F I D O N E W S -- Volume 15, Number 5 2 February 1998

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It's GROUNDHOG DAY!

Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Nodelist is still a mess and Echomail election notes ..... 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2
Further responses to article ............................. 2
Election issues: Candidate Answers ....................... 7
Kohl Platform on the Internet ............................ 10
Echomail questions ....................................... 10
Echomail answers ......................................... 11
Even more Echomail answers ............................... 12
Goodbye? What about thanks for the fish? ................. 13
Zone 6 in deep trouble ................................... 14
Zone 6 troubles .......................................... 15
3. COLUMNS .................................................. 16
BBS Anonymous - Chapter 2 ................................ 16
4. COORDINATORS CORNER ...................................... 18
Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 030 ...... 18
5. NET HUMOR ................................................ 19
The death of a legend? ................................... 19
6. NOTICES .................................................. 20
Future History ........................................... 20
7. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................................. 21
Latest Greatest Software Versions ........................ 21
8. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY ...................................... 25
FidoNews PGP public-key listing .......................... 25
And more!
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EDITORIAL
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The Zone 1 Nodelist is only up to the Zone 2 360 diff file of 1997
and here we are five weeks into 1998. [sigh]

There are more Zone 6 complaints from Zone 6 folks in this edition.
Without an IC in place, WHO is going to help these people over there?

The ZEC1 election for Head Echomail Weenie [HEW?] in Zone 1 is still
going strong and more responses appear today. All Echomail weenies in
Zone 1 should be sure to cast their votes while they have the chance.

On the Internet front, those of you with Internet access should try a
fabulous communication program called ICQ {I Seek You} available from
www.mirabilis.com. It does just about everything including talking. It
allows you to chat, send instant messages [IMs], send files, as well
as tracking the online status of all your ICQ registered contacts.
It's free and it's a lot of fun!

For those of you not on AOL but with contacts there, you can download
AOL Instant Messenger {AIM} to track their screen names and exchange
IMs with them from outside AOL via your standard ISP connection. Go
to www.aol.com for that free program. AOLers should also know that
ICQ will operate from INSIDE your standard AOL environment, too. AIM
doesn't do chats at present but may eventually.

Here in the U.S.A., February 2nd is Groundhog Day. Theoretically, if
the groundhog in Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania, comes out of his hole and
sees his [his name is Phil] shadow, winter will continue for six more
weeks. If he doesn't see his shadow, then spring will be six weeks
early. It's not an official day off [except maybe in Punxsutawney] but
it's become a American nonsense tradition every year. You may have
seen movie starring Bill Murray and Andie McDowell called, "Groundhog
Day" which explains the whole thing more succinctly.

C.B.

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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--- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Sun Feb 01 19:19:51 1998

From: Bob Kohl @ 1:102/861
To: Christopher Baker @ 1:18/14
Date: 01 Feb 98 13:29:08
Subj: Further response to article.

> * Forwarded from 1:102/861, Conniption BBS in Los Angeles CA
> * Originally Andrea Santos to ALL in the Z1_ELECTION echo.

> Would like to address comments made by Bob Kohl, as they appeared in
> Fidonews this week.

> ---------------->

> F I D O N E W S -- Volume 15, Number 4 26 January
> 1998

>>> From: Bob Kohl @ 1:102/861
>>> To: Christopher Baker @ 1:18/14
>>> Date: 25 Jan 98 14:12:53
>>> Subj: Re: Page Three, FidoNews

>>> Anytime a person takes on the responsibility of gathering data
>>> on an election, the data should be presented in a format to
>>> properly address the correct views of the candidates and not
>>> placed into a format To mislead the readers intentionally or
>>> otherwise.

> Agreed and every attempt was made via the Z1_ELECTION echo to
> provide all candidates the opportunity to answer something not
> previously answered, change a position, or further clarify any
> an all. Bob did with two questions and I'm at a complete loss
> as to why he didn't with the rest which follow.

I'm at a complete loss to understand how Andrea ignored my answers

If she'd been keeping up with the reading and the candidates posts
in the echo, she would have noted my answers. Again, it is easily
assumed that when someone decides to take the responsibility or
collecting and reporting the date from the election, that the person
that decides to do so will do so in an impartial manner. It would
appear that Andrea cannot.

>>> If indeed there is a question of not receiving an answer
>>> given the occasional quirk of echomail. The person gathering
>>> the data should request the data either in the echo or via
>>> netmail.

> This also was done via the Z1_ELECTION echo when the first table
> was presented.
FIDONEWS 15-05 Page 3 2 Feb 1998

And yet Andrea still ignored the answers that were posted in the
echo to either the individuals that posted the questions or all.
She still limits the format so that any question that requires an
explanation more then just the simple yes/no format does not
receive proper representation.

deletions:

>> Answer Legend:

>> Y Yes/Agrees to question/Issue
>> N No/Disagrees to question/Issue
>> U Undecided, Yes/No wasn't provided
>> ? No answer was received

>> Candidate Abbreviation:

>> JB Jim Balcom
>> DC David Calafrancesco
>> WL Wayne DeLisle
>> JG John Glinski
>> BK Bob Kohl
>> ML Mike Luther
>> JS Jeff Smith

>> Election Issues Candidate Position Summary
>> +===============================================================
>> =+
>> |Questions/Issues | JB | DC | WL | JG | BK | ML| JS
>> |
>> |===============================================================
>> -|
>> |Prefer elections for echomail | Y | Y | Y | Y | N | ? | Y
>> |positions versus appointments? | | | | | | |
>> |

>>> My views are that I'd prefer to see the best person for the job
>>> in the job, be it by appointment or election. I've seen problems
>>> with both means.

