Volume 7, Number 39                             24 September 1990
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    Editor in Chief:                                  Vince Perriello
    Editors Emeritii:                    Thom Henderson,  Dale Lovell
    Chief Procrastinator Emeritus:                       Tom Jennings

    Copyright 1990, Fido Software.  All rights reserved.  Duplication
    and/or distribution permitted  for  noncommercial  purposes only.
    For use in other circumstances, please  contact  Fido Software.

    FidoNews  is  published  weekly  by  the  System Operators of the
    FidoNet  (r)  International  BBS Network.  It is a compilation of
    individual articles  contributed  by  their authors or authorized
    agents of the  authors.    The  contribution  of articles to this
    compilation does not diminish the rights of the authors.

    You  are  encouraged   to  submit  articles  for  publication  in
    FidoNews.  Article submission standards are contained in the file
    ARTSPEC.DOC, available from node 1:1/1.    1:1/1  is a Continuous
    Mail system, available for network mail 24 hours a day.

    Fido and  FidoNet  are  registered  trademarks of Tom Jennings of
    Fido Software, Box  77731,  San  Francisco  CA 94107, USA and are
    used with permission.

    Opinions expressed in  FidoNews articles are those of the authors
    and are not necessarily  those of the Editor or of Fido Software.
    Most articles are unsolicited.   Our  policy  is to publish every
    responsible submission received.


                       Table of Contents
    1. ARTICLES  .................................................  1
       Call New York!  ...........................................  1
       Garbage in, but no garbage out  ...........................  2
       LHArc and FidoNet  ........................................  5
       A LISTING OF KNOWN OTHERNETS  .............................  7
       ANNOUNCING THE "OTHERNET" NODELIST  ....................... 10
       OTHERNETS: An Echo for Information on OtherNets  .......... 12
       PDN Distribution  ......................................... 13
       Popcorn packing?  ......................................... 16
    2. LATEST VERSIONS  .......................................... 18
       Latest Software Versions  ................................. 18
    And more!
    FidoNews 7-39                Page 1                   24 Sep 1990


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                                ARTICLES
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    Ronnie Toth
    FidoNet 1:135/71
    September 22, 1990
                           CALLNY......The Echo

    Have you been to NY lately?  Would you like to go?  Are you from
    NY originally?  Would you just like to chat with folks in the
    Big Apple?

    There are thousands of transplanted New Yorkers.  People, like
    me, who grew up in the Big Apple and moved away.  We left alot
    of friends behind.  And you folks in NY, how about visiting with
    us transplanted NYers?  We're sure you've friends you grew up
    with but have since lost touch with when they moved away.
    Perhaps we can help you find each other again.  You know it's
    very true what they say, "You can take the person out of NY but
    you can't take NY out of the person!"  We who left will always
    have a little of NY in us.

    Seems there is a whole bunch of us ex-Nyers scattered all over
    the place and we want to have a nice place to get together.  And
    there are some folks who just want to see what NY is like, the
    armchair way.

    Here's the way to do it!  CALLNY is the echo for you!  We have
    been chatting away for about a month down in the Southeast and
    it's time to share with everyone else.

    Join us and CALLNY.

    Though working on getting this echo on the backbone, we need to
    know who you are who want to take this echo and we're PC
    Pursuitable!

    Send session and areafix passwords to:

    Ronnie Toth, Moderator
    2400 baud...1:135/71 (PC Pursuit) or

    Michele Hamilton
    HST...1:369/21 (direct)

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    FidoNews 7-39                Page 2                   24 Sep 1990


    Mike Robeson
    Fidonet node 1:350/21.1

    GARBAGE IN, BUT NO GARBAGE OUT

    Humans have always had garbage.  For most of the past two-and-a-
    half million years, they left it where it fell and moved on.
    Garbage first became a crisis as humans became sedentary - when,
    rather than move themselves, they decided to move their trash.
    That pivotal decision gave rise to a need for a class of people
    that could deal with the mountains of rubbish.  This solution
    worked so well it is still in place today.  In Cairo, for
    example, generations of rural immigrant families eke out a living
    in the municipal dumps, salvaging everything useable.

    Modern landfills are quite different.

