F I D O N E W S -- Volume 14, Number 33 18 August 1997

F I D O N E W S -- Volume 14, Number 33 18 August 1997
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| | | \ \\ | Editor: |
| | (*) | \ )) | Christopher Baker 1:18/14 |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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Can BBSing be saved?

Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
New links, new info ...................................... 1
2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2
Gregg Jennings, 1:331/109 ................................ 2
3. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 4
Council for Online Community Alternatives (COCA) ......... 4
4. ARTICLES ................................................. 7
It's the Human way ....................................... 7
WWW Fidonet Resource Updated ............................. 7
5. TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET .................................. 9
From out of the past? .................................... 9
Sysop's passing .......................................... 9
6. COORDINATORS CORNER ...................................... 11
Zone 3 Nodelist info from new ZC3 ........................ 11
7. NET HUMOR ................................................ 12
Should software be named geographically? ................. 12
8. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 14
The cure for Echomail headaches? ......................... 14
9. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 15
Announcing the WRESTLING_CHAT Echo ....................... 15
10. NOTICES ................................................. 16
Future History ........................................... 16
11. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................................ 17
Latest Greatest Software Versions ........................ 17
And more!
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EDITORIAL
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Friday's Nodelist [227] seems less synchronized than usual but hope
springs eternal. ZC3 reports Nodelist synch status in his Zone below.

Zone 5 now has an Internet address. The FTSC address has changed from
the previous Nugent URL to the mirror URL operated by Adrian Walker
who is currently attempting to start a new FTSC [see 1432]. These are
listed in the FidoNet by Internet section and on the FidoNews webpage.
There is also updated info on the FidoNet Resource page in this Issue.

An effort is underway to save BBSing as a sport in spite of Internet-
induced losses of audience. That info also appears below.

Gregg Jennings offers a Guest Editorial following.

C.B.

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GUEST EDITORIAL
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FidoPeople
By Gregg Jennings, 1:331/109

[This is not quite an article; more of a letter to the editor, but not
in reference to any article, so it's a Guest Editorial!]

I was writing a friend of mine about a bit of the history of Fido and
FidoNet, something that I know a little bit about, something that I
have a unique perspective of, being a Jennings, if you get my meaning.

And I used a disparaging remark about the. . . well, I'll just say
that I was complaining about the FidoDissenters and FidoComplainers.

After I had saved the message, it being a form of electronic mail, I
realized that I was not quite right in my assessment of FidoPeople.

In a related issue, that of the FidoDeathKnellers, is that even now in
Usenet, there are people speaking of the "Death of Usenet", that
Usenet must "change or die". Pretty eerie ain't it?

What I'm getting at is that FidoNet is a pretty cool "place", or
rather, a pretty cool "thing", or even more `rather', a pretty cool
"implementation of a great idea".

Many people make FidoNet work, and boy does FidoNet work! It does. It
really does. There are more good things than bad, "here".

Yeah, I'm sick of hearing the complaints! But so what? We have to hear
all sides and all views. The worst thing would be one of two things:
all complaints or nothing at all.

Well, we ain't got all complaints! And we still have something!

What it boils down to is that there is much good with and within
FidoNet. I really feel that. I have met, as one can meet "voices" in
this medium, many good people, good FidoPeople. Yeah there are jerks.
I've been a jerk, some will say.

But I grow. I learn. I change. FidoNet grows and changes. And it will
grow and change because people really do do things.

We must acknowledge those that came before and will come again and are
here now. Both the "voices" and the developers.

So I'm weird! What about you? What is your view?

So I don't make sense. Or do I? Do you?

If you don't say it. Nobody will.

You could be right.
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Just think.

And say.

And do.

Eh?

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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--- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Fri Aug 15 00:06:08 1997

From: Tom McKeever @ 1:374/22
To: Christopher Baker @ 1:18/14
Date: 14 Aug 97 17:46:46
Subj: Help Keep Local BBS's Viable!!

* Original to: Al Koller (1:374/3)

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Fellow SysOps - The INTERNET has made a serious negative impact on
Community Dial-Up BBS's, as we are all aware. We have formed a
movement to re-awaken Community interest in BBS's and the benefits of
the LOCAL BBS as an adjunct to their Internet adventures.. :-)

Please help us propagate this positive initiative!!
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Who We Are:

The Council for Online Community Alternatives (COCA) was formed in the
summer of 1997 by a group of dedicated Bulletin Board System (BBS)
System Operators (SYSOPs) with a common goal....To Keep BBSing Alive!