> Bob's views were stated several times on this in the echo, and the
> answer still stands as No.

Which is incorrect. There are still no standards other then P4. Each
region has it's own standards from RC down as to how they're handling
this issue. This is up to the regions until such time as a standard
is established or P4 is amended. I do not believe in micro-management.

> Had the question been asked, "Prefer appointments for
> echomail vs. elections," the correct answer, based on Bob's
> response, would still be No. Bob clearly indicates he has "NO"
> preference, and only wishes to see the "best person for the job, in
> the job". The question is one of "preference". There is NO
> preference in Bob's answer.

That is correct, and therefore you've invalidated your own format
FIDONEWS 15-05 Page 4 2 Feb 1998

Andrea. I have no preference on this issue.

>> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+--
>> |
>> |Experience moving large | Y | Y | Y | N | ? | N | Y
>> |volumes of mail? | | | | | | |
>> |

>>> Yes I have experience as a mail mover.

> This was not answered previously, hence the ?

Again, if Andrea is going to take on the responsibility of collecting
data for the sake of informing the sysops, she should also keep up
with the reading in the echo.

>> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+--
>> |Have you ever been an REC? | Y | Y | N | N | Y | N | N

>>> Somewhat misleading, one was a temp or interim REC.

> This comment is with reference to candidate David Calafrancesco.
> The question does not stipulate a timeframe for serving in this
> position. There is nothing misleading about it. David served in
> the position of REC. There was nothing in the original question
> regarding how long, permanent, temp, interim or anything else.

Misleading in the sense that the sysops are not clearly informed
as to the experience levels. There is a large difference between
an active, seated and functioning REC then just an interim REC.
The sysops should be aware of this. There has only been two active
REC's from Reg 13 since I have been an REC and they have been Jim
Balcom and Rick Ashworth. Even David's participation in the effort
to get this election going was minimal. To understand this better,
any person that was an REC at any time has access to the RECC echo.

>> |Any axes to grind? | Y | N | Y | N | ? | N | N
>> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+--

>>> No. My answer to this was approached on a humorous basis.

> Actually, Bob's "response" could have been marked as Y, N, U, or ?

It would appear that in Andrea's opinion, the world is black and
white as all answers should be.

> The original response was "only as the person that had the wet
> stone". Bob went on to say, closely paraphrasing, that no matter
> what the exchange, if a net matter came up, the nonsense would be
> dropped. Still doesn't address the specific question...do you have
> any axes to grind, and not if this, then that.

> It was a tough question and darn near impossible to mark based on
> Bob's answer.

This is correct, ergo the format Andrea has used is invalid.
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> It could not be marked as a NO, because he didn't say NO. Couldn't
> mark it as a YES for the same reason. Couldn't mark as U because
> something was offered, though it was so widely open to
> interpretation, I felt the only fair way to go was to mark it as a ?
> and allow him to come back and clarify. He didn't.

This was clear from the day I answered it. If Andrea chose to ignore
this, then she again misrepresents the answers.

>> |Elimination of *EC chain? | N | N | N | N | ? | N | N

>>> No.

> This was not answered previously, hence the ?

Yes it was.

>> |Do you want an Assistant? | Y | U | U | N | ? | Y | ?

>>> No, I do not.

> This was not answered previously, hence the ?

Please keep up with the posts in the echo, or check your links
Andrea.

>> |Support CRP BAN of Software? | Y | Y | ? | N | ? | N | N
>> |

> No, we've worked through all the problems we've seen with software
> without a "Ban", excom's, PC's, or whatever.

> This was not answered previously, hence the ?

This is fair enough, this one I hadn't answered.

> With this submission to Fidonews, Bob has now answered several more
> questions which had previously been unanswered. A few unanswered
> questions still remain. I will note these answers on my personal
> table, however, it would have been great to get those answers while
> I was making revisions, where everyone had the opportunity to do
> this, and not after the fact. Bob did specifically clarify two
> previous answers, and I made the change/notes available with the
> revised table. He has not questioned those notes in this message.

He hasn't? ;)

> So we're left with a question Bob feels is misleading with reference
> to another candidate. The way the question is posed, the answer
> indicated is 100% factual.

The question was posed to mislead. Intentional or not.

> The candidate in question served as an REC. Makes not
> one bit of difference if it was for 1 month or 5 years. He served
> in that capacity.
FIDONEWS 15-05 Page 6 2 Feb 1998

It makes quite a difference and the sysops should be aware of it.

> And we're also left with the "preference" issue regarding elections
> or appointments. Bob has clearly indicated NO preference on this
> matter. I'll take this further, based on actions. Bob is currently
> the acting RC and REC of Region 10 for a few years.

Poor use of the language. I am not the "acting" RC, I am the RC.

> There have been no elections for
> either post since he took on those positions. Bob's own actions
> clearly indicate he holds no preference for elections vs.
> appointments.

Andrea also ignores the posts originating in late Dec where I once
again state the disposition of the REC 10 position which will be
passed at the end of the election.

She's ignored my statement that I felt I had something to accomplish
in "ramrodding" the effort this get this election done (Jim Balcoms'
word). I got the election going and can retire the R10EC hat on a
high note.

She further ignores the posts in the echo that noted my commitment
made to the position of the RC. I honor those commitments even those
made to someone I don't care for. I've revived Reg 10 with the help
of several good people and have a commitment to it.

