Volume 8, Number  7                              18 February 1991
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    Editor in Chief:                                  Vince Perriello
    Editors Emeritii:                    Thom Henderson,  Dale Lovell
    Chief Procrastinator Emeritus:                       Tom Jennings

    Copyright 1991, Fido Software.  All rights reserved.  Duplication
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    For use in other circumstances, please  contact  Fido Software.

    FidoNews  is  published  weekly by and for  the  Members  of  the
    FidoNet (r) International Amateur Electronic Mail System.   It is
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    to this compilation does not diminish the rights of the authors.

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                       Table of Contents
    1. ARTICLES  .................................................  1
       And on This Anniversary  ..................................  1
       Editorial: Support Your Favorite Online Service?  .........  3
       Compression method flag?  .................................  6
    2. COLUMNS  ..................................................  7
       InterChange, Getting it there  ............................  7
    3. LATEST VERSIONS  ..........................................  9
       Latest Software Versions  .................................  9
    4. NOTICES  .................................................. 14
       Sincerest apology, FidoNet  ............................... 14
       The Interrupt Stack  ...................................... 14
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    Aaron Goldblatt
    1:130/20.1102 FidoNet
    20:491/223.0  MailNet
    45:200/52.0   RATnet


                   And on This Anniversary . . .

    After seeing my article in FidoNews 806 I decided to do it
    again.  Please forgive me but it's an ego thing.  :-)

    This week I'd like to talk about echomail.  Yes, that's
    right, the method by which we communicate about all sorts of
    topics from cooking to politics to C++ to idle chatter.

    If you're like most people you're reading this on Monday
    evening after a day at work, and today is February 18, 1991.
    The date is important in this one instance, for last
    Saturday, as noted in the Interrupt Stack for quite a while,
    was the fifth anniversary of the introduction of echomail by
    a man named Jeff Rush.

    I think it proper that we all take a moment to reflect on
    what the past five years have brought us as a result of
    Mr. Rush's scheme of mail transfer.  The average user can
    talk to people as far away as China and Sweden free of
    charge by just reading and entering a message.  The average
    sysop can do likewise, and also discuss BBS and mailer
    software, mail processors, doorware, and a host of other
    things.  Echomail is primarily a form of communication.
    That is what it was intended for, I think - for people to be
    able to talk to one another using a simple yet powerful
    medium (those of you still trying to get your mail
    processors to pack your mail correctly may differ on the
    simple part, but I think you must admit it is a powerful
    method of communication).  The average message on an
    international echo could travel around the globe in less
    that two days, and a reply could be on its way in less than
    three.  Wow - netmail can't do that by its very nature.

    So just stop and think a moment.  Echomail is not a tool by
    which you may control people ("Do it my way or your feed is
    history!"), and it is not a vehicle for individual
    betterment.  It is a way to talk - to communicate - to
    exchange ideas and information.  And it seems to have become
    the very basis of FidoNet.

    FidoNews 8-07                Page 2                   18 Feb 1991


    Just stop and think a moment what echomail has done for you.
    That's all I ask.

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    FidoNews 8-07                Page 3                   18 Feb 1991


    Jack Decker
    1:154/8

                SUPPORT YOUR FAVORITE ONLINE SERVICE?

    [My apologies in advance to those readers located outside of
    the United States of America, because the following editorial
    probably won't be of much interest to you, but there is no
    "Zone 1" or "U.S.A. only" edition of Fidonews.]

    The following item recently appeared in Communications Week, a
    telecommunications trade publication:

    "COALITION PETITIONS FCC - A broad coalition of users and
    providers of enhanced services last week petitioned the FCC to
    declare that regulating enhanced-service providers as if they
    are public utilities is contrary to the public interest.
    Noting that the District of Columbia Public Service Commission
    has tentatively concluded that it has the authority to impose
    tariff requirements and market-entry and -exit rules on
    enhanced-service providers, the 16 petitioners urged the FCC to
    pre-empt any such state regulatory action.  The District
    proceeding is prompting some enhanced-service providers to
    consider restructuring their services 'and possibly restricting
    offerings in the District,' the petitioners said.  Among the
    petitioners were BT Tymnet Inc., the California Bankers
    Clearing House Association, CompuServe Inc., Digital Equipment
    Corp., IBM, the Information Industry Association, MasterCard
    International Inc., McGraw Hill Inc., Prodigy Services Co. and
    Visa U.S.A. Inc." [End of quote.]