COCA membership is free and open to all sysops, regardless of bbs
software and geographic location.

Our Mission:

The mission of the Council for Online Community Alternatives (COCA) is
to promote BBSes and BBS/Web sites as an "Online Community
Alternative" to mere internet browsing and to bring awareness to
computer users of the availability of "Local Community BBS's" in their
area.

It has become apparent with the growth of the internet that the role
of the community based BBS has become unclear and the awareness of
their existence obscure.

It is the premise of COCA that in recent years millions of people, who
never owned computers prior, went out and bought computers to seek out
the benefits of online communication. The internet was not only widely
publicized, but has become a business and educational tool, and is
known to most people in today's modern society across the world.

Our Goals:

1) To make the public aware that BBSes are in existence and that the
vast majority of them address most, if not all, of today's concerns
with the shortcomings of the internet.

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The internet has value and a place in today's world. However, it's
enormity and lack of organization tend to leave countless numbers of
people yearning for something more.

2) To make the public aware of the Local Community BBS's in their
area. Many new computer owners are not aware of the existence of the
Local BBS. They need to be advised and educated.

Channels of Communication:

Communication and education are the keys to making the public aware
of bbs's.

COCA maintains a variety of methods to keep communications open
between it's members:

1) COCA Listserve ([email protected])

To join send an e-mail to [email protected]
put SUBSCRIBE PROMOTE in the body of the message

2) COCAnet BBS Network

COCAnet was started as an effort to archive the listserve messages. It
has evolved into a 5 conference network to allow members without
e-mail access to read the listserve messages and have 2-way
communications with other COCA members. The COCAnet info packet is
available for download on the COCA Website. COCAnet is available via
dial-up, telnet, WWW, e-mail and ftp in both QWK and FTSC formats.

3) PROMOTE_BBS is a new conference on FIDOnet

This conference is gated to a conference of the same name on COCAnet.
It has been posted in the FIDOnet ECHOLIST conference and that posting
is copied below for your information. For FIDOnet sysops interested
in carrying the conference on their BBS, please keep this information
and note that the conference will be listed in the September 1st Elist
file (ELIST709.TXT):

4) COCA Web Site - http://coca.home.ml.org

Our web site consists of many different areas of interest and
new pages are added all the time.

Highlights include:

a) List of Member BBS's
b) List of Members and their Bio's
c) Calendar of Events
d) Web Site Information Update Form

5) COCA ICQ LIST

If you are running ICQ add your name to the list at:
http://cocalist.home.ml.org
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6) COCA Web Ring

If you run a bbs on the internet add it to the Web Ring at:
http://cocalist.home.ml.org

7) COCA IRC Chat Meetings

The Steering Committee meets every Wednesday.
Public Chat Meetings are held alternating Tuesdays/Thursdays
every other week. See the Calendar for details.

Join the effort! Join COCA!! Let's keep Community BBS's viable!

Tom McKeever - 1:374/22 - http://spacecon.net
[email protected] [email protected]

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ARTICLES
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It's the Human Way
by Lee Kindness, 2:259/7, [email protected]

A response to Steve Woodmore's article titled "A response to lee
Kindness's Counter proposal InetTM flags" (which didn't contain
anything relevant to my counter proposal) in FIDONEWS 14-31, 4 Aug
1997.

SW> I am a "doer" not a "talker", in other words if I see
SW> something that I think needs doing, i will try and do
SW> it, and not just sit Around flapping my lips and trying
SW> to insult everyone that attempts anything.

Right, what you're trying to say is that i'm a 'talker' and not
'doer'. Indeed. I'm quite sure past posts and articles by myself would
prove otherwise...

And Steve, you are a 'talker' - the worlds fastest i do believe ;)

SW> However your petty insults at the beginning are
SW> indicative of every thing that is wrong in fidonet today,
SW> you just couldn't write something constructive could you?,
SW> you just had to have your little dig, didn't you? Next time
SW> you respond to someone who is trying to improve the network
SW> for all of us, step out from behind your petty little ego,
SW> and think of the reasons as to why people do things.

Yes I took a dig at you but it was part of article which was overall
very positive. I am a human - I have opinions, I am as petty as the
next man and I will show it! I'm not a emotionless robot!

Fidonet is about communication, and communication is personal. I will
always voice my opinions and stand up for my views! No matter how
petty they may be...

Anyway Steve, you're hardly they guy to be lecturing me or anyone else
about pettiness!

