Volume 3, Number 22                                   9 June 1986
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    Editor in Chief:                                   Thom Henderson
    Chief Procrastinator Emeritus:                       Tom Jennings

    FidoNews is the official newsletter of the International  FidoNet
    Association,  and is published weekly by SEAdog Leader, node 1/1.
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    Everything here is subject to debate.




                            Table of Contents

    1. EDITORIAL
       The Right to Information
    2. ARTICLES
       EchoMail and Host Routing: A Plea for Sanity
       New Utility: FIDODATE
       The latest FIDO distribution list
       Minutes - Cincinnati Fido Sysop Meeting
       Help a Lost Dog Find His Way
       The Survival Communication Forum
    3. COLUMNS
       Notes from Abroad
       The World of Computing:  Multitasking and multicomputers
    4. WANTED
       Wanted: Computer Related T-Shirts
    5. FOR SALE
       Entertainment Software for your PC!
    6. NOTICES
       The Interrupt Stack
       CARTOON: Gruesome George, by Bruce White
       Starting a Conference for the MINDSET PC




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                                EDITORIAL
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    This week's guest editorial is by Peter de Jager of 148/103.

                         The Right to Information


    Greetings FidoWorld!  The editorial in FidoNews volume 3,  number
    17 has prompted this response.

    The question has been asked, "Do we have a right to information?"
    That is to say,  "is someone immoral if they withhold information
    from me?" I have heard the argument  that  information  does  not
    "belong"  to  anyone and therefore should be accessible to all at
    no cost.  I disagree.

    Firstly,  "information" is a result of data having been processed
    in  some  fashion.  This  processing  of  data  into information,
    requires energy,  therefore it is  not  free;  there  is  a  cost
    involved in its production.

    Secondly,  even the raw material,  data, is not free.  There is a
    cost to collect and store it.  Try to collect any datum  and  you
    will  find that you must make some effort to do so.  For example,
    taking the air temperature (available to  to  everyone)  requires
    the use of a thermometer, and time to take the reading.

    Thirdly,  assuming  that nobody is currently collecting the data,
    nobody is pointing a moral finger at someone else stating "It  is
    your moral duty to collect and analyze,  in case it might provide
    a solution." Nor is there a hue and cry about the fact  that  the
    data  is  expensive to collect.  After all,  the cost of the data
    collection is dictated not by some greedy individual,  but by the
    rules of nature.

    So to tie this back to the editorial, the first example given was
    of  a  private  weather  bureau that has deduced the arrival of a
    hurricane through its own efforts.  Only its subscribers now know
    about the danger and  many  other  people  die  due  to  lack  of
    knowledge.  Is  the  company  responsible for those deaths in any
    fashion?

    No!

    My reasoning is:

    a) That the raw data was available to all those that could afford
       it.  Granted the raw data cost is high, but the bureau did not
       set that price!  It was set by nature;  no one is  responsible
       for the high cost, therefore no one is to blame.

    b) The information was available to all persons that either:

       1) Collected/analyzed  the data themselves,  and paid the high
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          cost to do so, or

       2) Paid the Bureau a subscription fee,  which  would  be  much
          less than the costs involved in (1).

    In  other  words,  the  bureau has provided you a FREE service by
    giving you an additional option!  You now have a choice!  Pay the
    high cost set by nature OR the lower cost made  possible  by  the
    activity of the bureau.

    To  now  claim that the bureau is now somehow responsible for the
    death of people that chose not to,  or could not,  pay the  lower
    price  is  worse than ludicrous.  By increasing our options,  the
    bureau has made our life better, not worse!  To inflict them with
    some form of moral obligation  is  punishing  them  for  being  a
    service to us!  Since when has excelling become a crime?

    To  impose  this  moral  obligation  on any type of activity will
    hinder its growth, to our continued detriment!  Sadly, this logic
    will not prevent the "takers" of the world  from  imposing  these
    types  of  rules  on  the  "makers".  There  are many things that
    happen in this  world  because  someone  is  willing  to  take  a
    personal risk, then there are those that would lay claim to those
    efforts  based  on their "need".  Perhaps one day the makers will
    decide it is no longer  worth  the  effort...  and  shrug...  and
    strike...  to  protect their efforts from the thieves and mooches
    of  the  world  that  contribute  nothing  but  wish  to  inherit
    everything;  because  they "need" it,  not because they've earned
    it.

                                Yours in frustration,
                                Peter de Jager
                                Toronto, Canada
                                May 1986
                                on 148/103

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                                ARTICLES
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    Josh Gordon, 125/93

                        EchoMail and Host Routing
                            A Plea for Sanity


    This isn't really my argument to make; I don't run a Host or even
    a Hub. However, I am participating in one EchoMail with about six
    other boards:  the  MAGICK  conference.  And  we  have  had  some
    disagreements  regarding  topology  and routing,  so I'm bringing
    this up for general discussion and response here.