    Visualize a landfill.  Do you imagine it as a monstrous mountain
    of smoldering food, yard waste, and building materials, mixed
    with piles of polystyrene foam packaging and plastic junk?  How
    much of a landfill is made up of plastic packaging?  Ask the
    person on the street and the answers may be 20, 30, even 50
    percent.

    Those figures could make a solid waste educator feel smug and
    self-righteous.  If only it were true!

    Dr. William Rathje is a renowned anthropologist/archaeologist.
    For decades he has been excavating landfills to see what,
    exactly, is in them.  His conclusions are quite different than
    what we may imagine.

    Rathje's "Garbage Project" spent two years exhuming 16,000 pounds
    of trash, weighing all items and sorting them into 27 basic
    categories and then into 162 subcategories.

    * In those eight tons of garbage he found only 16 pounds of fast-

    food packaging, about a tenth of 1 percent.

    * The entire category of plastic was less than 5 percent of the
    landfill's contents by weight and 12 percent by volume.

    He determined the real culprit in landfills is paper.  Paper
    accounts for 40 percent to 50 percent of everything we throw
    away.  He wrote in The Atlantic Monthly, December, 1989:
    "If fast-food packaging is the Emperor's New Clothes of garbage,
    then a number of categories of paper goods collectively deserve
    the role of Invisible Man.  Dig a trench through a landfill and
    you will see layers of phone books, like geological strata or
    layers of cake.  Just as conspicuous as telephone books are new-

    FidoNews 7-39                Page 3                   24 Sep 1990


    papers, which make up 10 percent to 18 percent of the contents
    of a typical municipal landfill by volume.  Even after several
    years of burial they are usually well preserved.  During a recent
    dig in Phoenix, I found newspapers dating back to 1952 that
    looked so fresh you might read one over breakfast.  Deep within
    landfills, copies of that New York Times editorial about fast-
    food containers will remain legible until well into the next
    century."

    Another shocking discovery:  The concept of biodegradability in a
    landfill environment is myth.

    The reality is that the garbage is entombed and mummified.  This
    destroys the credibility of degradable plastics.  Rathje's team
    has found perfectly preserved ears of corn dating from 1971.  If
    the landfill microbes don't eat these, they won't be drawn to the
    minuscule amount of edible corn starch in a "biodegradable"
    plastic bag or diaper.

    What does an eco-warrior say when confronted with such proof?  I
    say RECYCLING is still the answer.

    That New York Times has no business in the landfill!  Newspaper
    recycling is in place in virtually every city and town.  In some
    areas it is currently worthless to the recycler, but that will
    change as the demand catches up with the supply.  In Washington,
    legislation is in place to revise freight rates, making it
    cheaper to transport recycled paper than to transport wood for
    pulp.

    U.S. West of Washington State has responded to public pressure
    and is exploring new markets for recycled phone books, such as
    animal bedding and insulation.  The books could be made recyclable
    by using a better grade of paper and having only a strip of yellow
    mark the Yellow Pages.  The phone company can help municipalities
    set up recycling programs for these predictable yearly waves of
    waste.

    WHAT CAN YOU DO?

    * Become part of the pressure and call your telephone company
    and/or producer of your telephone book.

    * Purchase recycled paper products at home and at work.  These
    are typically more expensive, but that will only change when
    more people demand recycled products.  Available materials range
    from computer paper to toilet tissue.

    * Talk or write to the government.  Government agencies use far
    more paper than any other institutions.  They have a
    responsibility to use recycled paper.

    FidoNews 7-39                Page 4                   24 Sep 1990


    * How about your children's schools?  In a pilot program at a
    local Junior High, the students have recycled more than a ton of
    high-grade paper in six months.  The loop will be complete when
    the paper we recycle is recycled paper.  Volunteer to help.

    * Continue to reject plastic that is not in the form of a
    durable, reusable item.  Know that any "biodegradable" plastic
    is a scam.

    * Since landfill garbage just sits around, make sure only things
    that belong in landfills go there.  Support the recycling
    industry by purchasing recycled products.  Choose containers with
    proven value in the world marketplace; cardboard, glass and
    metal.