--
Lee Kindness [email protected]
Fidonet 2:259/7 [email protected] hufunglun
http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk

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WWW Fidonet Resource Updated
by Lee Kindness, 2:259/7, [email protected]

The "WWW Fidonet Resource" page at:

http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html

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has been updated from submissions sent in by users. However I have
lost a, possibly large, amount of submissions...

I'd like to apologize to those whose submissions have been lost and in
general for the time taken to update/add the information. If your
submission has not made it onto the pages then can you please send it
again.

As always submissions are welcome, send information in the same format
as it is displayed on the pages for easier addition. Send submissions
to [email protected] or fidonet 2:259/7.

[I will get round to trawling the net for new links soon, and perhaps
even scadge the links from Fidonews... Well Chris stole them from me
in the first place ;)]

--
Lee Kindness [email protected]
Fidonet 2:259/7 [email protected] hufunglun
http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk

[Isn't that what they are there for? {snicker}] Ed.

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TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET
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From: [email protected] (Roger Smith)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Mailed from FidoNews homepage
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 03:33:13 GMT

Okay ... I'm here at work when I should be home asleep. So while I'm
waiting for a program to finish so I can see if it works, I started
surfing the web. Somehow I hit a reference to "Fidonet" so I start
think "hmmm ... I wonder what's happening in that world since I left
it."

And I kept trying to remember the names of some of the people I "met"
through Fidonet. One guy I recalled was the regional whatever and was
18/14 before I was 18/14 ... but I couldn't remember his name so I
started looking for more Fidonet stuff on the Internet.

I run across a page with FidoNews on it ... boy that brings back
mem...uhh... wait a minute ... that's the guy - Chris Baker!

I sort of left the BBS world behind when I moved from Fort Walton
Beach to Orlando and discovered the Internet. But some of my BBS past
remains - the program Oblio which I wrote to help me create and
maintain my web pages (www.jadebox.com) is based on the interpreter in
the BBS program, Oratorio, which I wrote and had used to host the
RSBBS (1:366/14).

Can you believe that there were only 400 nodes in the nodelist when I
joined FidoNet? Can you believe I still recognize several names in
the current FidoNews?

Anyway ... it's late. I should be home and sleeping, so I better go
before the 16 cans of "Surge" I've consumed today catch up with me
....

Take care ... and ....

TTFN

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From: [email protected] (Roger Smith)
To: Christopher Baker <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Mailed from FidoNews homepage
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:42:20 GMT

Here's another story you might like to share ....

I first met Lloyd Wood when I began visiting BBSs over 10 years ago.
He ran the "Hot Muddy Duck" in Shalimar, Florida. I lived nearby in
Fort Walton Beach. Although "Woody" was somewhat older than me and our
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views on just about every subject were different, we became friends.
On his BBS or in person, Woody was never shy about stating his
opinion. But he always did so with an endearing, warm sense of humor.

I think I talked Woody into joining Fidonet. He had resisted for a
while - I think he just didn't want to have to fight with the
required software - but, I guess the prospect of a larger audience and
more conversation got to him and he joined our net as 366/73.

As you might be able to tell by the node number he chose, Woody was an
amateur radio enthusiast. One day he was 50 feet up an antenna mast
when he suffered a heart attack. Fortunately, the antenna's site was
just a block from a hospital and Woody recovered well.

The experience gave him a new soapbox. He began preaching the
benefits of a healthy lifestyle. I recall that he told me once that
one ounce of chocolate has the same amount of fat as seventy pounds of
fish. I think my reply was something like, "well, I'd rather eat one
ounce of chocolate than seventy pounds of fish ...." That's a good
example of how most of our on-line conversations went.

About three years ago I moved from Fort Walton beach to Orlando. I
retired my BBS (the RSBBS) and joined the Internet crowd. I also lost
contact with a lot of my BBS friends including Woody.

Some time passed and one day I received an e-mail message from Woody.
He'd gotten connected to the Internet and somehow had found my
address. We began exchanging messages and he signed me up to his joke
mailing list. He also connected me with a few others I had known back
in my Fidonet days.

Only a few weeks after we began exchanging e-mail, I heard from a
mutual friend that Woody had died in his sleep. Of course, I was
really saddened - I had lost a friend of many years. But as I look
back on it, I'm so happy that e-mail had been able to bring us back
together, if only for a short time.

Thanks to BBSs, FidoNet, and the Internet, I - and many others - had
the pleasure of knowing Lloyd Wood. 73.