    There is a very strong argument to be made for NEVER HOST ROUTING
    ECHOMAIL.  There is only one argument in _favor_ of host  routing
    EchoMail;  convenience  (you  don't  have to do ANYTHING).  But a
    moment's reflection will show the problems in host-routing. First
    and foremost,  the net topology and routing structure was set  up
    for  irregular but small mail loads.  In normal use,  without the
    repetitive load that EchoMail imposes,  a host/hub does not  have
    to  bear  a  grossly  huge  load,  just  a  normally  large load.
    EchoMail, on the other hand, demands repetition of messages.  So,
    if   my  board  were  to  host-route,   and  (as  the  conference
    coordinator wanted) all of us  on  the  conference  sent  to  all
    others,  my  board  would  generate  maybe  60 messages on a busy
    night, divided between 5 recipients.  What's worse, the growth is
    at  least  quadratic,  possibly  exponential.  Such a load on the
    hosts is unfair and improper,  and  impedes  the  usual  flow  of
    regular  mail:  which  is  supposed  to  be  the  host's  primary
    responsibility.

    Another argument in this vein  is  that  the  hosting  system  is
    designed  for  a  loosely-linked  system,  so that the individual
    board doesn't need any knowledge of the remote boards  schedules.
    However,  in an EchoMail topology, each board is cooperating with
    its EchoMail neighbors,  so a  direct  tightly-linked  system  is
    possible (and can be more timely).

    I  would  like  to  recommend  that  host-routing  of EchoMail be
    treated as a capital offense:  the offender should be  doghoused.
    This  seems  to be the trend;  I caught hell from the Pack Leader
    from the start, and got wise quick.  (Arf!) Some hosts are not as
    sure  of  their  rights  and  obligations,  and are continuing to
    encourage this questionable practice (or at least,  allow it.)  A
    general policy would clear things up.

    Well,  while I'm at it,  I'd like to invite any interested boards
    into the MAGICK conference.  The past few weeks have seen serious
    (and not so serious) discussions on Paganism & Tolerance,  Heresy
    (and Rumors of Heresy), Ritual vs. the Party Mentality, Political
    Alerts (there's an obnoxious bill in the  House  Ways  and  Means
    Committee  that  would  ban  tax  exemptions  from "organizations
    having an interest in witchcraft"),  and other interesting stuff.
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    Drop a line to 125/93 if you are interested. Its a lot of fun and
    sometimes even educational.

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    Matt Gertner, 141/320

    I have just released a fourth  version  of  Fidodate,  a  program
    which adds dates to the FILES.BBS file. The dates (thanks to Bill
    Thomas  of  SeaCoast  Fido)  are  added in the format mm-dd-yy in
    front of the file description. For example, the line:

        FDATE43.ARC Version 4.3 of FIDODATE

    Would be changed to:

        FDATE43.ARC 05-18-86 Version 4.3 of FIDODATE

    If a description + date is too long,  the  user  is  prompted  to
    enter a shorter description.  In addition, the date of the newest
    file is added to the DIR.BBS file (allowing users  to  scan  with
    the  'a' command to see which of the file areas have received new
    files  since  their  last  call).   FIDODATE  can  also  be   run
    automatically  from  a batch file.  The program is public domain,
    with a requested donation of $10-20, and it is available from the
    Fido mentioned above (I unfortunately don't have the cash to mail
    it out to any number of people).  Source code is supplied. I hope
    this program will be of use to someone.

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                          FIDO DISTRIBUTION LIST
                               27 May 1986

    If you are a distribution node,  and would like to  be  added  to
    this list, send the relevant information to the SYSOP on 109/74 -
    The  Bear's  Den.  I  will  release  updates  to this list as new
    distribution nodes are added.

