Volume 4, Number 38                                5 October 1987
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                            Table of Contents

    1. ARTICLES  .................................................  1
       Career Advice via Fido (we need your advice)  .............  1
       Greetings from the New Zone 1 Coordinator, David Dodell  ..  2
       P/S 2 Compatible Available October 11, 1987  ..............  4
       What's Up at SEA?  ........................................  5
    2. COLUMNS  ..................................................  9
       Origin: Angevin Empire  ...................................  9
    3. NOTICES  .................................................. 11
       The Interrupt Stack  ...................................... 11
       Latest Software Versions  ................................. 11
    4. COMMITTEE REPORTS  ........................................ 12
       Ben Baker resigns as International Coordinator  ........... 12
       FidoCon V -- Where's It Gonna Be?  ........................ 13
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    David Hart
    CareerPath BBS
    Node 107/117   -  (212) 696-9777

                     NEED CAREER HELP?
                    Want to change jobs?

    CareerPath BBS is a non-commercial, public interest BBS spon-
    sored by Cary Hart Associates; a national Management Consulting
    and Executive Search Firm.

    CareerPath BBS provides a number of free services now and will
    add more in the future.

    1. We provide counseling in resume writing, interview skills and
    career direction via our message base. One of our message areas
    provides for anonymous entry if desirable.

    2. We accept uploads of resumes in complete confidence.

    3. We are interested, in the near future, of providing a CAREERS
    echo. This is dependent upon Network Sysop interest.

    4. We advertise some help wanted. Some of this is via the Metro-
    Forum Echo of net 107. When we place an "ad" in Metro-Forum, we
    typically we do not have an economic interest in filling the
    position. We DO have an economic interest in positions posted on
    the system (non-echoed). However, because we NEVER accept fees
    from candidates, we consider this activity to be non-commercial.

    We need user and network feed-back to make this unique system
    viable and of maximum assistance to all. We operate at 300/1200
    and 2400 bps, 24 hours/7 days.

    You may file request (via FIDO) "INFO.ARC" which provides comp-
    rehensive information about CareerPath as well as the correct
    procedures for uploading resumes. Locally, this file is avail-
    able for download from file area #3.

    Our staff responds to SERIOUS help inquiries within 48 hours!



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    FidoNews 4-38                Page 2                    5 Oct 1987


    David Dodell
    FidoNet 1:1/0 (aka 114/15)


                            New Zone 1 Coordinator (1:1/0)


    Hello,   as  most  of  you  already  know,  I  have  resumed  the
    responsibility of Ben Baker's position  as  Zone  1  Coordinator,
    better  known as 1/0.  I assumed Ben's position last week,  after
    Ben resigned his position in the network due to burnout.

    First, to tell you all about myself.  I am dentist by profession,
    married,  and have two wonderful dogs named  Keesha  and  Max.  I
    live and practice in sunny Scottsdale,  Arizona and have been the
    sysop of the St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center BBS for the
    past two years.

    I am new to this position and will need some  patience  from  the
    network.  I would like to make several comments about my position
    after only being in it for a few days:

    (1) There  might  be a  delay of a day or so initially in getting
        out the  NODEDIFF.  I  expect  to  issue  it  Friday  evening
        initially.  It  will be available by Seadog File Request (aka
        FR) with the file name of NODEDIFF and NODELIST.  FidoNews is
        also available using the FR name  of  FIDONEWS.  Using  these
        "key" words will always give you the most recent issue.

    (2) I  have  received numerous complaints,  policy disagreements,
        etc.  via the grape-vine, Ben Baker, and Ken Kaplan.  First a
        little  patience  is  needed  in  expecting  an answer.  I am
        averaging 15 messages a night so far.  I want  to  give  each
        one my undivided attention, but I also need to devote time to
        my  practice  and  family.  I  VOW  that  I will answer every
        single message,  but please understand that most of them will
        be  routed back as normal netmail,  and may take some time in
        getting to you.

