F I D O N E W S -- Volume 15, Number 4 26 January 1998
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DENVER Broncos WIN the Super Bowl!
Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
ZEC1 Election, Missing in Action - Z6? ................... 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2
Election issues: Candidate Answers ....................... 2
Page Three, FidoNews - a response ........................ 4
Sorry for the SPAM, just trying to help .................. 6
What is annoying behavior? ............................... 7
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 9
ZEC1 Candidate, Bob Kohl, Platform statement ............. 9
Proposal to merge Internet and Fidonet mailers ........... 13
Netscape is FREE NOW! .................................... 13
Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator Election Voting Procedure .... 16
4. COLUMNS .................................................. 24
I'm a BBSaholic, Part I .................................. 24
5. COORDINATORS CORNER ...................................... 26
Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 023 ...... 26
6. NET HUMOR ................................................ 27
What the Organization Chart doesn't tell you ............. 27
7. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 29
Announcing the WRESTLING_CHAT Echo ....................... 29
8. NOTICES .................................................. 30
Future History ........................................... 30
9. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................................. 31
Latest Greatest Software Versions ........................ 31
And more!
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EDITORIAL
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Zone 1 Echomail weenies are into their election with a vengeance in
this edition. If you don't follow the admin Echos, you're missing a
swell slugfest of verbal abuse. This Issue which up to a couple days
ago was going to be one of the shortest in history has swollen to
gargantuan proportions with that stuff.
Speaking of Zones, what in the hell is going on with Zone 6? Anybody
noticed that it's just about disappeared? Why do we still have NO
International Coordinator? Do we, the Sysops, have to take over the
Zone Coordinator jobs en masse with a palace coup to get some kind of
REAL coordination going? Remember, ZCs, that Tom Jennings, under whose
auspices you use the name FidoNet has always been in favor of
wholesale overthrow when the procedure interferes with the process.
WAKE UP and smell the electrons before you ALL find yourselves out of
your VOLUNTEER [which doesn't mean permanent OR inactive] jobs in
FidoNet. Nobody is indispensable or irreplaceable. Think about it and
then DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE before WE do it for you.
Other than that, there is news in cyberspace. Netscape is now FREE!
There are also a couple new programs available in the Internet that
make interconnectivity a snap! More on those next week since this
edition is already huge. AOL Instant Messenger and ICQ for those
anxious to start searching. [grin]
This is a late edition due to computer probs on the other system and
the SuperBowl activities. Who'd a thunk it? Denver not wiped out? It's
tied! Oh, there's only 1 minute and 47 seconds to go. Might as well
wait for the outcome and be the first press to get out the news.
YIKES! Denver scores the lead with 1 minute and 45 seconds to go!
Final score: DENVER WINS! AMAZING! 31 to 24!! 2149!
C.B.
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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--- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Sat Jan 24 18:39:32 1998
From: Andrea Santos @ 1:135/382
To: Christopher Baker @ 1:18/14
Date: 24 Jan 98 18:07:08
Subj: Election issues: Candidate Answers
Hi Chris!
-------- Forwarded Message ---------
Original: DATE..... 24 Jan 1998, 04:38p
Original: FROM..... ANDREA SANTOS
Original: TO....... ALL
Original: SUBJECT.. Election issues: Candidate Answers
Original: FORUM.... Z1_ELECTION
Original: NETWORK.. FIDONET ECHO: Z1_ELECTION
The following revised and final table is a summary of the election
issues and the pro and con positions candidates have toward the issues
or questions presented in the Z1_ELECTION echo. The revisions are
incorporated as requested by candidates who missed questions the first
time around, or wished to change their positions. One additional
question has also been added to the original list. There are also
several brief notes from the candidates, following the table, to
clarify why no answer, or definitive yes/no response, was provided.
The issues and questions were selected by going through the message
base questions posted to the candidates by various participants in the
Z1_ELECTION echo. A sampling of 20 key issues or questions were
selected.
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all the candidates for
their participation in this election and for their time in answering
the many questions posed throughout the campaign period.
And to all other Fidonet members in Zone 1, get out there and vote!
Answer Legend:
Y Yes/Agrees to question/Issue
N No/Disagrees to question/Issue
U Undecided, Yes/No wasn't provided
? No answer was received
Candidate Abbreviation:
JB Jim Balcom
DC David Calafrancesco
WL Wayne DeLisle
JG John Glinski
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BK Bob Kohl
ML Mike Luther
JS Jeff Smith
Election Issues Candidate Position Summary
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|Questions/Issues | JB | DC | WL | JG | BK | ML | JS |
|===================================================================|
|How long have you been a | | | | | | | |
|Fidonet Sysop (answer in years) | 8+ | 8+ | ? | 3 | 10+| 10+| 6 |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Would you continue with other | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | N | N |
|FTN positions if elected ZEC? | | | | | | | |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Support an echomail policy? | Y | Y | N | Y | Y | Y | Y |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Support a Z1 Ombudsman? | N | N | U | N | N | N | N |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Echo Appeal Court for users | N | N | N | N | N | N | N |
|abused by Moderators? | | | | | | | |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Prefer elections for echomail | Y | Y | Y | Y | N | Y | Y |
|positions versus appointments? | | | | | | | |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Experience moving large | Y | Y | Y | N | ? | N | Y |
|volumes of mail? | | | | | | | |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Have you ever been an REC? | Y | Y | N | N | Y | N | N |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Have you ever been a RC? | N | N | N | N | Y | N | N |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Should # of hats worn be | Y | Y | Y | Y | ? | Y | Y |
|limited? | | | | | | | |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Any axes to grind? | Y | N | Y | N | ? | N | N |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Elimination of *EC chain? | N | N | N | N | N | N | N |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Does Zone 1 NEED a ZEC? | Y | Y | ? | Y | Y | Y | Y |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Do you want an Assistant? | N | U | U | N | ? | Y | U |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Support CRP BAN of Software? | Y | Y | ? | N | ? | N | N |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Support CRP BAN of Sysops? | Y | Y | ? | N | ? | N | N |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Mail Tampering before export? | Y | U | ? | N | ? | N | N |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Conflict of interest for *C, | N | U | N | Y | N | N | Y |
|*EC to create, operate | | | | | | | |
|distribution system? | | | | | | | |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Should *C's be involved with | ? | Y | Y | Y | U | Y | ? |
|file distribution? | | | | | | | |
|--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----|
|Does REC/ZEC have control over | Y | N | U | Y | ? | Y | N |
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|NEC/REC? | | | | | | | |
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Candidate notes:
J. Balcom: Stated he would not stand for R13EC election if
elected ZEC, unless requested by R13C.
Stated number of hats worn be limited, dependent
on voters.
D. Calafrancesco: Supports echomail policy which guards against
excommunication.
J. Glinski: Stated he would seek a replacement for his NEC
post but would continue on with Hub duties.
B. Kohl: Stated it would be a conflict of interest for a
ZEC to create/operate distribution system, but
would not be a conflict for other *C, *EC
positions.
Did not provide an answer on *C's being involved
with file distribution as he states it's not a
ZEC issue.
J. Smith Views ZEC position as working with REC rather
than controlling, but acknowledges that ZEC
Chairs RECC.
