Volume 5, Number 29                                  18 July 1988
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                            Table of Contents

    1. ARTICLES  .................................................  1
       Proposal for (yet) another new net  .......................  1
       Toward a Virus Free FidoNet  .............................. 15
       XlaxNode Version 2.10 Release Notice  ..................... 17
    2. NOTICES  .................................................. 18
       The Interrupt Stack  ...................................... 18
       FidoCon/Delta ticket giveaway ends soon!  ................. 18
       Latest Software Versions  ................................. 18
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    Jack Decker
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                  PROPOSAL FOR (YET) ANOTHER NEW NET

    Within the last few months, I've seen a few new nets form as
    "alternatives" to Fidonet.  The problem with many of these, in
    my view, is that they are almost "special interest" nets... for
    example, Alternet is the "burnouts" net with a medieval motiff
    (some say "Dungeons and Dragons").  The "Good Egg Net" is for
    those who want a return to the simpler days of Fidonet, and has
    a "National Egg Commissioner"  and various titles like that.
    Personally, the thought of joining a net and having to refer to
    those higher in the organization as the Duke or Duchess of
    such-and-such, or Egg Inspector so-and-so, does not really
    appeal to me.  These games are fine for those who enjoy them
    (and this is not a slam against those who do), but it's just not
    my cup of tea.  I'd guess I prefer a net that's run on a
    slightly more businesslike basis.

    At the same time, I see many problems in Fidonet that come about
    because the workings of Fidonet are often based on assumptions
    that are not totally valid, and policies that were formulated
    back in the days before echomail even existed.  For that reason,
    I'd like to propose a new net to be called "LCRNET".   LCR
    Stands for "LEAST COST ROUTING" and describes the most basic
    guiding principle behind this new net... namely, the primary
    purpose of this net will be to enable sysops to move netmail and
    echomail as inexpensively as possible.  To this end, any
    tradition or policy that interferes with the concept of Least
    Cost Routing will be disposed of post haste.

    In the next few paragraphs, I'd like to outline just a few
    specifics of this proposal.  I want to find out if anyone else
    is interested in such a net, and if so, solicit ideas for the
    best way to implement it.


    HOW DOES LCRNET DIFFER FROM FIDONET?

    LCRNET will make some major breaks with time-honored Fidonet
    conventions, but where possible we want to retain enough
    compatibility with Fidonet that we can still pass netmail and
    echoes back and forth.  Unfortunately, unless someone can come
    up with a better idea, the only way that I can see to accomplish
    this is to follow the precedent set by the other "alternative"
    nets that have gone before, and assign LCRNET a separate "zone"
    number.  The reason for doing this is that echomail can then be
    passed through "zonegates" which will have the capability to
    produce echomail packets in a format acceptable to Fidonet
    nodes, should any "conversion" be required.
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    NO REGIONS

    Regions are a political division within Fidonet.  They are not
    used by any echomail or netmail processor for mail routing.  It
    appears that in Fidonet regional divisions have actually worked
    against Least Cost Routing.  The reason for this is that some
    regional coordinators see their regions as sort of their own
    little fiefdoms, and regard regional boundaries as sacred.  But
    for many sysops, the least expensive source for echomail may
    well be on the other side of the artificially-created regional
    boundary.  Thus, I feel that regional divisions have proven to
    be counter-productive to the efficient operation of the net, and
    propose that the whole concept of Regions be done away with.

    ZONES TO BE GATEWAYS TO OTHER NETS

    Zones, even though on a higher level than nets, are still
    basically artificial geographic divisions.  I feel that
    "zonegates" can be more useful as gateways to other nets
    (Fidonet, Alternet, FamilyNet, Eggnet, etc.).  However, this is
    not cast in stone, and if anyone can provide compelling reasons
    for duplicating Fidonet's zone usage in LCRNET, we can certain
    consider that aspect of mail addressing.  Please note that the
    country in which a net is located can be determined from the net
    number if the numbering plan described in the next paragraph if
    adopted.

    NET NUMBERS TO BE FOUR DIGIT NUMBERS

    I have two reasons for this.  One is that by using four digit
    numbers for nets, it will make it much easier to interface
    LCRNET with Fidonet, which generally uses three-digit zone
    numbers.  The other reason is that we can specify that the first
    digits of the net number will duplicate the telephone country
    code for the net where the country is located, thus giving us
    some opportunity for deterining where a node is geographically
    located should this become desirable.  For example:

    Net 1xxx = United States & Canada....  1000 possible net numbers
    Net 61xx = Australia.... 100 possible net numbers
    Net 507x = Panama.... 10 possible net numbers

    Net numbers ending in "99" (for countries with one digit country
    codes) or "9" (for countries with two or three digit country
    codes) will be reserved for point nets.  These numbers will
    never appear in the nodelist and thus can be reused for
    different point nets at various locations throughout a country.
    They are simply left unassigned as a convenience so that any
    sysop can create a point net and assign a net number with the
    assurance that this number will never be used by any "real" net.

    NO GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTIONS ON NETS

    Normally, a net will encompass the local calling area of a city,
    plus some outlying nodes that may or may not be able to call
    into the city with a local call.  But in LCRNET, the sysop of
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    any given node may join any net he chooses to, providing the net
    host is willing to allow him in.  Joining a net at some distance
    away because it is a low-cost or no-cost call to that location
    is specifically permitted, and even encouraged.

    By the same token, there will be no prohibition against having
    more than one net covering the same geographic area.  LCRNET is
    not a geographically-driven net... cost is the driving factor.
    Nodes can even join nets in other countries if they wish (in
    which case they will use the net number of their net host).
    This is to avoid restricting a node that may have access to a
    special calling service (for example, a foreign exchange line to
    a distant city) from joining a net in that distant city, but it
    is also designed to avoid the situation where a net host can
    become overbearing on the nodes under him.  There are no
    monopolies in LCRNET, any node is free to join any net that will
    take him in.

    Net hosts in LCRNET should be willing to take in nodes outside
    their local geographic area so long as it does not increase
    their costs and so long as the node has a reasonably good reason
    for wanting to join.  A "personality conflict" with the local
    net host *may* be considered good reason for him to join another
    net, however, net hosts are not required to take in nodes that
    have proven themselves to be "twits" in other nets.