    (3) If you sent Ben a message over the past  month  and  did  not
        receive  a  reply,  please  send  it  again  to  me.  Several
        messages  and  requests  were  lost  in   the   transfer   of
        responsibility.

    (4) FLAMES  will  get you no where.  I will be glad to engage  in
        rational constructive converstation and criticism, but flames
        and name-calling will cause me to think less of any arguments
        or points you are trying to make.

    (5) PLEASE TRY to work  out  problems  within  the  framework  of
        POLICY3.  This  states  that  the  chain  is  to contact your
        network host,  then regional host about any  decision  before
        contacting  me.  If  I  receive  any  mail before it has gone
        through the chain,  it will be immediately be  referred  back
        down without any decision.

    FidoNews 4-38                Page 3                    5 Oct 1987


    (6) The Help Nodes in Region 1 are being restructure to provide a
        better  support  structure  for the network.  If you have any
        suggestions or comments,  please  let  me  know.  I  am  also
        working  on  getting all the Echomail Backbones listed in the
        Region 1 nodelist,  so everyone will  know  who  their  local
        Echomail  regional  coordinator  is,  in  order to facilitate
        linking of new echos.


    Remember,  to  most of the network,  including myself,  this is a
    hobby.  Try to work out  problems  locally,  compromise  and  the
    network  will  be better for all of us.  Take a deep breath,  and
    have FUN !

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    World Of Computers
    Whitestone, New York

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE  -  FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    ===============================================

    On Sunday October 11, 1987 at the Grand Royal Hotel
    in Hempstead, New York, will be another spectacular
    KGP computer show.

    What makes this show different from ALL other shows
    this year will the introduction of the FIRST PS/2
    compatible computer named the QT/2 which will be
    available at the show for demonstration, evaluation
    and purchase.

    The QT/2 is made entirely in the United States, and
    does not face the import tariff currently being levied
    against other compatibles made in the Far East.

    Standard features of the QT/2 include 3 Megabytes of
    memory on the motherboard, both a 3 1/2 inch floppy
    drive and a 1/4 height standard 360k floppy allowing
    easy transfer of software to/from either format. Both
    serial and parallel ports are included as well as a
    light pen port and a game adaptor port and the display
    adaptor as well.  A 250 watt switching power supply is
    standard with a 300 watt supply available as an option.

    The QT/2 allows hard drives of up to 120 Megabytes to be
    installed and operated as a SINGLE drive without the use
    of device drivers.

    All current CGA, EGA, Monochrome and VGA display units
    will operate on the QT/2. Several  expansion boards have
    been tested and perform to specifications.

    The base price of the unit will be $995. This includes
    3 Megabytes of memory and the two floppy disk drives
    as well as the serial and parallel ports, the game
    adaptor port,  the display adaptor and an enhanced AT
    style tactile touch keyboard.

    The unit is covered by a 12 month warranty and service
    can be obtained nationwide from over 1300 repair centers.

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    FidoNews 4-38                Page 5                    5 Oct 1987


    Kilgore Trout, 1:107/6

                            What's Up at SEA?


    We  thought we'd fill you in on what's cooking at SEA these days.
    First, the bad news.

    The free SEAdog upgrade offer  to  FidoNet  sysops  will  end  on
    October 30th,  1987.  After that date SEAdog upgrades from 4.0 to
    4.1  will  cost  $10.   Just  in  case  you  missed  our  earlier
    announcement about the upgrade offer, we'll repeat it.

    If  you have a copy of SEAdog 4.0 that is now operating as a node
    on FidoNet,  we will upgrade you to  version  4.1  at  no  charge
    (until  October  30th).  To get your free upgrade,  please do the
    following:

     1) Write your name and your network address on your  SEAdog  4.0
        disk label.

     2) Write  your  name and mailing address on an adhesive label or
        on a floppy disk mailer.