    When we are truly committed to these actions, we can begin to see
    ourselves as masters of our garbage not slaves of a "Throw away
    society".
      Extracted from article by Molly Pearson, Port Townsend,
    Washington.  Transcribed by Mike Robeson.
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    FidoNews 7-39                Page 5                   24 Sep 1990


                On Lharc and FidoNet - my three bits' worth

      Luke Kolin, 1:250/1@fidonet

      I must admit that I got quite a surprise when I started re-
    ceiving my FidoNews in LHARC format. Now I've always been one
    to advocate the progression of standards, but I'm afraid that
    this entire lharc FIASCO has shown to FidoNet the pitfalls
    of political games.
      Vince Periello wears two hats, that of programmer, and that
    of network official, namely, Editor of FidoNews. As a pro-
    grammer, he has the choice to use whichever compression util-
    ity he chooses for his software. Out of his own beliefs, he
    chooses LHARC. I choose PKZIP, but again, this is my personal
    decision.

      However, as Editor of FidoNews, he is not allowed to make
    personal decisions. Any technical changes that he wishes to
    implement MUST be made after lengthy consultations with others.
    Vince, you're no longer acting according to your own beliefs.
    It's a much higher calling. More is expected of you. It is
    up to you to put the network's best interests to heart.
      And using LHARC is not in the network's best interest. Many
    people have risen up to complain about the way this switch was
    done. Vince, listen to them! This discussion isn't closed, not
    by a long shot. They don't appreciate the fact that LHARC is
    "portable". If they're not programmers, portability means
    about as much to them as the cost of green cheese.
      They don't appreciate the fact that no consultations were
    made. Three people running DOS systems? Give me a break! Does
    that constitute an acceptable amount of opinions on the
    matter? No one could possibly say yes to that.

      What rationale did you use, Vince? That ARC 7.0 is now
    commercial software? As far as I can tell, ARC 5.12 is public
    domain. People I know have been passing it around for years,
    without mention of cost. So why drop a perfectly good standard,
    which has already been ported over successfully to almost
    every environment in sight? I'll say it now:

        " Using the present commerical status of ARC 7.0
          appears to me to be the least logical rationale
          possible to eliminate the use of ARC 5.12. "

      We've already got a standard! Why change it? It works! It
    works real good. It's been ported. So what if further versions
    are commercial?

      Vince, you've allowed personal sentiment to come ahead of
    your responsibilities. Being the Editor of FidoNews does allow
    a good amount of personal sentiment and ideology to come into
    the job. It's essential to being a good editor. But you've
    got to make sure that the network comes out ahead in the end.
    FidoNews 7-39                Page 6                   24 Sep 1990


      It is clear to me that you have failed to do so. If you wish
    to stand permanently beside your views, I would reccomend that
    you resign. But I hope that rather than that, you will listen
    to reason (and a host of other sysops) and re-institute ARC
    5.12 as the standard compression method for FidoNews.

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    FidoNews 7-39                Page 7                   24 Sep 1990


    Ralph Merritt
    1:269/111

    Here is some info on various networks (that occupy zones) which
    I've compiled from multiple sources.  Hope you find it useful/
    informative!  The working copy of this textfile can be file-
    requested as NETSALL.ART.