    SOFTWARE BREAKS WITH FIDONET

    Certain assumptions that were considered valid in Fidonet are
    specifically NOT valid in LCRNET.  These include:

    Invalid assumption #1:  File attaches are never forwarded.

    In LCRNET, a good sysop will try to provide a way to forward
    file attaches (netmail messages with files attached) so long as
    they do not increase his costs.  In other words, file attaches
    need not be forwarded if the sysop is paying a per-minute toll
    charge to send netmail, but local file attaches (and those that
    can be sent via PC Pursuit and similar services) SHOULD be
    forwarded to the destination node.  This may in some cases
    require the use of software that is not yet available, so this
    goal may not be attained immediately.  Please note that just
    because the capability to forward file attaches is present does
    not mean it should be used.  Anyone planning to forward a very
    large file, or to forward files on a regular basis, should
    probably obtain permission first from the sysops of the systems
    through which such files will pass.

    Invalid assumption #2:  ARCA and ARCE are the "standard" ARCing
    and deARCing programs.

    ARCA and some versions of ARCE do NOT support "squashing" which
    is the most efficient method of packing many netmail archives.
    Therefore, in LCRNET the "standard" programs will be PKARC and
    PKXARC.  Some sysops may not be able to use PKARC during the
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    mail packing process so they may continue to use ARCA as an
    interim measure, but they should at least try to use PKXARC to
    unARC files.  Many mail tossers now allow the option of using
    PKXARC to unpack files, and conversion programs (e.g. ARC2PK)
    are available for use with other systems (such as Opus 1.03b).
    Programs that are totally incapable of at least unARCing
    "squashed" archives shall be considered non-standard in LCRNET.

    Invaild assumption #3:  Netmail (or matrix mail, as it is
    sometimes called) is always sent direct, or from net host to net
    host.  In LCRNET, it is considered desirable to send messages at
    the lowest possible cost.  Therefore, within the United States
    all Net Hosts that are not themselves PC Pursuitable shall make
    arrangements to "home" their mail traffic to a node in a PC
    Pursuitable city (net hosts in other countries, particularly
    those in Canada, may optionally elect to do this as well).  When
    this is done, the PC Pursuitable node to which netmail traffic
    for this net can be routed should be listed under an AI: flag in
    the nodelist comment field (see NODELIST FLAGS).  Since LCRNET
    attempts to route netmail messages over "no cost" routes, or at
    very least along with regular echomail packets, the use of
    software that allows "return receipts" to be generated shall be
    considered a desirable feature.

    One other break with Fidonet is that the use of "tiny" SEEN-BY
    lines and tight control over network topologies will be
    encouraged.  Sending duplicate messages around the net shall be
    considered an EXTREMELY undesirable action.  Therefore, all
    nodes carrying echomail shall, whenever possible, use software
    that supports the ^APATH: line (e.g. ConfMail) so that the
    source of duplicate messages can be easily determined.  In
    addition, NO NODE SHALL RECEIVE THE SAME ECHO FROM TWO DIFFERENT
    FEEDS, unless he specifically informs BOTH feeds of what he is
    doing and they BOTH authorize it, and steps are taken to avoid
    the introduction of DUPE messages into the net.


    POLITICAL BREAKS WITH FIDONET

    I would like to leave politics out of LCRNET as much as
    possible.  This is one reason I advocate eliminating Regions, as
    these simply create small fiefdoms that tend to give certain
    individuals too much power.  In addition, I advocate the
    following breaks with Fidonet:

    CONFERENCE MODERATORS TO BE SUPREME OVER THEIR CONFERENCES

    In LCRNET, a conference moderator has more authority and more
    responsibility than in Fidonet.  In LCRNET, the moderator shall
    try to keep an accurate topology map of his conference, and to
    know at all times where a given node is receiving the conference
    from, and who he is sending it to.  The only exception to this
    is that if one node is feeding the conference to other nodes in
    a given net, the conference moderator need not be informed of
    those who add and drop the conference within the net.

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    Any LCRNET node receiving a conference shall provide a comple
    list of the nodes he is receiving the conference from, or that
    he is sending the conference to, at the request of the
    moderator.

    The conference moderator may, for good cause, rename a
    conference (to avoid name confusion with another conference, or
    to facilitate merging the conference with another of the same
    name) and/or direct that links to a particular node be cut.
    Valid reasons for cutting nodes to a link could include any of
    the following:

    1) Messages originate from that node that contain foul language.
    Those who believe in total freedom of speech and the right to
    say anything, anywhere, at any time will NOT be happy in LCRNET
    and are encouraged NOT to join.  The intent is that LCRNET will
    be more like Alternet than Fidonet in this regard.  Profanity
    and foul language shall normally be considered bad behaviour in
    LCRNET unless a conference moderator specifically allows them in
    a given conference.  HOWEVER, no LCRNET node shall under any
    circumstances be required to carry or pass along an echo in
    which profanity or foul language are allowed.

    2) Messages originate from a node that contain personal attacks
    on others.  It is one thing to disagree with someone else's
    viewpoints, quite another to attack their intelligence or
    background, etc.  As with foul language, personal attacks shall
    normally be considered bad behaviour in LCRNET, and no LCRNET
    node shall under any circumstances be required to carry or pass
    along an echo in which they are tolerated.

    3) Messages originate from a node that consistently violate the
    stated rules of an echo.  Also, a conference moderator is not
    required to put up with users that consistently "test the
    limits" of the moderator's patience by trying to see how close
    they can come to breaking a rule without actually breaking it
    (for example, using "veiled" profainty in which the meaning is
    fairly obvious, or "near" personal attacks).

    4) Messages originate from a node that contain illegal
    information (stolen credit card numbers, etc.), that are
    patently obscene, or that contain remarks designed to stir up
    hatred or advocate violence between people of different races,
    religions, etc.  These types of messages are specifically NOT
    ALLOWED in LCRNET.  Note that in regard to illegal information,
    a message must actually CONTAIN illegal information to violate
    this rule.  For example, a message that states "I think everyone
    ought to use stolen credit cards" would not violate THIS rule,
    though it might violate a posted rule of the conference in
    question.  But a message that CONTAINED stolen credit card
    numbers WOULD violate this rule.

