Volume 6, Number 39                             25 September 1989
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    Editor in Chief:                                  Vince Perriello
    Editors Emeritii:                                     Dale Lovell
                                                       Thom Henderson
    Chief Procrastinator Emeritus:                       Tom Jennings

    FidoNews  is  published  weekly  by  the  International   FidoNet
    Association  as  its  official newsletter.  You are encouraged to
    submit articles for publication in FidoNews.  Article  submission
    standards  are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC,  available from
    node 1:1/1.    1:1/1  is  a Continuous Mail system, available for
    network mail 24 hours a day.

    Copyright 1989 by  the  International  FidoNet  Association.  All
    rights  reserved.  Duplication  and/or distribution permitted for
    noncommercial purposes only.  For  use  in  other  circumstances,
    please contact IFNA at (314) 576-4067. IFNA may also be contacted
    at PO Box 41143, St. Louis, MO 63141.

    Fido  and FidoNet  are registered  trademarks of  Tom Jennings of
    Fido Software,  164 Shipley Avenue,  San Francisco, CA  94107 and
    are used with permission.

    We  don't necessarily agree with the contents  of  every  article
    published  here.  Most of these materials are  unsolicited.    No
    article submitted  by  a  FidoNet SysOp will be rejected if it is
    properly attributed and  legally  acceptable.    We  will publish
    every responsible submission received.


                       Table of Contents
    1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
       Article submission guidelines  ............................  1
    2. ARTICLES  .................................................  2
       Let's give Mike Ratledge a hand  ..........................  2
       NCLM Sweepstakes 2  .......................................  4
       Farewell to a Network and State  ..........................  5
       Minutes of IFNA Board of Directors meeting  ...............  6
    3. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR  .................................... 17
    4. LATEST VERSIONS  .......................................... 18
       Latest Software Versions  ................................. 18
    5. NOTICES  .................................................. 21
    And more!
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                                EDITORIAL
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    I'm trying  to  sort  of  stand  to  the side and let things just
    happen, but I'm afraid that I need to make a point of order.

    I'm  really  pleased  with  the  way submissions to FidoNews have
    picked up this year.  However, in the past several weeks,  I have
    gotten articles  which  are  really  huge  (over  60K in length),
    formatted so far  out  of  spec  that I couldn't do anything with
    them, and with all kinds of  really strange file names.  My guess
    is that not too many people have  ARTSPEC.DOC  or  aren't reading
    it, so I'll give you some guidelines here.  Please pay attention,
    I don't promise I'll fix ANY broken article!

    Please, give me flat ASCII text, no more  than 65 characters on a
    line, no tabs and no control characters.  Also,  try  to keep the
    length down.  4,000 characters is a pretty good length.    I will
    print  longer stuff, but once you get past 16,000 characters, you
    invite being overlooked, as  MAKENEWS  won't automatically insert
    the story and I don't  like  having  to override its limits.  Use
    any file name you want, but  use  .ART  as  the extension (if you
    send me archives I may not find  them for weeks!), and if you are
    a prolific writer, please use a different file name every time.

    This last thing recently caused Phil Buonomo some  embarrassment.
    His articles have tended to have the file name AAA.ART.  Recently
    I  went  looking  for  stuff I hadn't caught for publication  and
    found files  AAA.AR0  and  AAA.AR1  (BinkleyTerm  keeps  dupes by
    changing the extension).    I published them.  Because of the way
    things had progressed since  they  first  had arrived here, those
    articles no longer made complete sense.

    I'm sorry that this happened.    Please  help  me  keep this from
    happening again.  Stick to these  simple  guidelines  and it will
    make life easier for both me and you.

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                                ARTICLES
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    I captured  this  from the SYSOP echo this morning.  I think it's
    worth publishing, so here it is:


    [Copied from the SYSOP echo]

    From:   Amnon Nissan
    To:     All
    Subj:   Mike Ratledge

    Guys, how about taking a break a second, and and attending to
    this:

    This is a message I posted in R18 sysop echo, I thought it would
    be a good idea to post it here, so more can help.

    From:   Amnon Nissan
    To:     All
    Subj:   Mike Ratledge

    I just spoke with Mike guys, and the situation is real sad.
    Mike's both houses are completely gone, foundation and all.
    Their cloths, personal belongings, computers, EVERYTHING.  Those
    of us who were fortunate to visit him at his house on the water
    front, the forest is all gone, everything is completely flat he
    says.

    I would like to suggest that we start some kind of a fund to help
    him.  Do we have someone who can head this effort ?

    Mike is not sure if his insurance will pay for anything, he will
    know tommorow.

