Volume 5, Number 14                                  4 April 1988
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    Editor in Chief                                       Dale Lovell
    Editor Emeritus:                                   Thom Henderson
    Chief Procrastinator Emeritus:                       Tom Jennings
    Contributing Editors:                                   Al Arango

    FidoNews  is  published  weekly  by  the  International   FidoNet
    Association  as  its  official newsletter.  You are encouraged to
    submit articles for publication in FidoNews.  Article  submission
    standards  are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC,  available from
    node 1:1/1.

    Copyright 1988 by  the  International  FidoNet  Association.  All
    rights  reserved.  Duplication  and/or distribution permitted for
    noncommercial purposes only.  For  use  in  other  circumstances,
    please contact IFNA at (314) 576-4067. IFNA may also be contacted
    at PO Box 41143, St. Louis, MO 63141.

    The  contents  of  the  articles  contained  here  are  not   our
    responsibility,   nor   do   we   necessarily  agree  with  them.
    Everything here is  subject  to  debate.  We  publish  EVERYTHING
    received.



                            Table of Contents

    1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
       An Editor's Ramblings  ....................................  1
    2. ARTICLES  .................................................  3
       CD-ROM When two 66 MEG HD's just aren't eoungh  ...........  3
       Censuring FidoNews?????  ..................................  4
       FidoNet: Use in Education  ................................  8
       Local EchoList for Users  .................................  9
       What the heck is going on here?????  ...................... 11
    3. COLUMNS  .................................................. 13
       The 10 Point Gothic Column  ............................... 13
       Let's YACK about Electronic Voting  ....................... 15
    4. WANTED  ................................................... 17
       Programmer Wanted  ........................................ 17
    5. NOTICES  .................................................. 18
       The Interrupt Stack  ...................................... 18
       Latest Software Versions  ................................. 18
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                                EDITORIAL
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                          An Editor's Ramblings

         Well, things  didn't go  exactly as  planned. I had hoped to
    gather enough articles for an "April Fools" edition  of FidoNews.
    Unfortunately, there  just wasn't the time to make it happen this
    year. Maybe next year everything will work out.  In the meantime,
    if  you'd  like  to  start  writing an article for an April Fools
    edition (or any other holiday for that matter) feel free  to send
    it in  early. Just remember to leave me a message telling me when
    it should be published as I don't have the time to go  over every
    article. Most  weeks, I'm  lucky if I can find the time to browse
    the articles for major problems in content. I do find the time to
    respond to most of the mail I receive, so if you have an idea for
    an article drop me a line  and I'd  be happy  to discuss  it with
    you.

         As I write this, yet another long group of long time members
    of FidoNet are about to leave us. I wish them well and  hope they
    succeed  in  their  efforts.  While I can't sanction what they're
    doing, I can understand many of their reasons. One of the biggest
    problems in FidoNet is how much we seem to have lost. The days of
    mutual trust and respect seem to have vanished.  The case  of the
    twit sysop  in the policy documents seems to have been forgotten,
    or perhaps  it  just  needs  to  be  amended.  I  have  the great
    pleasure to be in a closely knit net (157). I have met and talked
    with many of the local FidoNet sysops (and a good  number of non-
    FidoNet  sysops)  and  I  believe  we  all  know  each other to a
    degree. I can always to find  something to  admire and/or respect
    in each  of these  fine individuals who dedicate at least part of
    themselves to the telecommunications community.

         Some of this is due to the face-to-face  meetings with these
    people. While our electronic medium has many advantages, there is
    nothing that can help establish  respect  for  these  peers  as a
    normal conversation. This makes "get togethers" like FidoCon very
    important. Over the next few months, you're going to see a lot of
    information on  the upcoming FidoCon in Cincinnati, and hope that
    many of you will find time  in  your  busy  schedules  (and tight
    budgets in  my case  at least)  for this  event. Sometimes when I
    read the messages that come across the net,  I can  almost follow
    the thoughts  and see the expressions on those who I have come to
    know. This only helps us to communicate better,  which is  one of
    the  things  we're  after...right?  I  also  hope that all if our
    FidoNet family will attend, even those who may  have left  us for
    one reason  or another.  Perhaps at  FidoCon we can even find the
    time to help heal the wounds that have caused the separations.