ANDREA SANTOS
[email protected]
http://www.santronics.com
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--- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Sun Jan 25 20:48:51 1998
From: Bob Kohl @ 1:102/861
To: Christopher Baker @ 1:18/14
Date: 25 Jan 98 14:12:53
Subj: Re: Page Three, FidoNews
Anytime a person takes on the responsibility of gathering data on an
election, the data should be presented in a format to properly address
the correct views of the candidates and not placed into a format to
mislead the readers intentionally or otherwise.
If indeed there is a question of not receiving an answer given the
occasional quirk of echomail. The person gathering the data should
request the data either in the echo or via netmail.
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 5 26 Jan 1998
The below information was incorrect as noted by at least 3 candidates.
I will only address those notations that concern me personally.
> Answer Legend:
> Y Yes/Agrees to question/Issue
> N No/Disagrees to question/Issue
> U Undecided, Yes/No wasn't provided
> ? No answer was received
> Candidate Abbreviation:
> JB Jim Balcom
> DC David Calafrancesco
> WL Wayne DeLisle
> JG John Glinski
> BK Bob Kohl
> ML Mike Luther
> JS Jeff Smith
> Election Issues Candidate Position Summary
> +==================================================================
> =+
> |Questions/Issues | JB | DC | WL | JG | BK | ML | JS
> |
> |==================================================================
> -|
> |Prefer elections for echomail | Y | Y | Y | Y | N | ? | Y
> |
> |positions versus appointments? | | | | | | |
> |
My views are that I'd prefer to see the best person for the job in the
job, be it by appointment or election. I've seen problems with both
means.
> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+---
> -|
> |Experience moving large | Y | Y | Y | N | ? | N | Y
> |
> |volumes of mail? | | | | | | |
> |
Yes I have experience as a mail mover.
> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+---
> -|
> |Have you ever been an REC? | Y | Y | N | N | Y | N | N
> |
Somewhat misleading, one was a temp or interim REC.
> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+---
> -|
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> |Any axes to grind? | Y | N | Y | N | ? | N | N
> |
> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+---
No. My answer to this was approached on a humorous basis.
> -|
> |Elimination of *EC chain? | N | N | N | N | ? | N | N
> |
No.
> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+---
> -|
> |Do you want an Assistant? | Y | U | U | N | ? | Y | ?
> |
> |--------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+---
No, I do not.
> -|
> |Support CRP BAN of Software? | Y | Y | ? | N | ? | N | N
> |
No, we've worked through all the problems we've seen with software
without a "Ban", excom's, PC's, or whatever.
Chris, thanks for giving me the opportunity to correct this
"information".
BK
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From: "Ed Koon" <
[email protected]>
To: <
[email protected]>
Subject: Re Populating Fidonet.
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:37:45 -0500
Chris.
I just wanted to comment on my mass advertisement in the Fidonet
backbone.
With our net dropping nodes like roaches from raid & down to just One
Caller, I thought I would try and attract new callers through the
Internet. I honestly didn't mean to rile so many moderators! And I
hope they can accept my apology!
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 7 26 Jan 1998
You have no idea how many folks out there don't have a local BBS
anymore to call. Lots are calling long distance. Others were told by
friends about my service. Even several moderators have praised my
service & hope it will help repopulate their echos. I honestly
believe Telnet Bbs's will become the Fidonet of the next century.
I have been in Fidonet since '91 & hope to help take FidoNet into the
millennium!
Sincerely,
Ed Koon 1:3603/140
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(USA!)
Email:
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--- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Sat Jan 24 00:58:13 1998
From: Nic Boie @ 1:282/3043
To: Editor @ 1:18/14
Date: 21 Jan 98 19:58:05
Subj: Letter to the Editor
This would be my second Letter to the Editor of FidoNews :)
Please place this in the next issue of FidoNews.
What is annoying behavior? Is it deliberately attacking
someone? Is it bad spelling? Maybe it's just stupidity. Since the
decline of BBS usage in the past year, I have noticed a major drop in
intelligence also. I really think you, being a node, should call some
local BBS's not in FidoNet, and encourage growth. There are some
groups around the world trying to promote BBSing and FidoNet. Maybe
we, the members of FidoNet, could start a collective cause to promote
this. Get donations from members, and run commercials on national
T.V. Remember, in the end, we are all in this together, the more BBS
callers, the more posts, the more posts, the more interest, the more
interest the more BBS's, the more NODES!
-Nic Boie '98
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ARTICLES
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ZEC1 Election Platform Statement
Bob Kohl
1:102/861
For the first time in the history of Zone 1 you the sysop now have
the ability to vote for a zone Admin position, the ZEC. This
unprecedented election allows the sysop to finally have a say in the
matters of echomail and the direction Fidonet takes in the years to
come in regards to echomail issues.
I feel that the next ZEC can have a positive influence on the state
of Fidonet since echomail is such an important part of Fidonet in
Zone 1.
As a candidate for the ZEC position I'd like to take a moment to
present my platform to you. No matter which candidate you prefer
I sincerely hope that you will make the effort to get out and vote
this election, it IS important for all of us as sysops in Zone 1.
==========================================
* To work to ensure that FidoNet remains a sysop/hobbyist network.
There will be no special or political interests served during
my watch.
* To work to insure that there will be no "official" FidoNet
echomail feed that controls or influences any other feed.
The sysops will remain free to get echomail wherever they wish to
without restriction in Z1, and that there will not be an "ECHOTAX"
or Zone CRP, or anything remotely resembling this on my watch.
Sysops will also be encouraged to develop new software and Fidonet
Technology.
* To work to insure that the *ECs remain the coordinators of
echomail and the people responsible for echomail issues.
* To work for a "hub standard", in the areas of tampering with the
mail flow, removal of echo areas from distribution, adding areas
for distribution as well as that of moderator rights.
With the established standard, the moderators and echo areas will
be treated equally and consistently.
It is my belief that the use of GMD and other such utilities used
against specific individuals or for personal agendas should cease.
Work with the *ECs, hubs and sysops to forge out a program to
deal with the hubs that will not respect these standards, which
might range from public postings that denote this to
possibly requesting that the ZC grant the ZEC the option of
issuing the hub flags to those nodes that wish to work within
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 10 26 Jan 1998
these standards. Any hub that does not agree to work within these
standards will not be issued a hub flag for their nodelist entry.
That a standard be established for any removals of echo areas
beyond the scope of Fidonet policy and these standards shall be
published in Fidonews regularly.
That any distribution systems, FAQs, policy and/or pledges shall
not exist contrary to these standards. It is not the intention of
the ZEC to micromanage distribution systems, but to make sure
that all echomail services are consistent and treated fairly.
* To encourage and work to maintain an active and responsible
group of RECs in Zone 1.
To ensure all regions equal representation to the RECC. My first
action will be a request to replace R16EC.
The RECs will be tasked with maintaining the flow of information
on important issues from the RECC to the sysops of their respective
regions. They will do the same with the feedback from the sysops
on these issues. The sysops will be represented.
I will make use of FidoNews to keep the sysops updated on all
issues currently being worked on.
* The RECC echo WILL be moderated to maintain the echo as a
environment conducive to getting work done in a positive and/or
constructive manner and not as a platform for any one agenda or
for abuse. Representatives from all major distribution systems
will be invited to participate as needed if they do not currently
have access.
I do not now, nor will I view the RECs as helpers or assistants,
nor do I view the ZEC as "The Boss". I view that the ZEC is
much like the chairman of the board when dealing with the
RECC, facilitating cooperation rather dictating or manipulating
it. No pontificating, no edicts from Mount Olympus, etc.