-- Roger

-------------------------------
No list server? Manage an interactive mailing list
on your PC with Arrow! http://www.jadebox.com/arrow/

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COORDINATORS CORNER
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--- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Sun Aug 17 19:08:48 1997

From: Alwyn Smith @ 3:640/201
To: Christopher Baker @ 1:18/14
Date: 15 Aug 97 20:36:36
Subj: Nodelist Synchronisation

G'day Christopher!

As of nodelist 227 the Zone 3 issue contains:

Zone 1 = 143
Zone 2 = 206
Zone 4 = 220
Zone 5 = 213
Zone 6 = 164

The Zone 2 segment should have been 227 but an error in my new setup
missed incorporating the difference files I had managed to obtain.

I still have to obtain a complete segment for Zones 1 and 6 to bring
them back into sync with what turns up in ZSEGS, but we also need to
locate and fix whatever is causing the odd file to be lost in the
ZSEGS file distribution.

I expect that a working file distribution will correct much of the
problem.

Alwyn

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NET HUMOR
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To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 09:49:51 -0700
Subject: Second good one today...
From: [email protected] (William S Lockwood III)

Internally, Microsoft has been naming its products after cities, with
names such as "Memphis", and "Cairo".

If this trend takes off in the software industry as a whole, we may
see some more cynical names being used ...

"Bataan" - A team of programmers pull a series of all-nighters and
drive themselves to the point of collapse in order to meet the
release date.

"Stalingrad" - The project turns out to be far more difficult than
expected. Management responds by assigning more and more programmers
to the development effort, but it ultimately fails.

"Dresden" - The company that originally owned the product goes down in
flames. As part of the liquidation, the product ends up in the hands
of a competitor, who severely mismanages it.

"Beirut" - Internal squabbling among the programmers turns the project
into a basket case. Senior management comes in, kicks some heads,
and gets the project back on track. But the programmers still hate
each other.

"Carthage" - After two previously unsuccessful releases, a third
version of the product is released. This also fails. The project's
programmers are dispersed, and the product's name is never spoken
again.

"Jerusalem" - The ultimate legacy application. Generations of hacks,
fixes, patches, different operating systems, and changes of
management have produced an application that is completely
unmaintainable.

"Mumbai" - For reasons best known to themselves, marketing tries to
sell an existing well-known product under a new name. The typical
response from customers is a blank stare, followed by "Oh, you mean
Bombay".

"Nanking" - After the developers fail to produce a successful product,
management punishes the guilty and innocent alike with mass
sackings.

With Gassho,
Scott
http://shoga.wwa.com/~tj
mailto:[email protected]
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COMIX IN ASCII
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--- Following message extracted from ASCII_ART @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Sun Aug 17 19:09:21 1997

From: Miss Kitty
To: All
Date: 13 Aug 97 21:52:00
Subj: Headache

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Origin: Kitty's Keep BBS * Fullerton, CA * (1:103/441.0)

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ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
=================================================================

Emanuel Edwards
1:348/963
[email protected]

IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL SYSOPS!!!!!!

Hello all Sysops and Co_Sysops:

If you want to get lots of User on your BBS I suggest you request the
WRESTLING_CHAT on your BBS:

On the wrestling_chat you can get all the Latest News, great wrestling
scoops and great wrestling advertisement. Plus there are professional
wrestlers reading the messages and posting messages on the echo. The
echo tag is called WRESTLING_CHAT.

Sysops around the world is requesting that echo daily. Please request
the Wrestling_chat today and don't get left behind from some great
excitement and entertainment on the WRESTLING_CHAT. Mark my words
"YOU WON'T REGRET IT"

You can also visit my wrestling news bulletin homepage at
http://www.pangea.ca/~emanuel/latest.html

Regards

Emanuel Moderator
Barry Laws Jr Co_Moderator

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NOTICES
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Future History

25 Sep 1997
Happy Birthday, Joaquim H. Homrighausen

13 Oct 1997
Thanksgiving Day, Canada.

1 Dec 1997
World AIDS Day.

10 Dec 1997
Nobel Day, Sweden.

12 Jan 1998
HAL 9000 is one year old today.

30 Apr 1998
Queens Day, Holland.

22 May 1998
Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.

1 Dec 1998
Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
Tom Jennings.

31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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[From 1431] Ed.

Latest Greatest Software Versions
by Peter E. Popovich, 1:363/264

Deadsville over here. A total of two updates in the last three weeks.