Andrea has clearly shown that she was not impartial in the collecting
of this date nor the way she presented it. As Ken Tuley notes:

Date: 25 Jan 98 09:26:00
From: Ken Tuley
To: Andrea Santos
Subj: Validity
______________________________________________________________________
* Originally to ANDREA SANTOS in the Z1_ELECTION echo.

Quoting ANDREA SANTOS to GARY GILMORE on 23 Jan 98 11:36:50...

> Why don't we call a spade a spade? No matter how I would have
> proceeded with this table, you would have objected solely on the
> grounds that _I_ produced it.

That may be true for some people, but as far as I'm concerned, the
only thing that ought to be made clear is that the table consists of
=your= interpretation of candidates' statements and positions and not
a compilation of direct candidate input. Then people would be able to
read it for what it as: =your= opinion.

-=ken=-

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--- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Sun Feb 01 19:20:11 1998

From: Bob Kohl @ 1:102/861
To: Christopher Baker @ 1:18/14
Date: 01 Feb 98 13:48:02
Subj: Re: Election issues: Candidate Answers

> * Forwarded from 1:102/861, Conniption BBS in Los Angeles CA
> * Originally to ALL in the Z1_ELECTION echo.

> The following revised and final table is a summary of the election
> issues and the pro and con positions candidates have toward the
> issues or questions presented in the Z1_ELECTION echo. The
> revisions are incorporated as requested by candidates who
> missed questions the first time around, or wished to change their
> positions. One additional question has also been added to the
> original list. There are also several brief notes from the
> candidates, following the table, to clarify why no answer, or
> definitive yes/no response, was provided.

> The issues and questions were selected by going through the message
> base questions posted to the candidates by various participants in
> the Z1_ELECTION echo. A sampling of 20 key issues or questions were
> selected.

> I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all the candidates for
> their participation in this election and for their time in answering
> the many questions posed throughout the campaign period.

> And to all other Fidonet members in Zone 1, get out there and vote!

> Answer Legend:

> Y Yes/Agrees to question/Issue
> N No/Disagrees to question/Issue
> U Undecided, Yes/No wasn't provided
> ? No answer was received

> Candidate Abbreviation:

> JB Jim Balcom
> DC David Calafrancesco
> WL Wayne DeLisle
> JG John Glinski
> BK Bob Kohl
> ML Mike Luther
> JS Jeff Smith

> Election Issues Candidate Position Summary
>
+===================================================================+
> |Questions/Issues | JB | DC | WL | JG | BK | ML | JS
| >
|===================================================================|
> |How long have you been a | | | | | | |
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| > |Fidonet Sysop (answer in years) | 8+ | 8+ | ? | 3 | 10+| 10+| 6
| > |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+--
--|
> |Would you continue with other | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | N | N
|
> |FTN positions if elected ZEC? | | | | | | |
| > |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+--
--|
> |Support an echomail policy? | Y | Y | N | Y | Y | Y | Y
| > |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+--
--|
> |Support a Z1 Ombudsman? | N | N | U | N | N | N | N
| > |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+--
--|
> |Echo Appeal Court for users | N | N | N | N | N | N | N
|
> |abused by Moderators? | | | | | | |
| > |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+--
--|
> |Prefer elections for echomail | Y | Y | Y | Y | N | Y | Y
|
> |positions versus appointments? | | | | | | |
|

Once again, misleading.

I have no clear preference on this issue. I feel that sysop level
input is crucial as noted in the way we set up this election.
However until such time as there is a standard or P4 is amended
the regions deal with this in their own way. I do not believe
in micro-management.

> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----
|
> |Experience moving large | Y | Y | Y | N | ? | N | Y
|
> |volumes of mail? | | | | | | |
|

Again: yes. I do note she spotting my response in the news and yet
decided not to incorporate it. She did not spot the answer in the
echo and I answered this at least twice.

> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----
|
> |Any axes to grind? | Y | N | Y | N | ? | N | N
| > |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+--
--|

Again misleading.

> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----
|
> |Do you want an Assistant? | N | U | U | N | ? | Y | U
| > |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+--
--|
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As noted, no.

> |Support CRP BAN of Software? | Y | Y | ? | N | ? | N | N
| > |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+--
--|

As noted, no. We've worked through our problems out here in reg 10
without bans, without EXCOM's or PC's.

> |Support CRP BAN of Sysops? | Y | Y | ? | N | ? | N | N
| > |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+--
--|

As noted, absolutely NOT per the above.

> |Mail Tampering before export? | Y | U | ? | N | ? | N | N
> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----

As noted, I support and will actively seek to end this. There should
be a hub standard that puts an end to mail tampering based on moods,
agenda's, etc.

> |Conflict of interest for *C, | N | U | N | Y | N | N | Y |
> |*EC to create, operate | | | | | | |
> |distribution system? | | | | | | |

Again.. misleading. As I've noted in the election echo, I think it
is a conflict of interest for the ZEC to run a distribution system.
The ZEC should NOT be affiliated in any way, shape or form with a
distribution system. I also think at this time it's impractical to
enforce this on a REC level since we have or had three REC's running
distribution systems.

In the future this is something that could stand to be resolved,
since up until recently is was considered a conflict of interest
for an REC to do so.

> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----
|
> |Should *C's be involved with | ? | Y | Y | Y | U | Y | ?
> |file distribution?