    5) In the case of religious or political echoes that are
    intended as "meeting places" for people of like mind, links may
    be cut to nodes that constantly allow messages that agitate
    against these beliefs.  For example, if a conference were set up
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    for the express purpose of discussing how best to implement the
    Strategic Defense Initiative, a node that consistantly allows
    messages to be posted discouraging the whole concept, advocating
    a nuclear freeze, etc. could be cut from the conference.  The
    test here shall be whether the conference is set up primarily
    for people of like mind to share thoughts and ideas, or whether
    the conference is considered "open to unbelievers".  However,
    even in the latter case, a node may be cut for specific repeated
    violations of conference rules.

    6) Links may be cut to a node if the Sysop of that node refuses
    the legitimate request of the conference moderator to provide a
    list of nodes that he is receiving the conference from and
    sending the conference to.  The conference moderator must have
    this information available in order to track down the source of
    duplicate messages, or messages that consistently violate the
    rules of LCRNET or of the echo itself.  However, conference
    moderators shall not pass out this information to others if the
    Sysop requests that such information be kept confidential,
    unless such disclosure is necessary to prove that a rule
    violation has occurred when cutting links to that node.

    ECHOES CARRIED ON LCRNET DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY BECOME "PUBLIC
    DOMAIN"

    The one and only purpose of this statement is to assure
    conference moderators that they are allowed to pull their
    conferences OFF of LCRNET should they feel the absolute need to
    do so.  We hope that the greater authority afforded to
    moderators on LCRNET would never make this necessary, but a
    moderator does have the right to do this if he or she feels it
    necessary.

    LCRNET echoes may NOT be carried by nodes belonging to any other
    net (Star or backbone nodes in particular) unless they agree to
    this condition.

    ECHOMAIL HUBS MAY NOT CUT ECHO FEEDS FOR POLITICAL REASONS

    In Fidonet the situation has sometimes come up where a node will
    cut all echomail feeds to another node because of some
    disagreement between the two sysops.  Thus, control over
    echomail feeds becomes a form of "blackmail" over another sysop.
    This sort of thing is considered EXTREMELY bad behaviour in
    LCRNET.  Generally speaking, no LCRNET node is required to bring
    any given conference into an area, but when it does bring in a
    conference and offers it to other nodes, it must offer it on a
    non-discriminatory basis.  The only valid reasons for refusing
    to send a conference to a node are as follows:

    1) The conference moderator has directed that links to this node
    for a particular conference be cut, as specified above.

    2) Providing the conference would cause the node to incur
    additional costs.  Obviously, this is not valid if the
    conference can be sent via a flat-rate medium such as PC
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    Pursuit, or if the receiving node offers to poll for the echoes.

    3) Technical limitations... for example, a node is running Opus
    software and is already sending a given echo to ten other nodes
    (the maximum allowed in Opus).  But if the node receiving the
    request for a feed is the ONLY no-cost source for that echo
    available to that node, some sort of arrangement should be made
    to try and accommodate that node.

    4) Technical problems at the receiving node... for example, no
    one is required to provide feeds to a node that constantly
    generates "dupe" messages.

    Please keep in mind that the primary motivation of LCRNET is to
    reduce costs for all involved.  Therefore, if you are the only
    no-cost source of an echo to a given node, and you refuse to
    provide the echo to that node, you should have a VERY good
    reason for the refusal.

    PASSING ON COSTS

    Nodes that wish to become Echomail hubs for a given area should
    be prepared to absorb the expenses incurred in that operation.
    This is not to imply that two or more nodes cannot share costs
    incurred in bringing echoes into an area, but this should be
    considered the exception rather than the rule.

    If a node is using a flat-rate service such as PC Pursuit to
    bring echoes into a given area and wishes to split the monthly
    cost with other nodes, it shall be divided equally among all
    nodes receiving the echoes.  For example, if one node is
    receiving echoes and distributing them to four other nodes, this
    means that five nodes are benefiting from the echoes, so each
    node should pay one-fifth of the monthly charge ($5 in the case
    of PC Pursuit at $25 per month).  Costs should not be assessed
    on number of echoes received since this discourages nodes from
    carrying new echoes.  Again, however, this type of cost sharing
    should be considered the exception rather than the norm
    (primarily since the person holding the flat-rate account can
    use it for non-BBS related activites, and thus derives greater
    benefit from it).  Cost sharing of non-flat-rate services (e.g.
    regular long distance charges) is officially discouraged because
    it almost invariably leads to arguments and hard feelings over
    whether everyone is paying their "fair share".


    NET HOSTS GOVERN AT THE PLEASURE OF THE NET SYSOPS

    Despite the cries for a "democracy" in Fidonet, I don't feel
    that net hosts should be subject to the necessity of
    "campaigning" and running a "popularity contest" periodically.
    Many sysops have stated they simply would not take a position
    under such circumstances.  However, nothing in the LCRNET rules
    will PREVENT the formation of democratically-governed nets,
    where the Net Host is elected by the sysops in the net, but in
    such cases the rules for such elections shall be decided by the
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    net itself.  Please keep in mind, however, that nothing in
    LCRNET rules prevents the formation of two different nets that
    cover the same geographical area.  There are no monopolies in
    LCRNET!  Thus if a number of sysops feel that they cannot
    function under the current net host, and he or she cannot be
    persuaded to resign, those sysops are perfectly free to start
    another net.  However, things should not be allowed to
    deteriorate to the point where this is necessary if at all
    possible.  LCRNET should be a net of cooperation, not
    competition.  Net hosts who feel the need to dictate many rules
    or policies for their own net (in addition to those in this
    document) might be happier in another net.

    Above the Net level, there are no intermediates until you reach
    the national/international level.  I am open to suggestions for
    the type of organization we should have there.  However, any
    positions at those levels will be unpaid, volunteer positions.
    LCRNET will not hold conventions in fancy hotels, nor squander
    money.  There will be no "dues" to be in LCRNET, or any
    organization connected with LCRNET.  There will be no "poll tax"
    to vote on any issue facing LCRNET.  We do reserve the right to
    ask for voluntary contributions should that become necessary,
    but the word VOLUNTARY is emphasized... no coercion or pressure
    shall be put on anyone to "contribute", and no disparaging
    remarks shall be made about anyone because they did not
    contribute.