    NODE     NODE NAME      LOCATION         PHONE NUMBER  Version
    ----     ---------      --------         ------------  -------
    11/601  Old Frog        Rhinelander_WI   715-362-3895 * ALL
    100/10  MDC RCC,        St._Louis_MO     314-232-6881 * ALL
    100/22  PC LUG          St._Louis_MO     314-576-2743 * D,I
    100/51  DECUS Central   St._Louis_MO     314-576-4129 * ALL
    101/27  Dave's FIDO     Gardner_MA       617-632-1861 * All
    101/106 NewWorld Magic1 Swampscott_MA    617-595-5626 * I,G
    104/56  Denver's Fido   Denver, CO       303-973-9338 * ALL
    106/343 PC-Interconnect Houston_TX       713-955-8120   I
    106/106 Black Star      Houston_TX       713-458-5406   I
    107/23  HitchHikers Guide Williamson_NY  315-589-7361   D
    107/312 Dance Studio    E_Brunswick_NJ   201-247-0573   I
    109/483 Wash-A-RUG      Fairfax_VA       703-359-6549   D,I
    109/603 NET-EXCHANGE    Reston_VA        703-689-3561   I
    114/1   Phoenix Net     Phoenix_AZ       602-242-5230   I
    115/100 Illini Data_RB  Bolingbrook_IL   312-759-5402 * ALL
    115/500 Sit UBU Sit     Lombard_IL       312-960-5928 * ALL
    102/101 Rainbow Data    Los Angeles_CA   213-204-2996 * D
    122/6   PSG COOS Bay    COOS_Bay_OR      503-269-5202 * I
    123/6   FIDO Hydrant    Memphis_TN       901-353-4563 * I
    124/12  Inside Track Ed Plano_TX         214-422-4772   I
    125/1   Fido's Board    San_Francisco_CA 415-864-1418 * All
    125/521 Satore Center   San_Francisco_CA 415-647-8528   I,V
    128/10  The Three Laws  Colorado_Spgs_CO 303-574-1110   I
    129/11  TACO Sanyo Fido Trafford_PA      412-856-1428 * S
    132/107 M'Cycle Bytes   Amherst_NH       603-889-3366 * All
    133/1   ATL/FIDO1       Atlanta_GA       404-928-1876 * D,I
    134/1   Calgary Fido    Calgary_Alberta  403-282-1703 * I,S
    135/14  Metro-Fire Fido Miami_FL         305-596-8611   I,S,T,G
    137/19  The Ark Tangent Tampa_FL         813-977-5347 * I
    138/3   PROBUS INTRNTL  Puyallup_WA      206-848-9232 * I
    138/14  BECS_Tandy_Fido Seattle_WA       206-527-5619 * All
    3101/1  Fido Nl1        Ede_Holland    +31-8380-37165   I

    * Supports 2400 Baud

    FIDO Version:
            I[BM], D[EC], V[ICTOR], S[ANYO], T[ANDY], G[ENERIC]

    This  version of the list was squeezed a bit,  to allow it to fit
    into the FIDONEWS format.  If you would like  a  full  80  column
    copy  of this list,  it may be downloaded from either FIDO 109/74
    (The Bear's Den), or FIDO 109/483 (Wash-A-RUG).

                                 - NOTE -

    It has been pointed out to me that not all of these listed  nodes
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    are  carrying  the  latest  release  of FIDO.  If you find old or
    obsolete versions of FIDO on a listed distribution  node,  please
    let me know at FIDO 109/74.

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    MINUTES - Cincinnati Area Fido Sysop Meeting - May 16, 1986
    Allen Miller 108/10


    May 16, 1986 - We had the first Fido Sysop's get together for the
    Cincinnati area Fido's.  A rather informal affair, it was held at
    Mr.  T's, a pizza parlor in Western Hills,  Cincinnati.  If I can
    speak  for the group,  I would say a rather pleasant time was had
    by all.

    The first order of business was introductions, because other than
    one or two for each of us, every face was a new one.  We had nine
    sysop's in attendance,  seven from Cincinnati one one  each  from
    Fairborn and Sydney.

    After  the  introductions we moved on to the next important order
    of business, pizzas, hoagies and beer.

    Before,  during,  and after the food (and beverages) we had  some
    very helpful discussions.  Often times there were two or three of
    these  discussions  going  on  at the same time so I really can't
    comment on all of them.

    - Some of the sysops discussed problems with users that spend  an
      inordinate  amount of time downloading and those that insist on
      leaving messages using foul language.  Preregistration,  Fido's
      time  parameters  and  orientation  of  the  Fido  system  were
      discussed as ways to limit these activities.

    - Announcement was made that only  the  NODEDIFF  files  will  be
      distributed  automatically  in  the  local area.  File transfer
      time was cited as the reason for  this  change.  Sysops  should
      get XLATRGEN or LISTGEN utility to merge the NODEDIFF file with
      the prior week's NODELIST.nnn file.

    - General  use  of the Sysop "0" command and the O)utside command
      were discussed, along with the OUTSIDE utility program.  Sample
      .BAT files were distributed illustrating structure for invoking
      these functions with security  of  the  WATCHDOG  utility.  One
      sysop  expressed  interest  in finding a generalized utility to
      allow full screen video applications to run well in the Outside
      environment.

    - Several Fido operation problems  were  discussed  and  resolved
      either at the meeting or after.  One problem involved the "disk
      full" error message generated when trying to enter messages and
      was  found  to  be  caused  by  not  having  the  FILES=20  and
      BUFFERS=50 statements in the CONFIG.SYS file.  A  question  was
      also  raised  on  how  to  upload  *.* to Fido.  Allen Miller's
      solution is to use Telink protocol in a program such as PIBTERM
      and enter the command U TC X to Fido, and then *.* to PIBTERM's
      request for a filename.