     3) Mail them both to us at 21 New Street,  Wayne NJ  07470,  and
        we'll mail you back a 4.1 disk.  We will include a sheet that
        describes what's new in version 4.1 of SEAdog.

    If you wish to upgrade a SEAdog 4.0 that is NOT now operating  as
    a node on FidoNet,  then enclose $10.  If you wish to upgrade any
    earlier version of SEAdog, then enclose $50.


    Now that that's out of the way, what else is going on?

    We've tinkered with the MGM system a bit.  Mostly fine-tuning and
    touchups.  Most of the utilities now make SEAdog log file entries
    at the VERBOSE level.


    ARCmail 1.10 is now available, and is significantly enhanced over
    version 1.00.  We've added an "overflow area" that keeps incoming
    mail archives from blowing  away  your  network  mail  area.  For
    example,  we've noticed that PC-DOS starts getting real slow when
    you have more than about  280  files  in  one  directory  on  our
    system, so now we run ARCmail with a statement like:

        arcmail from all /o150

    This  tells  ARCmail  that  any  time  the  netmail area hits 150
    messages,  everything else goes in the  overflow  area.  We  then
    tell MGMfwd to create 100 messages per pass, and hence never have
    more than 250 message files in the netmail area.

    Messages  that  are  shunted  to  the  overflow area are not lost
    (would we do that to you?) The overflow  area  is  essentially  a
    FidoNews 4-38                Page 6                    5 Oct 1987


    "first in, first out" queue that ARCmail manages for you.

    We've  also  expanded the naming convention in ARCmail 1.10.  The
    convention used  by  earlier  versions  was  only  good  for  ten
    archives  per  day over a span of one week.  Nowadays many sysops
    (including us)  want  to  run  a  mail  relay  event  every  hour
    (sometimes  even  every half hour) with mail events in between to
    deliver  mail  to  nodes  near them.  The older naming convention
    could get you in real trouble doing that,  since you could easily
    create  more than ten archives per day for a given node.  The new
    naming convention is fully backwards compatible,  and is good for
    an archive every minute over a span of a month.


    The  new  SEAlink  driver  with  Overdrive  is now available.  As
    before,  full sources for the driver are provided.  We're  hoping
    that  this  second  release  of  the  SEAlink routines will be as
    popular  as  the  first  was.   For  those  who  can't  wait  for
    Overdrive,  we've  included an upgraded CLINK.EXE protocol driver
    that can now  be  fully  configured  by  command  line  switches,
    including  selecting  the  baud rate,  COM1 or COM2,  and setting
    Overdrive.

    For  the  non-techies  out  there,   "overdrive"  is  an  ACKless
    "streaming mode" that greatly enhances SEAlink throughput on  the
    current  crop  of  9600  baud asymmetrical or half duplex modems,
    like the Courier HST,  the Telebit Trailblazer,  and the Microcom
    AX-9624C.  Overdrive should only be engaged at baud rates greater
    than 2400 bps.


    There is FINALLY a new version of DTTY available,  and  this  one
    even has docs!  That's a big step for DTTY -- we thought she'd be
    a NODOX program forever.  If you've never heard of DTTY, then you
    may  want  to  give  her  a  try.  DTTY  is  a  terminal program,
    something like Minitel and nothing at all like Telix.  Just plain
    ol'  type  at  yer  modem  stuff here;  no fancy menus,  no sound
    effects,  no glitter.  So why bother?  A couple of  reasons.  (1)
    Some  of us actually LIKE plain-Jane terminal programs.  (2) DTTY
    can do SEAlink with Overdrive.  (3) Here's the biggie:  DTTY uses
    the SEAdog configuration and data files, including the node list!
    You can tell DTTY things like:

        dtty call Gee Wong

    and she'll go look up his net address,  find out his phone number
    and baud rate,  and start  dialing.  This  alone  can  make  DTTY
    worthwhile,  even  if  you'd  rather not use her as your terminal
    program.  You can shell out to her from another terminal program,
    have her dial whoever you want to call, and then pop back.