                              Zone (Zone/0)     Fidonet     FREQ from
    Network Name        Zone  Coordinator       Address     1:269/111
    ==================  ====  ================  ==========  =========
    FidoNet N. America    1   George Peace      1:13/13     NODELIST
    Fidonet Europe        2   Ron Dwight        2:515/1         "
    Fidonet Oceania       3   Bill Bolton       3:711/403       "
    Fidonet S. America    4   Pablo Kleinman    4:900/107       "
    Fidonet Africa        5   Henk Wolsink      5:494/2         "
    MacList               6   Tom Heffernan     1:107/554   MACLIST
    AlterNet              7   Karl Schinke      1:107/516   ANETLIST
    RbbsNet               8   Rod Bowman        1:10/8      RBBSLIST
    The NETWORK           8   Bob Hoffman       1:129/34    NETLIST
    Paranet               9   Michael Corbin    1:207/109   PARANET
    PhoenixNet            9   Glen Cranford                 PHNXLIST
    OPCN                 11   Jim Grubs         1:234/1     OPCNLIST
    KesherNet            18   Jason Frokin      1:108/185   KNETLIST
    SIGnet               24   Jamie Penner      1:153/169   SIGNODES
      "                  25   William Mastop    1:153/170      "
      "                  26   Tom Mcgivern      1:103/328      "
      "                  27   Fabiano Fabris    2:310/11.22    "
      "                  28   J. Homerighausen  3:362/308      "
      "                  29   Borlong Lin       3:722/5        "
      "                  34   Andrew Farmer     1:163/115      "
    USCATCOM             31
    EmergencyNet         31   Guy Hokanson      1:212/107   ENLIST
        "                32   Vacant                           "
        "                33   Vacant                           "
        "                34   Vacant                           "
        "                35   Vacant                           "
        "                36   Vacant                           "
        "                37   Vacant                           "
    IS-Net               40
    CandyNet             42   Dr Pepper                     CANDYNET
    EchoNet              50   Ed Lawyer         1:261/3000  ENETLIST
    GhotiNet (USA)       60   John Marlett      1:116/18
    GhotiNet (Australia) 61   Graeme Nichols    3:714/404
    ADULT_LINKS          69   Jim Deputy        1:103/158   69LIST
    APINET               69   Robert Eckert     1:269/304   APINET
    FinancialNet         72   D. Cadwallader    1:363/363
    HAMLINK              73   Jim Grubs         1:234/1
    LCRNET               77   Tom Sirianni      1:105/301
    SpectroNet           77   David Musick      1:363/61    SPECLIST
    BBSnet               86   Tom Hendricks     1:261/662
    TrekNet              87   Rob Lehrman       1:203/57    TREKLIST
    Alternet CDN         89   John Dunn           n/a       ANETLIST
    Eggnet_Asia          96   Bob Germer        1:266/21      n/a
    Eggnet_Europe        97   Bob Germer        1:266/21    EEGGLIST
    MIL_NET              98   Kerry Buckingham  1:123/22
    FidoNews 7-39                Page 8                   24 Sep 1990


    EggNet               99   Johnny Pulliam       n/a      EGGLIST
    DENVNET             200
    MetroNet            200   Jason Steck       1:104/424   METRONET

    =================================================================

    FREQ'able info on OtherNets from my system:

    69LIST      Adult_Links Nodelist
    ANETLIST    Current Alternet nodelist
    ANETDIFF    Current Alternet nodediff
    APINET      Current APINET nodelist
    CANDYNET    CandyNet nodelist
    ECHOLIST    Current ELIST (by Mike Fuchs)
    ECHOPOL     4/22/89 Fidonet Echopol1 document
    ECHOVNET    Current Vervan's Gaming Network newsletter
    EEGGLIST    Eggnet Europe Nodelist
    EGGLIST     Current EggNet nodelist
    EGGNEWS     Current EggNet newsletter
    EGGPOL      Current EggNet Policy
    EN_INFO     Info on Emergency Network
    ENETLIST    Current EchoNet nodelist
    ENETNEWS    Current EchoNet newsletter
    ENETPOL     Current EchoNet policy
    ENLIST      EmergencyNet nodelist
    EN_INFO     Info on Emergency Network
    FIDONEWS    Current Fidonet newsletter
    KNETLIST    KesherNet Nodelist
    LT_INFO     Info on The Learning Tree Network
    MAC_INFO    Info on MACLIST
    MACLIST     Current MACLIST nodelist
    METRONET    MetroNet nodelist
    NETLIST     The Network nodelist
    NODELIST    Current Fidonet nodelist
    NODEDIFF    Current Fidonet nodediff
    OPCNLIST    OPCN nodelist
    OTHERNET    Nodelist of many OtherNets combined
    PARANET     Paranet nodelist
    PHNXLIST    PhoenixNet nodelist
    POLICY4     Current Fidonet Policy
    RBBSLIST    Current RBBS-NET nodelist
    RBBSECHO    Current RBBS-NET echos listing
    SIGECHO     Current SIGnet echos listing
    SIGNEWS     Current SIGnet newsletter
    SIGNODES    Current SIGnet nodelist
    SIGPOL      Curernt SIGnet policy
    SPECLIST    SpectroNet nodelist
    TREKLIST    TrekNet nodelist
    TREKNEWS    TrekNet newsletter

    Note: If it doesn't say "Current" there's no guarantee it is!