Misleading. The filebone, filegate, etc is not an issue for the ZEC
in my opinion.

> |Does REC/ZEC have control over | Y | N | U | Y | ? | Y | N
> |NEC/REC? | | | | | | |
> +------------------------------------------------------------------

The ZEC works with the REC's who work with the NEC's. The ZEC should
be able to work with the REC's who should be able to work with the
NEC's.

> D. Calafrancesco: Supports echomail policy which guards against
> excommunication.

FIDONEWS 15-05 Page 10 2 Feb 1998

Incorrect. David has noted he opposes an echomail policy.

> B. Kohl: Stated it would be a conflict of interest for a
> ZEC to create/operate distribution system, but
> would not be a conflict for other *C, *EC
> positions.

> Did not provide an answer on *C's being involved
> with file distribution as he states it's not a
> ZEC issue.

It would have been so much easier had Andrea re-formatted her "data".
It would have been far more beneficial to the sysops had she imparted
this date impartially.

BK

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--- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Sun Feb 01 19:20:25 1998

From: Bob Kohl @ 1:102/861
To: Christopher Baker @ 1:18/14
Date: 01 Feb 98 13:51:21
Subj: assorted

If anyone is interested, my platform is at:

OEONLINE.COM/~GARYG/KOHL

BK

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--- Following message extracted from FIDONEWS @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Thu Jan 29 02:15:32 1998

From: Maurice Kinal
To: Ron Bemis
Date: 27 Jan 98 10:49:16
Subj: Re: kiss it goodbye

27 Jan 98 06:49, Ron Bemis wrote to Vincent Kaye:

VK>> And so it goes...we had a dish on Net3618 and it disappeared and
VK>> also on Net3666 and it disappeared...what gives...Fidoscism?

RB> Why do you continue to ignore the moderator here and post off-
RB> topic messages?

Please forgive my ignorance of the inner workings of Fido and the only
reason I ask is that I would really like to know;
FIDONEWS 15-05 Page 11 2 Feb 1998

Where are comments like the above allowable? Is there a forum in Fido
where people are accorded a chance to critique where they perceive to
be problems in their small part of this wonderful world of cyberspace?

I realize that this being listed as FidoNews that perhaps comments
should be limited to FidoNews but it seems with the 5 or 6 different
Fido administration areas there could be one where just about anything
goes as long as it pertains to Fido, such as the above comment. In
all honesty I don't have a complaint about what goes on with Fido in
my particular neck of the woods since everyone here seems to stick to
the straight and narrow (i.e. no planned coups or anything like that
or at least that I am aware of <g>) but it would be nice to be able to
see what is happening, or perceived to be happening, in other parts of
the world which is one of the reasons I signed up with Fido. That and
the fact that I don't care much for the glitz with the little or no
substance of www. But that's a different can of worms ... or is it?
<g>

Please consider this message as my "letter to the editor" as well as
an "inquiring minds want to know" kind of thingy.

Yours To Consider,
Maurice Kinal

Origin: Wandering Point - > Ladysmith, BC (1:351/255.1)

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--- Following message extracted from FIDONEWS @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Thu Jan 29 02:16:10 1998

From: Ron Bemis
To: Maurice Kinal
Date: 27 Jan 98 18:19:40
Subj: Re: kiss it goodbye

VK>> And so it goes...we had a dish on Net3618 and it disappeared and
VK>> also on Net3666 and it disappeared...what gives...Fidoscism?

RB> Why do you continue to ignore the moderator here and post off-
RB> topic messages?

MK> Please forgive my ignorance of the inner workings of Fido
MK> and the only reason I ask is that I would really like to know;

MK> Where are comments like the above allowable? Is there a
MK> forum in Fido where people are accorded a chance to
MK> critique where they perceive to be problems in their small
MK> part of this wonderful world of cyberspace?

There are certainly echos to discuss almost anything you'd like.
There are hundreds of echos, some with very specific topics, some with
more general ones. Find one that suits your needs for the topic you
want to discuss. I'd like to follow this echo, but don't care about
FIDONEWS 15-05 Page 12 2 Feb 1998

Vincent's paranoia and childish whinings. The moderator has asked him
to get back on topic. Vincent has ignored Chris's request. As is the
case with most of the busy backboned echos with a huge signal to noise
ratio, I'll probably just end up turning this one off because there's
so little on-topic content. This, to me, is the real reason behind
the "death of Fidonet".

Origin: Nibbles & Bytes, 1-972-231-3841 (1:124/1113)

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--- Following message extracted from FIDONEWS @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Thu Jan 29 02:16:43 1998

From: Zorch Frezberg
To: Maurice Kinal
Date: 27 Jan 98 22:19:29
Subj: Re: kiss it goodbye

In a msg on <Jan 27 10:49>, Maurice Kinal of 1:351/255.1
writes to Ron Bemis:

VK>>> And so it goes...we had a dish on Net3618 and it
VK>>> disappeared and also on Net3666 and it disappeared...what
VK>>> gives...Fidoscism?

RB>> Why do you continue to ignore the moderator here and post
RB>> off-topic messages?

MK> Please forgive my ignorance of the inner workings of Fido and the
MK> only reason I ask is that I would really like to know;
MK> Where are comments like the above allowable? Is there a forum in
MK> Fido where people are accorded a chance to critique where they
MK> perceive to be problems in their small part of this wonderful
MK> world of cyberspace?

(With apologies to Our Editor...)