    Now, many of us use, or have in the past used enhanced-service
    providers (we sometimes call them "Packet Switching Networks"
    or "Online Services").  And, our first inclination might be
    that we don't really want each of the 50 states setting
    different regulations and requirements for the various
    providers.

    But, there are those of us who remember not so long ago when
    the enhanced-service providers were asking everyone to lobby
    the FCC on their behalf, so that they wouldn't have to pay the
    same types of access charges that voice long distance carriers
    have to pay to local telephone companies.  Telenet (now
    SprintNet) in particular asked all their users, including users
    of their PC Pursuit service, to write the FCC on their behalf.
    The FCC was swamped with letters of protest (as were several
    congressmen), and plans to levy the access charge were dropped.
    And how did the enhanced-service providers reward those who had
    written on their behalf?  Well, in Telenet's case, they changed
    the pricing structure on PC Pursuit so that instead of paying a
    flat rate for monthly service, you paid a higher rate for a
    service with a 30 hour cap... and very few of their promises to
    upgrade equipment in various cities and add new access points
    were kept (we were promised an indial in Sault Ste. Marie,
    Michigan over two years ago.  We're still waiting).  To say
    that a lot of PC Pursuit users felt like they had been shafted
    FidoNews 8-07                Page 4                   18 Feb 1991


    is probably more than just a bit of an understatement!

    Well, there's a pretty good chance that the enhanced-service
    providers may come around asking for your support again.  May I
    offer a suggestion?  Go ahead and write the FCC and urge that
    the enhanced-service providers be subject to Federal regulation
    only in all states in which they offer universal access...
    that is, full access to all their services at the price of a
    local call, from any point within the state, so that those
    living in suburban and rural areas are not disadvantaged.  In
    those states where access is not universal, however, the states
    should have regulatory jurisdiction.

    What's the rationale behind this?  Well, apparently the FCC and
    the Federal government aren't too interested in seeing that the
    enhanced-service providers don't "cherry pick" - that is, offer
    services only in the more lucrative major metropolitan areas
    and medium-size cities, while ignoring the smaller cities and
    rural areas.  However, the state governments would presumably
    be somewhat more responsive to the needs of all their
    residents, including those that live in the outlying areas.

    The concept of "universal service" has been applied to the
    telephone industry for quite some time.  In many areas, even if
    you can't reach an alternate long distance carrier by using
    "dial 1" access, you can get to their switch by using a
    "950-xxxx" access number, which is generally a free call from
    anywhere in a LATA (even if you have to dial a "1" or "0" first
    to make the call go through an older switch).  If the long
    distance carriers can achieve "universal service" (or something
    very close to it) through use of the "950-" numbers, I wonder
    why the enhanced-service providers can't put some of their
    access ports on "950-" numbers, so as to make them available in
    areas outside of the major cities.

    The city that I live in has a population of over fifteen
    thousand, a state university, the headquarters of TWO electric
    power utilities, the headquarters of two banks plus branch
    offices of several other financial institutions, and several
    state and federal offices, all within the local calling area.
    We are also THE major shopping area for folks living within a
    50-mile radius.  If none of the enhanced-service providers are
    interested in providing service here, I can just imagine how
    long the wait will be for those small towns that have only a
    couple of gas stations, a small supermarket, and a dry goods
    store.  If the telephone companies offered service the way the
    packet networks do, I might have to drive 150 miles to make or
    receive a long distance call!

    Those of you who are concerned with the environment
    (specifically, air pollution caused by thousands of automobiles
    stuck in traffic jams), and who have advocated "telecommuting"
    (working at home using a computer and modem) as one possible
    solution should be especially concerned about this.  No one is
    going to pay several dollars an hour in long distance charges
    to work from their home!  So because access to the
    FidoNews 8-07                Page 5                   18 Feb 1991


    packet-switching networks is not often available from the "far
    suburbs" of a city, the workers that have to travel the
    furthest (and use the most gasoline) are forced by economics to
    drive to work even when that work could be done from home.