    This is real sad, but at least they are alive he said.  They
    spent the nite at his dad's house, 50 miles away.

    I forgot to get his address, or a phone number where he can be
    found (got sort of emotional there, and didn't think).  But he
    did say he is going to call other sysops in the region.  If you
    get this befor he calls, or if you have the number or address,
    get/post them.

    Mike sounded real hurt when he called.  So a word of support is
    the least we can do, but hopefully more.

    Amnon

    FidoNews 6-39                Page 3                   25 Sep 1989


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    OK, if you don't know what I was talking about, Mike Ratledge
    lives in Charlston SC, and I am sure he will not name his first
    born Hugo.

    Ed Melone, 360/0 - 360/1 volonteered to take care of the
    specifics, and open a bank account for the fund.

    If there is ANYTHING that you can do, please do it.  This is --
    unfortunatly -- one way we can show we do care about each other,
    and put all of our differences aside.

    I will keep you posted as to any developements, but at the
    meantime, you can get in touch with Ed, at 360/0.

    Shalom Y'all
    Amnon Nissan, REC18

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    FidoNews 6-39                Page 4                   25 Sep 1989


    Butch Witherspoon
    Fido 1:288/525

                    National Computer Learning Month
                      Computer Benefits Sweepstakes

    1 Grand Pize: One individual, drawn at random from the qualifying
    entries, will win a computer.

    10  Second  Prizes:  Ten  individuals,  drawn  at random from the
    qualifying entries, will win software programs.

    Description:  Computers  and  software  are  valuable  tools  for
    assisting  us  in  our  lives.  This  sweepstakes  is designed to
    encourage people to think about the ways computers  and  software
    can  be  used as tools to assist in other activities, rather than
    as ends in themselves.

    Rules: To qualify to enter the sweepstakes, you must  submit  the
    following.  On  n 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper, list the following
    doen the left side of  the  paper:  research  tool,  productivity
    tool,  learning  tool,  entertainment  tool.  Next to each one of
    these, briefly describe one way that computers and  software  can
    assist  you  as  this  type  of  tool in activities in your life.
    Attach this paper tpo the contest entry form.

    Limit: One entry per individual.

    For more information contact Butch Witherspoon, Fido 1:288/525 or
    write to NCLM Echo, P.O. Box 8045, Granite City, IL 62040-8045.

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    FidoNews 6-39                Page 5                   25 Sep 1989


                  North Dakota says good-bye.

      Well I learned about a week ago that my friend and partner
    in crime is getting reassigned from Minot AFB ND to the
    warmer climes of March AFB in California. And with his
    departure the only network and ONLY nodes in the state will
    disappear from our nodelist. Tom Manship went to the Dakotas
    with an idea to setup and operate a friendly and interesting
    BBS called the Buddist BBS. He succeeded so well that his
    BBS was named twice as one of the Top 10 in the country by
    PC Mag. Along the way he introduced a lot of people,
    including a me, to this neat little network called Fidonet.
    Why he persisted in the face of the great apathy and sparse
    population(600,000) of the state.....amazes even me. But he
    did and he was influential behind the scenes, even though he
    will strongly object to the idea, of changing the way some
    people look at this hobby. Maybe it has to do with his
    Buddist beliefs?
      I guess the reason I am lauding such praise upon the past
    net coordinator of 281 is that after a little experience and
    exposure to the network.....I am beginning to see the wisdom
    of his laid-back easy going style and "don't get mad"
    approach. If we could only just see that same spirit
    throughout the rest of the net. Wow!! You would attract a
    greater following and net expansion. We might even become a
    collective force to be dealt with when it comes to
    organizations that legislate/regulate/manufacture items
    vital to our hobby.
      In closing I hope that Tom Manship returns to us when he
    gets setup in California and keeps our feet on the ground
    and gently reminds us that sometimes there is "no answer"
    .....just questions......and friends with which to discuss
    them with.

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    FidoNews 6-39                Page 6                   25 Sep 1989


                Minutes of IFNA Board of Directors meeting
                 August 25-27 1989, FidoCon, San Jose, CA

                        *** Friday, August 25 ***
                            Convened at 17:25

    Roll Call

        Divisional
        ----------
     10 Bill Bird (alternate for Courtney Harris)
     12 Matt Whelen (alternate for Bill Bolten)
     13 Thom Henderson (alternate for Irene)
     15 Jim Cannell
     17 Steve Barnes
     19 John Knox

        At large
        --------
        Don Daniels
        Mort Sternheim
        Tony Davis for Ste
        Steve Jordon
        Phil Buonomo for Dave Melnick
        Matt Whelan


    Discussion on whether to allow one person to cast more than one
    vote, because Matt Whelan is a director and is also representing
    Bill Bolton.