         I think all of us  would  agree  that  FidoNet  is spreading
    almost out  of control.  I firmly believe this is a good thing. I
    can not say that the results  we're seeing  are good  however. In
    this growth  we should  be striving to improve communications and
    understanding. Instead all I see  is  people  who  seem convinced
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    that their  way is  the one  true way.  We should all try to be a
    little more understanding of  our fellow  sysops (and  users). We
    need to  learn how  to be  more tolerant  of each others views. A
    disagreement is not a reason to start a "blood feud." People like
    the  "Neuter-Net"  crowd  does  nothing for the net. Regional and
    network coordinators should be trying to remove people  like this
    from FidoNet. I know of no decent and upstanding sysop that would
    tolerate behavior like that  from his  users, and  likewise I can
    find no place for people like that in FidoNet.

         Being  a  FidoNet  sysop  carries  a responsibility and duty
    towards the net. I know those aren't exactly popular words today,
    but we  need to  remember them.  Each sysop is responsible to the
    net as a whole, and also has a  duty to  work with  it instead of
    against  it.  I'm  not  talking  about "political" topics here, I
    talking about COMMUNICATING and  RATIONALLY DISCUSSING  topics. I
    myself have  grown tired of the flaming and the personal attacks,
    for they have NO place in  FidoNet.  I  have  no  problem  with a
    friendly argument, just the almost violent fights that seem to be
    breaking out in many of the echomail conferences.

    Oh well.... This is getting me  depressed. I  really hate getting
    up  on  a  soapbox  and  preaching.  But  I  refuse to sit in the
    sidelines and watch FidoNet  get torn  apart by  what's going on.
    While  I  know  we  can  never  return to the wonderful spirit of
    cooperation that once existed, I firmly believe that we should be
    able to  discuss our  disagreements on a civil level. As I warned
    in one of my old columns, I shoulda  been a  preacher. Editorials
    like this  convince me I could have written one hell of a sermon.
    Hmmmm.... There's an  idea  in  there  somewhere,  maybe  it will
    mature in the following weeks. Until later...

    Your Editor,
    Dale Lovell
    1:1/1 (1:157/504)
    216/642-1034 (data)

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    151/2
    Ben Mann

                 684 MEG On-Line

     After reading with great interest the last two issues
    of Fido News. And reading many articles on the new CD-ROM
    technology I decided that two 66 MEG HD's just weren't
    enough.

     After all our mainframe has 200 MEG per drive and my ALR
    '386 was way behind at 132 MEG HD. So I called Compact Disk
    Products, Inc., 217 East 85th. Street, New York, New York,
    10028, 1-121-996-6999. A nice sounding gentleman answered
    the phone and informed me they had both an Hitachi
    CDR-1503S and the PC-SIG CD disk in stock.

     I said sent it "AIR". The next day a nice new Hitachi
    CDR-1503S was mine.

     The hook up was stright foward despite the warning about
    use with different BBS systems. A nicely done INSTALL
    program comes with the PC-SIG CD-ROM disk and in just under
    1/2 hour I had the new toy installed.

     Re-boot and WOW. DIR the beast and there's over 111,000,000
    FREE. That's over 440 MEG of files on my new drive E:.

     I had to write a program to convert the .UPP files
    (list of files on each disk) to a TBBS readable format.
    Change a few menu's. And there I had it. The FULL PC-SIG
    library on-line.

     Now the mainframe people come back and say "552 MEG on
    T H A T ???". A short course on the DIR command. Many page
    fulls of files scroll by and away they go mumbling
    something about learning "C".

     If you would like to have a look, call Alert Data TBBS
    at 1-919-274-7000. It's in Greensboro, NC. It used to be
    five lines no waiting. Now days it's eight line, some
    waiting.

    By the way. You can daisy chain up to four per system.
    That's 2.2 GEGbyte. And if you have a hard time selling
    your better half on the idea, it plays audio CD's. Just
    tell them it's a computerized CD player. The sound is
    GREAT.


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    Jerry Hindle
    1:18/6


         Well this is the 3rd article I have written tonite and I
    hope it is the last. This is on the subject of "editing FidoNews"
    and is directed at BOTH sides of this debate.

         In this corner weighing in at XXX lbs we have FidoNews,
    publication of FidoNet, under the auspices of IFNA, by and for
    the FidoNet sysop, user, groupie. This prestigious publication,
    started by Tom Jennings, has grown from 2 pages a month to over
    30 pages some weeks. It has published the controversial, the
    sublime, the ridiculous, and even some material the national
    scandal mags would not touch with long poles. This publication
    has published (for lack of a better word) some articles that
    would light fires under a lot of us and on the other hand has
    been (sometimes) the ONLY source of information to the "grunt"
    sysops of the net. The management has decided to institute an
    editorial policy of not publishing obviously libelous or
    deceitful articles (a good point), and also offensive articles.
    This I must disagree with. While I may not "like" what Fnews
    publishes I can always "turn the page". This is akin to me saying
    that if I do not like the constitution, that it may not be
    printed because I "might" read it and be offended. If I read it
    and am offended, then I can only say it is my own fault for
    reading it. I am not forced to read FidoNews (nor any other
    publication for that matter) nor am I bound to believe what is
    written therein.