    In any vote held in LCRNET, the principle of "one person, one
    vote" shall be strictly adhered to.  That means that each sysop
    listed in the LCRNET nodelist gets one vote, regardless of the
    number of systems he may sysop.


    THE NODELIST

    The LCRNET nodelist will NOT be used as a political tool.  NO
    ONE shall be dropped from the LCRNET nodelist unless their node
    goes offline or is consistantly unreachable during the Fidonet
    Zone Mail Hour (which LCRNET nodes will be expected to observe
    until or unless we adopt a different mail hour).  A node shall
    NOT be dropped from the nodelist because of a personality
    conflict with someone else, however they may be dropped for
    consistant and pervasive violations of the rules in this
    document.  What this means is that unless somebody is such a
    blatent and obvious jerk that almost everybody in the net hates
    his guts, he will not be dropped from the nodelist.  Net hosts
    should be aware that anyone dropped from their net is perfectly
    free to apply to be included in another net.

    Conversely, however, since nets are not strictly geographically
    based, there will be no "independent" nodes in LCRNET.  A node
    that might be "independent" in another net should try to join a
    net in a major city (in the United States it would be preferable
    to join one based in a PC Pursuitable city).  This also gives us
    some control over "twit" sysops because if a sysop gains a
    really bad reputation, chances are that no net host will take
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    him into his or her net (for very long, anyway).  Of course, the
    "twit" sysop can always start his own net, but a net by
    definition consists of MORE THAN ONE node (controlled by more
    than one sysop).

    Once again, if a net host takes an action that will cost someone
    else money (for example, dropping someone from a local net, thus
    forcing them to call long distance to pick up mail from another
    net) they should have a VERY good reason for doing so.

    NODELIST FLAGS

    We intend to expand the number of valid nodelist flags from
    those allowed in Fidonet, and are open to suggestions.  However,
    LCRNET will allow a specific new flag, as follows:

    AI:net[/node][,net[/node],net[/node]...]

    The net/node(s) listed are alternate nodes to which inbound mail
    can be sent.  These are nodes which either the sysop or his net
    host polls regularly.  LCRNET net hosts located in the United
    States but not in a PC Pursuit inbound area will be expected to
    use this flag to indicate at least the PC Pursuitable node on
    which they "home" for netmail traffic.  If only a single number
    is listed after the AI: designator, it will be taken as a net
    number and netmail can be directed to the net host of that net
    (net/0).  For example:

    AI:1234    is equivalent to    AI:1234/0

    Let's take a typical situation.  Node 1777/80 and his net host,
    1777/0 are in a non-PC Pursuitable city and in addition, 1777/0
    is not a PC Pursuit user.  However, he regularly picks up echoes
    from 1876/0, who IS a PC Pursuit user and who regularly calls
    1323/5 in a PC Pursuitable city to pick up echoes.  Here's how
    the AI: field might read for each of these nodes:

    1777/80 - AI:1876,1323/5  -  In this case, 1777/80 can receive
    netmail sent to 1777/0 (his normal inbound host, which is
    assumed), 1876/0, 1323/5, or 1323/0 (the net host for 1323/5).

    1777/0 - Same as for 1777/80, since he can receive from the same
    nodes.

    1876/0 - AI:1323/5 - In this case, 1876/0 would list the PC
    Pursuitable node that he polls regularly.  Mail for him could be
    sent to 1323/5 or 1323/0 (the net host for 1323/0).

    1323/5 would not be required to use an AI: in the nodelist,
    since he's in a PC Pursuitable city.

    Now let's see how the actual routing of incoming netmail would
    be handled.  Let's assume a "worst case" situation, where a
    piece of netmail intended for 1777/80 is sent to 1323/0.

    1323/0 would have a statement in its routing control file
    FidoNews 5-29                Page 10                  18 Jul 1988


    similar to this:
    ArcCM 1323/5 1876/ALL 1777/ALL
    This would route the mail for net 1777 to 1323/5.

    1323/5 would have a statement in its routing control file like
    this:
    ArcHold 1876/0 1876/ALL 1777/ALL
    This would route the mail for net 1777 to 1876/0.

    1876/0 would have a statement like this:
    ArcHold 1777/0 1777/ALL
    This would send the mail for net 1777 to the Net 1777 host,
    where it would finally get set to 1777/80.

    Note that in this case, the mail could pass through several
    systems before reaching its destination.  This is why all net
    hosts at least are encouraged to "home" directly on PC
    Pursuitable cities whenever this can be done without incurring
    additional expense.

    In Fidonet, speed of mail delivery is considered of primary
    importance, regardless of the expense.  In LCRNET, cost is the
    driving factor.  This is one major difference between the two
    nets.  Of course, there is nothing to prevent an LCRNET sysop
    from directly crashing messages to another system without
    routing them, so really important messages can always be sent
    immediately, albeit at higher cost.

    MODEM TYPE FLAGS

    The use of the following modem type flags will be specifically
    allowed in the nodelist comment field:

    HAY       Hayes V series
    HST       USRobotics HST
    MAX       Microcom AX/9624c
    PEP       Telebit Trailblazer
    MNP       MNP error correction protocol available

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    CONTINUOUS MAIL

    In LCRNET, the ability to send and receive continuous mail shall
    be considered the norm (except where hours of operation are
    given).  Software that does NOT have this ability shall be so
    indicated by the special nodelist flag NC (for Non-Continuous).
    As an interim measure, the CM: flag may be used by all systems
    that can receive mail continuously (24 hours a day) in order to
    be compatible with existing nodelist processors.  It is hoped
    that new software can be written for use with LCRNET that will
    recognize and properly process the new nodelist flags.