    So, if you are asked to write to the FCC, please consider
    making your support conditional upon the enhanced-service
    providers showing some "corporate responsibility" and not
    thumbing their collective noses at the smaller cities.  It is
    high time that the enhanced-service providers realized that
    there is life outside the big cities, and that those folks
    deserve access, too.  As it is, folks in some foreign countries
    can access U.S. online services and packet networks for less
    than what it costs folks in some of our own rural areas (in
    many countries you can access the packet network as a local
    call from any telephone exchange in the country!).

    One final note - those of you who only call BBS's and who don't
    subscribe to any of the online services may wonder why you
    should even care about this.  Well, just keep in mind that some
    of those great programs that you've downloaded from your
    favorite BBS (or that your users have uploaded to you, if
    you're a SysOp) may have originally reached your area through a
    packet-switching network or online service.  The more folks
    that can economically access such services, the faster new
    software travels around the world.  Besides, someday YOU may
    have a need to access an online service from somewhere out in
    the boonies!

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    FidoNews 8-07                Page 6                   18 Feb 1991


    Kristian (Kris) Stark
    1:260/400 1:260/420

    As Bruce Gingery noted in his article in FidoNews 806 (Feb 11,
    1991), there is still a general problem with file compression.
    As it is now, there are several different formats being used for
    compressed files within the net that cannot use the standard
    compressed file extensions. (ie. ZIP, PAK, ARC etc)  This holds
    true for nodelists/diffs as well as our beloved friends, the
    mail packets that come.  Bruce mentioned the usage in an
    alternate network of a single character change to make life
    easier for sysops and others looking for files and how to
    decompress it.  Well, that is all well and good, but something
    is still lacking.

    Today, most nodes support compressed mail packets.  This is
    easily determined by looking at the latest nodelist, which will
    give an indication of what nodes do support ArcMail, and which
    do not.  However, time has passed, and ARC is definately not the
    best archiving metheod available for use anymore.  Many sysops
    with considerable echo traffic have realized this and have
    switched to other compression methods for echomail.  All well
    and good for sending mail between known systems, but what about
    others?  Even netmail is starting to move in compressed files,
    with the all too vague extensions.  What decompressor should I
    use for mail from node x?  How about y?  What should I use to
    compress mail for node z?

    Suggestion?  Well, it would seem like the most logical way to
    take care of this situation would be to add a flag to the
    nodelist.  Yes, it means adding to the size of that already huge
    file, but I think it would be worth it. Instead of the MN flag
    (no compression supported), a separate flag could be implemented
    that would define the preferred compression format for that
    node. This flag could then be automatically used by programs
    such as echomail tossers, mailers, and by human users as well.

    So, my question is -- what to do?  This is one suggestion, more
    are welcome...


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                                 COLUMNS
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    Bruce Gingery
    FidoNet 1:310/5.1

             YAPPPI (Yet another packet proposal - part 1)

    Our computer telecommunications has been growing by leaps and
    bounds.  FidoNet is officially part of InterNet, with regular
    gates to everywhere.   I believe I even saw an Origin line from
    Antarctica, as a point from a Zone-3 node not too long ago.

    The growth is not merely geographical, however.  In addition,
    there are STILL greater varieties of the types and forms of com-
    munication.   While true action video mail remains a twinkle in
    the eye of some, the NeXT pastes a "lips" icon to a message for
    far more than the old "sealed with a kiss".  Click the lips, and
    you LISTEN to the digitized accompanying voice mail recording,
    music or whatever digitized sound has been mailed, in CD quality.

    Fax machines, and fax boards get faster and finer.  More and
    more detail is included in high resolution graphics images and
    digitized video, in resolution, in depth of color or graytone,
    desired transparency, as well as overall height and width.  And
    more and more, the computer is THE hub of it all.

    With each new development, from the original swapping of a
    message base, to today's 4-d addressing of all continents,
    FidoNet is the "compatibility" standard because the people
    whose heart is in it, do it best.  And FidoNet has established
    a fairness tradition of accepting the new without dropping those
    who are not yet mechanically able to embrace the new.

    Because of this also, however, we have MANY proposed standards,
    and probably should.  Though we can extend our hands together
    to Tom Jennings, no single person could have brought even the
    readership of this FidoNews together, let alone the uncounted
    users who actually participate in the Networks to which we
    are connected by these keyboards and screens.