         In the other corner we have the management, weighing in at
    XXX lbs. These prestigious gentlemen say they are "looking out
    for us" by not publishing "offensive articles". Why? If I say in
    this article that the moon is a devil worship symbol, does that
    make it true? NO. If I say that BinkleyTerm is not a mailer
    program, does that make it true, NOT LIKELY (it is an excellent
    mailer by the way guys). But what it does do ( and it's only
    faault) is "offend" someone. Hey, tough luck folks, if it bothers
    ya, don't read it. I have always wondered how these book burners
    found "exact quotes" from offensive books. What did they do, sit
    and read it, yup every single word. Yet they chose AFTER the
    fact that they read it to try to stop me from even having the
    opportunity to judge for myself whether it offends ME by having
    the book, mag, article removed from print. If they can read it
    why can't I?

         To the management of FidoNews (whomever that may be) I say
    this.....publish EVERYTHING with only 2 exceptions and those
    being articles with OBVIOUS criminal intent of any kind and
    articles containing OBVIOUS LIES. Beyond that you should not
    concern yourself with offensive as the law does not cover
    offensive except in pornography mags aand even then they say that
    it is offensive only if sent to someone without them asking for
    it. We ask for FidoNews by the simple fact that we call and
    download it (ask your system to send it to us) which the courts
    say means the contents are not offensive to us.
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         Besides astronomy has always fasinated me to no end.......

    Jerry Hindle



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    Jerry Hindle
    1:18/6 (aka 7:48/0)

         I have been reading this weeks Fnews (512) and have been
    giving connsiderable thought to the DAK controversy and IFNA's
    handling of that situation. I have come to the following
    conclusions on this matter:

        1)    While I do believe that IFNA tried to handle this
    matter to the best of their limited ability I find that thru no
    fault of their own they have been WHITEWASHED by DAK. I feel that
    DAK (as big a company as they are) was well aware that their
    "deal with one sysop" (not named by the way), was in no way,
    shape or form a true attempt to promote BBSing. They have lawyers
    there who fully know the meaning of the word COPYRIGHT. If they
    truely believed for even a split instant that permission from one
    sysop was in fact legal they are in for serious trouble down the
    road. Just suppose for an instant that I owned a copyright on
    Lotus 123 <tm> (which I DO NOT), and that someone gave them
    permission to use the opening screen in their ads. Lotus would sue
    the pants off DAK forr un-authorized use of copyrighted material
    not to mention TradeMark infringement. DAK knew full well they
    were violating a copyright when they did what they did. Their
    only interest in the pamplet was to sell products to go along
    with it (as evidenced by their claim of 50,000 moddems sold) and
    as an after thought they decided to "donate" any profits to the
    American Cancer Society (a very worthy cause I must say). They
    did this only to "cover their A$$" as it were since they could
    always claim no profits were made (although they failed to
    menntion how much the production costs of said pamplet were) and
    thus they were legit. They got caught and proceeded to whitewash
    IFNA with promises of this and promises of that. They said they
    will provide IFNA with free copies of the pamplet to distribute,
    but what they failed to mention is that the cost of production of
    those pamplets will be taken out of the future donations to the
    cancer society. They failed to mention that their cost of
    production was already covered in the profit margin of the sales
    associated with the pamplet give-away. They failed to mention
    these little items for one reason. They are in this for one
    reason and one reason ONLY, to make MONEY. They could give two
    hoots about BBSing, they care even less about IFNA or FidoNet.
    The pamplet in question was made for the purpose of generating
    sales in a slumping sector (ie computer add-ons) and beyond that
    they are not interested.

         Now the way I see it, this is what "should have happened".

          DAK distributes the pamplet with FidoNets blessings, BUT
    they absorb ALL costs of production and distribution AND they
    give a set fee per copy to the American Cancer Society (like 5
    cents each or something). This will benefit everyone in that DAK
    business write-off for their taxes, the American Cancer Society
    will get even more money and IFNA will get the free copies and
    the free publicity promised by DAK. For the "sin" of failing to
    get official permission before-hand DAK should be required to
    turn over to the American Cancer Society ALL funds received from
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    the nominal charge they levied on the pamplet and do this in
    IFNA's name and not theirs. They eat the production costs on
    those too.