    FidoNews 7-39                Page 9                   24 Sep 1990


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    If you have some additional info, or corrections, I can be
    reached at the following addresses:

             1:269/111    Fidonet
             6:6001/5     MACLIST
             7:520/953    AlterNet
             8:950/14     RBBS-NET
             26:1201/103  SigNet
             50:5013/111  EchoNet
             69:6969/18   APINET
             99:9220/202  EggNet


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    FidoNews 7-39                Page 10                  24 Sep 1990


    Ralph Merritt
    1:269/111

    I am pleased to say that as of 9/21/90, the OTHERNET nodelist is
    available (OTHERNET.264).

    The OtherNet NodeList is a nodelist of selected networks other
    than Fidonet (Zones 1-5).  It is a compilation of individual
    nodelist segments contributed by the drafters and compilers of
    those segments.  Contribution of these segments to this
    compilation does not diminish the rights of the contributors.

    This nodelist has been compiled by myself for my personal use,
    due to Parselist's limitation that 6 nodelists be compiled.
    Due to public interest, this nodelist is being made available
    via the FREQ magic name of OTHERNET.

    YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RESULTS OF USING THIS NODELIST.  BY
    COMPILING THIS NODELIST YOU AGREE THAT I CANNOT BE HELD LIABLE
    FOR IT'S USE BY YOURSELF.  I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGES
    OR COSTS THAT RESULT FROM THE USE OF THIS NODELIST, INCLUDING THE
    DIALING OF A WRONG NUMBER DUE TO OVERLAPPING ZONE/NET/NODE
    ADDRESS USAGE!!!

    The contents of the OtherNet.264 nodelist are as follows:

    Nodelist Name  Network                                 Zone(s)
    -------------  --------------------------------------  ---------
    ANETLIST.264   AlterNet                                  7
    RBBSLIST.259   RBBS-NET                                  8
    NETLIST.236    The Network                               8
    PARANET.187    ParaNet                                   9
    PHNX.237       PhoenixNet                                9
    OPCNLIST.243   Official Public Computer Network         11
    KNETLIST.091   KesherNet                                18
    ENLIST.236     EmergencyNet                             31-37
    CANDYNET.250   CandyNet                                 42
    PHUCKLST.257   Another Phuckyn International Network    69
    69LIST.236     Adult_Links                              69
    LCRNET.243     Least Cost Recovery Network              77
    SPECLIST.007   SpectroNet                               77
    TREKLIST.229   TrekNet                                  87
    EEGGLIST.250   EggNet Europe                            97
    EGGLIST.264    EggNet                                   99
    METRO.250      MetroNet                                200

    I don't compile the MACLIST (Zone 6), SIGNODES (Zones 24-29,34),
    and ENETLIST (Zone 50) nodelists into the OTHERNET nodelist; I
    compile those three along with the NODELIST (Zones 1-5), the
    OTHERNET nodelist (this file) and a PRIVATE nodelist, to max
    out at the six nodelists Parselst allows.

    FidoNews 7-39                Page 11                  24 Sep 1990


    I update the OtherNet nodelist as often as I can, please don't
    flamemail me if it's outta date.  Remember, this is something I
    do for my own personal use, I'm simply sharing it with others.

    I wish to thank everyone who has contributed to this effort by
    providing information and nodelists for OtherNets.

    If you have some additional info, or corrections, I can be
    reached at the following addresses:

              Ralph Merritt
              Compiler of the OtherNet nodelist

             1:269/111    Fidonet
             6:6001/5     MACLIST
             7:520/953    AlterNet
             8:950/14     RBBS-NET
             26:1201/103  SigNet
             50:5013/111  EchoNet
             69:6969/18   APINET
             99:9220/202  EggNet


    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    FidoNews 7-39                Page 12                  24 Sep 1990


    Ralph Merritt
    1:269/111

    Have you ever wondered about "OtherNets"?  You know, all those
    other networks out there besides Fidonet (yeah, yeah, there are
    OtherNets!).  What are their names?  Who runs them?  What is
    their purpose?  What can they offer?

    Many of us have heard of some "well-known" OtherNets, like
    Alternet, RBBS-NET, SigNet and EggNet.  But did you know that
    there is MACLIST, for Macintosh sysops?  How about EchoNet, a
    network dedicated to quality echos?  Or The Network?  Have you
    heard of SpectroNet?  Paranet?  Candynet?  LCRNet?  Emergency
    Net?  There's more ....