Although the RECC has taken it's share of abuse over the past
couple of years, we worked well to get the Z1EC election going
again and I'd like to make sure this continues.
I also feel that it would be appropriate for the RECs to also
participate in the ZEC echo to their discuss the point of view as
well as those of their regions on any given issue, as well as
having access to the ZEC in the ZEC echo.
* I would appoint a Z1 Webmaster to maintain a Z1 echomail web site
and coordinate the Z1 web site links. I realize that there are
already people working on this, however I would like to see
someone more aggressively coordinate this effort. The Z1 Webmaster
would also be there to help those folks that do not have but would
like to have web sites for their nets and regions.
The Z1 Web site would maintain information of echomail services,
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 11 26 Jan 1998
rates, the distribution services "pledges and FAQs", information
on FidoNet itself and what echomail is about; basically, a full
service FidoNet site with the emphasis on echomail.
* On the issue of EchoPol:
The effort to get an EchoPol established in Z1 will be done on
several levels.
First, with the moderator's permission, I will use the FIDOECHOPOL
echo for public discussions. These discussion will be segmented
into time periods as announced in FidoNews and in the echo.
This will not be a free for all, but an organized effort.
The admin discussion will take place on two levels: the RECC echo
with the aforementioned crossposting to the regional echo's and in
the C2C echo that was put in distribution for the all R* level
admin personnel to discuss issues across the board. Since both
these echoes are restricted, updates will be sent to FidoNews and
the FIDOECHOPOL echo as they develop.
Bringing the RCs into the discussion is imperative as I see
it, to establish guidelines on what they feel they can enforce
under an EchoPol as well as what should not be enforced. On this
basis was can more clearly define those gray areas as they pertain
to echomail and echopol. It is crucial that both sides are
involved in this, since echomail concerns the *ECs and yet it's
the *Cs that enforce Fidonet policy issues. This will also help
prevent any possible conflicting portions of EchoPol and help to
resolve across the board such issues as hubs removing or modifying
echomail either manually through the abuse of GMD and other
utilities, etc.
I will also get the *ECs, distribution systems and moderators that
care to participate in a discussion echo to resolve the issues of
UUEncoded files being posted in echo areas, a set of standardized
parameters for adding echoes to the distribution systems, removing
echoes and dropping echoes for low traffic.
Lastly, I'd like to get the moderators involved in one of the
moderator echoes to deal with issues that concern all of us: those
of moderator rights and of the hub standards on these issues. I
will most likely use the MODR8TR echo, since it is not restricted
and allows sysop input. This will of course depend on the
permission of the moderator of MODR8TR. A discussion of a cut
request
standard will also be addressed.
EchoPol will be developed with sysop level input as the election
was.
*My views on specific points:*
* Sysop level input is as crucial as it was to this election.
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 12 26 Jan 1998
* Mail moving:
I do not believe that the hubs moving the mail should be tampering
with it without justification. *If* there is a concern about
legal issues, then it's time to work out a standard to deal with
this concern.
I do not believe that a distribution system should jeopardize
their safety and operation over a potential legal liability
regarding traffic passing in any given echo. At the same time
I believe that the distribution systems should inform the ZEC of
the specific legal issues before dropping an echo from
distribution, so that the issue can be taken up with all
distribution systems and hopefully a resolution be arbitrated.
* Moderator rights:
I am an old-time moderator since just after the single echo was
split into the many that have evolved to where we are now. I
believe that a moderator should have the final say how the
moderator runs their echo. Period.
*If* during discussions on EchoPol someone comes up with a
better alternative to "vote with your feet", then I am willing to
listen. However, it will be up to the *ECs, sysops, moderators
and hubs to work through this for a mutual agreement.
I do believe that the moderators should have a standard for a feed
cut request. This is a simple issue that will be suggested to
the moderators.
* The EchoList:
This is an entity that should remain separate and uninvolved in
any affiliations, politics, etc. If there is a backup set up
passwords, it should remain with the *ECs.
My qualifications:
Sysop for well over 10 years.
Moderator since just after the split of the echoes.
An NEC for 2-3 years.
An REC for over 3 years.
An RC for over 2 years, reviving and rebuilding Region 10 in the
process after years of neglect. Region 10 has always been properly
represented, including helping to restore some of the "U" flags
that the user wanted. There have been no EXCOMs on my watch and
only one PC that was denied. I have NEVER filed a PC nor have I
felt the need to.
I've put in an exceptional amount of time into FidoNet, both
promoting it and helping whenever I could. I fully intend to continue
to do so as your ZEC, making sure that *YOU* the sysop can now have
a voice in the matters of echomail beyond take it or leave it.
On a non-Fidonet level, I have been in management for over the past
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 13 26 Jan 1998
20 years in normal and also in environments that were very political.
In my other hobby, I've also been a national director for a major
horse breed association, the equivalent to an RC in Fidonet.
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A proposal to merge Internet-based FTS mailers into Fidonet
by William Herrera, Node 1:307/1
(mailto:
[email protected], telnet:166.93.38.14)
As a longtime Fidonet Sysop and past NC, now NEC of 1:307, may I
propose that:
1. A NEW zone be made up, say zone 10 or whatever.
2. This ZONE allows ANY geographic base. Its nets can be countries,
whatever.
3. This ZONE uses, indeed REQUIRES TCP/IP addresses for telephone
numbers. (or internet domain based addresses, I suppose)
4. This ZONE requires the ability to do FTS type mailing OVER TELNET
on a standard port for telnet.
I could set this up here right now (telnet:lookout.com).
I think the original reason for zones was calling costs and
restrictions for calls across zones. Mail could be sent via a
ZoneGate. This makes sense for mail across the regular zones and a
new Internet zone, too!
This might finally help the nodelist GROW a bit, too. It is easy to
set up a ZMH TCP/IP mailer on telnet, if you have internet access.
So what do ye think?
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Rec'd from the PRGrrl for www.trianglewebgrrls.com this morning--
NETSCAPE ANNOUNCES PLANS TO MAKE NEXT-GENERATION
COMMUNICATOR SOURCE CODE AVAILABLE FREE ON THE NET
BOLD MOVE TO HARNESS CREATIVE POWER OF THOUSANDS OF INTERNET
DEVELOPERS; COMPANY MAKES NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR AND COMMUNICATOR
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 14 26 Jan 1998
4.0 IMMEDIATELY FREE FOR ALL USERS, SEEDING MARKET FOR
ENTERPRISE AND NETCENTER BUSINESSES
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (January 22, 1998) -- Netscape Communications
Corporation (NASDAQ: NSCP) today announced bold plans to make the
source code for the next generation of its highly popular Netscape
Communicator client software available for free licensing on the
Internet. The company plans to post the source code beginning with the
first Netscape Communicator 5.0 developer release, expected by the end
of the first quarter of 1998. This aggressive move will enable
Netscape to harness the creative power of thousands of programmers on
the Internet by incorporating their best enhancements into future
versions of Netscape's software. This strategy is designed to
accelerate development and free distribution by Netscape of future
high-quality versions of Netscape Communicator to business customers
and individuals, further seeding the market for Netscape's enterprise
solutions and Netcenter business.