    STATEMENT ON "POINTS" AND THEIR PURPOSE

    FidoNews 5-29                Page 11                  18 Jul 1988


    In LCRNET, a "point" is a regular BBS user who calls into a BBS
    using software that will pick up the echoes he wishes to read,
    and allows him to read and reply to those echoes offline.  The
    main difference in LCRNET Is that here it is quite acceptable
    for the BBS operator to make the outgoing call to the "point" on
    a prearranged schedule, if by doing so a lower cost to the user
    can be achieved.  The BBS operator may recover any long distance
    costs incurred in doing this from the "point" user.

    BBS operators are never "points".  If a BBS operator is unable
    or unwilling to observe the Zone Mail Hour but would otherwise
    qualify to be in the nodelist, he or she should be listed as a
    private, unlisted node.  No one who is running compatible
    software shall be denied listing in the LCRNET nodelist just
    because they are running a private node that is not available to
    the general public.


    INTERCONNECTIONS WITH OTHER NETS

    The main purpose of LCRNET is to encourage communications at the
    lowest possible cost.  Therefore, interconnections with other
    nets shall be encouraged.  However, wherever possible these
    shall take place through "gateway" systems wherever echomail is
    involved (except for local or private conferences circulated to
    a very small or tightly controlled group of nodes).  There are
    two reasons for this:  One is to prevent "dupe" messages from
    flowing from one system into another.  If all messages between
    the two nets pass through a single "gateway" system, then the
    dupe killer at that system should prevent any duplicate messages
    from entering the other net.  The other reason is that should
    the quality of the conference begin to deteriorate on the other
    net to the point where messages coming from that net
    consistantly violate LCRNET rules, or are mostly irrelevant to
    the topic of discussion, the link can be easily cut (although
    this is something that would NOT be done suddenly and without
    warning).

    It is realized that in the initial stages of setting up LCRNET,
    most sysops will continue to get echo conferences through the
    same Fidonet feeds that they always have.  In keeping with the
    spirit of LCRNET, no sysop will be forced to drop any
    independent feed of an echo that he is getting from Fidonet or
    any other net.  He MAY be asked, however, not to feed this echo
    to other LCRNET nodes, particularly where by doing so "dupe"
    messages are being created.  As always, cost will be the
    motivating factor in deciding how echoes are distributed.


    MESSAGE CONTENT (FLAMES, ETC.)

    Most of the restrictions on message content have already been
    covered.  However, there are certain people who can't seem to
    hold a discussion without resorting to FLAMES, personal attacks,
    and so on.  We would prefer these people NOT attemt to join
    LCRNET, because we want to have a friendly, happy and sharing
    FidoNews 5-29                Page 12                  18 Jul 1988


    net.  If you are the type of Sysop who has been embarrassed to
    let your family read the echomail areas on your BBS because of
    some of the childish attitudes displayed there, you will
    probably be welcome in LCRNET.

    Because nets are not geographically restricted, and there are no
    regional coordinators of any kind, much of the necessity for
    FLAMES should be eliminated.  If you have a problem with the Net
    host, join another net, or form your own.  If you have a problem
    with the national leadership, tough toenails... there are other
    nets around.  In LCRNET we want to give everyone choices so that
    if you find an individual particular abrasive, you can simply
    ignore him (which will probably infuriate him more than flaming
    at him anyway... such individuals usually crave attention, even
    if it's negative).  There are no monopolies in LCRNET.  Most of
    the power in LCRNET will rest with the net hosts.  It's sort of
    like choosing a hamburger joint for lunch... if you find the
    people are consistantly rude in one, you find another.  If the
    other happens to be ten blocks farther away and charges 10 cents
    more per burger, then you have to decide which is more
    objectionable to you.  What you don't do is stand outside of one
    or the other and yell and scream and stomp and call the manager
    names... that will get you nowhere fast... about as far as
    FLAMES in LCRNET will get you.

    We want LCRNET to be a nice, discussion oriented net, where
    common courtesy and politeness are expected and practiced.

    PRIVATE MESSAGES

    The official position of LCRNET will be that LCRNET does *NOT*
    support the transmission of "private" or "confidential" mail.
    Mail may be intercepted at any point along its path and read by
    persons other than the intended recipient.  LCRNET should not be
    used to transmit messages of a private or confidential nature.


    TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCES

    We would like for LCRNET to be the network of choice for
    innovators... those who don't feel constrained by the
    established norms in software and hardware, for example.  Of
    course, if you are designing software for use in the net, you
    should attempt to make it as compatible as possible with
    existing software... after all, it wouldn't do to design a
    program to toss echomail packets that no other program can read!
    But it's also okay to make a new program that's "downward
    compatible" with existing programs.

    We'd also like to encourage the use of means of communications
    other than standard telephone lines, especially those means that
    can lower the cost of communications.  We're waiting for the day
    that all the echomail hubs can stick up a $100 Ku-band satellite
    dish and simutaneously receive the "4 A.M.  National Echomail
    Feed" every morning.  In the meantime, experiments with such
    items as radio modems, microwave or infrared transmission,
    FidoNews 5-29                Page 13                  18 Jul 1988


    direct tie-ins to packet networks, moon bounce, or anything else
    folks might want to try are encouraged in LCRNET.  You will not
    find a "Technical Standards Committee" here telling you that
    "you can't do that because it will obsolete the piece of
    software I wrote three years ago."  Again, this does not imply
    that you should be TRYING to "break" existing software, but we
    certainly are open to whatever you may be doing... particularly
    if it will wind up saving money for sysops.


    WANT TO JOIN US?

    If you think you'd be interested in being part of LCRNET, please
    send Netmail to Jack Decker at 154/8.  Send flames to NUL.  I
    know some of you detest the formation of new nets, and frankly,
    I couldn't care less.  Fidonet long ago stopped being responsive
    to the needs of the "average sysop", and recently seems to have
    become a haven for petty self-appointed demagogues.  We want to
    provide an alternative to that sort of nonsense.

    If enough interest is expressed, we will form this net and issue
    a nodelist.  If you'd like to be a net host in this net, please
    so indicate and also indicate your choice for a net number
    (remember that it must be a four digit number that begins with
    your country's telephone country code).