    This version of  DTTY  also  introduces  an  experimental  "split
    screen mode" for those of you who like to chat with  other  users
    on  a multiline TBBS.  Everything except the split screen mode is
    done through DOS calls or FOSSIL calls,  so DTTY should  work  on
    any system that can run SEAdog.
    FidoNews 4-38                Page 7                    5 Oct 1987


    All  SEA  shareware  products can be downloaded from our customer
    support board at (201) 473-1991, or outside of National Mail Hour
    may be file requested from 1:107/6.  The  relevant  filenames  to
    request for products mentioned in this article are:

        MGM*.ARC       The MGM conferencing system.
        MGMARCM.ARC    The ARCmail mail compression program.
        SEALINK.ARC    The SEAlink protocol driver.
        DTTY.ARC       The DTTY terminal emulation program.

    Other SEA shareware products include:

        SLAVE.ARC      Allows giving DOS commands to a system by network
                       mail.
        KITTEN.ARC     A minimalist bulletin board system for use
                       with SEAdog.
        USNO.ARC       Sets your system time and date by calling the
                       U.S. Naval Observatory.
        XLATRGEN.ARC   Translates the St.Louis format nodelist into a
                       file suitable for use with SEAdog, Fido, or Opus.
        SCRIPTER.ARC   A preliminary script driver that lets SEAdog
                       version 4.1 use version 4.0 script files.
        SDOPT.EXE      A program that allows setting some extended
                       options for the SEAdog MAIL program.

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    USRobotics Special Offer for SYSOP's

    USR called the IFNA office this week and asked us to pass
    along the following special offer for SYSOP's:

    USR has lowered the SYSOP price for the original Courier
    2400 and Microlink 2400 to $289. Call 1:115/500 which is
    USR's board in Skokie, Ill. and complete the online
    questionaire to place an order. If you have purchased
    one of these modems in the past three months at the old
    SYSOP price of $325, USR has offered send you a rebate.
    Call USR at 800-DIALUSR and ask for Chandra for further
    information on rebates.

    Ken Kaplan
    1:1/10
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                                 COLUMNS
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               O r i g i n : A n g e v i n E m p i r e

                      Issue #4: Nodelist Shrinking
                        Aaron Priven (1:125/1154)

       (Note: I have changed nets since the previous three columns
    were submitted.  Please take note of the new address.)

       Are you one of the countless millions who are glad that all
    the hoopla about the Constitution's 200th anniversary is over?
    Or are you one who's interest was piqued by the information that
    was circulating?  If the latter, I suggest you find a copy of
    _Miracle at Philadelphia_.  _Miracle at Philadelphia_ is an
    account of the proceedings of the Constitutional Convention,
    with many quotes but placed in 18th century contexts.  Catherine
    Drinker Bowen tells a good story, and I have read this book over
    and over since I first discovered it seven years ago.

                                * * *

          In the SYSOP echomail there has been a lot of talk of late
    about shrinking the size of the node list.  Ideas such as no
    longer having separate HUB and HOST entries, deletion of private
    nodes, and many other things have been suggested.  All of these
    are good ideas and ought to be considered.  We could split (and
    apparently are splitting) the nodelist into lots of different
    pieces, but that will sacrifice capability.  None of these is
    really a good solution.

       The fact is that there are some 1600 accessible nodes in the
    nodelist, and this number increases every week.  It's not going
    to go away -- and even if all the duplicates were zapped out,
    we'd be right back where we are now in a couple of months.  Just
    think what will happen when someone invents a utility that lets
    non-Fido compatible BBS programs (RBBS-PC or PC-Board) join the
    Matrix and carry echomail conferences.  I'd guess that a large
    number of those systems would join if their favorite software
    let them. I think this will happen pretty soon.

       So, we are looking at expansion in the near future, and the
    uncompressed nodelist is likely to hit 400K or 500K very soon.
    In my opinion the best way to solve it right now is to rewrite
    the nodelist.