In addition, the company is making its currently available Netscape
Navigator and Communicator Standard Edition 4.0 software products
immediately free for all users. With this action, Netscape makes it
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choose the world's most popular Internet client software as their
preferred interface to the Internet.
"The time is right for us to take the bold action of making our client
free - and we are going even further by committing to post the source
code for free for Communicator 5.0," said Jim Barksdale, Netscape's
president and chief executive officer. "By giving away the source code
for future versions, we can ignite the creative energies of the entire
Net community and fuel unprecedented levels of innovation in the
browser market. Our customers can benefit from world-class technology
advancements; the development community gains access to a whole new
market opportunity; and Netscape's core businesses benefit from the
proliferation of the market-leading client software."
Netscape plans to make Netscape Communicator 5.0 source code available
for modification and redistribution beginning later this quarter with
the first developer release of the product. The company will handle
free source distribution with a license which allows source code
modification and redistribution and provides for free availability of
source code versions, building on the heritage of the GNU Public
License (GPL), familiar to developers on the Net. Netscape intends to
create a special Web site service where all interested parties can
download the source code, post their enhancements, take part in
newsgroup discussions, and obtain and share Communicator-related
information with others in the Internet community. Netscape will also
continue to develop new technologies and offer periodic certified,
high-quality, supported releases of its Netscape Communicator and
Navigator products, incorporating some of the best features created by
this dynamic community.
The ubiquity of Netscape's client software facilitates Netscape's
strategy of linking millions of individuals to businesses. Today's
announcements will help to further proliferate Netscape's award-
winning client software which today has an installed base of more than
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 15 26 Jan 1998
68 million, providing a ready market for businesses using Netscape's
Networked Enterprise software solutions and Netscape Netcenter
services. Netscape's research indicates that in the education market
where Netscape's products are free, the Netscape client software
commands approximately 90 percent share, indicating that users tend to
choose Netscape when the choice is freely available. Making its
browser software free also will enable Netscape to continue to drive
Internet standards, maximize the number of users on the Internet, and
expand the third-party community of companies and products that take
advantage of the Netscape software platform.
Netscape has successfully shifted its business over the past year
toward enterprise software sales and to revenues from its Web site
business, and away from standalone client revenues. In the third
quarter of 1997, standalone client revenues represented approximately
18 percent of Netscape's revenue, with the rest coming from enterprise
software, services and the Web site. Preliminary results for the
fourth quarter of 1997, which Netscape announced January 5, show
standalone client revenues decreased to approximately 13 percent in
the fourth quarter. In the fourth quarter of 1996 by comparison,
standalone client revenue represented approximately 45 percent of
Netscape's revenue.
In conjunction with its free client, Netscape separately announced
today that it is launching a host of enhanced products and services
that leverage its free client software to make it easy for enterprise
and individual customers to adopt Netscape solutions. The new products
and services reinforce Netscape's strategy of leveraging market
penetration of its popular client software and its busy Internet site
to seed further sales of Netscape software solutions in the home and
business markets. The new products and services include enhanced
subscription and support packages, an investment protection program
for Netscape Communicator users, new reduced pricing on Netscape's
retail and enterprise client products, new Premium Services on its
Netscape Netcenter online service and Netscape SuiteSpot server
software upgrades featuring Netscape client software.
In addition, the company separately announced the launch of an
aggressive new software distribution program called "Unlimited
Distribution" to broadly distribute its market-leading Internet client
software for free. Unlimited Distribution enables Original Equipment
Manufacturers (OEMs), Internet Service Providers (ISPs),
telecommunications companies, Web content providers, publishers and
software developers to download and redistribute Netscape Communicator
and Netscape Navigator easily with "no strings attached." In addition,
beginning immediately, individual users can download Netscape
Communicator or Navigator for free, register for Netscape Netcenter
and, beginning tomorrow, enter the Choose Netscape Sweepstakes to win
exciting travel-related prizes including a grand prize of two all-
inclusive, seven-night tropical resort vacations.
Individuals can download a free copy of Netscape Communicator client
software or the Netscape Navigator browser from the Netscape home page
at
http://home.netscape.com, or by clicking on any of the thousands of
"Netscape Now" buttons on the Internet. Netscape Communicator
Professional Edition, which adds features for enterprise customers,
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will be available for US$29.
Netscape Communications Corporation is a premier provider of open
software for linking people and information over enterprise networks
and the Internet. The company offers a full line of Netscape
Navigator clients, servers, development tools and commercial
applications to create a complete platform for next-generation, live
online applications. Traded on NASDAQ under the symbol "NSCP,"
Netscape Communications Corporation is based in Mountain View,
California.
Additional information on Netscape Communications Corporation is
available on the Internet at
http://home.netscape.com, by sending
email to
[email protected] or by calling 650/937-2555 (corporate
customers) or 650/937-3777 (individuals).
Netscape is a trademark of Netscape Communications Corporation, which
is registered in the United States and other jurisdictions. Netscape
Communications, the Netscape Communications logo, Netscape Navigator,
Netscape SuiteSpot, Netscape Composer, Netscape Messenger and Netscape
Communicator are trademarks of Netscape Communications Corporation.
Corporate Sales: 650/937-2555 - Corporate Renewal Sales: 650/937-2929
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If you have any questions, please visit Customer Service, or contact
your nearest sales office.
Copyright 1998 Netscape Communications Corporation.
When your only tool is Notepad.exe, the world looks like a *.txt file.
________________________________________
Karen Tiede
919-784-8478
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/1812/
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Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator Election Voting Procedure
by Martin Belcke 1:232/10, 1:232/16,
[email protected]
To The Members of Fidonet, Zone 1.
In compliance with a directive from the Zone 1 Coordinator, an
election for the position of Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator has
been underway. The first phase, nominations, has concluded.
The second phase, campaigning has concluded (as of 1-22-98).
The third phase, voting, will commence 1-26-98 and end 2-15-98.
The following list of candidates (listed by date of acceptance)
are the only valid candidates for this election.
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Wayne DeLisle Sr 1:379/33 ACCEPTED 12/11/97
David Calafrancesco 1:2624/0 ACCEPTED 12/13/97
Mike Luther 1:117/3001 ACCEPTED 12/14/97
Jeff Smith 1:282/1 ACCEPTED 12/20/97
Jim Balcom 1:109/334 ACCEPTED 12/22/97
John Glinski 1:320/237 ACCEPTED 12/24/97
Bob Kohl 1:102/861 ACCEPTED 12/28/97
Because there are more than two candidates, a process called
preferential balloting is being used to prevent the need for any run-
off elections. Preferential balloting is explained below:
PREFERENTIAL BALLOTING PROCEDURE
Preferential balloting allows for casting of multiple votes, listed in
order of preference of candidates. Through this method, run-off
elections are usually not necessary. At all times, the highest ranked
name is used for each ballot, unless that name has been eliminated in
any round of tallying. During each round of tallying, the candidate
that receives the least number of votes is eliminated. If that is the
only candidate listed on a ballot, then that ballot is also eliminated
and the number of votes needed to win is also reduced accordingly.
The order goes like this.
Step 1 - Count the total number of ballots and determine what the
number of ballots needed to win would be.
Step 2 - Sort the ballots according to the top candidate listed on
each ballot skipping any names that were eliminated.
Step 3 - Tally the votes for each candidate according to the sorted
order of ballots.
