Volume 8, Number 12                                 25 March 1991
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    Editor in Chief:                                  Vince Perriello
    Editors Emeritii:                    Thom Henderson,  Dale Lovell
    Chief Procrastinator Emeritus:                       Tom Jennings

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    For use in other circumstances, please  contact  Fido Software.

    FidoNews  is  published  weekly by and for  the  Members  of  the
    FidoNet (r) International Amateur Electronic Mail System.   It is
    a compilation of individual articles contributed by their authors
    or authorized agents of the authors. The contribution of articles
    to this compilation does not diminish the rights of the authors.

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    and are not necessarily  those of the Editor or of Fido Software.
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    responsible submission received.


                       Table of Contents
    1. ARTICLES  .................................................  1
       FidoNet Survey  ...........................................  1
       Just another fairy tale?  .................................  7
    2. COLUMNS  .................................................. 10
       A submission for fidonews about the CIFC BBS List  ........ 10
    3. LATEST VERSIONS  .......................................... 11
       Latest Software Versions  ................................. 11
    4. NOTICES  .................................................. 16
       The Interrupt Stack  ...................................... 16
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                                ARTICLES
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    Mitch Thompson
    FidoNET 1:383/15

    The following survey was submitted for a user on my system.
    He asks that persons interested in helping him with this
    thesis project please place this survey (a message on a local
    message area is the easiest) on their BBS, collect the
    results, and send them to him.  You could netmail them, or
    get in touch with me somehow, and I'll F'Req them from your
    systems, or something.  Thank you in advance for your
    participation.

    Mitch Thompson

                         FidoNet Survey

     by Kenneth Lansing of Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas.

    This survey is designed as a graduate school thesis project.
    Your help in answering this research would be most helpful.
    Please take a few minutes to answer the following questions.
    All answers will be kept confidential and users will remain
    anonymous.

    1) What type of computer are you using?
    (e.g., Amiga 500, Macintosh SE)
    Please type answer:



    2) How did you find out about this BBS?
    (e.g., Friend, teacher, co-worker, another BBS)
    Please type answer:



    3) Is your call to this BBS
       A) local?
       B) long distance?
    Type corresponding letter:

    4) Are you the SYSOP (systems operator) of this BBS?
       A) yes
       B) no
    Type corresponding letter:

    5) On average, how often do you use this BBS?
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       A) once a month or less
       B) two or three times a month
       C) once a week
       D) two or three times a week
       E) once a day
       F) several times a day
    Type corresponding letter:

    6) On average, how long do you use this BBS during a week?
       A) less than 15 minutes
       B) 15 to 30 minutes
       C) 30 minutes to 1 hour
       D) 1 to 2 hours
       E) 3 to 4 hours
       F) 5 to 6 hours
       G) more than 6 hours
    Type corresponding letter:

    7) Do you use more than one BBS?
       A) yes
       B) no
    Type corresponding letter:

    8) How long have you been using a computer and modem to connect
       to BBSes?
       A) less than 1 month
       B) 1 to 6 months
       C) 6 months to 1 year
       D) 1 to 2 years
       E) 3 to 5 years
       F) 6 to 8 years
       G) more than 8 years
    Type corresponding letter:

    9) How long have you been using a computer and modem to connect
       to "this" BBS?
       A) less than 1 month
       B) 1 to 6 months
       C) 6 months to 1 year
       D) 1 to 2 years
       E) 3 to 5 years
       F) 6 to 8 years
       G) more than 8 years
    Type corresponding letter:

    10) Approximately, how many different people do you exchange
    information or communicate with through this BBS?
       A) zero
       B) 1 to 4
       C) 5 to 10
       D) 11 to 15
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       E) more than 16
    Type corresponding letter:

    11) Approximately, how often do you use this BBS to communicate
    with other users of this BBS?
       A) never
       B) once a month
       C) 2 to 3 times a month
       D) once a week
       E) 2 to 3 times a week
       F) once a day
       G) several times a day
    Type corresponding letter:

    12) Approximately, how often do you use this BBS to communicate
    with people on other local BBSes?
       A) never
       B) once a month
       C) 2 to 3 times a month
       D) once a week
       E) 2 to 3 times a week
       F) once a day
       G) several times a day
    Type corresponding letter:

    13) Approximately, how often do you use this BBS to communicate
    with people on out-of-state BBSes (within the United States)?
       A) never
       B) once a month
       C) 2 to 3 times a month
       D) once a week
       E) 2 or 3 times a week
       F) more than 3 times a week
    Type corresponding letter:

    14) Please approximate how often you use this BBS to communicate
    internationally?
       A) never
       B) once a month
       C) 2 to 3 times a month
       D) once a week
       E) 2 or 3 times a week
       F) more than 3 times a week
    Type corresponding letter:

    15) On average, how often do you use this BBS to download
    computer files/programs?
       A) never
       B) once a month
       C) 2 to 3 times a month
       D) once a week
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       E) 2 to 3 times a week
       F) once a day
       G) several times a day
    Type corresponding letter:

    16) On average, how often do you use this BBS to upload computer
    files/programs?
       A) never
       B) once a month
       C) 2 to 3 times a month
       D) once a week
       E) 2 or 3 times a week
       F) once a day
       G) several times a day
    Type corresponding letter:

    17) On average, how often do you use this BBS to play games?
       A) never
       B) once a month
       C) 2 to 3 times a month
       D) once a week
       E) 2 or 3 times a week
       F) once a day
       G) several times a day
    Type corresponding letter:

    18) On average, how often do you use this BBS for Echomail/Group
    Mail/Special Interest Group (SIG) Conferences?
       A) never
       B) once a month
       C) 2 to 3 times a month
       D) once a week
       E) 2 or 3 times a week
       F) once a day
       G) several times a day
    Type corresponding letter:

    19) What is your common use of this BBS?
       A) Download computer files/programs
       B) Upload computer files/programs
       C) Read or download newsletters
       D) Read message area
       E) Games
       F) EchoMail/Group Mail/Special Interest Group Conferences
       G) Electronic Mail (E-Mail)
       H) NetMail
       I) Chat with Sysop
       J) Other
    Type corresponding letter:

    20) Please rate the overall quality of this BBS:
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       A) very good
       B) good
       C) neither good nor bad
       D) bad
       E) very bad
    Type corresponding letter:

    Answers for the follwoing questions will be kept confidential
    and anonymous.

    21) Are you?
       A) male
       B) female
    Type corresponding letter:

    22) What is your ethnic background?
       A) White
       B) African-American/Black
       C) Hispanic
       D) Asian
       E) Other
    Type corresponding letter:

    23) What is your highest education level completed?
       A) Elementary School
       B) Some High School
       C) High School graduate
       D) Some College
       E) College graduate
       F) Post-Graduate studies
    Type corresponding letter:

    24) Which of these categories includes your total annual income?
       A) More than $50,000
       B) $40,000 - $49,999
       C) $20,000 - $39,999
       D) $10,000 - $19,999
       E) Under $10,000
    Type corresponding letter:

    25) What is your current marital status?
       A) Single
       B) Divorced or separated
       C) Married
       D) Widowed
    Type corresponding letter:

    26) What is your age?
       A) Under 10
       B) 10 - 19
       C) 20 - 29
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       D) 30 - 39
       E) 40 - 49
       F) Over 50
    Type corresponding letter:


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    FidoNews 8-12                Page 7                   25 Mar 1991


    Glenn Caleval
    1:140/1

                         JUST ANOTHER FAIRY TALE?

    Once upon a time there was a group of friends and strangers who
    wanted to talk to one another through a magical wonder known in
    the arcana as Computer Communications.

    The original wizards of the mystic art commanded the forces of
    nature to bind them to another, a small coven of Touch Typists
    and Techies. And behold, it was good.

    Therefore the wizards proclaimed "let us prosyletize!" and they
    did. Soon the coven grew from a few to many. And then many more
    and many more until the group multiplied to cover the face of the
    Earth with their mystic arts and magical incantations. And still
    it was good.

    The group was a group but was not, and in that it was not was its
    strength and so it grew. In diverse places on the Earth did new
    groups both large and small appear, different each with its own
    strange customs and unusual deeds, yet all part of the first
    group. And together they would incant "F-i-d-o-n-e-t, ohmmmm."
    For that which tied them was fragile, little more than wire and
    strange numbers in a magical list.

    But for all the numbers and wire, a beast lurked in the midst of
    the group and the beast had a name and it was "Annoyance." For
    though the magic was powerful and shone forth in its awe, none
    would ever bleed from misuse of the force. No limb be torn, nor
    brow bruised by evil use of the magic. But still this one beast
    arose and many became obsessed with the name of Annoyance.

    Then darkly through the monitor spake a voice of darkness.
    "Policy," it said. "Policy will make us like unto one another and
    thus will we be rid of the beast."

    And there was much rushing hither and yon, and whispering and
    rumors of war and much ado about this new weapon, Policy.