    - Use of .BAT  files  along  with  Fido's  event  scheduler  were
      discussed  as  an  effective means of performing regular system
      maintenance functions.  Samples were  distributed.  One  of  my
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      favorite  items  is  to  use COMMAND /C filename.BAT to have my
      RUNBBS.BAT file  execute  its  external  event  by  calling  an
      external  .BAT  file  and  allowing  the event statements to be
      maintained in a separate file.  When the  event  .BAT  file  is
      completed, control is returned to the calling .BAT file.

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    Announcing the Official GAGS Game Contest       May 26, 1986
    -----------------------------------------       ------------

    Users of the Generic Adventure Game  System  (GAGS)  now  have  a
    chance  to enhance their reputations and income by writing a game
    using GAGS.

    The author of the best game submitted to the Official  GAGS  Game
    Contest  will  receive  $100 or 100 floppy disks,  and his or her
    game will be included with all copies of  GAGS  for  at  least  a
    year.  Depending  on  the  number  and quality of entries,  other
    entries showing merit may receive Honorable  Mentions  and  token
    prizes of some kind.


    GUIDELINES FOR SUBMISSIONS:

    To  be  considered  for  the  contest,  your  game must work with
    version 1.06a or later of the Generic Adventure Game System.

    The game should be playable (i.e.  it  must  be  possible  for  a
    reasonable  player  to complete it in less than 5 years,  and not
    require that the player save the game status before every  step).
    Please  realize  that  the line between cleverness and cruelty in
    game design is a fine one.

    The winning game need  not  use  the  standard  "adventure  game"
    format;  any  interesting  and  enjoyable script for GAGS will be
    considered for the contest.  It  is  not  necessary  to  use  any
    particular  feature  of  GAGS,  and  the  game can be as large or
    small, or as simple or complex, as you feel appropriate.

    Games which rely  on  IBM-specific  features  (such  as  the  IBM
    graphics  character set) will be considered,  but games requiring
    specific  features  of  other  computer  systems  will   not   be
    considered.

    Keep  your  game clean.  If your game were a movie,  it should be
    rated PG-13 at the worst,  since GAGS is aimed at a wide audience
    including pre-teens.  It should not contain explicit or offensive
    language,  and should certainly not require obscene or  offensive
    behavior on the part of the player.

    The  game  should  not  infringe upon any copyrighted material or
    upon any trademarks.  In other words,  while you are  welcome  to
    base  your  game  upon  a fantasy-role-playing environment,  or a
    space  travel  scenario,   you  cannot  legally  use  names  like
    "Dungeons  and  Dragons"  or  "Star  Trek,"  which are registered
    trademarks.  It might be acceptable to use modified trademarks if
    the game is a deliberate satire. All text must be original to the
    game author(s), who must own all copyrights to the game.

    Entries may be written by an individual,  a team, or, if desired,
    by an artificially-intelligent computer program.


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    PRIZES:

    The author of the best game submitted by September 30,  1986 will
    receive  his  or  her  choice  of a check for $100 or 100 double-
    sided,  double-density floppy disks for the IBM PC.  Depending on
    the number of entries and the disposition of the judge(s),  other
    prizes may also be awarded,  either as additional prizes for  the
    author  of  the  best  game or as less valuable prizes awarded to
    games considered worthy of an Honorable Mention.


    RULES:

    No purchase is necessary:  You need not be a registered  user  to
    enter  the Official GAGS Game Contest,  and registered users will
    have no advantage in the contest.

    All entries should comply with  the  Guidelines  for  Submissions
    listed above.

    The  winner of the contest will be the game that,  in the opinion
    of the judge(s),  is most interesting and enjoyable to  use.  The
    contest  will  be  judged  by  Mark J.  Welch,  or by one or more
    person(s) chosen by him to judge the contest.  All  decisions  of
    the judge(s) will be final.

    The  winning  game  file will be included with all copies of GAGS
    distributed by the author from October 31,  1986 to  October  31,
    1987,  and  possibly thereafter.  Other than the $100 prize,  the
    winner will receive  no  additional  compensation  from  Mark  J.
    Welch;  however,  the  winning  game  may  include  a "shareware"
    contribution request within the game itself. The winning game may
    be edited for style and grammar before release.

    All entries may be individually copyrighted by their authors, and
    may be distributed as "shareware" or  as  "public  domain"  works
    independent of the Official GAGS Game Contest.  Entries which are
    copyrighted and distributed  as  "shareware"  by  their  authors,
    including  the  winning  submission  if appropriate,  may include
    requests for contributions to their authors.

    Submissions should be sent as an ASCII text file, on a 5-1/4 inch
    floppy disk,  formatted for use with an  IBM  Personal  Computer.
    Entries which include a return mailer and sufficient postage will
    be returned; no other submissions will be returned.