    Motion by Mort Sternheim to accept minutes from Feb meeting -
    approved unanimously Accepted minutes from February Board meeting
    but the board was not impressed with the time it took to get them
    published.

    Statement of new business agenda items (just stating the agenda)
        - Appoint committe to look at BIX question
        - OPCN nodelist
        - Funding IC
        - FidoNews Editor resignation
        - Bill Bolton - the name of IFNA
        - Don Daniels - IFNA FidoNet policy statment

        Don Daniels to have open forum for questions from membership
        at the general BOD meeting on Sunday.


    Motion of thanks to FidoCon 89 organizers by Don Daniels
       passed unanimously

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    Motion to express appreciation to Fidonews editor by Don Daniels
       passed unanimously

    Don Daniels read Report of Nominations by Dave Melnick

    Don Daniels read election results for new board of directors
           - 63 total ballots
           - discussed how to break tie for Division 19
              .discussed how many real vacancies in board
              .let one fill a vacancy?
              .flip a coin?

    Motion by Thom Henderson to flip coin to solve tie for r19
        director discussion - how to solve tie (Bod decides?)
        -amended to accept report not as written and modify that we
         resolve the tie
        -Don D. told us one of the two got many at large votes that
         might influence our decision

      amend report with amendment that r19 tie be resolved by using
      total number of votes as director and other at large

      amend report by using total votes (region and atlarge) to
      determine tie in division 19.   passed all except Don Daniels
      who abstained

    Motion by Thom Henderson to accept report as amended - passed
    unanimously except Don Daniels, who abstained.
    Kris Vietch won by amendment of report.

    Discussed how to get new board together Saturday.
     - Thom Henderson suggested getting them together tonite after
       banquet


    Recessed at 18:30 until after banquet


                       *** Saturday, August 26 ***
                            Convened at 22:10


    Argument about proxies - should we allow them or not?
      - we have nothing in bylaws to disallow them
      - State laws don't disallow it


    Thom Henderson made motion to allow proxies in board meetings
    without limitation on how many they can actually do.
     - 10 yah, 1 nay, 1 abstain.

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    Phil Buonomo made motion to thank Mort Sternheim.
     - unanimously approved

    Don Daniels explains duties of the officers
     - chairmain chairs the meetings, names the heads of committees,
       can't make motions, can't make vote unless there is a tie,
       recommends removals
     - president runs the organization, breaks ties in exec committee
     - VP - acts for president, responsible for anuual meeting
     - VPTC
     - secretary/treasurer - self explanitory
     - 5 people will be on executive committee - 4 will be elected

    Phil Buonomo made motion to start nominations for new officers
     - unanimous

    Nominations
    -----------
    Chairman -  Phil Buonomo nominated Thom Henderson
                Tony Davis nominated John Knox

       Mort Sternheim made motion to close nominations for Chairmain
       - passed

       Bill Bird asked nominees how they intend to get bod members to
       do their jobs.

       Tony Davis observed that Thom Henderson might cause flak
       amongst FidoNet - however John Knox is a temporary alternate
       that is not a real member of the board

       Thom Henderson was elected chairman.

    10:55 - recessed for 5 minute break
    11:05 - resumed session

    Opened nominations for President
     - no nominations were received
     - The decision was made that the position needed more thought

    Motion to table President nominations.
     - seconded
     - open for discussion.
     - Got off track and discussed when to actually vote for
       president and where to have public meeting and when
     - Passed motion to table nominations for President.

    Opened nominations for Vice President
     - no nominations were received
     - Same reason as for president
     - Passed motion to table nominations for VP

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    VPTC
    ----
    Don D. Nominated Bill Bolton - seconded
    Phil B. Nominated Ben Baker - seconded
    Motion to close VPTC nominations - passed

    Discussion of qualifications of 2 nominees

    Fabian made motion to contact Bill Bolton and Ben Baker and table
    election until tomorrow
     - passed

    Tony Davis nominated Kris Veitch for secretary
     - no other nominations
     - Motion to table nominations - passed
     - Kris wins by acclimation


    Tony Davis nominated Kris Veitch for treasurer
     - no other nominations
     - Motion to table nominations - passed
     - Kris wins by acclimation


    Discussion of new business to put on agenda
     - discussion was tabled and attendees were told to give WRITTEN
       motions to the secretary.

    Tony Davis suggested a new committee to look into internet
    communications and recommended John Roberts as chairman.
    Discussion was tabled and motion will be added to the agenda for
    Sunday.