    It's questions like this in my mind that led me to begin doing
    some research into the OtherNets.  Two other articles in this
    issue of Fidonews ("Announcing the OtherNet Nodelist" and "A
    Listing of Known OtherNets") represent the results of that
    research.

    Apparently, judging from the number of file-requests in my
    fd.log, there is a lot of interest out there in OtherNets.
    That's why I've decided to establish a new echo, area tag name
    OTHERNETS, for the disemmination and sharing of information
    on OtherNets.

    OTHERNETS will originate from my Fidonet system, 1:269/111.  It
    is my hope that there will be sufficient interest to place it on
    the distribution systems for Fidonet, RBBS-NET, SigNet and any
    of the OtherNet "backbone" distribution systems.

    For more information on OtherNets, or to obtain a link to the
    OTHERNETS echo, please contact me at one of the addresses below:

             1:269/111    Fidonet
             6:6001/5     MACLIST
             7:520/953    AlterNet
             8:950/14     RBBS-NET
             26:1201/103  SigNet
             50:5013/111  EchoNet
             69:6969/18   APINET
             99:9220/202  EggNet


    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    FidoNews 7-39                Page 13                  24 Sep 1990


    Erik Vanriper
    Fido 1:260/230

        Distribution Sites for the Programmers Distribution Network
        -----------------------------------------------------------

           A couple of months ago, I started a Distribution Network
    for Programmers.  I had no idea that this would take off into
    what it has today.  I get requests three or four times a week
    asking to locate a link for a node into the PDN.  This has become
    a task in itself!  I figured that the best way for me to reach
    the maximum amount of people would be to publish another article
    here and list a FEW of the current PDN sites.  There are more,
    but I thought "They will get the point!".  If you are interested
    in picking up the PDN for your Net, or for yourself, please
    contact one of the below listed nodes.  They will be more then
    happy to help out.  Probably, the best way for you to get a good
    link, (If you are in Zone 1) is to contact one of the Regional
    Coordinators listed first.  For other zones, choose a node listed
    for your Zone, and they should be able to direct you to the
    CHEAPEST link.  I have tried to set things up so that it is
    inexpensive as possible to move these files around.  If you are
    an in-state, long distance node to one of these coordinators,
    then go to another region.  Keeps your costs down!  If you have
    any general questions about the PDN, feel free to send me a
    NetMail message and ask away!  I will be more then happy in
    aiding you to set up.  I am truely sorry if the below information
    is incorrect, and I have mis-guided you, but these things change
    so fast (Baud rates, etc) that I cannot keep up with all of them!
    If you are carrying the PDN, and you are not listed below, I am
    sorry.  I listed only those that are 9600 baud and above.  This
    does not mean that you cannot carry the PDN, I am sure that
    people will be more then happy to support you at 1200/2400 baud.

    Happy Hacking!


    Name................|Zone(s):Net/Node(s)....|Max Baud Rate...
    =============================================================

                      [Regional Coordinators, Zone 1]
          (The number in parens represents the Region they cover)

    David Wurz     (10)  1:102/531
                         99:910/0               9600 HST
    Ed Almasy      (11)  1:121/99               9600 HST
    Andre Morin    (12)  1:240/507              14.4 HST
    Erik Vanriper  (13)  1:260/230              14.4 HST V42
    Jim Harre      (14)  1:100/555              9600 HST V32
    Dave Harris    (15)  1:302/5                9600 HST V32
    Chris Browne   (16)  1:141/735              9600 HST
    Frank Cox      (17)  1:140/53               9600 HST V32
    Ed Cavender    (18)  1:116/36               9600 HST V32
    Michael Skurka (19)  1:397/2                14.4 HST V32

    FidoNews 7-39                Page 14                  24 Sep 1990


                     [Net Distribution Points, Zone 1]