         Now I realize this may not seem like much to you but I must
    also make this point here. The article also states that should
    you NOT wish to have your node published in future copies of this
    pamplet that YOU ARE REQUIRED to send via SnailMail an official
    requesst to remove your node from the list. My question is this--
    ---WHY?????   I did not violate a copyright! I did not give DAK
    permission to use my name etc in any way shape or form and I
    certainly did not give IFNA permission to release ANY info on me
    to a corporaton to be used to "make a profit". The way I see it
    is that if they wanna use my name in their little scheme (which
    by the way they already have) then they owe ME the proceeds from
    that venture in the form of a "standard contract" from the Actors
    Guild. That contract I believe is now up to $200 + a DAY. Now
    that means that if they started this little venture even as late
    as a week ago from the date of this writing (3/24/88) that they
    owe me standard contract wages of $1400.00 and they owe the same
    to every sysop in FidoNet (less the one who gave them
    permission). I should not be required to "do" anything to stop
    them from using my name and node info. They should be required to
    obtain my "release in writing" which they have not done. I am
    awaiting their letter with amusement in that I will probably be
    long dead before it arrives. For thier info my mailing address
    is:

    Jerry Hindle
    P.O. Box 16223
    Memphis TN 38186-0223


    and my net/node number is at the top of this article. I am also
    awaiting the check for my past due "wages", wanna bet on whether
    I get that or not?

    DAK should have to EAT ALL PRODUCTION COSTS and donate all fees
    collected to the American Cancer Society. That is just one of the
    pitfalls off "doing business" when you do not get the proper
    perrmission IN ADVANCE!



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                      FidoNet: Use in Education

                         Chris Regan

                                     1:141/525.0

      This is part one of what will hopefully be a series of articles
      in  the  FidoNews.  This is a  request for all System Operators
      that use FidoNet interfaced  with  an  Educational Institution.
      (ie. College,  High School,  Trade School,  and/or  any who are
      interested in the use of FidoNet in Education)

      This is  a request for the people who fit the above criteria to
      send a NetMail message to the 1:141/525.0 and leave information
      containing the following:

                       1) School/University Name
                       2) Net/Node Number
                       3) Type of System
                       4) System Operator
                       5) Some information about the System
                          (intents, services, who uses?)
                       6) Address, Voice Telephone/Data Telephone
                       7) What software?

          You will be placed on a list and receive information on
          the use of Education and FidoNet,  A Monthly Newsletter
          and a listing of the systems involved and a  listing of
          software/hardware that are new on the market that  deal
          with education, and a review of Each (if available).

                 Send to :

                  The Cyber Foundation
                  c/o Christopher Regan
                  IFNA Node 1:141/525
                  SEAdog/OPUS


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    Stu Turk
    SoundingBoard 1:129/26

                           A local EchoList for Users

             If you live in a area that contains a large number of
    boards running EchoMail, you may want to get together with other
    Sysops and produce a list of public Echos available in your
    calling area.  You will find that your Users appreciate such a
    list.
             A while back I received a number of messages from Users
    asking if I knew where they could read certain Echo conferences
    or if I could pick up Echos that I already carried but to which
    the User asking did not have access.  It was pretty much like the
    messages you read from Sysops asking where they can pick up an
    Echo.  But in this case, the Users just wanted to read them.
             Although the Echos on my BBS are, for the most part,
    ones that interest me personally, the entire idea of Echos is for
    the BBS's Users to be able to participate.  And since no BBS can
    carry _all_ the available Echos, Users must call from board to
    board, looking for Echos on topics of interest to them - often
    not finding them because many boards don't make the list of Echos
    available to first-time callers.  Sysops, of course, can locate a
    source of Echo feeds through various lists supplied by the Echo
    Hubs.  This got me to thinking about a User list of Echos in my
    area.
             After discussing the project with the NC, I posted the
    idea in our Net's Sysop Echo asking Sysops located in Pittsburgh
    or its suburbs to netmail me a list of their public Echos.  Most
    Sysops sent me their MSGAREA.BBS file and the original list took
    a little sorting out due to several boards having slightly
    different area descriptions for the same Echo.
             PGHECHO contains a one-screen description of what
    EchoMail is and how it works.  Some general instruction such as
    "stick to the topic of the Echo area" is included.  Then the list
    is divided into sections for General Interest, Health and Public
    Service, Communications, Sight and Sound, and Computer Hardware
    and Software.  The last category is the largest, listing Echos
    from Amiga to VAX.  Under each category the Echos are listed by
    EchoName, followed by a description (EchoNames themselves are
    often misleading) and then under each Echo, a list of Pittsburgh
    area boards which carry it.  At the end is a listing of
    Pittsburgh BBSs that participate in EchoMail, the phone number
    and Sysop's name.
            After finishing a draft copy of the list, I sent it to
    several Sysops and received some suggestions and error
    corrections (that's when I found out there are different
    descriptions for the same Echos).  Once corrected, a final ASCII
    file was sent to George Stanislav, 129/39, a member of my Net who
    developed the OECC program for use with Opus's *.BBS files.
    George added the OEC command and color keywords then compiled it
    with his program.  We then distributed PGHECHO.OEC, the file with
    the keywords. It was intended to serve as an OECC sample and to
    permit Sysops who wished to do so to change the colors by simply
    using a word processor's "find/replace" feature and recompiling.
    PGHECHO.BBS is an OECC compiled file meant to be inserted into
    FidoNews 5-14                Page 10                   4 Apr 1988