    All submissions must be mailed to Mark J.  Welch, P.O.  Box 2409,
    San Francisco,  CA 94126.  All submissions must be postmarked  by
    September 30, 1986, and must be received by October 10, 1986. The
    winner  of the contest will be announced on or before October 31,
    1986.

    ----------------

    Sorry, games may not be submitted electronically.  WelchNet (Fido
    125/459)  has  become  a  private  node with an unpublished phone
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    number.  I am moving to Berkeley,  California effective  June  1,
    1986;  please  call Directory Assistance for my new voice number,
    or call my old voice number (415-564-1066) for a referral.

    ----------------

    For those who don't already  know,  the  Generic  Adventure  Game
    System (GAGS) is an adventure-game authoring system for computers
    that  use  the  MS-DOS operating system (such as the IBM PC,  DEC
    Rainbow, PCjr, and the Amiga with Transformer).  It's distributed
    as Shareware,  and is available from many bulletin-board systems,
    users'  groups,  and  other  sources  of  public-domain  software
    nationwide.  An  unregistered  program disk can also be purchased
    from the author for $10. Registration is $15 more; and registered
    users can buy the Turbo Pascal 3.0 source code for $25 more.

    ----------------

    Good Luck, everyone!
                                    Mark J. Welch
                                    P.O. Box 2409
                                    San Francisco, CA 94126



    (tm) GAGS and "Generic Adventure Game System" are  trademarks  of
    Mark J.  Welch.  IBM, IBM PC, and IBM PCjr are trademarks of IBM.
    MS-DOS is a trademark of Microsoft Corp.  Amiga  and  Transformer
    are  trademarks  of Commodore Business Machines.  DEC and Rainbow
    are trademarks of Digital  Equipment  Corp.  Turbo  Pascal  is  a
    trademark of Borland International.

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    Charles Wallace, 13/999

                       Help a Lost Dog Find His Way


    I am the SYSOP of the LOST DOG FIDO  in  Cape  May,  N.J.  and  I
    propose  that  perhaps  the FIDO sysops,  working together can do
    what seemingly can't be done otherwise:

    I priced a "good" brand of GENERIC PC with COLOR  monitor  and  a
    20-Mbyte HD,  5151 Keyboard,  serial,  parallel,C/G,  etc and the
    total price (with 1 year guarentee) was under $2,000.00

    Now I know that Tom Jennings  is  off-line  because  of  a  "disk
    crash"  and that he is "re-building" a system,  but I'm sure that
    the guy is busy.  And he has to work for a  living,  (so  say  we
    all!!).  Now,  I like and use the FIDO system,  got a lot of good
    stuff and met a few nice folks,  try  to  upload  my  share,  and
    frankly, if I had two grand in loose cash, I'd personally send TJ
    a  new  computer.  But if you think about it the way I've thought
    about it, you'd realize that it ain't the money.

    So, to make a long story short, here is what I propose:

    the LOST DOG FUND, c/o IFNA in St. Louis.
        contributors? All interested FIDOUSERS.
        how much?     NO DONATION OVER $5.00!!!

    and we will get TJ back on-line.....

    WHY ONLY $5.00, because there are about 800 nodes in the U.S. amd
    Canada,  plus UNTOLD numbers of fidousers and  if  just  1/2  the
    SYSOPS gave, then we could get TJ his system.  I spoke to the guy
    I get computers from and told him about  it,  he  said  that  for
    however much we collect, he will sell us the MOST SYSTEM with the
    MOST  MEMORY  and DRIVES that our $$$ add up to,  and AT HIS COST
    plus shipping to San Francisco.

    So, we have a dealer who also has a heart, we have $2,000 plus to
    raise, and we have 800 plus contributors to ask.  And WHILE WE'RE
    AT  IT...  if  you  want  to send MORE than $5.00,  then make the
    difference out to the IFNA fellows who do great work for  no  pay
    and little thanks.  Remember,  a FIDO, by itself, is just another
    bulletin board,  and even THAT wouldn't run without the  work  TJ
    did.

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    Fidonews                     Page 15                   9 Jun 1986


    From: Survival Communication Forum, Santa Rosa, CA
          Sysop: Don Kulha, #125/7, BBS: 707-545-0746


         Howdy Folks! I'd like to take a moment here via the FidoNews
    to say hello and introduce our system,  SCF.  Our aim with SCF is
    to   serve   the  members  of  the  survivalist  community  as  a
    communications medium and  spread  the  word  on  the  merits  of
    preparedness to the public at large. We survivalists generally do
    not  fit the media stereotypes you usually see,  indeed may of us
    do not even refer to ourselves as such.  Generally  speaking  our
    goal  is to be prepared for natural and manmade disasters,  along
    with the common day to day  type  of  emergencies,  which  really
    seems prudent doesn't it?