    Discussion to approach Tom Jennings to discuss the matter with
    his removal of the license to FidoNet.  Thom made the suggestion.
    The decision was made to approach him during Saturday's sessions.

    Motion to recess - passed.

    Meeting recessed at 12:05 until Saturday at 19:30.


                       *** Saturday, August 26 ***
                            Convened at 20:55

    Roll call
        Bill Bird for Courtney Harris
        John Lamb for John Rafuse
        Matt Whelan for Bill Bolton
        Fabian Gordon
        Peter Stern for Ivan Schaeffel
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        Steve Barnes for Kathi Krockett
        Rob Lerman for Kris Vietch
        Don Daniels
        Phil Buonomo
        Phil Buonomo for Mark Hawthorne
        Thom Henderson for Irene Henderson
        Steve Jordon
        Joe Keenan for Bob Rudolph
        Phil Buonomo for Dave Melnick
        Thom Henderson for Jim Hruby
        Phil Buonomo for Burt Juda
        Fabian Gordon for Karl Schinke
        Tony Davis for John Roberts
        Jim Cannell for Scott Miller
        Jim Cannell for Andrew Adler
        Mort Sternheim for Ken Kaplan
        Matt Whelan elected to divison 3 vacancy
        Tom Jennings elected for at large vacancy
        Henk Wevers absent

    Meeting opened to IFNA members
        ground rules - observers cannot interfere
        directors have 1st priv on chairs, bathroom
        may limit number of peple
        reserve right to convert to closed meeting

    motion to fill vacancies - div 3 and at large
        Matt Whelan nominated for division 3
        motion to close nominations
        Matt Whelan by acclimation
        Matt Whelan appoints Randy Bush as alternate
        - accepted at-large membership application from Randy Bush

    At-large director nominations
        Tony Davis nominated
        Tom Jennings nominated
        - accepted at-large membership application from Tom Jennings
        - Tom Jennings elected

    Nominations for President
        - Les Kooyman
        - Fabian Gordon
        nominations closed, open for discussion
        Don Daniels asked for qualifications from candidates
        - listen to qualifications
        move to close discussion, seconded, passed
        Les Kooyman elected President

    Nominations for Vice President
        - Steve Jordan nominated Fabian Gordon, Don Daniels seconded
        move to close nominations, seconded, passed
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        motion to elect by acclamation, seconded, passed

    21:50 - 5 minute recess
    22:00 - meeting reconvened

    Discussion of nominations for VPTC from yesterday's nominations
        listened to Jim Cannell about Bill Bolton
        heard question from Bob Hartman about Bill's accomplishments
        Fabian Gordon move to close discussion, seconded, closed
        Bill Bolton elected as VPTC

    move to appoint Matt Whelan to tell Bill Bolton that he is the
    VPTC, seconded, passed

    Reports from officers
    ---------------------
    President - no report
    VP   - no report
    VPTC - report is not here - table report until after next break
    Secretary - report not here - table report until break
    Treasurer - report not here - table report until break

    Committee reports
    -----------------
    exec commitee - no report
    a&f - no report now - tabled until report gets here
    nominations/elections - already accepted by outgoing board
    bylaws - report tabled until break
    tech standards
    publications - (Thom for Irene) FidoNews editor has indicated he
        desires to resign
        Randy Bush move to note that no report from pub committee,
          seconded, passed
    intl affairs - table report until after next break
    membership services - no report
    membership database - Randy Bush move that there is no report

    motion to untable bylaws report, seconded, passed
      Don Daniels presented bylaws committee report

    divisional director reports
    ---------------------------
    10 bill bird - no report
    11 no report
    12 table report because not here
    13 no report
    14 no report
    15 no report
    16 no report
    17 no report
    18 no report
    19 no report
    FidoNews 6-39                Page 12                  25 Sep 1989


     2 no report
     3 no report

    other committee reports
    -----------------------
    ethics - has been document submitted but no report
    public affairs - no report


    OLD BUSINESS
    ------------
    Processing of the trademark and associated legal bill
      - discussion of validity of the bill
      - motion as amended to refer to exec comm
      - second-passed


    22:40 recessed
    23:05 - reconvened

    Secretary reported Peter Stern representing Ivan Schaeffel has to
    leave the meeting.  Ivan Schaeffel has appointed Vince Perriello
    as proxy.