    Constructive suggestions and criticisms (other than "don't do
    this"... if there's enough interest we will, if there's not, we
    won't) will be welcome and will be considered!  And if anyone
    with writing skills would care to polish this document into a
    basic LCRNET policy document, it would be very much appreciated.
    Your input is welcomed.  If you feel that we should go ahead
    with this, then at this point I especially need input on what
    sort of national leadership we should have.  My own preference
    is for a rather loose, informal organization at the top that
    would perhaps only be responsible for getting out the nodelist
    and mediating any disputes in regard to LCRNET rules, but I'm
    certainly very open to other suggestions!

    We have started an echo called LCRNET (naturally) which is
    hubbed off of Fidonet node 154/7 (a PC Pursuitable node) for
    further discussion.  This echo is is just starting and if you
    are interested in seeing this proposal inplemented and would
    like to be part of such an echo, please send netmail.

    One other point... I can almost bet that once this proposal hits
    the wires, somebody's going to accuse me of trying to start my
    own little fiefdom.  Well, I'm not going to spend a lot of time
    debating with such people, I will just simply say that it isn't
    true, but you can believe it if you want to.  You can also
    believe the earth is flat if you want to.  However, I do *not*
    see myself in a leadership position in LCRNET... there are many
    others who have much better organizational talents that could
    probably do a much better job of running such an organization
    (to whatever extent that it needs anyone to "run" it at all).  I
    have been around Fidonet long enough to realize that there's no
    FidoNews 5-29                Page 14                  18 Jul 1988


    way I'm going to make this proposal without getting a few
    personal attacks, but I would much rather see the debate center
    on the actual proposal itself.  And if anyone in Fidonet or any
    other net would care to "borrow" any ideas from this document,
    by all means please feel free to do so.  If all this document
    accomplishes is to give someone in another net some ideas for
    their net, then it will have served a useful purpose.

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    FidoNews 5-29                Page 15                  18 Jul 1988


                    Toward a Virus Fee FidoNet
                                by
                      Bob Hartman 1:132/101.1

         In the  interest of  helping people make sure that the
    programs which  they use are free from viruses, I have made
    the following  list.   This list  is the  output from PKARC
    version 3.6 on various archives that I KNOW are virus free.
    I know  this because  I was  the person  that  created  the
    archives, and  compiled the  original programs within them.
    The command used to create the list was:

         PKARC V archive > output

         I then  edited the  output to  fit  into  FidoNews  by
    deleting some  of the information which is unimporant (like
    the method  of archiving).  If you do the same command, and
    compare to  the output  below, be wary of any program which
    does not  match the  numbers below  EXACTLY!   I would even
    appreciate being warned of any such mismatches.

         A file  containing this article, including any updates
    will always  be requestable  from 1:132/101 under the magic
    filename "NO_VIRUS.CRC".

    Searching Archive: BEXE_150.ARC

    Filename    Length   Size   Ratio    Date      Time    CRC
    --------    ------  ------  -----    ----      ----    ---
    BINKLEY.CFG   7747    3860   51%   05-05-88  22:13:16  33D6
    BOB.WHY      13886    6821   51%   05-07-88  17:19:22  F71D
    BT.EXE      107421   79965   26%   05-07-88  04:07:00  8D69
    BTCTL.EXE    14339   11476   20%   05-07-88  04:07:16  AB35
    BT_REF.DOC   81466   32829   60%   05-06-88  18:19:36  90A2
    BT_USER.DOC  81628   34219   59%   05-06-88  18:33:14  30E8
    RELEASE.DOC   5787    2712   54%   05-06-88  18:36:20  82BB
    VINCE.WHY     9828    4869   51%   05-07-88  16:36:06  74A5
    ----        ------  ------  -----
    0008        322102  176751   46%


    Searching Archive: CAL_110.ARC

    Filename    Length   Size   Ratio    Date      Time    CRC
    --------    ------  ------  -----    ----      ----    ---
    CALENDAR.C   12189    5733   53%   05-09-88  14:24:46  48B4
    CALENDAR.CFG   519     344   34%   05-09-88  14:19:34  9C82
    CALENDAR.DOC   850     612   28%   05-09-88  14:27:28  2B47
    CALENDAR.EXE 17115   13592   21%   05-09-88  14:25:04  6CB2
    ----        ------  ------  -----
    0004         30673   20281   34%


    Searching Archive: CONFMAIL.ARC

    Filename    Length   Size   Ratio    Date      Time    CRC
    FidoNews 5-29                Page 16                  18 Jul 1988


    --------    ------  ------  -----    ----      ----    ---
    CONFMAIL.DOC 88989   34754   61%   12-12-87  14:19:50  255D
    CONFMAIL.EXE 80569   57433   29%   12-31-87  15:20:52  0D2D
    READ.ME       1009     688   32%   12-12-87  14:26:02  8708
    ----        ------  ------  -----
    0003        170567   92875   46%


    Searching Archive: PLST_110.ARC


    Filename    Length   Size   Ratio    Date      Time    CRC
    --------    ------  ------  -----    ----      ----    ---
    PARSELST.CFG  5921    2843   52%   05-09-88  15:24:08  02D5
    PARSELST.DOC 35772   13316   63%   05-15-88  16:40:56  9831
    PARSELST.EXE 49437   37428   25%   05-16-88  03:04:38  377E
    READ.ME       1231     681   45%   05-10-88  23:05:26  142F
    ----        ------  ------  -----
    0004         92361   54268   42%


    Searching Archive: REMAPPER.ARC

    Filename    Length   Size   Ratio    Date      Time    CRC
    --------    ------  ------  -----    ----      ----    ---
    REMAPPER.DOC  7161    3485   52%   11-23-87  13:17:14  F07D
    REMAPPER.EXE 21741   17245   21%   12-12-87  14:35:04  8D46
    ----        ------  ------  -----
    0002         28902   20730   29%


    Searching Archive: RENUM40.ARC

    Filename    Length   Size   Ratio    Date      Time    CRC
    --------    ------  ------  -----    ----      ----    ---
    RENUM.DOC     3302    1779   47%   03-23-88  03:07:46  0CDA
    RENUM.EXE    17917   14405   20%   03-23-88  03:08:26  DF4D
    RENUM.NEW     1184     671   44%   03-23-88  03:14:02  3AED
    ----        ------  ------  -----
    0003         22403   16855   25%


    Searching Archive: REPLYLNK.ARC

    Filename    Length   Size   Ratio    Date      Time    CRC
    --------    ------  ------  -----    ----      ----    ---
    REPLYLNK.DOC  2344    1350   43%   03-23-88  03:41:24  0F78
    REPLYLNK.EXE 19181   15210   21%   03-23-88  03:41:58  1FEF
    ----        ------  ------  -----
    0002         21525   16560   24%

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    FidoNews 5-29                Page 17                  18 Jul 1988


    Scott Samet
    1:135/990

                          XlaxNode Version 2.10

    XlaxNode Version 2.10 is now available for general release.