First, this is a forum for the _Editor_ of FidoNews to receive
articles for inclusion in FidoNews, as well as for pretty much
discussion of items of interest for inclusion in future articles.

If Vincent Kaye had bothered to take his ideas and express them in a
coherent manner, as an article for submission, then he would have been
'on topic'.

Second, had he been discussing an article already published, then the
NEWSCHAT echo would be the likely place to discuss.

Third, a look at the EchoList and other distributions would indicate
several areas, but specifically, those based on both FidoNet and
SysOps would be the likely ones to look into, such as:

FN_SYSOP
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SYSOP
SYSOP_ISSUES
SYSOPS
Z1_CHAT
Z1_FIDONET
Z1_POLITICAL

and that's a start. There is also DEBATE, REAL FREE SPEECH, FLAME and
others where it may not be _on_ topic, but close enough to be allowed.

Vincent, on the other hand, is pretty much just wasting electrons with
his antics here, though I haven't been too vocal in arguing against
him...if he pushes the envelope too far, then Our Editor will know how
to deal with him.

<shrug>

MK> Please consider this message as my "letter to the editor" as well
MK> as an "inquiring minds want to know" kind of thingy.

Seems that you've caught on...and also asked a few questions some
moderators need to examine. As moderator of FN_SYSOP, you've put me
on the spot with a couple of your comments, and I'm going to have to
re-examine the purposes of the echo and how it is listed.

Thanks!

-zf-

Origin: Fido Bites It's Masters...What Next? (1:205/1701)

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--- Following message extracted from FIDONEWS @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Sat Jan 31 04:34:47 1998

From: Michele Stewart
To: Bill Whitehouse
Date: 28 Jan 98 10:58:38
Subj: kiss it goodbye

> According to Wayne Delisle Sr. (1:379/33) on Thu, Jan 22 at 13:48:
>
>BW> Kiss it goodbye. Our current coordinators want the network all
>BW> to themselves. And that's what they'll get.
>
>WDS> You might want to stay around for a few months. Things will
>WDS> change.
>
> You think? I see no evidence of it but I hope so. I know I
> got something out of the ten years I spent at this. Exactly what,
> I'm hard pressed to say.

You've made no friends? Learned nothing new? Didn't have your mind
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challenged in any way? Didn't share your opinions or ideas with anyone
else?

I've been in Fidonet since 1988... the same amount of time you claim,
Bill. I've not only gotten a husband out of the ten years I spent at
this, I got a sense of community. I've made friends, influenced
people, learned new ideas, helped see a wall come down between
countries, watched another join the free world from the people's point
of view. I travelled to the Gulf Coast with strangers, who's parents,
spouses and siblings became my friends and I helped them keep in touch
with those they loved far away. I learned of a friend of my friend's
children who got kidnapped, abused and murdered. I aided the victims
of Hurricane Hugo, was aided by others for Hurricane Andrew, sent
sympathy, canned foods and blankets to earthquake victims and shared
the ups and downs of this country and others with strangers who have
become friends. I can travel the world and find someone I "know"
almost anywhere I go. Someone who will buy me a cup of coffee, show
me the sights or even put me up for a few days. I've had good times
and bad times, seen petty squabbling, friendship poems and jokes.

I don't know about you, Bill, but I got alot of something out of the
ten years I spent at this. Exactly what I'm not hard pressed to say,
just hard pressed to limit to one page without boring the bejeesus out
of others. LOL I wish you the best and hope you find whatever you're
looking for wherever you're looking for it! :)

.\\ichele

Origin: SunShine PCBoard, So. Florida * (1:369/21)

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From: [email protected]
X-Sender: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:38:27
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Indonesia wants Fido!
Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected]

Might this interested... Zone 6 ASIA is not longer in service.
Duh, to where else I must request FidoNet node address and to get
FidoNet flow over here (Indonesia)??? :-(

I'm getting desperate and tired with FidoNet... please anybody help
me.........

-wp
Widjoen Pradjitno
Jakarta, INDONESIA

>X-Sender: [email protected]
>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32)
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:59:49 +0800
FIDONEWS 15-05 Page 15 2 Feb 1998

>To: Ivan Shim <[email protected]>
>From: Wing Lee <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: Indonesia wants Fido!
>Cc: [email protected]
>
>
>>> BTW, how my node address request going/status? I really desperate
>>> and stuck with node request to Singapore (ASEAN Host). Could you
>>> tell to Wing Lee this situation?
>>
>>Please contact Wing Lee directly at [email protected]
>
>FidoNet in ASIA does not exist anymore. Please contact Zone 6 gate.
>I hope they can help you.

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--- Following message extracted from FN_SYSOP @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Sat Jan 31 04:33:48 1998

From: Shinji Nishikawa
To: All
Date: 30 Jan 98 12:22:23
Subj: Z6

Hello All,

I belong to Net732 in R63. We have a big problem. Our RC was already
got out of FidoNet (his BBS closed) about 6 months ago. I have
nothing to do for changing my BBS' telephone number. Our Z6C, he post
to the local echo in zone6 called ZONE6SYSOP saying that he wants to
quit Z6C, but no one answers except me. He seems to stop any job for
nodediff. I've never receive any diff files for a few months. Looking
at my Net732. My NC of 732, he also wants to quit NC, not only NC,
but also a FidoNet node, he said. He also stopped take care of
Nodelist. Several nodes in 732, but only 2 nodes are active and open
as a FidoNet BBS. Others were closed or unlink FidoNet.