    Retable report from VPTC becaues it still cannot be found
    no retable on secretary report - no report
    motion to table treasurers report, second, passed

    Randy Bush moved board passed to exec comm that we have no
    balance sheet or income statement and is extremely high priority
    item, seconded, passed

    Randy Bush moves to table international affairs report, seconded,
    passed


    NEW BUSINESS
    ------------

    Call for written additions

    Executive committeee appointments
        4 members to be appointed, everyone casts 4 votes
        nominations:
        - Don Daniels
        - Karl Schenke
        - Matt Whelan
        - Kris Veitch
        Joe Keenan move to close nominations.
        Four nominees elected by acclaimation

    FidoNews 6-39                Page 13                  25 Sep 1989


    Randy Bush - move to have treasurer deal with local FidoCon 89
    chair to pay to have meeting room tomorrow for board meeting
        second by Vince Perriello, passed


    Fabian Gordon - move to revise the IFNA nodelist copyright notice
    to read, "Copyright (year), International FidoNet Association,
    Inc. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED"
        Randy Bush - Amend to executive committe is empowered to
            consult legal advice to modify copyright notice on
            nodelist, seconded, passed
        Phil Buonomo - Amend to require that it be done by October 1,
            seconded, passed
        Motion passed as amended


    Phil Buonomo - motion to entertain proposals/decide on site of
        FidoCon 90 Seconded, rejected.

    00:00 - Mort Sternheim had to leave meeting, appointed Bob
        Hartman as proxy


    Phil Buonomo - motions to amend IFNA bylaws
        major frigging discussion
        Thom Henderson - question is can we consider that question?
        Phil Buonomo read bylaws to clarify if we can do this or not
        Point of order - can the board consider this motion?
        Chairman calls for a vote on the point of order.
             "Disagree with the point of order that we do not
             have the right to consider amendments which have not
             been submitted to the board by bylaws comittee."
             nay 11  yay  6  abstain  6
             I.e. yes the board may consider this question

    00:40 - recessed for 5 minutes
    00:50 - reconvened

    Motion to amend bylaws, seconded, discussion
        Jim Cannell moved to recess until 07:00am Sunday, seconded,
        passed

    02:15 - recess until 7:00 Sunday in romm 922


                        *** Sunday, August 27 ***
                            Convened at 08:00

    Roll call
        Bill Bird for Courtney Harris
        John Lamb for John Rafuse
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        Matt Whelan for Bill Bolton
        Randy Bush for Matt Whelan
        Fabian Gordon
        Peeter Stern for Ivan Schaeffel
        Steve Barnes for Kathi Krockett
        Rob Lerman for Kris Veitch
        Don Daniels
        Phil Buonomo
        Phil Buonomo for Mark Hawthorne
        Thom Henderson for Irene Henderson
        Steve Jordon
        Joe Keenan for Bob Rudolph
        Phil Buonomo for Dave Melnick
        Thom Henderson for Jim Hruby
        Phil Buonomo for Burt Juda
        Fabian Gordon for Karl Schinke
        Tony Davis for John Roberts
        Jim Cannell for Scott Miller
        Jim Cannell for Andrew Adler
        Bob Hartman for Ken Kaplan
        Tom Jennings
        Henk Wevers absent


    Don Daniels - motion to request immmediate discontinuance of
        violation of nodelist copyright, seconded, passed.
        - Randy Bush moves we make it unanimous, seconded, passed

    Don Daniels - motion to allow OPCN nodelist
        - Failed for lack of a second

    8:15 - Joe Keenan arrives

    Kris Veitch - motion to fund the IC
        - Vince Perriello seconds
        - Jim Cannell moves to table, seconded, tabled

    Reopen discusssion on motion to entertain ammendments to bylaws
        - restated and clarified motion
        - discussion again
        - author of motion has asked for comments on rewording
        - Randy Bush asked for straw poll
        - reworded, if in nodelist, at time of election, sysop gets
          vote for at-large

    08:50 - recessed
    09:00 - reconvened

    Motion to amend the bylaws
        yay  16  nay 5  abstain 2
        The bylaws are amended

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    Phil Buonomo - motion to call for a referendum
        Seconded, discussion
        - Randy Bush, nodes should respond to this vote to prove this
          node works
        - the intent of the yellow sheet was agreed upon
        motion to recess until 10:00 downstairs, seconded, recessed


    9:50 - recess
    10:20 - General meeting

    Roll call

        Bill Bird for Courtney Harris
        John Lamb for John Rafuse
        Matt Whelan for Bill Bolton
        Fabian Gordon
        Peter Stern for Ivan Schaeffel
        Steve Barnes for Kathi Krockett
        Rob Lerman for Kris Veitch
        Don Daniels
        Phil Buonomo
        Phil Buonomo for Mark Hawthorne
        Thom Henderson for Irene Henderson
        Steve Jordon
        Joe Keenan for Bob Rudolph
        Phil Buonomo for Dave Melnick
        Thom Henderson for Jim Hruby
        Phil Buonomo for Burt Juda
        Fabian Gordon for Karl Schinke
        John Knox for John Roberts
        Jim Cannell for Scott Miller
        Jim Cannell for Andrew Adler
        Bob Hartman for Ken Kaplan
        Randy Bush for Matt Whelan
        Tom Jennings
        Henk Wevers absent


    Phil Buonomo - move to table motion under consideration and
        appoint special committee, seconded, passed
        Chairman appoints Phil Buonomo and Don Daniels to special
            committee

    Randy Bush - move that board ask current FidoNews editor to
        remain in office, seconded, passed.  Vince Perriello accepts.