    the BULLETIN.BBS Menu where it can be read in color on Opus
    BBS's.  PGHECHO.LST is a straight ASCII file for our TBBS members
    and Opus boards that did not use the Bulletin menu.
            User acceptance and reaction has been very positive from
    the beginning.  It ranged from "Hey, I found a neat file on [some
    other] BBS" type of message, to one User who downloaded the ASCII
    copy and said he was going to upload it to other boards.  I
    caught him and explained that it had been distributed by netmail
    already but that some Sysops had not yet had time to post it.  It
    appears to be second only to the list of local BBS's for files
    that are read by Users.   I've since passed control of the list
    to another PittNet Sysop, Joe Fossati, 129/50. He keeps the list
    up-to-date, adding new Echo listings as they become available and
    updating the names of the boards on which each echo is available
    as boards pick up or drop Echos.

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    FidoNews 5-14                Page 11                   4 Apr 1988


    Jerry Hindle
    1:18/6
    (901)353-4563
    2400bps


         Can someone tell me just what in the heck is going on here?
    I "thought" when I joined FidoNet, that I was joining a group of
    "hobbyists" in the telecommunications arena. I "thought" I was
    attempting to get to know great folks the likes of Tom Jennings,
    Thom Henderson, Ben Baker, Ken Shackleford, Ken Kaplan, Bob
    Hartman, and others simply too numerous to name. I "thought" I
    was going to "do my part" to further the field of personal
    computing thru telecommunications. I even "thought" that someday
    (given a lot of luck and a little assistance) that I might even
    join the ranks of the "widely-known" names in FidoNet. I find
    instead that I have joined a group of amatuer flamers, ner-do-
    wells, and "lawsuit larrys" (pun intended). I have even fallen
    prey to this generalization myself in that I "flame" from time to
    time, I speak out on what I think, and instead of "debating" the
    points of each sides views, I go completely out in left field and
    throw rocks at the other side. I am therefore making a resolution
    for myself right now that should I be confronted by flames, I
    will turn away. Should I be confronted by a sensible "debate" of
    the points of a disagreement, I will debate the points (and
    refrain from demeaning the debator) and will speak out on
    injustices where I find them. I grew tired of all the flaming and
    joined "AlterNet" where I am quite content to debate others and
    actually have managed to win a round or two there. All the
    arguing going on in FidoNet reminds me of a semi-famous Richard
    Pryor special I saw on cable wherein he was speaking of trying to
    talk rationally to another person and all they could do was hurl
    racial slurs back at him. As he put it he was no longer a man but
    he was instead a (such and such) (deleted the exact statement
    here for the sake of social politeness). I feel just about like
    that. Anyone calls me names (as have a few folks in the past) and
    I will simply stop talking to them (or typing as the case may
    be). This I feel would be excellent advice to everyone in FidoNet
    at this point in time. Debate the views, to be sure, but refrain
    from turning on the firepower and demeaning the debator. He, like
    you, as just another person, no better, no worse. He has his
    views and you have yours. It is not life threatening that you
    convince he he is wrong. You will not die if you modify your
    position a bit and see where he is "coming from" and you will
    certainly need less of the Rolaids <tm> and less of the aspirin.

    I guess the bottom line is this. Treat the other person the same
    way you expect to be treated. If you wanna be called names and
    told that you are lower the whale poop, then call him names and I
    can almost guarantee that you will get what you want. BUT if you
    want to try to understand what the other person is saying then
    LISTEN to him and then he will in turn LISTEN to you and if he
    doesn't then no amount of arguing or screaming or name calling is
    going to change their minds. Try this for 45 days....if someone
    calls you something or says something you feel offends you then
    ignore it completely. They do NOT sign your paycheck, they do NOT
    FidoNews 5-14                Page 12                   4 Apr 1988


    pay your bills and they certainly HAVE NOT yet "walked the mile
    in your moccasions". I bet that after 45 days you will have
    almost complete forgotten what was said.