    The fast growth has started, and many of the kludges will have
    to fall behind, just as patches on an outfit are lost when that
    portion of the clothing is replaced.   Yet, in the tradition of
    FTS-0001, we can not justly abandon anyone who can now partici-
    pate.

    In the next several weeks, I will attempt to illustrate how
    packets, messages, tick-files, compressed mail and these other
    advances can be smoothly integrated, while leaving the connect-
    ion OPEN for those who cannot quickly move into these advances.
    Already, the sheer bulk of the full NodeList makes it nearly
    impossible for some to "FULLY" participate, but the tree hier-
    archy makes allowances for that, allowing the use of partial
    nodelists by those who cannot support the entire list, and even
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    more, POINTing as the rest of the network can reasonably presume
    Boss routing for unlisted point systems.

    This proposal IS for two new packet headers, but with a powerful
    difference.  These are equally applicable to packets and the
    single message, and to the free flow of files of all types
    without choking the network on unprocessable problems.  It also
    allows for streamlining of processing, at origin,  in transit
    and at the ultimate leaf destination.

    There has been a tremendous growth of POINT activity, in all
    zones, but, as I have been told, especially in zone two.  In
    recognition of this, these type-4 and type-5 headers allow for
    full 4-d addressing.   With 4-d addressing, the POINT is, of
    course, the ultimate "leaf" in the FidoNet tree structure.
    Full implementation of 4-d addressing allows para-FidoNet
    direct point-to-point communications, as well as Boss Node
    pass-through in Leaf-to-Leaf communications.

    The type-5 header addresses the needed bulk of seen-by and path
    information, so important in shared ECHO and Group mail. The two
    headers are as compatible as possible, both with the type-2 FTS-
    0001 header, as well as with the FTS-0001 .MSG format, and with
    nod to the FSC-0007 type-3 proposal.

    The kludges have grown to fill in what would not fit in the
    header and may amount in quite a few cases, to more kludge than
    message.  Yet, hobbiest dollars have a far greater affinity to
    improvements and new items than the moving of information which
    actually IS useless -- which in the final analysis does NOT
    contribute either to direct information, nor smooth flow.
    Many places now, a text word or entire line takes the place of a
    bit or two, or perhaps 8 bytes.

    Next week, I'll introduce the proposed flagset, and after that,
    the headers which it helps to identify.

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                             LATEST VERSIONS
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                        Latest Software Versions

                             MS-DOS Systems
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                          Bulletin Board Software
    Name        Version    Name        Version    Name       Version

    DMG            2.93    Phoenix         1.3    TAG           2.5g
    Fido            12s+   QuickBBS       2.66    TBBS           2.1
    GSBBS          3.02    RBBS          17.3B    TComm/TCommNet 3.4
    Lynx           1.30    RBBSmail      17.3B    Telegard       2.5
    Kitten         2.16    RemoteAccess  0.04a    TPBoard        6.1
    Maximus        1.02    SLBBS          1.77A   Wildcat!      2.55
    Opus           1.14+   Socrates       1.10    WWIV          4.12
    PCBoard        14.5                           XBBS          1.15

    Network                Node List              Other
    Mailers     Version    Utilities   Version    Utilities  Version

    BinkleyTerm    2.40    EditNL         4.00    ARC            7.0
    D'Bridge       1.30    MakeNL         2.31    ARCAsim       2.30
    Dutchie       2.90C    ParseList      1.30    ARCmail       2.07
    FrontDoor     1.99c    Prune          1.40    ConfMail      4.00
    PRENM          1.47    SysNL          3.14    Crossnet      v1.5
    SEAdog        4.51b    XlatList       2.90    DOMAIN        1.42
    TIMS      1.0(Mod8)    XlaxDiff       2.35    EMM           2.02
                           XlaxNode       2.35    4Dog/4DMatrix 1.18
                                                  Gmail         2.05
                                                  GROUP         2.16
                                                  GUS           1.30
                                                  HeadEdit      1.15
                                                  InterPCB      1.31
                                                  LHARC         1.13
                                                  MSG            4.1
                                                  MSGED         2.06
                                                  MSGTOSS        1.3
                                                  Oliver        1.0a
                                                  PK[UN]ZIP     1.10
                                                  QM             1.0
                                                  QSORT         4.03
                                                  Sirius        1.0x
                                                  SLMAIL        1.36
                                                  StarLink      1.01
                                                  TagMail       2.41
                                                  TCOMMail       2.2
                                                  Telemail      1.27
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                                                  TMail         1.15
                                                  TPBNetEd       3.2
                                                  TosScan       1.00
                                                  UFGATE        1.03
                                                  XRS           4.00*
                                                  XST            2.2
                                                  ZmailH        1.14