    Phil Buonomo - move to accept policy 4
        Failed for lack of a second

    Bill Bolton - motion to rename IFNA
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        - Matt Whelan seconds
        - Randy Bush moves to table, seconded, tabled

    Bill Bolton - motion on affirmation of interests of IFNA
        - Randy Bush seconds
        - Don Daniels moves to pass on to committee, seconded, passed

    Don Daniels - motion regarding Bix and echomail, seconded,
        rejected.  Noted for record, Bob Hartman and Fabian Gordon
        abstained.

    Phil Buonomo - final motion for bylaws
        - Randy Bush seconded
        - Randy Bush moved to remove item about VPTC/IC, Jim Cannell
          seconds, amendment accepted by author.
        - Don Daniels moved to remove "at no charge", Randy Bush
          seconds, passed.
        - Randy Bush moved to amend dates on voting to Dec 1 for
          original referendum, Feb 1 for policy/bylaws referendum.
          Seconded, passed
        - Motion accepted as amended.
        - Randy Bush moves to make it unanimouse, seconded, passed.

    Motion to adjourn, seconded, passed

    Metting adjourned at 11:45.

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    =================================================================
                          LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
    =================================================================


    From:   David Pyke of 120/148.0
    To:     Everyone of 1/1.0
    Subj:   the finding of a source

    I am unable to get ahold of the source for the game Omega due to
    the lack of easynet access.  WOuld any one having the latest
    version of the source please send me where i can get it.  I wish
    to install it on the VAX i have use of.

    From:   Scott Johnson of 260/332.0
    To:     Sysop of 1/1.0
    Subj:   Showpartner, and Hyperpad

    I'm not sure just how many people are out there that own a
    product called Showpartner, and Hyperpad.  They are both products
    of a company out of Syracuse, NY called Brightbill/Roberts. Their
    customer support BBS has been a whole lot less than anticipated,
    and expected.  In response to this, I am setting up areas in my
    BBS to handle this situation.  I am not an employee of
    Brightbill/Roberts, nor am I a user of these particular products.
    I am a supporter of any new company, and a supporter of Customer
    SUPPORT.  In this respect, I feel that this BBS should, and will
    support Showpartner, and Hyperpad if only to handle the influx of
    questions and ideas, as well as files, and programs.  My BBS is
    called "The Last Word!!!" at 1200 baud, 8/n/1, and the phone
    number is (315) 476-3604.  All hyperpad and Showpartner users
    will receive instant validation if they fill out the
    Showpartner/Hyperpad questionnaire.

                                   Scott Johnson
                                   Syracuse, NY   13203

    From:   Adam Plotkin 269/101.0
    To:     EVERYONE of 1/1.0
    Subj:   Fido Mailers

    do you know of any fido mailers or BBS programs for the Apple
    IIGS or II Series?  Your help is appreciated.  Also, if someone
    is writing one and you could put me in touch with him, I'd love
    it.

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    FidoNews 6-39                Page 18                  25 Sep 1989


    =================================================================
                             LATEST VERSIONS
    =================================================================

                         Latest Software Versions

                              MS-DOS Systems
                              --------------

                          Bulletin Board Software
    Name        Version    Name        Version    Name       Version

    Fido            12n+   Phoenix         1.3    TBBS           2.1
    Lynx           1.30    QuickBBS       2.04    TComm/TCommNet 3.4
    Kitten         2.15*   RBBS          17.2A    TPBoard        5.2
    Opus          1.03b+                          Wildcat!     2.00P


    Network                Node List              Other
    Mailers     Version    Utilities   Version    Utilities  Version