       Take a look at a sample entry.

    ,1154,The_Angevin_Empire,San_Mateo_CA,Aaron_Priven,
       1-415-349-2623,1200,XP:,#CM:

       That's pretty long -- 81 bytes, including the end-of-line
    markers.  But if you look at it, not all of that stuff is really
    necessary to be a list of nodes.  One of the first principles of
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    the Matrix -- I always thought -- is that the purpose of the
    nodelist is to be a list of nodes, and not a BBS list.

       All that is needed in a list of nodes is _how to reach the
    node_.  That means that the name of the BBS is not really
    relevant to the purpose of the nodelist.  It doesn't matter that
    my BBS is called "The Angevin Empire" if all someone in Arkansas
    wants to do is send me a message saying "That was a really
    stupid column!", or ask one of my users about that program he
    wrote. All that person should care about is how to reach me.

       The BBS name isn't the only one that is irrelevant.  The time
    up flags (DA:, WK:, WE:) are only important if a person is going
    to call the board not during the NMH -- and the #CM: flag
    already means 24 hour operation (at least, that is the
    consensus).  And I really don't understand why anybody but the
    programmers should care about extended protocol (the XP: flag).

       I'm not sure about some of the others.  For example, I think
    the sysop-name field might be deleted.  I suppose it can be
    useful to have the sysop's name right at hand when writing a
    note, but it is only rarely that this is really used.  SEAdog
    systems have their USERLISTs, but I wonder how much this is
    really used -- and whether it is really worth burdening the
    entire net with what might well be replaced by the SEAdog sysop
    by a short list of the most common names sent to.

       Some simple things ought to be changed: decimal numbers to hex
    numbers (they save some space), two-digit baud numbers (nobody
    runs at 12 baud, do they?), and CR instead of CR/LF as the end
    of line marker. Those should be simple.

       So instead of the lengthy listing

    ,1154,The_Angevin_Empire,San_Mateo_CA,Aaron_Priven,
       1-415-349-2623,1200,XP:,#CM:

       we would now have

    ,482,San_Mateo_CA,1-415-349-2623,12,#CM:

       That's 41 bytes. Some listings will save more, some less, but
    doing what I've suggested might well cut half of the length of
    the nodelist --without losing any of its capability as a list of
    Matrix nodes.


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                                 NOTICES
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                         The Interrupt Stack


    16 Oct 1987
       Ken Kaplan's 40th birthday.

    14 Nov 1987
       The First New England Sysop Conference, to be held at the
       Lederle Graduate Research Center, 16 Floor University of
       Massachusetts, Amherst.  Contact Mort Sternheim at 1:321/109
       for details.

     7 Dec 1987
       Start of the Digital Equipment Users Society meeting in
       Anaheim, CA.  Contact Mark Buda at 1:132/777 for details.

    24 Aug 1989
       Voyager 2 passes Neptune.


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    FidoNews 4-38                Page 12                   5 Oct 1987


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                            COMMITTEE REPORTS
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    Date: Fri 25 Sep 87 03:09
    From: Ben Baker
    To:   Don Daniels
    Subj: Resignation

    For reasons of health,  sanity and marriage,  I must,  with  some
    regret, tender my resignation as IFNA VP - Technical Coordinator,
    and as IFNA Director.

    David   Dodell  (114/15)  was  to  assume  the  role  of  zone  1
    coordinator on October 16.  I have accellerated that schedule and
    entered him as 1/0  in  the  list  to  be  published  later  this
    morning.

    I feel that I have made some significant contributions to the net
    in the past.  For that I am pleased.

    I  feel  that  I  am  contributing little now,  and spending many
    unpleasant hours doing it.  For that I am  displeased!  Worse,  I
    feel  little  urge  to  contribute in the future.  In short,  I'm
    burned out.  It would be a disservice to the net and to myself to
    continue.