                               OS/2 Systems
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    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    Maximus-CBCS       1.02   BinkleyTerm  2.40   Parselst      1.32
                                                  ConfMail      4.00
                                                  EchoStat       6.0
                                                  oMMM          1.52
                                                  Omail          3.1
                                                  MsgEd         2.06
                                                  MsgLink       1.0C
                                                  MsgNum        4.14
                                                  LH2           0.50
                                                  PK[UN]ZIP     1.02
                                                  ARC2          6.00
                                                  PolyXARC      2.00
                                                  Qsort          2.1
                                                  Raid           1.0
                                                  Remapper       1.2
                                                  Tick           2.0
                                                  VPurge        2.07


                                Xenix/Unix
                                ----------

    BBS Software                  Mailers         Other Utilities
    Name             Version  Name      Version   Name       Version

                              BinkleyTerm 2.30b   Unzip         3.10
                                                  ARC           5.21
                                                  ParseLst     1.30b
                                                  ConfMail     3.31b
                                                  Ommm         1.40b
                                                  Msged        1.99b
                                                  Zoo           2.01
                                                  C-Lharc       1.00
                                                  Omail        1.00b

    FidoNews 8-07                Page 11                  18 Feb 1991


                                Apple CP/M
                                ----------

    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    Daisy               v2j   Daisy Mailer 0.38   Nodecomp      0.37
                                                  MsgUtil        2.5
                                                  PackUser        v4
                                                  Filer         v2-D
                                                  UNARC.COM     1.20


                                Macintosh
                                ---------

    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    Red Ryder Host     2.1    Tabby         2.2   MacArc         0.04
    Mansion            7.15   Copernicus    1.0   ArcMac          1.3
    WWIV (Mac)         3.0                        LHArc          0.33
    Hermes             1.01                       StuffIt Classic 1.6
    FBBS               0.91                       Compactor      1.21
                                                  TImport        1.92
                                                  TExport        1.92
                                                  Timestamp       1.6
                                                  Tset            1.3
                                                  Import          3.2
                                                  Export         3.21
                                                  Sundial         3.2
                                                  PreStamp        3.2
                                                  OriginatorII    2.0
                                                  AreaFix         1.6
                                                  Mantissa       3.21
                                                  Zenith          1.5
                                                  Eventmeister    1.0
                                                  TSort           1.0
                                                  Mehitable       2.0
                                                  UNZIP         1.02c

                                  Amiga
                                  -----

    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    Paragon           2.082+  BinkleyTerm  1.00   AmigArc       0.23
    TransAmiga         1.05   TrapDoor     1.50   AReceipt       1.5
    FidoNews 8-07                Page 12                  18 Feb 1991


                              WelMat       0.42   booz          1.01
                                                  ConfMail      1.10
                                                  ChameleonEdit 0.10
                                                  ElectricHerald1.66
                                                  Lharc         1.30
                                                  MessageFilter 1.52
                                                  oMMM         1.49b
                                                  ParseLst      1.30
                                                  PkAX          1.00
                                                  PK[UN]ZIP     1.01
                                                  PolyxAmy      2.02
                                                  RMB           1.30
                                                  RoboWriter    1.02
                                                  Skyparse      2.30
                                                  TrapList      1.12
                                                  Yuck!         1.61
                                                  Zippy (Unzip) 1.25
                                                  Zoo           2.01



                                Atari ST
                                --------

    Bulletin Board         Network                Node List
    Software    Version    Mailer      Version    Utilities  Version

    FIDOdoor/ST    2.11*   BinkleyTerm  2.40jt    ParseList     1.30
    QuickBBS/ST    1.02    The BOX        1.20    Xlist         1.12
    Pandora BBS   2.41c                           EchoFix       1.20
    GS Point       0.61
    LED ST         1.00
    MSGED         1.96S