         SCF  has been in continuous operation since January of 1985.
    The system was converted to FIDO about a month ago and we  joined
    the  net as 125/7 just recently.  Our Forum has 15 file areas and
    16  conferences.   Some  of  the  topics  are:   Medicine,  Radio
    Communications,  Independent Energy Systems,  Weaponscraft, Food,
    and  Finance.   We  also  have   hosted   discussion   areas   on
    radio/alternative  energy  and  Survival Viehicle maintenance and
    modification,  plus an online interactive  version  of  the  Game
    "Diplomacy"  to  sharpen  ones  bargaining  skills.  Our Forum is
    constantly changing and growing and you are most welcome to  join
    in  or  stop  by  for  a visit.  We also have a "sister" survival
    system on the East coast,  just getting started,  called  SURCOMM
    which  operates  9pm-8am  EST  at 703-249-5085 (soon to be in the
    net).

         I'd like  to  take  a  moment  here  to  thank  the  Network
    Administrators,  Tom J.  and all of the system operators who have
    built and nurtured the net-without you  we  would  not  have  the
    opportunity  to  join in this truly amazing thing you've spawned.
    I've also been amazed at the open, friendly and helpful manner of
    all the Fido sysops I've contacted,  it's a great feeling to be a
    part  of  this  family.  Special thanks to Butch Walker and Bruce
    Ong.

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                                 COLUMNS
    =================================================================

                            Notes from Abroad


    The modem situation in Europe is very complicated and from Fido's
    point of view much worse then in  the  USA.  V21  and  V23  seems
    fairly  standard,  with  v22 and v22bis modems coming but at high
    prices yet.  Most of your callers will use v21 (300/300 baud)  or
    v23 (1200/75 baud).  If your Fido must serve them your modem must
    autoselect  between  the two modes and adjust accordingly.  There
    the problems arise, most of these so called "dual standard" types
    are incompatible with each other, effectively preventing the mail
    between Fido's while manual  callers  don't  have  any  problems.
    Also  so-called  "Hayes emulators" with v21 and v23 are not quite
    Hayes  (yet)  giving  more  problems  with  the   European   mail
    situation.

    Because  of  these  technical  differences  mailing to some other
    European Fido is quite a jump into the  deep  and  connection  to
    some  Fido's  will  even  be  impossible  to  make.  To cure this
    situation we are strongly supporting the  national  host  scheme,
    with  hosts  taking  care of international mail for the Fido's in
    his/her country.  Between national hosts and between  Europe  and
    the  USA  we  have agreed upon the v22bis system as the standard.
    At the moment Fido's 3101 and 4403 the national hosts for Holland
    and the UK are able to send/receive mail on  this  standard  with
    4601 and 4701 following shortly.  Sending your international mail
    through  this  hosts will costs you less because messages will be
    packed and send at a high baud rate.  There  is  some  accounting
    involved here,  mostly the national host will require you to send
    some money in advance and will deduct the actual  transfers  from
    your  account.  You must contact your national host about this if
    you wish to use this system.  Note  that  for  sending  files  to
    another  country  this  routing will not work and you must either
    play your hand and try to send  it,  or  send  the  file  between
    country hosts.

    Also  there  is  now  a  possibility  that  you  can mail WITHOUT
    actually having a Hayes compatible modem.  You must  request  the
    host to poll you every night and PICKUP your mail.  A simple auto
    answer  modem is then sufficient and the scheme is also very cost
    efficient if you have mail beyond  an  occasional  message  every
    month.  Please  contact  your  country  manager if you wish to be
    "polled".

    In  order  to  accommodate  for  all  kind  of  modems,   and  to
    accommodate  for the mail "pickup" and "distribution" slots,  the
    European time slot must shift to an earlier  hour  to  avoid  the
    distribution slot winding up in high rate hours in, for instance,
    Finland.  Also  some  early  birds  calling  in  will jump in the
    middle of a mail slot.

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                          THE WORLD OF COMPUTING
                       written by Reuven M. Lerner
                             FidoMail 107/233


        It's  been  hectic for me these last few weeks.  With a cold,
    several article deadlines,  and Passover,  there has never been a
    better time for me to speak about multitasking on microcomputers.

        For those of you who don't know,  multitasking is the ability
    to do several things at the same time.  For instance,  if my  DEC
    VT180  was  multitasking,  I could not only do what I'm doing now
    and write this column,  but I could  also  compile  my  last  big
    program.  Mainframes  and  minicomputers  both use multitasking a
    great deal; it's only been very recently that micros have had the
    power to do it.

        One of  the  best-known  (and  best  loved/hated)  multiuser,
    multitasking  operating systems is UNIX.  Developed by Bell Labs,
    it allowed one person to do more than one thing at  a  time,  for
    many  different  users.  There  were  several problems with UNIX,
    though, that restricted its use on micros.