    As to the position of VP-TC,  I  have  no  recommendation.  I  am
    confident  that  the  ZC's can keep the net running smooth so you
    need not rush into a posibily bad decision,  just for the sake of
    filling  the  position.  I  suggest  you try to find someone with
    political talent first and  technical  expertise  second,  though
    both are important.

    Respectfully,

                                         Ben Baker

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    FidoNews 4-38                Page 13                   5 Oct 1987


                    FIDOCON V -- WHERE'S IT GONNA BE?

    It seems like we have just barely returned home from FidoCon IV
    and here it is time to start thinking about FidoCon V already.  A
    successful conference of this sort takes a great deal of advance
    planning and coordination.  The Membership Services Committee,
    under the chairmanship of Phil Ardussi, has been charged with
    recommending a site to hold FidoCon in August 1988.

    Would you like to host the next FidoCon in your city?  Here is
    your chance.  Send a proposal to the FidoCon Site Selection
    subcommittee to be considered for the honor of hosting FidoCon V.

    What do you need to do to host FidoCon in your city?  I'm glad
    you asked.  Planning an international conference requires a great
    deal of work on the part of the hosts.  A site must be selected
    with adequate meeting space, accessibility, reasonable price and
    1001 other details.  To give you an idea of what needs to be done
    and to give the Site Selection Subcommittee some information
    about your city, we need to have the following questionnaire
    filled out:

    LOCATION:

         1.   What is the mileage from the airport to the host hotel?

         2.   Is shuttle service furnished by the hotel available to
              and from the hotel and airport?

         3.   Are there direct (no connections) flights from the top
              ten largest metropolitan areas to your airport?

    HOTEL FACILITIES:

         1.   Is there a large (150 person) conference room which
              will be available throughout the conference?

         2.   Are there at least three smaller conference rooms which
              will be available for meetings during the conference?

         3.   Will there be display space for vendors?

         4.   Will there be a small private conference room available
              for the host and other committees?

         5.   Will  the hotel guarantee room rate,  not to exceed $80
              for double occupancy?

         6.   Will the host committee prepare a list including price
              ranges and bill of fare for all hotel restaurants in
              advance of the conference?

         7.   Will the hotel provide early committment on prices of
              banquets, receptions, coffee break service, and any
              other food and beverage service to the conference
              sessions?
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         8.   Does the hotel have handicap facilities?

    LOCAL SUPPORT:

         1.   There must be an active committee consisting of at
              least five members in the host city at least nine
              months before the conference.  Members of this
              committee should be prepared to spend at least two
              hours per week in the early planning stages and at
              least 8-10 hours per week just before the conference.
              The local chair should work closely with the FidoCon
              subcommittee chair by Net Mail, US Mail, and voice.
              Please furnish the name of the host committee and the
              name and address of the host chairperson.

         2.   Sponsorship of the conference by a local user group
              is okay.  Please furnish the name of the sponsoring
              group, if any.

         3.   Will a list of nearby restaurants (all price ranges --
              including fast food) and local entertainment be
              prepared by the local committee?

         4.   Will maps of the area would be provided to attendees?

         5.   What activities for family members should will be
              planned by the local committee?

         6.   Will there be a software swap area set up with
              computers for people to trade disks?  Will any of them
              be equipped with a printer and/or modem? Will disk
              sales (at cost) be included?

         7.   Will there be conference souvenirs, including but not
              limited to T-shirts and hats, available throughout the
              conference?

         8.   Will a special rate on car rentals be available to
              FidoCon attendees?

    OTHER:

         1.   What other events would you suggest for attendees?

         2.   What are the features of your city that make it
              particularly desirable for hosting FidoCon?

    GENERAL COMMENTS: (To be filled in by the prospective hosts)

    Please give a lot of thought to the amount of time and money that
    will be involved in hosting FidoCon.  Then, write up your
    proposal and send it to us.  We will evaluate all proposals and
    make recommendations to the IFNA Board of Directors.