    Archiver               Msg Format             Other
    Utilities   Version    Converters  Version    Utilities  Version

    LHARC          0.60    TB2BINK        1.00    ConfMail      4.03*
    ARC            6.02    BINK2TB        1.00    ComScan       1.02
    PKUNZIP        1.10    FiFo           2.12*   Import        1.14
                                                  OMMM          1.40
                                                  Pack          1.00
                                                  FastPack      1.20
                                                  FDsysgen      2.16*
                                                  FDrenum       2.10
                                                  Trenum        0.10



                               Archimedes
                               ----------

    FidoNews 8-07                Page 13                  18 Feb 1991


    BBS Software           Mailers                Utilities
    Name        Version    Name        Version    Name       Version

    ARCbbs         1.44    BinkleyTerm    2.03    Unzip        2.1TH
                                                  ARC           1.03
                                                  !Spark       2.00d

                                                  ParseLst      1.30
                                                  BatchPacker   1.00


    + Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software)
    * Recently changed

    Utility authors:  Please help  keep  this  list  up  to  date  by
    reporting  new  versions  to 1:1/1.  It is not our intent to list
    all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.

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    FidoNews 8-07                Page 14                  18 Feb 1991


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                                 NOTICES
    =================================================================


    Fredric Rice
    1:102/901

            Well, prior to my article of FidoNews 806 concerning my
    perceived degradation of the quality of FidoNews, I had several
    conversations with JonesNose at 321/202 and he suggested that I
    shouldn't air my  concerns in such  a negative manor; that they
    would  be counter productive and would serve to foment hate; in
    deed that I should take my homophobic  attitude with me to hell
    and rot for awhile.

    He told me that my attitude was hateful. He convinced me he was
    right.  He did, in fact, let me know in no uncertain terms what
    kind of person he though I was. He was right again.

    I had asked that the submission be removed because he convinced
    me that I should be more tolerant of gays and not promote hate.
    It wasn't  removed,  it got printed,  I get  to live with it --
    that's not a big problem for me to live with, I'll just send an
    apology  to  everyone  who  sends  me a return on  my hate mail
    because they'll be right too.

    Listen up, FidoNet: I am sorry. I'll never happen again. Vince,
    your  comments  were  eye-opening too.  Rest  assured  I'll not
    clutter your news letter with hate again.

    If anyone wants a personal  voice apology, call me  from 6 p.m.
    to 11 p.m. and I'll apologize.

    1-818-963-8640


    Fredric Rice.


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                         The Interrupt Stack


    30 Mar 1991
       Jim Grubs (W8GRT) was issued his first ham radio license forty
       years ago today. His first station was made from an ARC-5
       "Command Set" removed from a B-17 bomber.

    12 May 1991
    FidoNews 8-07                Page 15                  18 Feb 1991


       Fourth anniversary of FidoNet operations in Latin America and
       second anniversary of the creation of Zone-4.

    15 Aug 1991
       5th annual Z1 Fido Convention - FidoCon '91 "A New Beginning"
       Sheraton Denver West August 15 through August 18 1991.

     8 Sep 1991
       25th anniversary of first airing of Star Trek on NBC!

     7 Oct 1991
       Area code  415  fragments.   Alameda and Contra Costa Counties
       will  begin  using  area  code  510.   This includes  Oakland,
       Concord, Berkeley  and  Hayward.    San  Francisco, San Mateo,
       Marin, parts of  Santa Clara County, and the San Francisco Bay
       Islands will retain area code 415.

     1 Feb 1992
       Area  code 213 fragments.    Western,  coastal,  southern  and
       eastern portions of Los Angeles  County  will begin using area
       code 310.  This includes Los  Angeles  International  Airport,
       West  Los  Angeles,  San  Pedro and Whittier.    Downtown  Los
       Angeles  and  surrounding  communities  (such as Hollywood and
       Montebello) will retain area code 213.

     1 Dec 1993
       Tenth anniversary of Fido Version 1 release.

     5 Jun 1997
       David Dodell's 40th Birthday


    If you have something which you would like to see on this
    calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.

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