    BinkleyTerm    2.30*   EditNL         4.00    ARC           6.02
    D'Bridge       1.21    MakeNL         2.12    ARCmail        2.0
    Dutchie       2.90C    ParseList      1.30    ConfMail      4.00
    FrontDoor       2.0    Prune          1.40    EMM           2.02
    PRENM          1.47    XlatList       2.90    GROUP         2.15*
    SEAdog        4.51A    XlaxDiff       2.32    LHARC         1.13
                           XlaxNode       2.32    MSG            3.3
                                                  MSGED         1.99
                                                  PK[UN]ZIP     1.01*
                                                  QM             1.0
                                                  QSORT         4.03*
                                                  TCOMMail       2.2
                                                  TMail         1.11
                                                  TPBNetEd       3.2
                                                  UFGATE        1.03
                                                  XRS            3.0*
                                                  ZmailQ        1.09

                                Macintosh
                                ---------

    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    Red Ryder Host   v2.1b3   Tabby         2.1   MacArc        0.04
    Mansion            7.12                       ArcMac         1.3
    WWIV (Mac)          3.0                       StuffIt       1.51
                                                  TImport      1.331
                                                  TExport       1.32
    FidoNews 6-39                Page 19                  25 Sep 1989


                                                  Timestamp      1.6
                                                  Tset           1.3
                                                  Timestart      1.1
                                                  Tally          1.1
                                                  Mehitabel      1.2
                                                  Archie        1.60
                                                  Jennifer   0.25b2g
                                                  Numberizer    1.5c
                                                  MessageEdit    1.0
                                                  Mantissa       1.0
                                                  PreStamp      2.01
                                                  R.PreStamp    2.01
                                                  Saphire       2.1t
                                                  Epistle II    1.01
                                                  Import        2.52
                                                  Export        2.54
                                                  Sundial        2.1
                                                  AreaFix        1.1
                                                  Probe        0.052
                                                  Terminator     1.1
                                                  TMM           4.0b

                                  Amiga
                                  -----

    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    Paragon            1.00+* BinkleyTerm  1.50   ConfMail      1.10*
                                                  ChameleonEdit 0.10
                                                  RMB           1.30


                                   Atari ST
                                   --------

    Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailer      Other Utilities

    Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

    Star-Net           2.00   BinkleyTerm 1.03g   ConfMail      1.00
    EchoDoor           0.11                       ParseList     1.30
    GS Point           0.61                       ARC           5.21
    FoReM Door         1.00                       TurboArc       1.1
                                                  LHARC         0.40
                                                  PKUNZIP       1.00
                                                  MSGED        1.96S
                                                  SRENUM         6.2
                                                  OMMM          1.30
                                                  Timestop      1.00

    FidoNews 6-39                Page 20                  25 Sep 1989


    + Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software)
    * Recently changed

    Utility authors:  Please help  keep  this  list  up  to  date  by
    reporting  new  versions  to 1:1/1.  It is not our intent to list
    all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.

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    FidoNews 6-39                Page 21                  25 Sep 1989


    =================================================================
                                 NOTICES
    =================================================================

                         The Interrupt Stack


     5 Oct 1989
       20th Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus"

    11 Oct 1989
       First International Modula-2 Conference at Bled, Yugoslavia
       hosting Niklaus Wirth and the British Standards Institution.
       Contact 1:106/8422 for more information.

    11 Nov 1989
       A new area code forms in northern Illinois at 12:01 am.
       Chicago proper will remain area code 312; suburban areas
       formerly served with that code will become area code 708.

    23 Nov 1989
       26th Anniversary of "Dr. Who" - and still going strong

    30 Dec 1989
       Telephone area codes (5, 3 and 0) are abolished in Hong Kong

    If you have something which you would like to see on this
    calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.

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    FidoNews 6-39                Page 22                  25 Sep 1989


    =================================================================
                                 REPORTS
    =================================================================

    Don Daniels
    1:107/210

               Report from Bylaws and Rules Committee
                            89/09/21

    During the recent Board of Directors meeting held August 25-27
    in San Jose during FidoCon, the Board of Directors enacted
    changes to the bylaws of IFNA as follows:

      1f) is changed to read:

         "At-Large Member.  Anyone listed in the FidoNet nodelist who
         is a system operator in good standing of a PUBLIC ACCESS
         NODE at the date of publication of the ballot, is
         automatically entitled to one vote in the election.  Dues
         for At-Large Members are set at $0."

         [The intent of this amendment is to insure that all public
         access sysops in the FidoNet nodelist in good standing are
         automatically granted a vote in an election, without having
         to apply for membership or pay a 'processing fee'.]

      2. is changed to read:

         "Applications for regular, associate, commercial, or life
         membership shall be submitted to the..."

      9. is changed from "written report" to "report".

     10. is changed from "Elections Committee shall solicit such
         petitions" to "Elections Committee should solicit such
         petitions".

         Add "Failure to meet the deadline will not invalidate an
         election."