Z6's gate has no carry this echo, so no meaning to ask them to come
out. For me, I see this because I link a node in the US via ftp. I
want to see all echoes. Many sysops quit, but FidoNet is still fun
to me. I can do something for N732, R63 and even Z6. I'm willing to
do for FidoNet. I want to refresh N732, R63 as well as Z6. How can I
do? Does someone give me a good idea? Any suggestions are welcome.

Best Regards,

Shinji 6:732/10.0

Origin: A F O L (Osaka, Japan) afol.xg.com (6:732/10)

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=================================================================
COLUMNS
=================================================================

[Here we are at the second meeting of BBS Anonymous. Those of you
who have been paying attention might recall that we were listening
to the sad story of Pete S., presently at the depths of despair -
a hopeless BBSoholic - shunned by former friends, maxxed out on
his plastic for faster modems and quicker cpu's (hah! - 386/33
with 2 megs running bink/squish/max), shadowed everywhere by his
local telco so he won't try to leave town. As the scene fades
into focus, Pete S. continues his tale of woe:]

.................well, this Long Distance chippin' was getting me
down - I explained it to the wife as like a trip to the drugstore to
pick up a magazine - and I was really wishing somebody would bring
Fido to our town - or at least, our calling area. And it finally
happened! I was so happy! Now, I could get my fixes on a local
call! Somebody wanted to set up a BBS in our town, (I didn't at that
time understand how or why) and I would get to use it! A Marriage
Made In Heaven!

And that's what it seemed to be - for a little while. But then I
began to see that there were Fidoboards, and there were fidoboards.
This one used crummy software - a lot of options that I had become
used to weren't offered with this one. At first, it didn't carry my
favorite echoes, then he got a PC dish, and tried to carry them
_all_! The whole backbone! You can imagine what it was like to
find your way around _that_ menu structure! But worst of all, he
turned out to be a game freak! So it was well-nigh impossible to
find a time that you could get in there and get a .qwk packet. Every
little gamoholic in town had his autodialer going to find that window
in between the other gamers. When the BBS went to two lines - he was
charging money for using the games, so he could afford it - it got
even worse. Now, the kids were playing games in real-time, online,
with each other! 23 hours a day! Just imagine; an info-freak locked
into a town with only an online video arcade! The Marriage was in
trouble!

To make things worse, I had up till then been turning some of my
friends on to the wonders of Fido, and had been selling and installing
modems for them so that they could enjoy this marvelous thing, too.
And they would see me on the street, and I would ask them how they
were enjoying the BBS. And they would tell me, "I don't know, I gave
up trying, I can never get in, it's always busy, what's so hot about
this thing, anyway?"

I began to get lightheaded. The sound of busy signals started to
get to my very inner psyche. That's all I can imagine to explain my
next move. A young friend of mine got ahold of a distribution copy of
a well-known but inferior "instant BBS" and ran the install program
one evening when he had a half-hour to spare, and phoned me and asked
me to call it and play around a bit.

Whoa! My first taste of Overproof! This thing looked like a BBS!
We went into chat mode, and I asked him what had been involved in
FIDONEWS 15-05 Page 17 2 Feb 1998

setting it up. He told me he'd unzipped the distribution copy about
an hour before that, and bingo! I'd had no idea that these things
could be put together so fast! My brain started calculating the cost
of an extra computer to run this thing full time, and the price of a
phone line, and I was HOOKED! I was going to the city the next week
anyway, and I returned with a beat-up Zenith 286 with 640K, and ST251,
and a 2400 baud modem. I would make the world safe for serious
computer conferencers, info-freaks, and netmailers! No more being
stuck on busy waiting for your chance to download racy gifs and play
stupid games! Nossir; our town was going to move into the Future!

Fortunately, I called my friend in Burnaby before I started
anything serious. He straightened me up well; dissuaded me from the
instant BBS software to Max/Bink/Squish. Sent me copies, and then
even made a trip up (it was Spring - time for head-cleaning
roadtrips), bringing along a 2 meg 386 MB, and we gutted the Zenith.
We cobbled together a box which I'm still using lo these 5 or 6 years
later, consulted the nodelist,
and netmailed off a node number application. Last week I cudn't spell
sisop, and now I _are_ one! The beginning of my descent into hell.

---

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=================================================================
COORDINATORS CORNER
=================================================================

Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 030
By Ward Dossche, 2:292/854
ZC/2

+--------+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--+
!Zone/Jul!Ndl-002!Nodel.-009!Nodel.-016!Nodel.-023!Nodel.-030!%%!
+--------+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--+
! 1/023 ! 6199 ! 6142 -57! 6053 -89! 6020 -33! 6020 0!28!
! 2/030 ! 14538 !14501 -37!14439 -62!14406 -33!14360 -46!66!
! 3/023 ! 580 ! 570 -10! 570 0! 573 3! 566 -7! 3!
! 4/023 ! 435 ! 435 0! 425 -10! 424 -1! 410 -14! 2!
! 5/353 ! 91 ! 91 0! 91 0! 91 0! 91 0! 0!
! 6/016 ! 1091 ! 1091 0! 1091 0! 322 -769! 322 0! 1!
+--------+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--+
! 22934 !22830 -104!22669 -161!21836 -833!21769 -67!
+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+

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FIDONEWS 15-05 Page 19 2 Feb 1998

=================================================================
NET HUMOR
=================================================================

From: "Mike Riddle" <[email protected]>
To: "Baker, Christopher" <[email protected] (Christopher Baker)>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 98 15:21:55 -0600
Reply-To: "Mike Riddle" <[email protected]>
Subject: Fwd: Dough Boy Dies -Forwarded

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================

Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:16:13 -0600
From: Carla Noziglia <[email protected]>

"DOUGHBOY DIES"

Veteran Pillsbury spokesman Pop N. Fresh died yesterday of a severe
yeast infection.