    Proposals can be sent by NetMail to 128/13, or by US Snail to:
         Jim Cannell
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         4350 Burton Way #238
         Colorado Springs, Colorado
         80918

    If you want to include any printed promotional materials from the
    hotel or other facility, forward five copies to the above
    address.

    If you have any questions or problems, please send me NetMail or
    give me a voice call at 303-531-9043.  The other members of the
    FidoCon Site Selection subcommittee are also willing to provide
    any assistance.  They are:

         Chuck Sanders    128/16
         Irene Henderson  107/9
         Steve Bonine     115/700
         Phil Ardussi     157/1

    If there is anyone else out there who has experience in
    convention planning that is not connected with one of the
    prospective host cities who wants to help with planning, you are
    welcome to join the Membership Services Site Selection
    Subcommittee.  Send a NetMail note to Phil Ardussi at 157/1.

    PROPOSALS MUST BE RECEIVED BY OCTOBER 31.
    =========================================

    Jim Cannell
    FidoCon Site Selection Subcommittee Chairperson
    128/13

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           Membership for the International FidoNet Association

    Membership in IFNA is open to any individual or organization that
    pays  an  annual  specified  membership  fee.   IFNA  serves  the
    international  FidoNet-compatible  electronic  mail  community to
    increase worldwide communications. **

         Name _________________________________    Date ________
         Address ______________________________
         City & State _________________________
         Country_______________________________
         Phone (Voice) ________________________

         Net/Node Number ______________________
         Board Name____________________________
         Phone (Data) _________________________
         Baud Rate Supported___________________
         Board Restrictions____________________
         Special Interests_____________________
         ______________________________________
         ______________________________________
         Is there some area where you would be
         willing to help out in FidoNet?_______
         ______________________________________
         ______________________________________

    Send your membership form and a check or money order for $25 to:

                  International FidoNet Association
                  P. O. Box 41143
                  St Louis, Missouri 63141
                  USA

    Thank you for your membership!  Your participation will  help  to
    insure the future of FidoNet.

    ** Please NOTE that IFNA is a general not-for-profit organization
       and  Articles  of  Association and By-Laws were adopted by the
       membership  in  January  1987.  The  first  elected  Board  of
       Directors  was  filled  in  August  1987.  The  IFNA  Echomail
       Conference has been  established  on  FidoNet  to  assist  the
       Board. We welcome your input on this Conference.

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    FidoNews 4-38                Page 17                   5 Oct 1987


                    INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION
                                ORDER FORM

                               Publications

    The IFNA publications can be obtained by  downloading  from  Fido
    1/10  or other FidoNet compatible systems,  or by purchasing them
    directly from IFNA.  We ask that all our IFNA Committee  Chairmen
    provide  us with the latest versions of each publication,  but we
    can make no written guarantees.

    IFNA Fido BBS listing                             $15.00    _____
    IFNA Administrative Policy DOCs                   $10.00    _____
    IFNA FidoNet Standards Committee DOCs             $10.00    _____

    Special offers for IFNA members ONLY:

      System Enhancement Associates SEAdog            $60.00    _____
        ONLY 1 copy SEAdog per IFNA Member.

      Fido Software's Fido/FidoNet                    $65.00    _____
        ONLY 1 copy Fido/FidoNet per IFNA Member.
        As of November 1,  1987 price will increase to
        $100.  Orders including checks for $65 will be
        returned after October 31, 1987.

                                              SUBTOTAL          _____

              Missouri Residents add 5.725 % Sales tax          _____

    International orders include $5.00 for
           surface shipping or $15.00 for air shipping          _____

                                              TOTAL             _____

       SEND CHECK OR MONEY ORDER TO:
             IFNA
        P.O. Box 41143
        St. Louis, Missouri 63141  USA


    Name________________________________
    Net/Node____/____
    Company_____________________________
    Address_____________________________
    City____________________  State____________  Zip_____
    Voice Phone_________________________


    Signature___________________________

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