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    =================================================================
                                 COLUMNS
    =================================================================

                    The 10 Point Gothic Column
                    --------------------------
                    The Hermit's Point of View
                  Greg Glynn - The Airlock Hermit
                 From 3:712/502 - Home of the Brave

        The Hermits Software Selections for This Week.
        - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    MYTHWARE.ARC  -  Bulletin  Board,  Comms   Program,   MailMasher,
           NodeList  Compiler,  Message  Router,  Database,
           Spreadsheet,   Word   Processor.     And    most
           incredible of all the size of the whole  program
           is only  408  bytes.Sounds  impossible?   You're
           right!

    LOCKIT.ARC -     412Kb program that locks  your  Keyboard,  Modem
           and  your  microwave  oven  up  for  no apparent
           reason. Breaks the ice at parties.

    FRISBEE.ARC  -   Great new  program  that  actually  picks   your
           computer  up  and throws it across the room.  An
           incredible piece of programming from the  people
           that     brought     you    "Chip-Heater"    and
           "Motherboard-Melter".

    LEECHOFF.ARC     Written by a sysop who  was   tired   of   users
           continually   downloading   without   uploading!
           Looks like a 67Kb R-Rated game but when they try
           to  download  the  final 2 bytes of info, cosmic
           rays come out of their Computer screens and  fry
           their  brains.  Won "Program of the year" at the
           NASA PC-Fair.  Be careful downloading  this  one
           for the first time.

    GALAXY.ARC  -    This great new  game  is  an intercosmic stellar
           war simulation.  Requires 12  ATs  connected  in
           series  and  4 gigabytes of internal memory just
           to load the Online Help  File.   Definately  NOT
           for the faint hearted!

    SYSOP.ARC   -    Real-Time  simulation   of   an   OPUS  Bulletin
           Board.  Try to run 30 EchoMail conferences, 200
           users,  50  different  file areas and a marriage
           simultaneously.  A genuine game of skill.

    FREEDISK.ARC -   Calculates the amount  of  free  space  left  on
           your hard disks. Requires 12MB of storage space.



           - Look for more exiting Software from the Hermit -
    FidoNews 5-14                Page 14                   4 Apr 1988


           - coming to a Bulletin Board near you! -

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    FidoNews 5-14                Page 15                   4 Apr 1988


                                   YACK
                     Yet Another Complicated Komment

                           by Steven K. Hoskin
                       ( STEVE HOSKIN at 1:128/31 )

                      Episode 5:  Electronic Voting



         I don't know about  y'all  out  there,  but  I want to see a
    democratic FidoNet.  You know,  where each FidoNode gets one vote
    on matters that concern the InterNational FidoNet.

         I thought originally that was  why the InterNational FidoNet
    Association went corporate;  so  there'd be rules to follow about
    collective voting.

         As it turned out, for  whatever  reasons,  IFNA did not turn
    out to be that voting tool, that  graceful central coordinator of
    the collective will of all  FidoNet  SysOps.  One of its problems
    is that members of FidoNet are  NOT  necessarily members of IFNA.
    Therefore, IFNA cannot do things  to  control FidoNet, as FidoNet
    SysOps don't get to vote on IFNA matters if they're not IFNA.

         To join IFNA costs $25.    You  should  NEVER have to pay to
    vote on  something  that  affects  the  way  you  run  your life.
    Period.

         I joined IFNA because I thought  it would help to insure the
    survival of FidoNet during hard times.  That may still hold true,
    and I will probably be an IFNA member for life, but one thing has
    become clear to me:  IFNA IS NOT ESTABLISHING NET-WIDE DEMOCRACY.

         Don Daniels, president of IFNA, has requested ideas for ways
    to establish a fully democratic  FidoNet,  BE IT VIA IFNA OR SOME
    OTHER MECHANISM.  Now there's a man who's interested in FidoNet.

         Well, here we go again, folks, YET ANOTHER idea:  Electronic
    Voting.

         Reserve a FidoNode, just  like  1:1/0 does the NodeList, and
    1:1/1 does the FidoNews,  to  handle  strictly Electronic Voting.
    For sake of example, I'll use  1:1/9.   I don't know if this Node
    number is being used for anything, but that's my example.

         For starters, if IFNA is to be retained (as many of us would
    STILL like to see), we must adopt  a  by-law (if nothing stronger
    can be used) that states in whatever legal wording is needed that
    IFNA as an organization MUST ABIDE BY FIDONET SYSOP VOTE RESULTS.
    And that IFNA MUST  ISSUE  BALLOTS  FOR  VOTE  ON  ANY RESOLUTION
    REQUESTED BY ANY FIDONET SYSOP.