    Tom Hendricks        1:261/662              9600 HST
    Durk Jones           1:160/40               9600 HST
    Bob Hamilton         1:140/28               14.4 HST V32
    Taine Gilliam        1:372/42               14.4 HST/DS
    John Souvestre       1:396/1                14.4 HST V32
    Floyd Drennon        1:375/12               14.4 HST
    Richard Lee          1:151/223
                         26:1919/2              9600 HST/DS
    James Dick           1:163/118              9600 HST
    Glenn Caleval        1:140/72               14.4 HST
    Bob Dufur            1:132/159              9600 HST
    Bill Thomas          1:132/225              14.4 HST
    Don Dawson           1:141/730              9600 HST/DS
    Paul Shoop           1:132/201              9600 HST
    George Brann         1:387/822              9600
    Paul Gartner         1:167/116              9600 HST
    Jerry Lamphere       1:260/325              9600 HST V32
    Greg Shaffer         1:370/500
                         1:370/510
                         99:912/18
                         69:22/18
                         80:2599/42             14.4 HST V42
    Rick Aldrich         1:347/7                14.4 HST
    Russ Crook           1:348/205              14.4 HST
    Michael Cody         1:2202/3               9600/450 HST
    Patrick Curry        1:3621/425             9600 HST/DS
    Larry James          1:105/72
                         8:917/1                9600 V32
    Chris Davis          1:348/1                14.4 HST
    David Campbell       1:320/109              9600 HST/DS


                     [Net Distribution Points, Zone 2]

    Eric Lotgerink       2:283/1                14.4 HST V42
    Ralf Pradella        2:249/6                14.4 HST V42
    Norbert Versluis     2:283/106              14.4 HST V42
    Didi Pabel           2:249/4                14.4 HST V32/V42
    Roland Mausolf       2:243/43               9600 HST/DS V32/V42
    Kai Heimala          2:515/6
                         2:2/322                9600 V32
    Guenter Reichelt     2:245/3                14.4 HST V32/V42
    Kai Kunze            2:247/205              14.4 HST V32/V42
    Achim Breuer         2:247/801              14.4 HST V32/V42
    Thomas Anyfantis     2:507/645              14.4 HST V32/V42
    Thomas Nachtigal     2:509/10               14.4 HST V42

                     [Net Distribution Points, Zone 3]

    FidoNews 7-39                Page 15                  24 Sep 1990


    Joaquim Homrighausen 3:632/308@fidonet
                         28:28/0@signet         9600 HST/DS
    Dave Hatch           3:711/808              9600

    Name................|Zone(s):Net/Node(s)....|Max Baud Rate...



    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    FidoNews 7-39                Page 16                  24 Sep 1990


    Mike Robeson
    Fidonet 1:350/21.1

    Popcorn packing?
    The popcorn padding: an ecological packaging can replace
    plastic.

    Alexander Fruit & Trading Co of Geyserville Calif has come
    up with an environmentaly correct packaging idea -
    substituting popped popcorn for plastic foam.

    Steve Sommer, president of the 5-year-old gourmet wine and
    food company 75 miles north of San Francisco, began to pack
    everything from ginger honey sauce to cabernet sauvignon in
    popcorn after his five kids lobbied for more ecologically
    sound packaging material.

    Unlike plastic foam, popcorn "is naturally biodegradable, so
    you may feed it to birds or use it as mulch in your garden,"
    Sommer said.  He does not advise that customers eat the
    packaging.

    "We want to avoid any liability problems," he said. "Besides
    its usually stale by the time it arrives in the mail."

    Sommer hopes his sales of popcorn for packaging purposes may
    soon rival his $500,000-a-year food and wine business.

    Prospective customers are excited by the idea of snubbing
    plastic foam, but they want to make sure popcorn contains
    all the right cushioning properties.

    Janet Churchill, in charge of packaging for Montessori
    Services in nearby Santa Rosa, said she wonders how much the
    popcorn breaks down in transit.  "We've just started using
    it and we haven't had any complaints from customers yet."
    she said.

    Joan Graham, who with her husband Gary, owns a Sonoma crafts
    gallery called Good Day Sunshine, said she started looking
    for a plastic foam substitute a couple of years ago when
    customers noted that using the ecologically unsound plastic
    kernels reflected badly on her store.

    She is now awaiting her shipment of popcorn from Sommer.

    "I think using this will make me feel a whole lot less
    guilty about how I send my goods," she said.

    John Clark, a buyer in charge of packaging materials for
    Santa Rosa Paper, which currently distributes plastic foam
    packaging, said his company also is interested in switching
    to popcorn.

    FidoNews 7-39                Page 17                  24 Sep 1990


    However, he is awaiting a ruling from United Parcel Service
    for approval of popcorn's use in shipping all goods.

    "I know Sommer's company has recieved UPS approval to ship
    his goods, and others may independently have received such
    approvals, but they haven't issued a general ruling to cover
    all shipped goods yet," he said.