He was 71. Fresh was buried in one of the largest funeral ceremonies
in recent years.

Dozens of celebrities turned out incuding Mrs. Butterworth, The
California Raisins, Hungry Jack, Betty Crocker, And the Hostess
Twinkies. The graveside was piled high with flours as longtime friend
Aunt Jemima delivered the eulogy, describing Fresh as a man who "never
knew how much he was kneaded."

Fresh rose quickly in show business, but his later life was filled
with many turnovers. He was not considered a very smart cookie,
wasting much of his dough on half baked schemes.

Still, even as a crusty old man, he was a roll model for millions.
Fresh is survived by his second wife. They have two children and one
in the oven.

The funeral will be tomorrow at 4:50 for about 20 minutes.

===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================

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=================================================================
NOTICES
=================================================================

Future History

6 Feb 1998
Waitangi Day, New Zealand.

30 Apr 1998
Queens Day, Holland.

17 May 1998
Independence Day, Norway.

22 May 1998
Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.

14 Sep 1998
Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].

22 Sep 1998
First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.

1 Dec 1998
Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
Tom Jennings.

24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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FIDONEWS 15-05 Page 21 2 Feb 1998

=================================================================
FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
=================================================================

[from 1449. Ed.]
Latest Greatest Software Versions
by Peter E. Popovich, 1:363/264

New entry: Tornado, a BBS from Konstantin Klyagin. Welcome to the
list... ;-)

-=- Snip -=-

Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column

OS Platform :
Software package name :
Version :
Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. :
Freeware / Shareware / Commercial? :
Author / Support staff contact name :
Author / Support staff contact node :
Magic name (at the above-listed node) :

Please include a sentence describing what the package does.

Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

-=- Snip -=-

MS-DOS:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Act-Up 4.6 G D Chris Gunn 1:15/55 ACT-UP
ALLFIX 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 ALLFIX
Announcer 1.12 O S Peter Karlsson 2:206/221 ANNOUNCE
BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOS_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_DOS
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
CheckPnt 1.0a O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 CHECKPNT
FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FASTECHO
FastEcho/16 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FEX
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTD
FidoBBS (tm) 12u B S Ray Brown 1:1/117 FILES
FrontDoor 2.12 M S JoHo 2:201/330 FD
FrontDoor 2.20c M C JoHo 2:201/330 FDINFO
GEcho 1.00 T S Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Plus 1.11 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GED
GoldED/386 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEX
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
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Imail 1.75 T S Michael McCabe 1:1/121 IMAIL
ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
InfoMail/86 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFOMAIL
InfoMail/386 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFO386
InterEcho 1.19 T C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IEDEMO
InterMail 2.29k M C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IMDEMO
InterPCB 1.52 O S Peter Stewart 1:369/35 INTERPCB
IPNet 1.11 O S Michele Stewart 1:369/21 IPNET
JD's CBV 1.4 O S John Dailey 1:363/277 CBV
Jelly-Bean 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY
Jelly-Bean/386 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY386
JMail-Hudson 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-H
JMail-Goldbase 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-G
MakePl 1.9 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MAKEPL
Marena 1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MARENA
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAX
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUE
McMail 1.0 M S Michael McCabe 1:1/148 MCMAIL
MDNDP 1.18 N S Bill Doyle 1:388/7 MDNDP
Msged 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41D.ZIP
Msged/386 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41X.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFD
NorthStar 3.31.29 B S A&B Darin 1:285/82 NSTAR
Opus CBCS 1.79 B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14 OPUS
O/T-Track 2.66 O S Peter Hampf 2:241/1090 OT
PcMerge 2.8 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
PlatinumXpress 1.3 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PX13TD.ZIP
QuickBBS 2.81 B S Ben Schollnick 1:2613/477 QUICKBBS
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR
RemoteAccess 2.50 B S Mark Lewis 1:3634/12 RA
Searchlight 4.5 B S Paul Casey 1:343/117 DEMO450.ZIP
Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT
Silver Xpress
Door 5.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 FILES
Reader 4.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 SXR44.ZIP
Spitfire 3.51 B S Mike Weaver 1:3670/3 SPITFIRE
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISH
StealTag UK 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_UK
StealTag NL 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_NL
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL
Telegard 3.02 B F Tim Strike 1:259/423 TELEGARD
Terminate 5.00 O S Bo Bendtsen 2:254/261 TERMINATE
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO
TosScan 1.01 T C JoHo 2:201/330 TSINFO
TransNet 1.00 G S Marc S. Ressl 4:904/72 TN100ALL.ZIP
TriBBS 11.0 B S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIBBS
TriDog 11.0 T F Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIDOG
TriToss 11.0 T S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRITOSS
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
WWIV 4.24a B S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIV
WWIVTOSS 1.36 T S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIVTOSS
xMail 2.00 T S Thorsten Franke 2:2448/53 XMAIL
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XRDOS

OS/2:
FIDONEWS 15-05 Page 23 2 Feb 1998

Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ALLFIX/2 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 AFIXOS2
BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BOS2_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_OS2
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FE2
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLST
FleetStreet 1.21 O S Michael Hohner 2:2490/2520 FLEET
FP-OS/2 97-03-21 O F Mike Bilow 323/107 FPOS2
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXP
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUEP
Msged/2 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41O.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEF
PcMerge 2.3 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR2
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISHP
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL2
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO2
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XROS2