     11. Strike "Annual Membership Meeting", change to "the
         election".  Strike "send to every voting member, and..."
         Add "Failure to meet the deadline will not invalidate an
         election."

     12. Remove the last sentence, "Said time must be at least
         forty (40) days from the date the ballots were sent to the
         membership."

     13. Change to read, "The Nominations and Elections Committee
    FidoNews 6-39                Page 23                  25 Sep 1989


         shall be responsible for the receipt, tabulation and
         verification of all BALLOTS cast before the close of
         voting."

     18. Change the word "mailed" to be "sent".

    The complete, up-to-date set of the IFNA Articles of Association
    and Bylaws may be obtained from 1:107/210 or 1:107/211 by file
    requesting BYLAWS.ARC (which is dated 89/09/21).

    Thanks to Phil Buonomo for preparing most of this report!

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    FidoNews 6-39                Page 24                  25 Sep 1989


           OFFICERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION

    Thom Henderson 1:107/1015 Chairman of the Board
    Les Kooyman    1:204/501  President
    Fabian Gordon  1:107/323  Vice President
    Bill Bolton    3:3/0      Vice President-Technical Coordinator
    Kris Veitch    1:147/30   Secretary
    Kris Veitch    1:147/30   Treasurer


           IFNA COMMITTEE AND BOARD CHAIRS

     Administration and Finance   *
     Board of Directors  (CoB)    Thom Henderson   1:107/1015
     By-laws and Rules            *
     Executive Committee (Pres)   Les Kooyman      1:204/501
     International Affairs        *
     Membership Services          *
     Nominations and Elections    *
     Public Affairs               *
     Publications                 Irene Henderson  1:107/9
     Technical Standards          Rick Moore       1:115/333
     Ethics                       *
     Security & Individual Rights *
     Grievance Committee          *


     * Position waiting to be appointed/confirmed by IFNA Chairman
       of the Board of Directors, Thom Henderson.


                     IFNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS

        DIVISION                               AT-LARGE
     10 Courtney Harris  1:102/732   Don Daniels      1:107/210
     11 John Rafuse      1:12/700    Phil Buonomo     1:107/583
     12 Bill Bolton      3:711/403   Mark Hawthorne   1:107/238
     13 Fabian Gordon    1:107/323   Tom Jennings     1:125/111
     14 Ken Kaplan       1:100/22    Irene Henderson  1:107/509
     15 Scott  Miller    1:128/12    Steve Jordan     1:206/2871
     16 Ivan Schaffel    1:141/390   Robert Rudolph   1:261/628
     17 Kathi Crockett   1:134/30    Dave Melnik      1:107/233
     18 Andrew Adler     1:135/47    Jim Hruby        1:107/536
     19 Kris Veitch      1:147/30    Burt Juda        1:107/528
      2 Henk Wevers      2:500/1     Karl Schinke     1:107/516
      3 Matt Whelan      3:54/99     John Roberts     1:147/14

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    FidoNews 6-39                Page 25                  25 Sep 1989


                                     __
                The World's First   /  \
                   BBS Network     /|oo \
                   * FidoNet *    (_|  /_)
                                   _`@/_ \    _
                                  |     | \   \\
                                  | (*) |  \   ))
                     ______       |__U__| /  \//
                    / Fido \       _//|| _\   /
                   (________)     (_/(_|(____/ (tm)

           Membership for the International FidoNet Association

    Membership in IFNA is open to any individual or organization that
    pays  a  specified  annual   membership  fee.   IFNA  serves  the
    international  FidoNet-compatible  electronic  mail  community to
    increase worldwide communications.

    Member Name _______________________________  Date _______________
    Address _________________________________________________________
    City ____________________________________________________________
    State ________________________________  Zip _____________________
    Country _________________________________________________________
    Home Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________
    Work Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________

    Zone:Net/Node Number ____________________________________________
    BBS Name ________________________________________________________
    BBS Phone Number ________________________________________________
    Baud Rates Supported ____________________________________________
    Board Restrictions ______________________________________________

    Your Special Interests __________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    In what areas would you be willing to help in FidoNet? __________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    Send this membership form and a check or money order for $25 in
    US Funds to:
                  International FidoNet Association
                  PO Box 41143
                  St Louis, Missouri 63141
                  USA

    Thank you for your membership!  Your participation will help to
    insure the future of FidoNet.

    Please NOTE that IFNA is a general not-for-profit organization
    and Articles of Association and By-Laws were adopted by the
    membership in January 1987.  The second elected Board of Directors
    was filled in August 1988.  The IFNA Echomail Conference has been
    established on FidoNet to assist the Board.  We welcome your
    input to this Conference.

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