    Said the Moderator, "And it shall say that I am the lord god of
    my dominions and none shall challenge me on penalty of echodeath!"

    Said the NEC, "And it shall say that no NC shall rise up against
    me lest Policy be brought against him and he shall surely rue
    that day."

    Said the REC, "And I shall be the master of all I survey and I
    shall know what is right in my principalities and I shall cause
    the underlings beneath me to walk in righteousness by the name of
    Policy."

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    Said the ZEC, "Policy hath forsaken me to my doom and I shall
    never say what I think lest someone disagree with me."

    Said the NC, "We are not Annoyed."

    Said the RC, "We are not annoited."

    Said the ZC, "We are not amused."

    Said the frustrated sysop, "And I shall use the might of Policy
    to Vote, to Vote, and I shall be rid of all my frustration and
    rid of all those who would coordinate me."

    Said the Average Sysop, "Who are all these people anyway?"

    And concern begat discussion which begat debate which begat
    argument which begat bitterness which begat Policy. And no one
    got kissed before they got begat.

                                   ###

    PostLogue

    From Echopol to ZEC elections to the New Jerusalem of Policy 5,
    this fairy tale is no creative writing. FidoNet is a connection
    more than it is a group. Indeed, the individual systems in a
    given net differ more than they are alike, in views, in purpose,
    in modus operandi and often even in hardware/software
    configurations.

    We are not a homogeneous unit. We have two things that actually
    bind us: general purpose (to communicate) and general method (the
    nodelist). Beyond that it's work and as much good luck as we can
    get.

    The problems all the buzzing is intended to solve really do come
    down to matters of being annoyed. Sure foolish users or sysops
    can cost us all money, but if anyone thinks the power of policy
    will or should eliminate this annoyance their dream will be
    shaken when we wake up in the New Jerusalem. We will still have
    (and need to tolerate) foolish users and sysops.

    Giving sysops a vote will solve the problems, right? Join the new
    Coffee echo and have a smell. Giving sysops voting rights is
    going to cause considerably more problems than it could pretend
    to solve. Witness the ZEC elections.

    Annoyed sysops will vote, campaign, stir up bad feelings and
    replicate Z1_Election many times in the future. The Average Sysop
    will continue to wonder "Who are these guys anyway?"

    FidoNews 8-12                Page 9                   25 Mar 1991


    What problem were we trying to solve? Feeling helpless cause you
    didn't get your way? Just wait until some of those folks have a
    "mandate" and worry about not getting your way.

    Mad because the Moderator doesn't let you enter msgs about the
    price of candy in the tech echo? Electing a new one won't make
    much difference unless you all want a candy echo instead. So
    start a candy echo.

    All this aside it is my personal opinion that we can survive
    within the constraints of the most recent cut of Echopol and the
    newest proposed WorldPol/Policy5. But as we jump into the fray,
    perhaps a little fairy tale might be useful...



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                                 COLUMNS
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    Matt Barton
    FidoNet: 1:231/70.0

                          CIFC BBS List

        We here in net 231 have the opurtunity to participate
    in a new idea using FidoNet(r) technology. It's called the
    Central Indiana FidoNet Cooperative BBS List. It enables
    users to submit entries into a large database of BBS's using
    questionares for Qbbs/Ra/Sbbs.

        This idea was conceived of by a person name Casey
    Schaphorst of 1:231/240.0 (Falx Cerebri Amiga). He wrote
    the program that processes updates and publishes the lists.
    So far, the program creates three files. They are:
    LOCALBBS.ASC, SHORTBBS.ASC, and CIFC_RPT.ASC. All or which
    are sent out by the host node of the list.

        According to the date that this was written, there are
    seven things that a user may do to create an update to the
    list: Add, Change, Verify, Describe, Link A Subheading,
    Restore, and Delete. Like a said before, the updates are
    generated by the Qbbs/Ra/Sbbs questionare languages. There
    is a seperate questionare for each type of update. Around
    6:00am to 7:00am a batch file runs that will check to see
    if any updates have been made. If some were found, it will
    rename them, zip them up, and using a robot program, will
    send it to the host node (231/240).

        Right now.. It doesn't seem that the CIFC BBS List will
    get any farther than Central Indiana. The list is only limted
    to what we have right now. Hopefully it will expand to
    incorperate other nets around Central Indiana.

        I would like to know if there is anyone else that has
    experimented with something like this. Please feel free
    to netmail me or something. I'm at 1:231/70.0.