    "If they do, popcorn may become the packaging material of
    choice," he added, putting a major dent in the multimillion
    dollar plastic foam packaging market.

    Transcribed from NY Times newsservice, by Mike Robeson.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    FidoNews 7-39                Page 18                  24 Sep 1990


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                                                  SLMAIL        1.35
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                                                  TagMail       2.20
                                                  TCOMMail       2.2
                                                  Telemail      1.27*
                                                  TMail         1.15
                                                  TPBNetEd       3.2
                                                  TosScan       1.00
                                                  UFGATE        1.03
                                                  XRS           3.40
                                                  ZmailQ        1.12*

    FidoNews 7-39                Page 19                  24 Sep 1990


                                Apple CP/M
                                ----------

    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    Daisy               v2j   Daisy Mailer 0.38   Nodecomp      0.37
                                                  MsgUtil        2.5
                                                  PackUser        v4
                                                  Filer         v2-D
                                                  UNARC.COM     1.20


                                Macintosh
                                ---------

    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    Red Ryder Host  v2.1b10   Tabby         2.2   MacArc        0.04
    Mansion            7.15   Copernicus   1.0d*  ArcMac         1.3
    WWIV (Mac)          3.0                       StuffIt      1.6b1*
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    Hermes             0.88*                      TExport       1.32
                                                  Timestamp      1.6
                                                  Tset           1.3
                                                  Import         3.2
                                                  Export        3.21
                                                  Sundial        3.2
                                                  PreStamp       3.2
                                                  OriginatorII   2.0
                                                  AreaFix        1.6
                                                  Mantissa       3.21
                                                  Zenith         1.5
                                                  UNZIP        1.02b

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                              TrapDoor     1.50*  AReceipt       1.5*
                              WelMat       0.35   booz          1.01
                                                  ConfMail      1.10
                                                  ChameleonEdit 0.10
                                                  ElectricHerald1.66*
    FidoNews 7-39                Page 20                  24 Sep 1990


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                                                  Yuck!         1.61*
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                                Atari ST
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                                                  SRENUM         6.2
                                                  Trenum        0.10
                                                  OMMM          1.40


                               Archimedes
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    BBS Software           Mailers                Utilities
    Name        Version    Name        Version    Name       Version

    ARCbbs         1.44*   BinkleyTerm    2.03*   Unzip        2.1TH
                                                  ARC           1.03
                                                  !Spark       2.00d*

                                                  ParseLst      1.30
                                                  BatchPacker   1.00*


    + Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software)
    * Recently changed

    Utility authors:  Please help  keep  this  list  up  to  date  by
    reporting  new  versions  to 1:1/1.  It is not our intent to list
    all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.

    FidoNews 7-39                Page 21                  24 Sep 1990


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                                 NOTICES
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                         The Interrupt Stack


     5 Oct 1990
       21st Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus"

     6 Nov 1990
       First anniversary of Van Diepen Automatiseert, 2:500/28

    14 Nov 1990
       Marco Maccaferri's 21rd Birthday. Send greetings to him at
       2:332/16.0

     1 Jan 1991
       Implementation of 7% Goods and Services Tax in Canada. Contact
       Joe Lindstrom at 1:134/55 for a more colorful description.

    16 Feb 1991
       Fifth anniversary of the introduction of Echomail, by Jeff Rush.

     7 Oct 1991
       Area code  415  fragments.   Alameda and Contra Costa Counties
       will  begin  using  area  code  510.   This includes  Oakland,
       Concord, Berkeley  and  Hayward.    San  Francisco, San Mateo,
       Marin, parts of  Santa Clara County, and the San Francisco Bay
       Islands will retain area code 415.

     1 Feb 1992
       Area  code 213 fragments.    Western,  coastal,  southern  and
       eastern portions of Los Angeles  County  will begin using area
       code 310.  This includes Los  Angeles  International  Airport,
       West  Los  Angeles,  San  Pedro and Whittier.    Downtown  Los
       Angeles  and  surrounding  communities  (such as Hollywood and
       Montebello) will retain area code 213.

     1 Dec 1993
       Tenth anniversary of Fido Version 1 release.

     5 Jun 1997
       David Dodell's 40th Birthday


    If you have something which you would like to see on this
    calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.

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