         Then get 1/9 going.  An automated  system, disallowing human
    tampering, whereby ballots and  resolutions are sent to the node,
    1/9 sends the ballot via Network  mail AUTOMATICALLY to ALL Nodes
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    in the NodeList DIRECTLY, and waits for some predetermined amount
    of time for a vote result.

         If one month is  the  predetermined  time,  have 1/9 re-send
    ballots to any Node from  which  no  vote  has been received on a
    weekly basis until either a  vote  is  received or the time limit
    has been reached.

         As vote "ballot" messages come back to 1/9 via Network Mail,
    in   some   predetermined   format   such   that   a   relatively
    unsophisticated program can  determine  the vote, 1/9 tallies the
    vote, stores the message,  and  sends  a verification message via
    Network Mail DIRECTLY to the node that allegedly sent the ballot.

         Duplicate Node  votes  would  be  cancelled  and  the ballot
    reissued to the Node in  question  with  a note commenting on the
    duplication.

         A password  could  be  set  up  for  each  Node  and  placed
    somewhere  in  the  Ballot  return   vote  message.    Improperly
    passworded ballots would cause  1/9 to send a message DIRECTLY to
    that Node informing  him  or  her  that  a  password  failing had
    occurred.  A place for changing  of passwords could also be added
    to the ballot return message.

         This should eliminate "bogus"  node  voting, as the SysOp of
    the REAL Node could  then  be  aware  that  somebody is trying to
    break into his or her vote.

         When all Nodes have responded  OR the time limit is reached,
    1/9 forwards the vote  results  to  anybody that wants it, either
    via Network Mail or as an Echo Area.

         Have a preformed  message  format  for  requesting a ballot,
    which could be sent to  1/9  such  that  no human could interfere
    with the request for the vote.  This eliminates interference with
    the   vote   request   system  if  someone   feels   that   their
    ballot/resolution  has  not  been  properly  sent to 1/9 by IFNA.
    Improper resolutions  thusly  sent  could  be  construed as being
    "excessively annoying"  and  multiple  occurrences  of such could
    then be voted on by the Network  for  possible EXCOMMUNICATION of
    the offending Node.

         Choosing who runs Node  1/9  is  a  sensitive subject, since
    that person  could  theoretically  tamper  with  things.  There's
    simply going to have to be SOME kind of trust out there.

         This is not a full overview,  as  I  am  trying to limit the
    size of this column.  Replies, questions, comments, etc.  contact
    me as STEVE HOSKIN at Node 1:128/31.   I'd love to see this thing
    implemented.  I'd even write the software.  :-)

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    =================================================================
                                 WANTED
    =================================================================

    Daniel Tobias
    1:380/2

                            PROGRAMMER WANTED
                      Full-Time or Program-at-Home

    SOFTDISK, Inc. is looking for very talented programmers for BIG
    BLUE DISK, our monthly diskmagazine for the IBM PC, along with
    our other successful diskmagazines-- SOFTDISK for the Apple II
    and LOADSTAR for the Commodore 64. A thorough knowledge of MS-
    DOS programming and software, as well as creativity and
    imagination are required.

    We also seek contributing editors for BIG BLUE DISK as well as
    our other products.  Contributing editors program at home and
    receive payment for programs published on our monthly disks.

    This is a good opportunity-- please write if you are qualified.

                         Al Vekovius, President
                             SOFTDISK, Inc.
                              PO Box 30008
                        Shreveport, LA 71130-0008

    P.S.:  Attention Mac-Hackers: we're also launching a new
    diskmagazine for the Macintosh, and have similar openings for
    Mac programmers and contributing editors.

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                                 NOTICES
    =================================================================

                         The Interrupt Stack


    16 May 1988
       Digital Equipment Corporations Users Society Spring Symposium.
       Will be held May 16-May 20 in Cincinnati, OH.

    25 Jun 1988
       EuroCon II starts in Tiel, Holland. Sponsored by the Dutch
       Hobby Computer Club. Will run for 2 days. Contact Hans
       Lichthelm at 2:2/999 for information.

    16 Jul 1988
       A new  areacode, 508, will  form in eastern  Massachusetts and
       will  be effective on  this date.  The  new area  code will be
       formed  from the  current  areacode 617.  Greater Boston  will
       remain areacode 617  while the  rest of eastern  Massachusetts
       will form the new areacode 508.