        Memory and storage were the biggest  problem.  The  UNIX  PC,
    put out by AT&T, has a 10-megabyte drive that has nearly one-half
    of its capacity used up just holding the operating system.  Those
    of  us  who  use  CP/M  or  MS-DOS know that the operating system
    usually takes up a negligible 4-20K. 5 megabytes is a little much
    to ask for out of a company that  is  experimenting  with  a  new
    operating system!

        Another  big  problem  of  UNIX  is  that it is what could be
    termed "user-hostile",  being as far away from  user-friendly  as
    possible.  I've never used it myself,  but the different articles
    and books that give examples tell me that most businessmen aren't
    going to want to sit down and learn strange commands just to find
    out what files are on the disk.

        Using Topview and Microsoft  Windows  as  examples,  we  have
    today  limited multitasking for microcomputers.  Both can be used
    on any IBM machine,  but are  used  best  on  the  AT,  with  its
    increased  speed  (now 8MHz,  over 4.77MHz for the PC and XT) and
    better graphics.  The biggest problem, again,  though,  just like
    UNIX, is memory and storage.

        As Personal Computing magazine pointed out in their review of
    Topview,  they  could easily fit 1-2-3 and WordStar and dBase III
    into the AT with Topview,  but then they had about  12K  to  work
    with  total!  Even  with  the EMS (extended memory specification,
    that  allows  you  to  use  up  to   4   Megabytes   more)   from
    Lotus/Intel/Microsoft,  there's  still  not  a lot of room there.
    Yet another problem is that it's slow.  Even  mainframes  perform
    more slowly when they have more terminals on-line;  try loading 5
    programs into your micro and waiting for them!

        So that you IBM fans don't  criticize  me  for  not  speaking
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    about multitasking on other computers,  or the lack thereof, I'll
    tell you that no  other  computer  has  it.  Sure,  the  Mac  has
    Switcher,  and  the  ST series (520 and 1040) have the potential,
    and the Amiga has multitasking but no software to  show  for  it.
    Does  anyone  here  think  that  Apple  II+'s  are  going  to  be
    multitasking soon?  If you ask me,  the new 68000 machines  (ST's
    and Amigas) will have it much sooner than the others.

        If you ask me again,  though,  it may be a while until we get
    true multitasking onto any micro.


      Multicomputers

        I told you once before that I have four computers at home:  a
    DEC  VT180  (on  which  I'm writing this),  a Fountain XT (an IBM
    clone),  a Seicom II+ (an Apple clone),  and  an  Osborne  1.  It
    seems  as  though  I'm  going to need some format-changers pretty
    soon,  since I'm trying to do more and  more  work  on  different
    machines.  One of the biggest problems that I'm beginning to have
    is  with the modem on the DEC,  a Qubie.  Either a chip is loose,
    or its just not working too great,  or  the  Old  Westbury  phone
    lines  are  as bad for computers as they are for humans,  but the
    modem likes to drop carrier a lot.

        Anyway,  what  I  tried  to do a few weeks ago was transfer a
    file from the Fountain to the DEC.  After about an hour of trying
    different  methods,  I  finally  gave  up,  and  in  desperation,
    uploaded the file to my local Fido,  downloaded it onto the other
    machine,  and presto!  All done.  There's got to be a better way.
    Any ideas?


        Software support

        I  just  got off the phone with Borland International several
    hours ago, regarding upgrading my Turbo Pascal to the IBM version
    (with windowing, color graphics,  and the like).  I must say that
    they  are  very  easy  to  deal  with,  and responded quickly and
    courteously to my questions.  If only we had more companies  like
    them  in  the  world.  [Editor's note:  Yeah,  but don't look for
    reviews of their stuff here.  FidoNews doesn't qualify.]

        One thing that I thought was excellent  was  the  quality  of
    support.  It  wasn't an operator who told me that she didn't know
    the answer,  I  got  a  knowledgeable  person  who  could  answer
    everything that I needed.

        For  those of you who are considering doing what I did (trade
    up from CP/M to IBM),  I'll give you the  information  that  they
    gave  me,  so you won't have to call them.  Basically,  you get a
    certain amount of credit  toward  newer  or  different  versions.
    Version  3.0 gives you $39.95,  1.0 and 2.0 are $29.95.  You then
    apply that credit toward the purchase of  a  newer  or  different
    version,  send in a check with your original master diskette, and
    they'll send you back a diskette with the newer version on it.
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        Even though the Borland license is much easier to  understand
    that those of most other companies,  I wasn't sure about if I was
    allowed to keep copies of my old version of Pascal.  If  you  are
    interested  in  knowing,  you  aren't  allowed  to  use  the  old
    diskette.  Actually,  it's  kind  of  easy  to  understand.   The
    license  only  applies  to  the  diskette  that  you have in your
    possession,  and as you send in your original  diskette  and  get
    back  a  new  one,  you only are allowed to use the new one.  Not
    that I had so many programs in CP/M that I wanted to keep,  but I
    wasn't sure if I could still use both of them.