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                             LATEST VERSIONS
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                        Latest Software Versions

                             MS-DOS Systems
                             --------------

                          Bulletin Board Software
    Name        Version    Name        Version    Name       Version

    DMG            2.93    Phoenix         1.3    TAG           2.5g
    Fido            12s+   QuickBBS       2.66    TBBS           2.1
    GSBBS          3.02    RBBS          17.3B    TComm/TCommNet 3.4
    Lynx           1.30    RBBSmail      17.3B    Telegard       2.5
    Kitten         2.16    RemoteAccess   1.00*   TPBoard        6.1
    Maximus        1.02    SLBBS          1.77A   Wildcat!      2.55
    Opus           1.14+   Socrates       1.10    WWIV          4.12
    PCBoard        14.5                           XBBS          1.15

    Network                Node List              Other
    Mailers     Version    Utilities   Version    Utilities  Version

    BinkleyTerm    2.40    EditNL         4.00    ARC            7.0
    D'Bridge       1.30    MakeNL         2.31    ARCAsim       2.30
    Dutchie       2.90C    ParseList      1.30    ARCmail       2.07
    FrontDoor     1.99c    Prune          1.40    ConfMail      4.00
    PRENM          1.47    SysNL          3.14    Crossnet      v1.5
    SEAdog        4.51b    XlatList       2.90    DOMAIN        1.42
    TIMS      1.0(Mod8)    XlaxDiff       2.35    EMM           2.02
                           XlaxNode       2.35    4Dog/4DMatrix 1.18
                                                  Gmail         2.05
                                                  GROUP         2.16
                                                  GUS           1.30
                                                  HeadEdit      1.15
                                                  InterPCB      1.31
                                                  LHARC         2.10*
                                                  MSG            4.1
                                                  MSGED         2.06
                                                  MSGTOSS        1.3
                                                  Oliver        1.0a
                                                  PK[UN]ZIP     1.10
                                                  QM             1.0
                                                  QSORT         4.03
                                                  Sirius        1.0x
                                                  SLMAIL        1.36
                                                  StarLink      1.01
                                                  TagMail       2.41
                                                  TCOMMail       2.2
                                                  Telemail      1.27
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                                                  TMail         1.15
                                                  TPBNetEd       3.2
                                                  TosScan       1.00
                                                  UFGATE        1.03
                                                  XRS           4.10*
                                                  XST            2.2
                                                  ZmailH        1.14


                               OS/2 Systems
                               ------------

    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    Maximus-CBCS       1.02   BinkleyTerm  2.40   Parselst      1.32
                                                  ConfMail      4.00
                                                  EchoStat       6.0
                                                  oMMM          1.52
                                                  Omail          3.1
                                                  MsgEd         2.06
                                                  MsgLink       1.0C
                                                  MsgNum        4.14
                                                  LH2           0.50
                                                  PK[UN]ZIP     1.02
                                                  ARC2          6.00
                                                  PolyXARC      2.00
                                                  Qsort          2.1
                                                  Raid           1.0
                                                  Remapper       1.2
                                                  Tick           2.0
                                                  VPurge        2.07


                                Xenix/Unix
                                ----------

    BBS Software                  Mailers         Other Utilities
    Name             Version  Name      Version   Name       Version

                              BinkleyTerm 2.30b   Unzip         3.10
                                                  ARC           5.21
                                                  ParseLst     1.30b
                                                  ConfMail     3.31b
                                                  Ommm         1.40b
                                                  Msged        1.99b
                                                  Zoo           2.01
                                                  C-Lharc       1.00
                                                  Omail        1.00b

    FidoNews 8-12                Page 13                  25 Mar 1991


                                  Apple II
                                 ----------

    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    GBBS Pro            2.1   Fruity Dog    1.0   ShrinkIt       3.2
    DDBBS +             4.0                       ShrinkIt GS   1.04
                                                  deARC2e        2.1
                                                  ProSel        8.65


                                Apple CP/M
                                ----------

    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    Daisy               v2j   Daisy Mailer 0.38   Nodecomp      0.37
                                                  MsgUtil        2.5
                                                  PackUser        v4
                                                  Filer         v2-D
                                                  UNARC.COM     1.20


                                Macintosh
                                ---------

    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    Red Ryder Host     2.1    Tabby         2.2   MacArc         0.04
    Mansion            7.15   Copernicus    1.0   ArcMac          1.3
    WWIV (Mac)         3.0                        LHArc          0.33
    Hermes             1.01                       StuffIt Classic 1.6
    FBBS               0.91                       Compactor      1.21
                                                  TImport        1.92
                                                  TExport        1.92
                                                  Timestamp       1.6
                                                  Tset            1.3
                                                  Import          3.2
                                                  Export         3.21
                                                  Sundial         3.2
                                                  PreStamp        3.2
                                                  OriginatorII    2.0
                                                  AreaFix         1.6
                                                  Mantissa       3.21
                                                  Zenith          1.5
    FidoNews 8-12                Page 14                  25 Mar 1991