Step 4 - Did any candidate receive the necessary number of votes to
win? If NO, goto Step 4a. If YES, goto Step 5. If no
further rounds will determine a winner goto Step 6.
Step 4a - Eliminate the name of the candidate that received the least
number of votes scratching off that name from each ballot.
If that is the only name on a ballot, eliminate that
ballot.
Step 5 - Determine the winner.
Step 6 - Send results to the Z1C for further action.
The process is explained below by example.
CANDIDATE #1
CANDIDATE #2 Based on number of ballots, it takes 3 votes
CANDIDATE #3 to win.
CANDIDATE #4
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BALLOT #1 BALLOT #2 BALLOT #3 BALLOT #4 BALLOT #5
Candidate 1 Candidate 1 Candidate 2 Candidate 4 Candidate 4
Candidate 2 Candidate 3 Candidate 1 Candidate 1 Candidate 3
Candidate 3 Candidate 4 Candidate 3 Candidate 2 Candidate 2
Candidate 4 Candidate 2 Candidate 4 Candidate 3 Candidate 1
On the first tally, the following results occur:
CANDIDATE # 1 2 votes
CANDIDATE # 2 1 vote
CANDIDATE # 3 0 votes
CANDIDATE # 4 2 votes
No winner declared...
Candidate # 3 is eliminated.
Votes now look like this:
BALLOT #1 BALLOT #2 BALLOT #3 BALLOT #4 BALLOT #5
Candidate 1 Candidate 1 Candidate 2 Candidate 4 Candidate 4
Candidate 2 Candidate 1 Candidate 1
Candidate 4 Candidate 2 Candidate 2
Candidate 4 Candidate 2 Candidate 4 Candidate 1
Re-tallying votes, first choice must be used when possible, the
results are:
CANDIDATE # 1 2 votes
CANDIDATE # 2 1 vote
CANDIDATE # 4 2 votes
No winner declared...
Because candidate # 2 receives the least number of votes, candidate #2
is eliminated.
Votes now look like this:
BALLOT #1 BALLOT #2 BALLOT #3 BALLOT #4 BALLOT #5
Candidate 1 Candidate 1 Candidate 4 Candidate 4
Candidate 1 Candidate 1
Candidate 4
Candidate 4 Candidate 4 Candidate 1
Re-tallying votes, first choice must be used when possible, the
results are:
CANDIDATE # 1 3 votes (Ballot #3's first choice was eliminated)
CANDIDATE # 4 2 votes
Candidate # 1 is declared winner as there are the required number of
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 19 26 Jan 1998
votes cast to receive a majority vote of all ballots.
If, for some reason, a voter has put Candidate #2 or Candidate #3 for
all votes, that ballot would have been eliminated at the same time the
candidate was eliminated as the votes would then be considered as cast
for an invalid candidate. At the same time, the number of votes
needed to win would have been adjusted. This could have caused a
problem in our example, as it may have resulted in a tie-vote. At that
time, the rules of the election would have been used concerning action
to take in event of a tie vote.
***** END PREFERENTIAL BALLOTING *****
The voting requirements, taken from the election rules are:
3) VOTING PERIOD
Following the campaign period, a period shall be allowed for each
eligible voter to cast his/her vote. Votes must be sent via direct
netmail to the election coordinator, or by any other method at the
discretion of the election coordinator. Votes must be sent during the
voting period and must include a keyword/password, name and node of
the person voting (as it appears in the Fidonet nodelist) and the name
of one of the candidates on the election slate. If preferential
balloting is being used, then more than one candidate may be listed in
order of preference. Any vote received that does not contain the
above information will be declared invalid and the ballot will not be
counted. Any vote cast that uses a method not approved will be
declared invalid and the ballot will not be counted.
Any vote received prior to or after the voting period shall be
disallowed. The election coordinator shall acknowledge each vote by
netmail (direct or routed), or by any other method at the discretion
of the election coordinator, with a simple statement that the vote has
been received and recorded.
In the event there are more than two candidates, the voting method
shall be that of preferential balloting.
Any member of Fidonet, Zone 1 is eligible to vote, under the following
criteria. Nodes beginning with the keyword of ZONE, REGION, HOST,
HUB, or DOWN or nodes that are redundant entries are not eligible.
One vote for sysops with more than one node. One vote for nodes with
more than one person listed at that node. Nodes listed as PVT or HOLD
are eligible.
The Fidonet nodelist published prior to the beginning of the voting
period shall be the primary nodelist to determine eligible voters.
Allowance for errors in the nodelist may be made by the election
coordinator, but at all times a valid Fidonet nodelist must be used.
*** END VOTING RULE ***
Sample ballots are listed below:
VOTING PERIOD IS January 22, 1998 to February 15, 1998.
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DO NOT use this as your ballot.
In this election, there are 7 candidates running for the position of
Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator (Z1EC). As such, a procedure called
preferential balloting is being used to prevent the need for run-off
elections should no candidate receive a majority vote. Preferential
balloting simply means you rank the candidates in order of your
preference. If there is a candidate you do not want to vote for,
simply do not list that candidate on your ballot. However, understand
that if all of those candidates that you did list are eliminated in
any round of tallying, so would your ballot be eliminated. (see
examples).
The basic information that is REQUIRED in order for your ballot to be
counted is as follows:
***** REQUIRED INFORMATION *****
1) Your name as it appears in the Fidonet nodelist and your
node number as it appears in the Fidonet nodelist.
NOTE: This information will be posted for verification purposes
after the close of the voting period in a list of those
who voted listed numerically by node number. This list
will NOT contain the vote or keyword used.
2) A password/keyword that is to be used to verify your vote.
NOTE: The password/keyword will be posted along with your vote
for verification after the close of the voting period in
a list containing all of the passwords/keywords and vote
associated with that password/keyword listed
alphabetically by password/keyword. This list will not
contain voter name or nodenumber.
Try to keep the password under 15 characters. 8
characters is preferred. Passwords used that are
considered "vulgar" are not acceptable passwords. What
is considered "vulgar" is at my discretion. In the event
that you choose to send an unacceptable password, the
password will be changed and I will send you the new
password either my routed netmail or e-mail.
3) Your Vote - A list of one or more valid candidates names.
NOTE: The first valid candidate name listed on the ballot
is first choice, followed by the next valid candidate for
second choice and so forth. Any extraneous ordering
information will be ignored.
EXAMPLE: Any numbers listed or other information other
than the name of a candidate. Please list candidates
names on separate lines.
***** END OF REQUIRED INFORMATION *****
You may send your vote via any of the following methods:
NOTE: Please use VOTE for the subject line. It will make it easier
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 21 26 Jan 1998
on me. The subject line is NOT a requirement for a valid
ballot, simply a courtesy to the vote counter.
DIRECT NETMAIL to Martin Belcke 1:232/10 or 1:232/16
DIRECT NETMAIL to Election Coordinator 1:232/10 or 1:232/16
ROUTED NETMAIL to Martin Belcke 1:232/10 or 1:232/16
ROUTED NETMAIL to Election Coordinator 1:232/10 or 1:232/16
E-MAIL to
[email protected]
NOTE: The other e-mail addresses listed in Fidonews 1449 are not
working correctly, so if you send your vote by e-mail, you
will need to send it to the above address.
SAMPLE BALLOTS:
The following are several types of ballots. The examples are NOT the
only types of valid ballots. Any ballot that contains the REQUIRED
information, as per the election rules, is considered a valid ballot.
