree the person needs chastisement. Then go ahead.
- These rules were bashed off quickly, and are not expected to be
definitive or even suitable. They will need to be discussed to
death and argued over for at least five years before we agree on
any changes.
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The Moderators are:
Lesley-Dee Dylan
Lynn Gipson
Andrea Santos
and Ruth Argust

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| Fidonet: Douglas Myers 1:270/[email protected]
| Internet: [email protected]
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
| From Mdtn_BBS @mdtnbbs.com [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ]

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NOTICES
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Future History

5 Oct 1998
29th Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus".

10 Sep 1998
9th Anniversary of Zone 5 operations.

14 Sep 1998
Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].

22 Sep 1998
First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.

23 Nov 1998
35th Anniversary of Doctor Who.

1 Dec 1998
Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
Tom Jennings.

16 Feb 1999
13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush.

12 May 1999
12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.

24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

9 Jun 1999
Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.

10 Sep 1999
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.

26 Oct 1999
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.

31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

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1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.

FidoNet:

Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
Echomail [pending]
WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN]
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti

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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org

Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

Region 19: http://www.compconn.net

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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org

ZEC2:
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/

Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)

Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/

Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb

Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)

Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (Swiss?)

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Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)

Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr

Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)

Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl

Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)

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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

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Zone 4: http://www.altern.org/zone4

Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org

Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)

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Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.

TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.

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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

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Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+-----------
1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton |FTP,VMoT,F2I,UUE| 64k | $10/$20mo.
1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | F2I | ??? | $2mo.
1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE,F2I | 28.8 | $10/yr.
1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $1mo.
1:2424/3121| Earl Clark | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VFOS | 33.6 | $15yr.
1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
1:342/1022 | Steve Steffler | UUE,F2I | 33.6 | n/c
1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
2:33/505 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2:2490/5170| Lenny Murphy | F2I | ??? | n/c
5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c
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+ VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
+ F2I = Fido2Int (W95)
+ UUE = uuencode<->email packet transfers

compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, [email protected]
Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.
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! Origin: * Fly By Night * (609)814-1978 *(1:2623/71)

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