                                                  Eventmeister    1.0
                                                  TSort           1.0
                                                  Mehitable       2.0
                                                  UNZIP         1.02c

                                  Amiga
                                  -----

    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    Paragon           2.082+  BinkleyTerm  1.00   AmigArc       0.23
    TransAmiga         1.05   TrapDoor     1.50   AReceipt       1.5
                              WelMat       0.42   booz          1.01
                                                  ConfMail      1.10
                                                  ChameleonEdit 0.10
                                                  ElectricHerald1.66
                                                  Lharc         1.30
                                                  MessageFilter 1.52
                                                  oMMM         1.49b
                                                  ParseLst      1.30
                                                  PkAX          1.00
                                                  PK[UN]ZIP     1.01
                                                  PolyxAmy      2.02
                                                  RMB           1.30
                                                  RoboWriter    1.02
                                                  Skyparse      2.30
                                                  TrapList      1.12
                                                  Yuck!         1.61
                                                  Zippy (Unzip) 1.25
                                                  Zoo           2.01



                               Atari ST/TT
                               -----------

    Bulletin Board         Network                Node List
    Software    Version    Mailer      Version    Utilities  Version

    FIDOdoor/ST    2.12*   BinkleyTerm   2.40l*   ParseList     1.30
    QuickBBS/ST    1.02    The BOX        1.20    Xlist         1.12
    Pandora BBS   2.41c                           EchoFix       1.20
    GS Point       0.61                           sTICk/Hatch   5.10*
    LED ST         1.00
    MSGED         1.96S

    Archiver               Msg Format             Other
    Utilities   Version    Converters  Version    Utilities  Version

    FidoNews 8-12                Page 15                  25 Mar 1991


    LHARC          0.60    TB2BINK        1.00    ConfMail      4.03
    ARC            6.02    BINK2TB        1.00    ComScan       1.02
    PKUNZIP        1.10    FiFo           2.1j*   Import        1.14
                                                  OMMM          1.40
                                                  Pack          1.00
                                                  FastPack      1.20
                                                  FDsysgen      2.16
                                                  FDrenum       2.10
                                                  Trenum        0.10



                               Archimedes
                               ----------

    BBS Software           Mailers                Utilities
    Name        Version    Name        Version    Name       Version

    ARCbbs         1.44    BinkleyTerm    2.03    Unzip        2.1TH
                                                  ARC           1.03
                                                  !Spark       2.00d

                                                  ParseLst      1.30
                                                  BatchPacker   1.00


    + Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software)
    * Recently changed

    Utility authors:  Please help  keep  this  list  up  to  date  by
    reporting  new  versions  to 1:1/1.  It is not our intent to list
    all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.

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                                 NOTICES
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                         The Interrupt Stack


    30 Mar 1991
       Jim Grubs (W8GRT) was issued his first ham radio license forty
       years ago today. His first station was made from an ARC-5
       "Command Set" removed from a B-17 bomber.

    12 May 1991
       Fourth anniversary of FidoNet operations in Latin America and
       second anniversary of the creation of Zone-4.

    15 Aug 1991
       5th annual Z1 Fido Convention - FidoCon '91 "A New Beginning"
       Sheraton Denver West August 15 through August 18 1991.

     8 Sep 1991
       25th anniversary of first airing of Star Trek on NBC!

     7 Oct 1991
       Area code  415  fragments.   Alameda and Contra Costa Counties
       will  begin  using  area  code  510.   This includes  Oakland,
       Concord, Berkeley  and  Hayward.    San  Francisco, San Mateo,
       Marin, parts of  Santa Clara County, and the San Francisco Bay
       Islands will retain area code 415.

     1 Feb 1992
       Area  code 213 fragments.    Western,  coastal,  southern  and
       eastern portions of Los Angeles  County  will begin using area
       code 310.  This includes Los  Angeles  International  Airport,
       West  Los  Angeles,  San  Pedro and Whittier.    Downtown  Los
       Angeles  and  surrounding  communities  (such as Hollywood and
       Montebello) will retain area code 213.

     1 Dec 1993
       Tenth anniversary of Fido Version 1 release.

     5 Jun 1997
       David Dodell's 40th Birthday


    If you have something which you would like to see on this
    calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.

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