If the election coordinator is unable to understand your ballot, you
will receive a netmail (or e-mail) message asking for clarification.
For these examples, we are going to use the following names as
candidates: George Washington, Henry Adams, James Kirk, Joan of Arc,
Mary Shepherd, Joe Public, Pat Paulsen
SAMPLE BALLOT #1 - This voter is listing only 1 candidate. The name
and node number information is contained in the header of the netmail
message.
=====================================================================
From : Joe Voter (1:222/333)
To : Martin Belcke (1:232/10)
Subject : VOTE
=========================BODY OF MESSAGE=============================
PASSWORD - XXXPPPTTTBBB
George Washington
Joe Voter
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- END SAMPLE #1 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
SAMPLE BALLOT #2 - This voter is listing 3 candidates, listed in order
of preference. The order the names are entered will be used as the
order of preference. Any numbers that appear next to the names will
be ignored. The name and node number information is contained in the
header of the netmail message.
=====================================================================
From : Joe Voter (1:222/333)
To : Election Coordinator (1:232/10)
Subject : VOTE
===========================BODY OF MESSAGE==========================
PASSWORD - BYTRENMPOIM
George Washington
Henry Adams
James Kirk
Joe Voter
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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- END SAMPLE #2 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
SAMPLE BALLOT #3 - This voter is listing 7 candidates, listed in order
of preference. The order the names are entered will be used as the
order of preference. Any numbers that appear next to the names will
be ignored. The name and node number information is contained in the
header of the netmail message.
=====================================================================
From : Joe Voter (1:222/333)
To : Election Coordinator (1:232/10)
Subject : VOTE
===========================BODY OF MESSAGE==========================
PASSWORD - BYTRENMPOIM
George Washington 6
Henry Adams 5
Jimmy Durante 4
Joe Public 3
Pat Paulsen 2
James Kirk 1
Mary Shepherd 7
Joe Voter
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- END SAMPLE #3 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
SAMPLE BALLOT #4 - - This voter send their vote through the internet.
====================================================================
From :
[email protected]
To :
[email protected]
Subject : VOTE
=========================BODY OF MESSAGE===========================
NAME : Joe Voter
NODE NUMBER : 1:222/333
PASSWORD : XXXCCCMMMBB
The rest of this ballot could look like any of the other ballots shown
above.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- END SAMPLE #4 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
SAMPLE BALLOT # 5 - This voter listed the candidates names on the same
line. The order listed is the order of preference. Any numbers
listed will be ignored.
=====================================================================
From : Joe Voter (1:222/333)
To : Election Coordinator (1:232/10)
Subject : VOTE
===========================BODY OF MESSAGE===========================
PASSWORD: XCVBYN
George Washington, Henry Adams, Joan of Arc, Pat Paulsen, James Kirk
Joe Voter
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- END SAMPLE # 5 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
EXPLANATIONS:
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 23 26 Jan 1998
In SAMPLE BALLOT #3, the numbers that appear next to the names are
ignored and the names as listed are used as the order of preference.
In SAMPLE BALLOT #5, the names are used in order listed. It will be a
LOT easier on the tallying if each candidate is listed on a separate
line.
In preferential balloting, the first valid name that is listed is the
"preferred" name in counting the ballot. After the votes are tallied,
if no candidate receives the necessary number of votes to win, the
candidate that receives the LEAST number of votes is eliminated and
the votes are then recounted using the first valid name listed. If a
candidate has been eliminated, then that name is no longer a valid
name. In SAMPLE #1, if George Washington had been eliminated, then so
would that ballot be eliminated, thus reducing the number of ballots
by 1. The number of votes needed to win would also be adjusted.
In SAMPLE #3, there is an invalid name listed (Jimmy Durante). This
name would be considered to be an invalid vote and would not be used.
If George Washington and Henry Adams were eliminated in any round of
tallying, then the next valid candidate (Joe Public) would be used as
the preferred name for SAMPLE #3. In SAMPLE #2, if George Washington,
Henry Adams AND James Kirk are all eliminated in any round of
tallying, then so would the ballot be eliminated, thus reducing the
number of ballots by 1. The number of votes needed to win would also
be adjusted.
In SAMPLE #4, the voter chose to send the ballot via the internet in
an e-mail message addressed to
[email protected]. Since the
header information does not contain the NAME and NODE NUMBER of the
voter as it appears in the Fidonet nodelist, that information --must--
be listed in the BODY of the e-mail message.
**** END SAMPLE BALLOTING EXAMPLES ****
This announcement is respectfully submitted to you, the members of
Fidonet, Zone 1, and serves as the official announcement of the voting
phase of this election process. Thank you for your time and look
forward to seeing you participate in the election.
--Martin Belcke--
Election Coordinator, Z1EC election
Fidonet Node 1:232/10
Fidonet Node 1:232/16
primary e-mail
[email protected]
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FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 24 26 Jan 1998
=================================================================
COLUMNS
=================================================================
This is the first part of a serial touching tale to which,
to some degree or another, I'm sure we can all relate. It
originally started out as a gag to entertain my fellow addicts
in net 354, but by the end of the first episode, the idea struck
that it may be entertaining to the readers of the snooze as
well. So, assuming that it passes the stringent standards of the
editorial staff of that august body, herewith is part 1 of the
ongoing story of a BBSaholic:
Area: SOK.SYSOP
Date : Jan 22 '98, 09:07
From : Pete Snidal 1:354/910.1
To : All 0:0/0.0
Subj : I'm a BBSaholic
Hi, All!
My name is Pete S., and I'm a BBSaholic.
It started the first time I got my first taste. I can still
remember the day I walked into a friend's apartment in Burnaby,
while down there on a semi-annual junket. He was hunched over this
amber screen, typing away like a fiend, and I looked over his
shoulder to see what was going on in there. Well, he was replying
to what looked to me like a very interesting discussion about
something or other, and I instantly wanted to know where the input
was coming from, did somebody send him a disk to reply to, or did
the guy send it to him modem to modem, or what.
Well, he explained to me about Fidonet, echoes, and stuff. This
was about 1988, and it was the first I'd ever heard about it. We
sucked up a box of beer that afternoon, and he basically hooked me
on his habit then and there. I'd never heard of Fidonet, or for all
that matter, any computer network at all, and as he explained how it
had evolved, and what it had come to by that time, I just got more
and more into the idea. I was fascinated. This was something that
my genes had programmed me for from the day I was born. I know it
isn't really contagious; that I had the incipient dependence since
birth, so I don't blame him for my trouble, but just the same, that's
the day I became a BBSaholic.
Of course, as soon as I got home, I started shopping for a modem
for the ol' Kaypro II, and once I had it in place, I started looking
for a BBS to connect to. I called my friend in Burnaby, and he dug
into his nodelist and suggested Bob Shiels' board in Kelowna as my
closest fix.
So for a few months, there, I was calling Kelowna LD to support
my habit. This was with an old Kaypro CP/M computer, with a very
basic sort of software available. No .QWK packets or offline
reading with this baby; I'd get into a message area, start it
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 25 26 Jan 1998
scrolling messages at 2400 baud, and use text capture to write as
much as I could get onto a 190K floppy, watching the clock tick
them minutes by till I couldn't stand it any more, and then terminate
the connection. You can imagine how I felt the first few times,
when I forgot to save the buffer to disk after 6 or 8 minutes online!