    XlaxNode is a high performance replacement for a number of
    popular nodelist utilities.  The raw nodelist is compiled
    directly to Opus 1.0x, Opus 1.1x, Binkley, QuickBBS and/or Seadog
    format in a single step.  No intermediate files or programs are
    needed.  All sorts are internal.

    Xlax_210.Arc (151K) is available for file request from the
    following nodes.  Unless otherwise noted, they are 2400 baud and
    accept file requests from one hour after NMH to one hour before
    NMH.  All are Pursuitable via D/FLMIA.

          135/4
          135/8       HST-9600 Baud
          135/10
          135/11      Requests honored 0700-0100 EDT; HST-9600 Baud
          135/27      1200 only
          135/35      1200 only
          135/41

    XlaxNode emulates almost all of the functions of XlatList,
    OpusNode, NLComp, PCPFix, PCPExch, PCPExch2, QNode and ParseLst.
    XlaxNode also adds features not found in any of these programs.
    Processing is typically two to five times faster than these
    programs.

    Users of previous versions will find a number of improvements.
    Version 2.10 is smaller and, for many options, faster.  A number
    of bugs have been fixed.  QuickBBS and Binkley NodeList.Ext
    support has been added.  One NodeList.Idx file can be shared by
    all three data files.  Any or all of the output files can be
    created in a single pass.

    The nodelists can be tailored, selecting the zones and nets
    desired.  Output can range from a single net to the entire
    nodelist.

    Support for multi-zone nodelists has been enhanced.  The Opus
    1.1x message and call cost fields are supported.

    PC Pursuit processing can be enabled or disabled for individual
    output files.  2400 baud script support has been improved.

    The companion program, XlaxDiff, included in the archive, applies
    the weekly NodeDiff update file.

    The license permits a thirty day trial period, after which a $10
    per node fee is required.
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    FidoNews 5-29                Page 18                  18 Jul 1988


    =================================================================
                                 NOTICES
    =================================================================

                         The Interrupt Stack


    25 Aug 1988
       Start  of the  Fifth  International  FidoNet Conference, to be
       held  at  the Drawbridge Inn  in Cincinnati, OH.  Contact  Tim
       Sullivan at 108/62 for more information. This is FidoNet's big
       annual get-together, and is your chance to meet all the people
       you've  been talking with  all this time.  We're hoping to see
       you there!

    24 Aug 1989
       Voyager 2 passes Neptune.

     5 Oct 1989
       20th Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus"

    If you have something which you would like to see on this
    calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------



       -> -> ->  FidoCon/Delta ticket giveaway ends soon!  <- <- <-

    One free round-trip ticket from Delta Airlines to anywhere Delta
    flies in the continental U.S. is about to be given away!

    You can have a chance to win this ticket by registering for
    FidoCon'88 in Cincinnati before the July 15th deadline!

    Your chance to fly Delta free depends upon you!  Just complete
    the registration form found in FidoNews, from your Net host or on
    1/88. If you mail your registration it should be postmarked no
    later than July 15th.  If you NetMail your registration it should
    arrive at 1/88 no later than July 15th.

    The winner will be announced at FidoCon.  See you there!

                        ----------======----------




    -----------------------------------------------------------------

                         Latest Software Versions

    BBS Systems            Node List              Other
    & Mailers   Version    Utilities   Version    Utilities   Version

    FidoNews 5-29                Page 19                  18 Jul 1988


    Dutchie        2.90*   EditNL         4.00*   ARC            5.22*
    Fido            12h    MakeNL         2.12*   ARCmail         1.1
    Opus          1.03b    Prune          1.40    ConfMail       3.31
    SEAdog         4.10    XlatList       2.86    EchoMail       1.31
    TBBS           2.0M    XlaxNode       2.10*   MGM             1.1
    BinkleyTerm    1.50    XlaxDiff       2.10*
    QuickBBS       2.01    ParseList      1.10

    * Recently changed

    Utility authors:  Please help  keep  this  list  up  to  date  by
    reporting  new  versions  to 1:1/1.  It is not our intent to list
    all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.

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           OFFICERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION

    Ken Kaplan       100/22   Chairman of the Board
    Don Daniels      107/210  President
    Mark Grennan     147/1    Vice President
    Dave Dodell      114/15   Vice President - Technical Coordinator
    David Garrett    103/501  Secretary
    Leonard Mednick  345/1    Treasurer



                        IFNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS

        DIVISION                               AT-LARGE

    10  Steve Jordan      102/2871        Don Daniels     107/210
    11  Bill Allbritten   11/301          Hal DuPrie      101/106
    12  Leonard Mednick   345/1           Mark Grennan    147/1
    13  Rick Siegel       107/27          Brad Hicks      100/523
    14  Ken Kaplan        100/22          Ted Polczyinski 154/5
    15  Jim Cannell       128/13          Kurt Reisler    109/74
    16  Vince Perriello   141/491         Robert Rudolph  261/628
    17  Rob Barker        138/34          Greg Small      148/122
    18  Christopher Baker 135/14          Bob Swift       140/24
    19  Vernon Six        19/0            Larry Wall      15/18
     2  Henk Wevers       2:500/1         Gee Wong        107/312

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    Rob Barker 138/34
    Chairman, Elections and Nominations Committee


                               RULES AND PROCEDURES

    The next two pages are your Official ballot for the Election of
    the IFNA Board of Directors.  The following are the few rules
    which must prevail in this election:

    1. You must send a legible copy of this ballot to the address
    listed on the ballot or cast your vote in person at the
    conference prior to the closing of the election Polls.  It must
    be signed and bear your current net/node number.