Windows (16-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
FrontDoor APX 1.12 P S Mats Wallin 2:201/329 FDAPXW

Windows (32-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Argus 95/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 A9I
Argus NT/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ANI
BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BW32_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_W32
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTW
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXN
Msged/NT 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41W.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFW
PlatinumXpress 2.00 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PXW-INFO
Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAILNT
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WinFOSSIL/95 1.12 r4 F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 WNFOSSIL.ZIP
WinFOSSIL/NT 1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 NTFOSSIL.ZIP

Unix:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ifmail 2.12 M G Eugene Crosser 2:293/2219 IFMAIL
ifmail-tx ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX
ifmail-tx.rpm ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX.RPM
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK

Amiga:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
CrashMail 1.31 T X Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHMAIL
CrashTick 1.2 O F Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHTICK
DLG Pro BBOS 1.15 B C Holly Sullivan 1:202/720 DLGDEMO
GMS 1.1.85 M S Mirko Viviani 2:331/213 GMS
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
TrapDoor 1.86.b2 M S Maximilian Hantsch
2:310/6 TRAPDOOR
TrapToss 1.50 T S Rene Hexel 2:310/6 TRAPTOSS

Atari:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ApplyList 1.00 N F Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH
BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2 M F Bill Scull 1:363/112 BINKLEY
BTNC 2.00 N G Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 BTNC
JetMail 0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker 2:2432/1101 JETMAIL
Semper 0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten 2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA

Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser,
C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will
be listed by the first match.

Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial,
X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source

Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

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FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY
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File-request FNEWSKEY from 1:1/23 [1:18/14] or download it from the
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1 ZMH at 1200-9600+ HST/V32B. The FidoNews key is also available on
the FidoNews homepage listed in the Masthead information.

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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as
of this appearance.

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FidoNet:

Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html
HTML FNews http://www.fidonews.org
WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
FTSC page http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/ftsc.htm
Echomail http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html
WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html

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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org

Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

Region 13: http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm

Region 14: [disappeared?]

Region 15: [disappeared?]

Region 16: http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm

Region 17: http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm
REC17: http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/

Region 18: http://www.citicom.com/fido.html

Region 19: http://www.compconn.net

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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org

ZEC2: http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/zec.htm
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/

Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German)

Region 25:
http://www.trak-one.co.uk/net254

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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (in French)

Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (in Swiss)

Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian)

Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (in Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr

Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English)

Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl

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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

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Zone 4: (not yet listed)

Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish)

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Zone 5: http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org

Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China)

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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------

Editor: Christopher Baker

Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
Donald Tees

"FidoNews Editor"
FidoNet 1:1/23
BBS 1-904-409-7040, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(ds)

more addresses:
Christopher Baker -- 1:18/14, [email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

(Postal Service mailing address)
FidoNews Editor
P.O. Box 471
Edgewater, FL 32132-0471
U.S.A.

voice: 1-904-409-3040 [1400-2100 ET only, please]
[1800-0100 UTC/GMT]

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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
FidoNews.

Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
Copyright 1998 Christopher Baker. All rights reserved. Duplication
and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For
use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or
the Editor.

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OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or
file-request, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet.
PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request
FNEWS for the current month in one archive. Or file-request specific
FIDONEWS 15-05 Page 29 2 Feb 1998

back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSFnn.ZIP] for a
particular Issue. Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP
where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
current year [8], i.e., FNWSJAN8.ZIP for all the Issues from Jan 98.

Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
1 - 15 for 1984 - 1998, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in
size from 48K to 1.4M.

INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:

http://www.fidonews.org
http://www.fidonet.org/fidonews.htm
ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.aminet.org/pub/aminet/comm/fido/
ftp://ftp.irvbbs.com/fidonews/

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You may obtain an email subscription to FidoNews by sending email to:

[email protected]

with a Subject line of: subscribe fnews-edist

and no message in the message body. To remove your name from the email
distribution use a Subject line of: unsubscribe fnews-edist with no
message to the same address above.

*

You may retrieve current and previous Issues of FidoNews via FTPMail
by sending email to:

[email protected]

with a Subject line of: help

and FTPMail will immediately send a reply containing details and
instructions. When you actually make a file request, FTPMail will
respond in three stages. You find a link for this process on
www.fidonews.org.

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You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at:

http://www.fidonews.org

STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request -
Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from:

ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/

Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
FIDONEWS 15-05 Page 30 2 Feb 1998

for that year's issues. The total set is currently about 13 Megs.

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The current week's FidoNews and the FidoNews public-key are now also
available almost immediately after publication on the Editor's new
homepage on the World Wide Web at:

http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html

There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an email
link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over.

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A PGP generated public-key is available for the FidoNews Editor from
1:1/23 [1:18/14] by file-request for FNEWSKEY or by download from
Rights On! BBS at 1-904-409-7040 as FIDONEWS.ASC in File Area 18. It
is also posted twice a month into the PKEY_DROP Echo available on the
Zone 1 Echomail Backbone.

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SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews Editor, or file-requestable
from 1:1/23 [1:18/14] as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". ALL Zone Coordinators
also have copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it.

"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141,
and are used with permission.

"Disagreement is actually necessary,
or we'd all have to get in fights
or something to amuse ourselves
and create the requisite chaos."
-Tom Jennings

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