Fortunately, Bob was using good ol' bulletproof Binkleyterm, so
when I dropped carrier by turning off my external modem (I couldn't
make the software exit graciously from capture mode,) it didn't
lock his system up or otherwise get me in trouble.
Then, I'd ignore friends and family for hours on end, while I
read this fresh intelligence from all over the planet, on such
esoteric subjects as to be found in EDUCATOR or ALTMED. I was
_fascinated_ with this connectivity! With seeing people in Australia
respond to questions from people in Arizona! It was all I could talk
about with anybody who would listen. But soon, BBSaholics start
talking a language that's all their own, and the more you get into
it, the more your friends are out of it. I'm sure you all know what
I mean.
I know this is a sad tale already, but it's only starting. This
was when I was just chippin' - I was only a User at this point. Just
partying on weekends, so to speak. In further episodes, I'll tell
you how I got hooked on the Hard Stuff - setting up my own BBS.
Where we ALL ended up - God Help Us!
Origin: KETTLE VALLEY FORUM BBS - Grand Forks BC CANADA (1:354/910)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 26 26 Jan 1998
=================================================================
COORDINATORS CORNER
=================================================================
Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 023
By Ward Dossche, 2:292/854
ZC/2
+--------+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--+
!Zone/Jul!Ndl-360!Nodel.-002!Nodel.-009!Nodel.-016!Nodel.-023!%%!
+--------+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--+
! 1/023 ! 6199 ! 6199 0! 6142 -57! 6053 -89! 6020 -33!28!
! 2/023 ! 14523 !14538 15!14501 -37!14439 -62!14406 -33!66!
! 3/016 ! 580 ! 580 0! 570 -10! 570 0! 573 3! 3!
! 4/016 ! 435 ! 435 0! 435 0! 425 -10! 424 -1! 2!
! 5/353 ! 91 ! 91 0! 91 0! 91 0! 91 0! 0!
! 6/016 ! 1091 ! 1091 0! 1091 0! 1091 0! 322 -769! 1!
+--------+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--+
! 22919 !22934 15!22830 -104!22669 -161!21836 -833!
+-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
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FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 27 26 Jan 1998
=================================================================
NET HUMOR
=================================================================
From: "Mike Riddle" <
[email protected]>
To: "Baker, Christopher" <
[email protected] (Christopher Baker)>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 14:40:02 -0600
Reply-To: "Mike Riddle" <
[email protected]>
Subject: Fwd: WHAT THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART DOESN'T TELL YOU
==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
WHAT THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART DOESN'T TELL YOU
In the lower ranks of the MIS world, sorting out job titles is a
nearly impossible task. Some folks are called Analysts. Some are
called Programmers. Some are called Engineers. None of them has
window offices.
So I have listed -- from lowest to highest in order of prestige -- and
described the 10 most commonly used job titles in a data processing
shop.
A truly experienced high-tech professional has held five or even six
of these positions . . . usually all at the same time.
10. Programmer:
This person holds the lowest rank in the DP field. Manages no
one. Answers to everyone. Approximately 50% of the Programmer's
time is scheduled for testing. Another 50% is spent filling out
time cards and progress reports. Any time left over is spent
attending classes on technologies that will never be used in the
shop.
The Programmer is appraised on code quality and reliability.
Never has time to write any. Hopes to, someday, be promoted to
Systems Analyst.
9. Systems Analyst:
The Systems Analyst refuses to code anymore. Designs new
systems. Writes specs for new systems. Devises procedures and
work flows for new systems but ends up training users on how to
get by with the old ones. Next in line for Team Leader position.
8. Team Leader:
A Team Leader manages one project. Doesn't know why he's not
called Project Leader; that's what he has on his resume.
7. Project Leader:
Manages several projects at once. Analyzes Gantt charts from the
Team Leaders' projects. Coordinates schedules from the Team
Leaders' projects. Monitors deliverables from the Team Leaders'
projects. Has absolutely no idea what any of the Team Leaders'
projects are about. Wants to be a programmer again.
6. Operator:
FIDONEWS 15-04 Page 28 26 Jan 1998
The Operator wields powers that the Project Leader can only dream
about. Makes Programmers beg for tape drives. Makes Analysts
beg for disk space. Makes Team Leaders beg for printouts. Has
an uncanny understanding of career potential in the data
processing industry. Going to law school at night.
5. Systems Programmer:
Even an Operator wants to be a Systems Programmer. A Systems
Programmer has the authority to wipe out disk packs without
warning. Crash the system during user demos. Make new releases
appear, then disappear, then reappear again, especially during
month-end processing.
4. DBA:
No one really knows what the Database Administrator does, and no
one is smart enough to know if the DBA is doing it or not. But
every shop must have one DBA, because no place can afford two of
them.
3. Manager:
The Manager is sometimes called a Director. Or an Assistant
Vice-President. Or an Account Manager. Has completely lost
touch with any facsimile of technology. Wants to finish next
year's budget. Wants to finish last year's appraisals. Wants to
learn the names of some of the Programmers. But instead, only
has time to interview job applicants, especially DBAs.
2. Department Secretary:
The Programmers have word processing. The Managers have
electronic mail. Everyone has automatic phone messaging. This
leaves the Department Secretary with all kinds of time to
manipulate, control and dispense the three most basic employee
needs: paychecks, rumors and supplies. Can make copier self-
destruct just by going to lunch.
1. Contract Programmer:
A Contract Programmer doesn't have to wear a nice suit. Or go to
meetings. Or fill out time cards. Or keep complaints to
himself. He can make all the mistakes he wants. He doesn't get
benefits. He doesn't get training. He doesn't get respect.
But after years in the trenches, the Contract Programmer will
finally achieve the ultimate goal in the profession: He will be
able to make impossible deadlines with inadequate resources for
desperate managers by putting in all kinds of extra hours... and
will be paid overtime for every one of them.
===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================
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ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
=================================================================
Emanuel Edwards
1:348/963
[email protected]
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\ // / | |___ \ // / <WCW>
\/ \/ \___/ \/ \/
_____ __ ___
\ \ \ / \ / _____/
\ \ \/ /\ \/ /_____ <WWF>
\ \ / \ / ____/
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Hello All Sysops & Co_Sysops:
If you can't afford Internet access and want to get all the latest
news, Scoops and upcoming events in Wrestling and Boxing I suggest you
request the WRESTLING_CHAT on your BBS.
The WRESTLING_CHAT not only offer you all the latest news in boxing
and wrestling but we also offer you a friendly atmosphere to chat with
other great wrestling and boxing fans around the world.
The WRESTLING_CHAT also started carrying rec.spot.pro-wrestling on the
echo. Don't miss out on this great opportunity. I suggest you
request that great sport conference on your BBS. You won't regret it.
Lots of Sysops are requesting that great conference. If you need
additional information about the WRESTLING_CHAT please us in one of
those two addresses.
SEE YOU ALL ON THE ECHO.
Emanuel Fidonet 1:348/963
Internet
[email protected]
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NOTICES
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Future History
6 Feb 1998
Waitangi Day, New Zealand.
30 Apr 1998
Queens Day, Holland.
17 May 1998
Independence Day, Norway.
22 May 1998
Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.
14 Sep 1998
Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].
22 Sep 1998
First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.
1 Dec 1998
Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
Tom Jennings.