        As  an  unsolicited  plug,  let me say that I advise each and
    every one of you to go out and buy Turbo Pascal within  the  next
    week.  Unless  you have some really weird machine,  they've got a
    version for you,  and unless you would rather program in  another
    language,  it's  the best purchase you'll ever make (I have never
    regretted switching to Pascal as my primary language).


        Hot News!  Hot News! (last-minute update)

        I just found out that Pitney-Bowes is working on a  facsimile
    machine  that will send and receive data using a modem!  Although
    it's still in the  design  stages,  and  won't  be  released  for
    another month or two,  this has the potential to change a lot.  I
    came up with the idea (is anyone from P-B listening?) to use  the
    new Fastlink 10,000+ bps modem,  which would enable Fax documents
    to be transmitted in less than 20 seconds  or  so!  Even  without
    the  Fastlink,  this is an incredible idea,  one which may change
    the face of faxes forever!  I'll keep you people posted with  the
    news as I find it out.


        Next time

        As I said last time,  I know that this is a short column, but
    until I get myself past all of these  different  deadlines  (next
    week  or  so),  and  then an election campaign for my youth group
    (which should be over by the time that you read this),  and  then
    maybe  even writing a few more programs,  they may stay that way.
    Depending on what I'm interested in  next  time,  I  may  discuss
    public-domain software,  the future of BBS', computer English, or
    any of a number of other things.  We'll  see.  Until  next  time,
    happy computing!!


        (c)1986  Reuven M.  Lerner.  All Rights Reserved.  Permission
    is given to copy this column so long as it is for non-profit use.
    If you wish to use it for other than non-profit use, write to the
    author at 21 Old Westbury Road,  Old Westbury,  NY 11568,  or  at
    FidoMail 107/233.

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                                 WANTED
    =================================================================

    James Pallack
    MINDSET FMUG - 16/635

                        Computer Related T-Shirts

    Looking for T-Shirts that are imprinted with  items  relating  to
    computers.  The first order would be a small purchase, but future
    purchases  could  be  in  bulk.  If  you  know of a retail and/or
    wholesale company that deals  in  this  market,  the  information
    would be appreciated.

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                                FOR SALE
    =================================================================

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    popular pencil/paper DOTS game,  has MAGIC  and  HIDDEN  DOT
    options.  KALAH  1.7  is  an African strategy game requiring
    skill to manipulate pegs around a playing board.  Both games
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    For every order placed,  a donation will be made to the Fido
    coordinators!  Also, if you have a previous version of KALAH
    and send me a donation, a portion of that donation will also
    be sent to the coordinators.  When you place  an  order,  BE
    CERTAIN  TO  MENTION  WHERE  YOU  SAW  THE  AD since it also
    appears in PC Magazine and Digital Review.

    Questions and comments can be sent to:

                     Brian Sietz at  Fido 107/17
                     (609) 429-6630    300/1200/2400 baud

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                                 NOTICES
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                         The Interrupt Stack


    14 Jun 1986
       The Next Occasional MetroNet Sysop Meeting, to be held in West
       Milford, New Jersey.  Contact The Wizard at node 107/16 for
       details and directions.

    14 Aug 1986
       Start of the International FidoNet Conference, Colorado
       Springs, Colorado.  Contact George Wing at node 128/13 for
       details.

    24 Aug 1989
       Voyager 2 passes Neptune.


    If you have something which you would like to see on this
    calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1/1.

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    Gruesome George             by Bruce White, 109/612
    +-------------------------------------------------+
    |        Hey, the memory exansion module works!   |
    |_       Now it has twice the memory!             |
    | \                 =====         \               |
    |  \                               \              |
    |   George, you forgot              \             |
    |   to pick up Jimmy at              \    ____\__ |
    |   school again.  I wish             \   |_|  \  |
    |   I could double your             _____      |\ |
    |   memory!        ====            |  _  |     |  |
    |                          ______  | |_| |     |  |
    |                       __(______)_|_____|___  |  |
    |                       ||-----------------||  |  |
    |                ______ ||                 ||  |  |
    |                \ {} / ||                 ||  |  |
    |(c) 1986 bw      \__/  ||-----------------||__|__|
    +-------------------------------------------------+

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    James Pallack, 16/635

                  MINDSET Conference using EchoMail


    I am looking for Fido's around  the  U.S.  that  are  willing  to
    participate in a conference for the MINDSET computer.  This would
    be  using  the EchoMail software and dedicating a message section
    to the conference.
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    If you are interested or am willing to have  this  conference  on
    your  BBS.  Please  contact me via FidoNet at 16/635.  If you are
    interested in participating,  but don't have the  funds  for  the
    service,  please  contact  me anyway.  Arrangements can be worked
    out (e.g. I'll pick up the mail).

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