    25 Aug 1988
       Start  of the  Fifth  International  FidoNet Conference, to be
       held  at  the Drawbridge Inn  in Cincinnati, OH.  Contact  Tim
       Sullivan at 108/62 for more information. This is FidoNet's big
       annual get-together, and is your chance to meet all the people
       you've  been talking with  all this time.  We're hoping to see
       you there!

    24 Aug 1989
       Voyager 2 passes Neptune.


    If you have something which you would like to see on this
    calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.

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                         Latest Software Versions

    BBS Systems            Node List              Other
    & Mailers   Version    Utilities   Version    Utilities   Version

    Dutchie        2.81*   EditNL          3.3    ARC            5.21
    Fido            12g*   MakeNL         2.03    ARCmail         1.1
    Opus          1.03b    Prune          1.40    ConfMail       3.31
    SEAdog         4.10    XlatList       2.86*   EchoMail       1.31
    TBBS           2.0M                           MGM             1.1
    BinkleyTerm    1.40*
    QuickBBS       1.02

    * Recently changed

    Utility authors:  Please help  keep  this  list  up  to  date  by
    FidoNews 5-14                Page 19                   4 Apr 1988


    reporting  new  versions  to 1:1/1.  It is not our intent to list
    all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.

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                                     __
                The World's First   /  \
                   BBS Network     /|oo \
                   * FidoNet *    (_|  /_)
                                   _`@/_ \    _
                                  |     | \   \\
                                  | (*) |  \   ))
                     ______       |__U__| /  \//
                    / Fido \       _//|| _\   /
                   (________)     (_/(_|(____/ (tm)

           Membership for the International FidoNet Association

    Membership in IFNA is open to any individual or organization that
    pays  a  specified  annual   membership  fee.   IFNA  serves  the
    international  FidoNet-compatible  electronic  mail  community to
    increase worldwide communications.

    Member Name _______________________________  Date _______________
    Address _________________________________________________________
    City ____________________________________________________________
    State ________________________________  Zip _____________________
    Country _________________________________________________________
    Home Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________
    Work Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________
    Zone:Net/Node Number ____________________________________________
    BBS Name ________________________________________________________
    BBS Phone Number ________________________________________________
    Baud Rates Supported ____________________________________________
    Board Restrictions ______________________________________________
    Your Special Interests __________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    In what areas would you be willing to help in FidoNet? __________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    Send this membership form and a check or money order for $25 in
    US Funds to:
                  International FidoNet Association
                  c/o Leonard Mednick, MBA, CPA
                  700 Bishop Street, #1014
                  Honolulu, Hawaii 96813-4112
                  USA

    Thank you for your membership!  Your participation will  help  to
    insure the future of FidoNet.

    Please  NOTE  that  IFNA is a general not-for-profit organization
    and Articles of Association  and  By-Laws  were  adopted  by  the
    membership in January 1987.  The first elected Board of Directors
    was filled in August 1987.  The IFNA Echomail Conference has been
    established  on  FidoNet  to  assist  the Board.  We welcome your
    input to this Conference.

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                    INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION
                                ORDER FORM

                               Publications

    The IFNA publications can be obtained by downloading from Fido
    1:1/10 or  other FidoNet compatible  systems, or by purchasing
    them directly from IFNA.  We ask that  all our  IFNA Committee
    Chairmen   provide  us   with  the  latest  versions  of  each
    publication, but we can make no written guarantees.

    Hardcopy prices as of October 1, 1986

       IFNA Fido BBS listing                       $15.00    _____
       IFNA Administrative Policy DOCs             $10.00    _____
       IFNA FidoNet Standards Committee DOCs       $10.00    _____

                                                 SUBTOTAL    _____

                     IFNA Member ONLY Special Offers

       System Enhancement Associates SEAdog        $60.00    _____
       SEAdog price as of March 1, 1987
       ONLY 1 copy SEAdog per IFNA Member

       Fido Software's Fido/FidoNet               $100.00    _____
       Fido/FidoNet price as of November 1, 1987
       ONLY 1 copy Fido/FidoNet per IFNA Member

       International orders include $10.00 for
              surface shipping or $20.00 for air shipping    _____

                                                 SUBTOTAL    _____

                   HI. Residents add 4.0 % Sales tax         _____

                                                 TOTAL       _____

       SEND CHECK OR MONEY ORDER IN US FUNDS:
       International FidoNet Association
       c/o Leonard Mednick, MBA, CPA
       700 Bishop Street, #1014
       Honolulu, HI.  96813-4112
       USA

    Name________________________________
    Zone:Net/Node____:____/____
    Company_____________________________
    Address_____________________________
    City____________________  State____________  Zip_____
    Voice Phone_________________________

    Signature___________________________

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