24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
=================================================================
[from 1449. Ed.]
Latest Greatest Software Versions
by Peter E. Popovich, 1:363/264
New entry: Tornado, a BBS from Konstantin Klyagin. Welcome to the
list... ;-)
-=- Snip -=-
Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column
OS Platform :
Software package name :
Version :
Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. :
Freeware / Shareware / Commercial? :
Author / Support staff contact name :
Author / Support staff contact node :
Magic name (at the above-listed node) :
Please include a sentence describing what the package does.
Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264
-=- Snip -=-
MS-DOS:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Act-Up 4.6 G D Chris Gunn 1:15/55 ACT-UP
ALLFIX 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 ALLFIX
Announcer 1.12 O S Peter Karlsson 2:206/221 ANNOUNCE
BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOS_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_DOS
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
CheckPnt 1.0a O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 CHECKPNT
FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FASTECHO
FastEcho/16 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FEX
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTD
FidoBBS (tm) 12u B S Ray Brown 1:1/117 FILES
FrontDoor 2.12 M S JoHo 2:201/330 FD
FrontDoor 2.20c M C JoHo 2:201/330 FDINFO
GEcho 1.00 T S Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Plus 1.11 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GED
GoldED/386 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEX
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
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Imail 1.75 T S Michael McCabe 1:1/121 IMAIL
ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
InfoMail/86 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFOMAIL
InfoMail/386 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFO386
InterEcho 1.19 T C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IEDEMO
InterMail 2.29k M C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IMDEMO
InterPCB 1.52 O S Peter Stewart 1:369/35 INTERPCB
IPNet 1.11 O S Michele Stewart 1:369/21 IPNET
JD's CBV 1.4 O S John Dailey 1:363/277 CBV
Jelly-Bean 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY
Jelly-Bean/386 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY386
JMail-Hudson 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-H
JMail-Goldbase 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-G
MakePl 1.9 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MAKEPL
Marena 1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MARENA
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAX
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUE
McMail 1.0 M S Michael McCabe 1:1/148 MCMAIL
MDNDP 1.18 N S Bill Doyle 1:388/7 MDNDP
Msged 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41D.ZIP
Msged/386 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41X.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFD
NorthStar 3.31.29 B S A&B Darin 1:285/82 NSTAR
Opus CBCS 1.79 B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14 OPUS
O/T-Track 2.66 O S Peter Hampf 2:241/1090 OT
PcMerge 2.8 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
PlatinumXpress 1.3 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PX13TD.ZIP
QuickBBS 2.81 B S Ben Schollnick 1:2613/477 QUICKBBS
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR
RemoteAccess 2.50 B S Mark Lewis 1:3634/12 RA
Searchlight 4.5 B S Paul Casey 1:343/117 DEMO450.ZIP
Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT
Silver Xpress
Door 5.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 FILES
Reader 4.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 SXR44.ZIP
Spitfire 3.51 B S Mike Weaver 1:3670/3 SPITFIRE
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISH
StealTag UK 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_UK
StealTag NL 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_NL
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL
Telegard 3.02 B F Tim Strike 1:259/423 TELEGARD
Terminate 5.00 O S Bo Bendtsen 2:254/261 TERMINATE
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO
TosScan 1.01 T C JoHo 2:201/330 TSINFO
TransNet 1.00 G S Marc S. Ressl 4:904/72 TN100ALL.ZIP
TriBBS 11.0 B S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIBBS
TriDog 11.0 T F Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIDOG
TriToss 11.0 T S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRITOSS
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
WWIV 4.24a B S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIV
WWIVTOSS 1.36 T S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIVTOSS
xMail 2.00 T S Thorsten Franke 2:2448/53 XMAIL
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XRDOS
OS/2:
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Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ALLFIX/2 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 AFIXOS2
BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BOS2_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_OS2
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FE2
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLST
FleetStreet 1.21 O S Michael Hohner 2:2490/2520 FLEET
FP-OS/2 97-03-21 O F Mike Bilow 323/107 FPOS2
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXP
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUEP
Msged/2 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41O.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEF
PcMerge 2.3 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR2
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISHP
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL2
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO2
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XROS2
Windows (16-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
FrontDoor APX 1.12 P S Mats Wallin 2:201/329 FDAPXW
Windows (32-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Argus 95/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 A9I
Argus NT/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ANI
BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BW32_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_W32
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTW
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXN
Msged/NT 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41W.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFW
PlatinumXpress 2.00 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PXW-INFO
Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAILNT
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WinFOSSIL/95 1.12 r4 F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 WNFOSSIL.ZIP
WinFOSSIL/NT 1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 NTFOSSIL.ZIP
Unix:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ifmail 2.12 M G Eugene Crosser 2:293/2219 IFMAIL
ifmail-tx ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX
ifmail-tx.rpm ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX.RPM
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
Amiga:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
CrashMail 1.31 T X Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHMAIL
CrashTick 1.2 O F Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHTICK
DLG Pro BBOS 1.15 B C Holly Sullivan 1:202/720 DLGDEMO
GMS 1.1.85 M S Mirko Viviani 2:331/213 GMS
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
TrapDoor 1.86.b2 M S Maximilian Hantsch
2:310/6 TRAPDOOR
TrapToss 1.50 T S Rene Hexel 2:310/6 TRAPTOSS
Atari:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ApplyList 1.00 N F Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH
BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2 M F Bill Scull 1:363/112 BINKLEY
BTNC 2.00 N G Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 BTNC
JetMail 0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker 2:2432/1101 JETMAIL
Semper 0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten 2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA
Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser,
C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will
be listed by the first match.
Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial,
X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source
Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as
of this appearance.
============
FidoNet:
Homepage
http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews
http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html
HTML FNews
http://www.fidonews.org
WWW sources
http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
FTSC page
http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/ftsc.htm
Echomail
http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html
WebRing
http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html
============
Zone 1:
http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10:
http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
Region 11:
http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Region 13:
http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm
Region 14: [disappeared?]
Region 15: [disappeared?]
Region 16:
http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm
Region 17:
http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm
REC17:
http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/
Region 18:
http://www.citicom.com/fido.html
Region 19:
http://www.compconn.net
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Zone 2:
http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ZEC2:
http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/zec.htm
Zone 2 Elist:
http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/
Region 20:
http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 24:
http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German)
Region 25:
http://www.trak-one.co.uk/net254
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Region 27:
http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29:
http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (in French)
Region 30:
http://www.fidonet.ch (in Swiss)
Region 33:
http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian)
Region 34:
http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (in Spanish)
REC34:
http://pobox.com/~chr
Region 36:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38:
http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41:
http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English)
Region 48:
http://www.fidonet.org.pl
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Zone 3:
http://www.z3.fidonet.org
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Zone 4: (not yet listed)
Region 90:
Net 904:
http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish)
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Zone 5:
http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
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Zone 6:
http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65:
http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China)
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------
Editor: Christopher Baker
Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
Donald Tees
"FidoNews Editor"
FidoNet 1:1/23
BBS 1-904-409-7040, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(ds)
more addresses:
Christopher Baker -- 1:18/14,
[email protected]
[email protected]
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[email protected]
(Postal Service mailing address)
FidoNews Editor
P.O. Box 471
Edgewater, FL 32132-0471
U.S.A.
voice: 1-904-409-3040 [1400-2100 ET only, please]
[1800-0100 UTC/GMT]
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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
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