    2. You may vote for any person in your Division for the position
    of Divisional Director.  This vote is to be cast in the LEFT
    column of the ballot.

    3. You may vote for any six people for the position of Director
    at Large. These votes are to be cast in the RIGHT column of the
    ballot.

    4. Voting will continue until the end of the Conference
    registration on the 25th of August, 1988.  Ballots which are
    mailed must reach the address listed below prior to Wednesday,
    24 August 1988.  The results will be read during the opening of
    business meeting on the first day of the conference.

    5. Write-in votes will be accepted and are requested during this
    election.





                              IFNA Board Of Directors
                                       Ballot


    Candidate               Net/Node     Divisional    At-Large
                                            Vote         Vote
    ------------------      ---------    ----------    --------

    DIVISION 2:
       Henk Weavers            500/1         (1)

    DIVISION 10:
       Jim Bacon               103/507      _____        _____
       Courtney Harris         102/732      _____        _____
       Steve Jordan            102/2871     _____        _____

    DIVISION 12:
       Bill Bolton             711/403      _____        _____
       Leonard Mednick         345/1        _____        _____

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    DIVISION 14:
       Glen Jackson            100/517      _____        _____
       Ken Kaplan              100/22       _____        _____

    DIVISION 16:
       Vince Perriello         141/491       (1)

    DIVISION 18:
       Chris Baker             18/14         (1)

    ADDITIONAL AT-LARGE
       Steve Bonine            115/777                   _____
       Don Daniels             107/210                   _____
       Dave Melnik             107/233                   _____
       Robert Rudolph          261/628                   _____
       Greg Small              148/122                   _____
       ________________       _________                  _____
       ________________       _________                  _____
       ________________       _________                  _____


    (1)  This candidate has been elected to the office of Divisional
    Director with no further voting procedure necessary as per By
    Law #11.

    "The Nominations and Elections Committee shall delete the name
    of any nominee who mayt be ineligible for election and the name
    of any who may withdraw by written communications.  The
    remaining names shall be listed on a ballot, in alphabetical
    order.  IF THERE BE BUT ONE ELIGIBLE NOMINEE, THE NOMINATIONS
    AND ELECTION COMMITTEE SHALL DECLARE HIM ELECTED WITHOUT
    BALLOTING BY THE MEMBERSHIP. (Emphasis added. -rb) If there be
    more than one eligible nominee, then at least 45 days prior to
    the Annual Meeting the Secretary shall send by mail to every
    voting member, and publish in FidoNews, a ballot listing the
    candidates for director.  The ballot shall contain a copy of
    the current voting rules."




       Name ______________________________  Net/Node ___________

       Signature______________________________  Date ___________


    Please complete this and mail it to:

                  Rob Barker
                  IFNA Elections Committee
                  7406 - 27th Street West
                  Suite #7, Plaza West
                  Tacoma, Wa 98466

    or bring it with you when you come to the conference in August.

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                              Thank You

                              Rob Barker
                              Elections and Nominations Committee

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           Membership for the International FidoNet Association

    Membership in IFNA is open to any individual or organization that
    pays the annual membership fee.  IFNA serves the international
    FidoNet-compatible electronic mail community to increase
    worldwide communications.

    Name __________________________________  Date ___________________
    Address _________________________________________________________
    City ____________________________________________________________
    State ________________________________  Zip _____________________
    Country _________________________________________________________
    Home Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________
    Work Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________
    Is this a new application? _________  a renewal? ________________
    Are you a Sysop? _________  If so, for how long? ________________
    Your BBS Info:   (Non-Sysops enter info for your most-called BBS)
    Zone:Net/Node Number ____________________________________________
    BBS Name ________________________________________________________
    BBS Phone Number ________________________________________________
    Your Special Interests __________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    In what areas would you be willing to help in FidoNet? __________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    Are there any special resources that you could provide? _________
    _________________________________________________________________

              Regular Membership                     $25
              Lifetime Membership                    $250

        Send this form and a check or money order in US Funds to:
                  International FidoNet Association
                  c/o Leonard Mednick, CPA
                  700 Bishop Street, #1014
                  Honolulu, HI   96813    USA

    IFNA is a general not-for-profit organization.  Articles of
    Association and By-Laws were adopted by the membership in January
    1987.  The IFNA Echomail Conference has been established on
    FidoNet to assist the Board of Directors.  We welcome your input
    on this Conference.

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                    INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION
                                ORDER FORM

                               Publications

    The IFNA publications can be obtained by downloading from Fido
    1:1/10 or  other FidoNet compatible  systems, or by purchasing
    them directly from IFNA.  We ask that  all our  IFNA Committee
    Chairmen   provide  us   with  the  latest  versions  of  each
    publication, but we can make no written guarantees.

    Hardcopy prices as of October 1, 1986

       IFNA Fido BBS listing                       $15.00    _____
       IFNA Administrative Policy DOCs             $10.00    _____
       IFNA FidoNet Standards Committee DOCs       $10.00    _____

                                                 SUBTOTAL    _____

                     IFNA Member ONLY Special Offers

       System Enhancement Associates SEAdog        $60.00    _____
       SEAdog price as of March 1, 1987
       ONLY 1 copy SEAdog per IFNA Member

       Fido Software's Fido/FidoNet               $100.00    _____
       Fido/FidoNet price as of November 1, 1987
       ONLY 1 copy Fido/FidoNet per IFNA Member

       International orders include $10.00 for
              surface shipping or $20.00 for air shipping    _____

                                                 SUBTOTAL    _____

                   HI. Residents add 4.0 % Sales tax         _____

                                                 TOTAL       _____

       SEND CHECK OR MONEY ORDER IN US FUNDS:
       International FidoNet Association
       c/o Leonard Mednick, MBA, CPA
       700 Bishop Street, #1014
       Honolulu, HI.  96813-4112
       USA

    Name________________________________
    Zone:Net/Node____:____/____
    Company_____________________________
    Address_____________________________
    City____________________  State____________  Zip_____
    Voice Phone_________________________

    Signature___________________________

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