-=- Snip -=-

Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column

OS Platform :
Software package name :
Version :
Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. :
Freeware / Shareware / Commercial? :
Author / Support staff contact name :
Author / Support staff contact node :
Magic name (at the above-listed node) :

Please include a sentence describing what the package does.

Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

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MS-DOS:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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Act-Up 4.6 G D Chris Gunn 1:15/55 ACT-UP
ALLFIX 4.40 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 ALLFIX
Announcer 1.11 O S Peter Karlsson 2:206/221 ANNOUNCE
BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOS_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR4 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_DOS
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
CheckPnt 1.0a O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 CHECKPNT
FastEcho 1.45a T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FASTECHO
FastEcho/16 1.45a T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FE16
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTD
FidoBBS (tm) 12u B S Ray Brown 1:1/117 FILES
FrontDoor 2.12 M S JoHo 2:201/330 FD
FrontDoor 2.20c M C JoHo 2:201/330 FDINFO
GEcho 1.00 T S Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Plus 1.11 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GED
GoldED/386 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEX
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
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GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
Imail 1.75 T S Michael McCabe 1:1/121 IMAIL
ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
InfoMail/86 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFOMAIL
InfoMail/386 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFO386
InterEcho 1.19 T C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IEDEMO
InterMail 2.29k M C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IMDEMO
InterPCB 1.52 O S Peter Stewart 1:369/35 INTERPCB
IPNet 1.11 O S Michele Stewart 1:369/21 IPNET
JD's CBV 1.4 O S John Dailey 1:363/277 CBV
Jelly-Bean 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY
Jelly-Bean/386 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY386
JMail-Hudson 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-H
JMail-Goldbase 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-G
MakePl 1.9 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MAKEPL
Marena 1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MARENA
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAX
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUE
McMail 1.0 M S Michael McCabe 1:1/148 MCMAIL
MDNDP 1.18 N S Bill Doyle 1:388/7 MDNDP
Msged 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41D.ZIP
Msged/386 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41X.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFD
Opus CBCS 1.79 B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14 OPUS
O/T-Track 2.66 O S Peter Hampf 2:241/1090 OT
PcMerge 2.8 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
PlatinumXpress 1.3 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PX13TD.ZIP
QuickBBS 2.81 B S Ben Schollnick 1:2613/477 QUICKBBS
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR
RemoteAccess 2.50 B S Mark Lewis 1:3634/12 RA
Silver Xpress
Door 5.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 FILES
Reader 4.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 SXR44.ZIP
Spitfire 3.51 B S Mike Weaver 1:3670/3 SPITFIRE
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISH
StealTag UK 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_UK
StealTag NL 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_NL
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL
Telegard 3.02 B F Tim Strike 1:259/423 TELEGARD
Terminate 4.00 O S Bo Bendtsen 2:254/261 TERMINATE
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
TosScan 1.01 T C JoHo 2:201/330 TSINFO
TransNet 1.00 G S Marc S. Ressl 4:904/72 TN100ALL.ZIP
TriBBS 11.0 B S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIBBS
TriDog 11.0 T F Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIDOG
TriToss 11.0 T S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRITOSS
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
WWIV 4.24a B S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIV
WWIVTOSS 1.36 T S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIVTOSS
xMail 2.00 T S Thorsten Franke 2:2448/53 XMAIL
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XRDOS

OS/2:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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ALLFIX/2 1.10 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 AFIXOS2
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BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BOS2_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR4 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_OS2
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastEcho 1.45a T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FE2
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLST
FleetStreet 1.20 O S Michael Hohner 2:2490/2520 FLEET
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXP
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUEP
Msged/2 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41O.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEF
PcMerge 2.3 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR2
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISHP
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL2
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XROS2

Windows (16-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
FrontDoor APX 1.12 P S Mats Wallin 2:201/329 FDAPXW

Windows (32-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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Argus 95 2.62 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ARGUS95
Argus NT 2.62 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ARGUSNT
Argus NT/IP 2.62 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ARGUSIP
BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BW32_260.ZIP
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTW
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXN
Msged/NT 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41W.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFW
PlatinumXpress 2.00 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PXW-INFO
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAILNT
WinFOSSIL/95 1.12 r4 F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 WNFOSSIL.ZIP
WinFOSSIL/NT 1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 NTFOSSIL.ZIP

Unix:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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ifmail 2.10 M G Eugene Crosser 2:293/2219 IFMAIL
ifmail-tx ...tx8.4 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX
ifmail-tx.rpm ...tx8.4 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX.RPM
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK

Amiga:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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CrashMail 1.23 T X Fredrik Bennison 2:205/324 CRASHMAIL
CrashTick 1.1 O F Fredrik Bennison 2:205/324 CRASHTICK
DLG Pro BBOS 1.15 B C Holly Sullivan 1:202/720 DLGDEMO
GMS 1.1.85 M S Mirko Viviani 2:331/213 GMS
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK

TrapDoor 1.86.b2 M S Maximilian Hantsch
2:310/6 TRAPDOOR
TrapDoor 1.86.b2 M S Maximilian Hantsch
2:310/6 TRAPBETA
TrapToss 1.50 T S Rene Hexel 2:310/6 TRAPTOSS

Atari:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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ApplyList 1.00 N F Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH
BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2 M F Bill Scull 1:363/112 BINKLEY
BTNC 2.00 N G Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 BTNC
JetMail 0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker 2:2432/1101 JETMAIL
Semper 0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten 2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA

Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser,
C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will
be listed by the first match.

Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial,
X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source

Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

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File-request FNEWSKEY from 1:1/23 [1:18/14] or download it from the
Rights On! BBS at 1-904-409-7040 anytime except 0100-0130 ET and Zone
1 ZMH at 1200-9600+ HST/V32B. The FidoNews key is also available on
the FidoNews homepage listed in the Masthead information.

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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as
of this appearance.

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FidoNet:

Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html
HTML FNews http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6894/
WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
FTSC page http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/ftsc/ftscmirr.htm
Echomail http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html
WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html

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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org

Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

Region 13: http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm

Region 14: http://www.netins.net/showcase/fidonet/

Region 15: [disappeared?]

Region 16: http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm

Region 17: http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm
REC17: http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/

Region 18: http://www.citicom.com/fido.html

Region 19: http://www.compconn.net

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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org

ZEC2: http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/zec.htm
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/

Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German)

Region 25:
http://members.aol.com/Net254/

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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (in French)

Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (in Swiss)

Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian)

Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (in Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr

Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English)

Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl

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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

============

Zone 4: (not yet listed)

Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish)

============

Zone 5: http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org

Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China)

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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------

Editor: Christopher Baker

Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
Donald Tees

"FidoNews Editor"
FidoNet 1:1/23
BBS 1-904-409-7040, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(ds)

more addresses:
Christopher Baker -- 1:18/14, [email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

(Postal Service mailing address)
FidoNews Editor
P.O. Box 471
Edgewater, FL 32132-0471
U.S.A.

voice: 1-904-409-3040 [1400-2100 ET only, please]
[1800-0100 UTC/GMT]

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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
FidoNews.

Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
Copyright 1997 Christopher Baker. All rights reserved. Duplication
and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For
use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or
the Editor.

=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=

OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or
file-request, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet.
PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request
FNEWS for the current month in one archive. Or file-request specific
back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSEnn.ZIP] for a
FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 25 18 Aug 1997

particular Issue. Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP
where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
current year [7], i.e., FNWSFEB7.ZIP for all the Issues from Feb 97.

Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
1 - 14 for 1984 - 1997, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in
size from 48K to 1.4M.

INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:

http://www.fidonet.org/fidonews.htm
ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.aminet.org/pub/aminet/comm/fido/

*=*=*

You may obtain an email subscription to FidoNews by sending email to:

[email protected]

with a Subject line of: subscribe fnews-edist

and no message in the message body. To remove your name from the email
distribution use a Subject line of: unsubscribe fnews-edist with no
message to the same address above.

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You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6894/

STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request -
Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from:

ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/

Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
for that year's issues. The total set is currently about 11 Megs.

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The current week's FidoNews and the FidoNews public-key are now also
available almost immediately after publication on the Editor's new
homepage on the World Wide Web at:

http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html

There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an email
link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over.

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A PGP generated public-key is available for the FidoNews Editor from
FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 26 18 Aug 1997

1:1/23 [1:18/14] by file-request for FNEWSKEY or by download from
Rights On! BBS at 1-904-409-7040 as FIDONEWS.ASC in File Area 18. It
is also posted twice a month into the PKEY_DROP Echo available on the
Zone 1 Echomail Backbone.

*=*=*=*=*

SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews Editor, or file-requestable
from 1:1/23 [1:18/14] as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". ALL Zone Coordinators
also have copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it.

"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141,
and are used with permission.

"Disagreement is actually necessary,
or we'd all have to get in fights
or something to amuse ourselves
and create the requisite chaos."
-Tom Jennings

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